Time Nick Message 00:32 MTDiscord anyone have an idea why this short code would break the notices? html 00:43 MTDiscord fixed 00:43 MTDiscord merging https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/185 on the hour 01:57 MTDiscord Thanks, will start on changes in an hour or so. As for automated link updates, I think it's more trouble than it's worth right now, wanna focus on getting this categorization done asap as it'll make the site look a LOT more usable 02:24 MTDiscord Any thoughts on moving the repo to Codeberg? Discussion continues at https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=31323&start=25, c55 expressed support for docs moving even without the rest of our repos. Maybe we can lead the way? I'm happy to start this after we finish categorization and spell-checking, not sure we have anything else urgent and it'd be fun research 02:32 MTDiscord Updated https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/184 (Move various files into for-players, updating links as well), opened https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/issues/186 (Categorize pages, part 2: split articles) 02:36 MTDiscord dont feed the trolls 02:43 MTDiscord But... Codeberg is good? 02:44 MTDiscord I may be new to this community, but I am, like, an adult. I'm familiar with trolls, I promise 02:46 MTDiscord there is https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/12324 for the org level to decide 02:48 MTDiscord Well that's on the core repo, I don't think it's clear that that's an "org-level" issue to most readers 02:48 MTDiscord In any case, what are your thoughts on moving just this repo as a bit of a test? 02:48 MTDiscord bo 02:48 MTDiscord Um, no to what? 02:48 MTDiscord thats my thoughts 02:49 MTDiscord that's not very helpful. 02:49 MTDiscord can we communicate in good faith, please? 02:49 MTDiscord let the org decide what it wants to do, we have enough to do with content as it is now 02:50 MTDiscord who is "the org"?? are we not decision makers? Would they magically stop us if we tried to move to Codeberg? I'm confused 02:51 MTDiscord and github is fine, its not hostile glances at gitlab, and despite what people scream about microsoft, it aint bad. sure it isnt great that github isnt open source, but im fairly sure that even certain people who are die hard foss zealots dont use all open source stuff 02:51 MTDiscord luanti core devs/staff/etc 02:52 MTDiscord Hmm, if only we had a team page clarifying how all this works 😉 02:53 MTDiscord yeah, GH is fine, but a good number of people clearly want codeberg/something else by the endless discussion on https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/12324. It does seem weird to host code to an open-source game on a closed-source platform, as popular as that platform may be 02:54 MTDiscord i mean, the large majority of open source projects are on github 02:55 MTDiscord Yeah, and that seems kinda weird the more I think about it 02:57 MTDiscord network effect, good platform, etc 03:01 MTDiscord Oh yeah, I know why they use it. Honestly I still don't daily-drive any Linux distro because they've all been sorely disappointing even after a week of research and configuration. "Skill issue" some say, but I say you shouldn't need skills to configure a system... anyway, the point is I use the best software for the job, but sometimes I make compromises if open-source is good enough. And I don't think we can know that until we try, 03:01 MTDiscord honestly, or at least do significant good-faith research. That said, I do recognize that moving will be significantly difficult and there will be lots of little things to look out for. It's high effort for relatively low reward compared to, say, fixing the 1,000+ typos, organizing the site, adding more articles, etc. But it's something to consider, so I wanted to bring it up 03:02 MTDiscord its already been brought up, your just rehashing it again tbh 03:04 MTDiscord > And I don't think we can know that until we try, honestly, or at least do significant good-faith research. wsor's point is that it's an organization-level responsibility to do that research. Fragmenting our project is not good. We are already trailing codeberg with lighter low-influence sections of the project, and if its found to be adequate, I would hope repos move in bulk. But that is not something to do right now, especially 03:04 MTDiscord for a project that hasn't even completed its initial milestones. 03:04 MTDiscord fair enough to both, happy to drop it, just wanted to get some initial thoughts 🙂 03:05 MTDiscord yeah, i more worried about the flames you rekindled over on the forum thread tbh 03:05 MTDiscord It's not worth being concerned about either way. 03:06 MTDiscord Zealots gonna zealot. 03:08 MTDiscord on the more organizational view, before a move is decided, its probably better to do a mirror first if go ahead is decided. but then again, glances at gitlab 03:08 MTDiscord anyways, make any progress with your lfs testing mark? 03:12 MTDiscord LFS? Yeah current status is "LFS bad" lol. The problem is that any contributor would need to host their files somewhere before opening a PR, and then we'd have to somehow review them and then integrate them into our LFS instance. And it's a TON of configuration. So no, let's not use LFS. If folks want to add a link to an external video, they can open a PR that does that. If we see the video and think it'd be best hosted in 03:12 MTDiscord samsinventory, we can work with the contributor. Seems like the most natural flow anyway 🙂 You'll notice I didn't even create an issue for "use LFS to host files" because I became hesitant pretty quickly about whether it was a good idea 03:13 MTDiscord If engaging with the community in good faith is worrying, I don't know how well we're going to get along :/ yeah, I'm new, and probably naive, but I don't ever want folks to feel ignored, even if they've been saying the same thing to others for 3+ years (according to the GH issue). If there is some "docs team policy" on whether or not to "make statements on behalf of the docs team on the forum" I'm all ears, but my comments are 03:13 MTDiscord always my own. 03:15 MTDiscord https://discord.com/channels/369122544273588224/926231483155378176/1339070210103054398 dont need to poor fuel on the fire 03:17 MTDiscord I don't think that's a fair description of what I'm doing. I'm talking to people. They're people. 03:17 MTDiscord your entitled to our own opinion 03:18 MTDiscord anyways, back to file stuff, going to take a poke around this weekend and see if there are any simple file web guis, or whatever you want to call it that might meet our needs 03:19 MTDiscord To allow others to upload large files? 03:19 MTDiscord otherwise might take a page from lmds book and write my owns for kicks 03:19 MTDiscord -docs members 03:19 MTDiscord does this mean "to allow only docs members to upload large files"? If so, why not use Discord? 03:20 MTDiscord ah there is a file size on Discord, duh 03:20 MTDiscord .....da heck? 03:20 MTDiscord ? 03:21 MTDiscord such a left field to suggest hosting files for the project on discord of all things, let alone after your just on the open source all the things thread 03:21 MTDiscord no not hosting 03:21 MTDiscord I meant like you have docs folks upload files to Discord and then you copy them to your server 03:21 MTDiscord but I guess your goal is to allow folks to upload directly to the server, only challenge is validating that files, but I guess you'll trust those who have access to the upload thing? makes sense 03:22 MTDiscord sure, they can send them to me however they wan 03:22 MTDiscord yeah 03:23 MTDiscord at least let me frame it as current active -docs members. (so luatic, roller, me, you, green) 03:24 MTDiscord at least initially just want password protected login + file upload page + zip output of uploaded pages for anyone to backup 13:31 MTDiscord tbh it's no bed of roses either :juanchi_face: 13:31 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/926231483155378176/1339227280131625020/SPOILER_Screenshot_from_2025-02-12_14-30-44.png?ex=67adf419&is=67aca299&hm=c194bbfb5b87fc0bf773dc3844475d78835a99142ad836a2168dc1de65e0245a& 13:40 MTDiscord mf did an everyone ping in codeberg 13:47 MTDiscord Haha I'm sure Codeberg has some pretty significant flaws. What I meant there was more "I'm not feeding the trolls, I'm looking into a maybe-viable open-source alternative to our current toolset", just didn't have the energy at the moment 😉 13:47 MTDiscord Merging https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/184#issue-comment-box, move items to for-players, in ~15 minutes 13:48 MTDiscord as far as i'm concerned, that issue primarily concerns the engine repo indeed 13:48 MTDiscord fwiw i wouldn't have a problem with luanti docs moving to codeberg, but i get that we might not want the fragmentation yet 13:52 MTDiscord it doesn't seem all that weird to me tbh. i frankly find the foss zealotry of "everything must be FOSS" weirder. hosting is naturally sort of at the intersection between "has to cost money" and "can be free (software)". 13:53 MTDiscord That's fair, again I'm still relatively new to foss zealotry so I'm thinking about it a lot and refining my opinions day-by-day. You'll see I still don't daily-drive linux because foss is good but working software is gooder :/ 13:54 MTDiscord in all fairness, didn't you try the edgier linux distros? something like fedora or ubuntu should work out of the box :p 13:59 MTDiscord I used Linux Mint and struggled for a while to get clipboard history working 14:00 MTDiscord The fact that I need to know about window managers vs desktop environments just to configure a keyboard shortcut is absolutely wild to me. The idea that grandmas will ever use Linux is crazy given the current state of things. I know there is a famous grandma linux user but something tells me she's an exception 14:09 MTDiscord Merged #184, looking forward to updating for-creators tonight or tmrw 🙂