Time Nick Message 02:09 MTDiscord forwarding this here at wsor's suggestion 02:12 MTDiscord im not sure what can be said other than turn on brain, read, see link to stacktraces concept, but if you can come up with something, open to it 02:13 MTDiscord i mean, at the very least it could be something in a faq type form 02:15 MTDiscord and to continue, I have to admit some of the error messages seem a little obtuse or broad, like the very common "attempt to index/concatenate/whatever global 'name' (a nil value)" which usually means the variable name's mistyped or not declared earlier, as compared to that with "local" where it's actually nil; or the fact that builtin often throws exceptions and then you have to look several lines down to find where the actual 02:15 MTDiscord problem is. 02:16 MTDiscord of course these are all sensible, but may not make so much sense when you're new 02:19 MTDiscord in particular they often seem to entirely ignore the filepaths in the traceback and the error message, and make assumptions about what's erroring and where, rather than just looking at it and seeing what the immediate cause of the error is 02:20 MTDiscord which I think is because the wall of text from the traceback is confusing, and potentially so is the matter of going from the immediate cause to the actual problem that needs changing 02:21 MTDiscord as I said, this is stuff that you get used to and understand easily when you're experienced with programming in Lua and Luanti, I just think it would be useful for newer modders 02:23 MTDiscord I'm sure there's things about this for debugging in general, or in Lua generally, but Luanti's error messages especially from builtin or C++ functions do have some quirks as well 15:57 MTDiscord Always happy to read drafts 🙂 19:27 rubenwardy if you change a URL, please provide a redirect 19:28 rubenwardy for example, Releasing_Minetest -> engine-dev-process/releasing-luanti/ 19:29 rubenwardy okay looks like you did do this for the main pages 20:08 celeron55 by the way, a reminder about SEO: we want to have a mention of the name "minetest" on as many pages as possible, in order to maintain search engine rankings of that name. otherwise there are many takers for the old name that we definitely don't want to give it to 21:51 MTDiscord Is there a way we can include keywords without showing them? 21:56 MTDiscord IIRC there are metadata tags you can put in website heads and such that do that. Whether search engines use them or not is harder to say; they often have their own ideas about these things. 21:57 MTDiscord Having websites that are about "minetest" linking TO luanti sites will generally help reinforce the relationship though. Modern search engines are a little wary about trusting the info your site offers about itself. 21:57 MTDiscord We could add (formerly Minetest) spans after every mention of Luanti with an invisible style 21:58 MTDiscord Invisible style is a good way to make sure that only the dumbest search engines pick it up 😄 21:58 MTDiscord Maybe font size 0 then 21:58 MTDiscord Turn minetest.net into a Minetest Game website 21:58 MTDiscord (and link to Luanti stuff) 21:59 MTDiscord Yeah, IMO that's not a bad notion ... at least, if anyone wants to put any time into MTG stuff at all... 22:09 MTDiscord they do, if you focus on the modding community, where the action is