Time Nick Message 04:16 MTDiscord 👆 and also point them onto installing mods 04:18 MTDiscord merging https://github.com/luanti-org/docs.luanti.org/pull/305 in 5 17:32 MTDiscord ive had some more thoughts about setup. 99% of people are going to be doing this on linux, so via a plugin or something, what if we had details element that are default open for linux bits, and default closed for windows bits 17:33 MTDiscord alternative is making the current one a router page with each os being its own subpage 17:34 MTDiscord it might actually be better to do that 17:35 MTDiscord @mark.wiemer since you orginally did the menu/nesting jazz, and objections to for-server-hosts/setup/ being a landing page and then linking to for-server-hosts/setup/windows, for-server-hosts/setup/linux, for-server-hosts/setup/truenas, etc for example? 17:36 MTDiscord also cc @rollerozxa as your the orginal author iirc? 17:41 MTDiscord yes splitting the page up in some form would probably be good. it's quite long at this point 17:42 MTDiscord if splitting it up, the only part im semi concerned about is external-and-internal-ips since it does have some per platofrm stuff, but also most sane people on vps arent going to care 17:43 MTDiscord yeah I assume we're gonna split it up into one for linux that assumes a cloud server in a datacenter, and one for windows that assumes a residential internet connection 17:44 MTDiscord i mean, i guess there isnt a reason that we couldn't just move the ip stuff to for-server-hosts/what-is-my-ip or something and have it on the router page 17:44 MTDiscord yes, that would be useful 17:44 MTDiscord also for the CGNAT checking stuff 17:45 MTDiscord yeah, overarching i kinda want to make setting up a server a more "guided" process for dummies 17:45 MTDiscord and part of that is being able to skip unrelatedto you parts so that you dont get confused 17:47 MTDiscord yeah 17:47 MTDiscord i wonder if we should have a installing mods for server hosts article 17:48 MTDiscord but to that would probably need to strip some of the more technical stuff out of the for players. which might make sense and could link to the new one saying for technical/more details, see .... but the installing mods for players be more a gui /mods only thing 17:49 MTDiscord i think thats a future issue, and to just link to the existing one for now as to not make one huge change at once 21:01 wsor4035 Krock ^ 21:03 Krock "with each os being its own subpage" you'd then have to remember to update all of them, whereas having it in the same paragraph or chapter would make it more obvious on what needs to be changed. (since it's all together) 21:04 MTDiscord everything is tradeoffs 21:04 MTDiscord and the idea of a landing page is that most of the common stuff is all there negating that 21:05 MTDiscord while the subpages are for specific to that platform 21:05 MTDiscord and are for the various sections losely grouped to headers anyways 21:06 MTDiscord also ironically we call out macos for one minor thing in the page atm, but then nothing else 21:07 Krock Side thought: Aren't there also servers running in Docker? It seems to me that a link to https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/blob/master/doc/docker_server.md is missing somewhere in that region. 21:07 MTDiscord yes, and docker could be its own "platform" 21:07 MTDiscord already thought about it some even if i didnt post here on it 21:08 MTDiscord (edit to "platform" subpage - since irc is stuck in the dark ages) 21:09 MTDiscord tho it is a bit of a mess since docker technically runs on the other platforms, but if its kept to the docker bits than should be fine 21:09 MTDiscord at least for now, docker is just running on a linux vm on all platforms, tho that might change in the future with apples containers 21:10 MTDiscord but im going offtopic 21:10 Krock and I presume your ping was in regard to my comment on your PR? I gather from it that the page would likely undergo refactoring. 21:10 MTDiscord yes, the 3 lines above specifically - but note thats more of a phase 2 to server page improvements than a part of it 21:11 Krock alright. Thanks. 21:11 MTDiscord to expand, i was thinking more of promoting the worldmods to server people, but then it gets dicy because users may be interested in worldmods as a part of packaging a all in one world to share with others 21:12 MTDiscord avoid duplicating information and such 21:12 Krock I think it would be best to show up a few options, and then let the user decide on what they want in the end. There's no single solution that works for everyone. 21:12 MTDiscord but if making the install a server page more of a complete experience/guide, we would want to point them to something for setting up games/mods, but gui stuff is all irellevant to server people whereas gui is highly for users 21:17 Krock "setting up games/mods" is again a topic that could either be split into two (server | GUI) or kept in one page (separate headings). The "one page" approach could help tech-savvy people to understand what's happening under the hood, whereas the server part would only confuse regular users. Well idk. 21:22 Krock Ah. Your edited message did not show up on my end. That explains things. 21:24 MTDiscord anyways, what we are discussing is more a phase 2, havent really come to any firm ideas/silver bullets. for now phase 1 which ill probably do tonight is more so per platform subpages and maybe shilling remote media/placeholder link to players mod page 21:26 MTDiscord mostly making a point of remote media since luantis network transfer for media is trash 21:26 MTDiscord (reference to previous ctf discussion in general for the discord users)