Time  Nick             Message
05:20 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> Lvae updated 3 years ago...
05:21 whosit           somehow managed to crash menu: https://pastebin.com/29XbGzdc
05:22 whosit           and I can't start single player game anymore...
05:22 whosit           well, can't host
05:22 whosit           wait...
05:22 MTDiscord        <greenxenith> Bracket: There isnt a ton to update, but yes, it isnt a high priority for me
05:23 MTDiscord        <greenxenith> Feel free to contribute
05:23 whosit           ok, please ignore that, it was because I recompiled luanti and didn't restart it :)
05:23 whosit           (or seems to be the likely cause...)
09:04 [MatrxMT]        <Blockhead256> proof once again that you should periodically push tiny updates to your stuff to make sure people don't think it's out of date
09:04 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> Blockhead: atleast you are looking at it then
10:54 [MatrxMT]        <Blockhead256> The Luanti logo and the Minetest Game menu logo are still the same. Discuss.
10:54 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> I think it became luanti, ni?
10:54 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> no*
10:57 ireallyhateirc   MTG could get a dumpster icon or something
11:02 dibesfer         yeah change the logo please
11:03 dibesfer         either luanti's or minetest's but i think current logo clearly represents minetest the best right now
11:48 [MatrxMT]        <Blockhead256> Bracket: The point is, isn't it a bit weird to have the logo of the whole engine on one game when you're in the main menu selecting games?
11:48 [MatrxMT]        <Blockhead256> I was actually thinking the castle or something maybe https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?p=437552#p437552
11:48 [MatrxMT]        <Blockhead256> or maybe the mese pickaxe
11:48 [MatrxMT]        <Blockhead256> I like how Hades Revisited has a barren version
11:48 [MatrxMT]        <Blockhead256> as for mod soups, mesecraft uses a mese crystal and dreambuilder uses a house
11:48 [MatrxMT]        <Blockhead256> something about the purpose/main playstyle of the games in embedded in the icon
11:48 [MatrxMT]        <Blockhead256> maybe a mese pickaxe and an open ended spanner for MTG, because it's about tinkering
11:48 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> I like the icon, it shoukd stay the engine icon, however it shows more about MTG than luanti
11:51 dibesfer         however the core team considered the banner most prioritary
11:52 dibesfer         and they close issues about the logo
11:52 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:00 dibesfer         ¿_¿
13:33 SliverFlowCipher dibesfer
13:37 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> What?
13:37 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> is a9
13:38 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> kh
13:38 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> oh*
14:07 MinetestBot      02[git] 04grorp -> 03luanti-org/luanti: lua_api.md: More info in LBM run_at_every_load documentation (#15956) 137dbd3a0 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/7dbd3a0744e5ac4f72e812b0ac8ba2459a053520 (152025-04-02T14:05:23Z)
20:07 gildarts         Hello all. Had a couple questions if this is the right place for that. I'm looking at setting up a server instance for my children and their friends to use. I'd like to restrict or remove the ability for the client to join any public servers. More or less I'd like to restrict it to servers that I'm running. The children in question are < 10 and we are taking the better save than sorry approach with online social interaction.
20:08 gildarts         I'm fairly familiar with Docker, etc, so that part doesn't scare me, but I'm thinking I'll have to patch the client to actually put in a restriction like that?
20:08 gildarts         And if I'm hosting my own private/isolated instance, do I need to host my own contentDB?
20:10 jonadab          You can't just block outgoing connections to the relevant ports at the firewall level?
20:10 jonadab          (And thus limit things to the local network only...)
20:11 gildarts         That would be an option if I wasn't trying to let their friends connect to the server when they aren't at my house.
20:11 jonadab          Ah.
20:11 jonadab          And these are kids, so VPN is an overly baroque solution.
20:11 gildarts         Though I guess I could setup a VPN... but that is another kettle of fish.
20:12 jonadab          One issue with modifying the client so it can't connect to public servers, is you have to tell it how to decide what servers are _public_ servers and what servers are your acceptable local one(s).
20:13 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> don't give them internet access...
20:13 jonadab          That breaks the "playing on the same private server from multiple households" thing.  Badly.
20:14 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> hnm
20:14 [MatrxMT]        <y5nw> You can probably put a "soft" restriction by using a custom mainmenu (-> main_menu_script setting) that only asks for the username and password. Although this can go wrong in quite some ways
20:14 gildarts         One option I think I saw online when I was searching around was to change the URL the client hit to find public servers to something that I run and just add my own server(s) to it. That way the client can't pull in the public servers, it will just see mine.
20:14 jonadab          Giving it a different URL to check for the server _list_ and publishing your own server list, might be good enough?  It doesn't *prevent* them from typing in the address of a known public server.  But it prevents them beign suggested.
20:15 jonadab          Ah, yeah, beat me to it.
20:15 rubenwardy       you can also set the setting to nothing to disable the server lsit
20:15 gildarts         Yeah, I'm not worried about them finding random servers other than what shows up on the list.
20:15 jonadab          Disable the server list, and it'll just remember the most recent one, which is yours?
20:16 gildarts         They aren't browsing around the internet and finding that kind of thing at this point. A worry for the future.
20:16 sfan5            yeah you can replace serverlist_url with an url pointing to a static list
20:16 sfan5            or just disable it entirely
20:16 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> What if they reinstall luanti?
20:16 gildarts         Great! I already have a static site I can host the file on.
20:17 gildarts         Bracket: They don't have admin rights at this point. Again a future me problem. :)
20:17 jonadab          To reinstall, wouldn't they need to root the computer?  Or does luanti distribute install-by-extracting-this-dumb-zipfile binaries?
20:18 [MatrxMT]        <y5nw> The Windows releases are run-in-place zip files
20:18 jonadab          And yeah, if they're at that level of sysadmin aptitude, you should be actively encouraging them to learn sysadmin stuff :-)\
20:18 gildarts         Not sure... macOS is a zip, iirc.
20:19 jonadab          Windows is basically impossible to lock down properly, just in general.  For so many reasons.
20:19 gildarts         I might look into building a custom package anyway with the URL set so it is easier to give to their friends anyway.
20:20 gildarts         I've been playing with it on my laptop and the children are really wanting to be able to do their own thing with it, but I wanted to make sure I had it at least a little locked down first.
20:20 jonadab          (Well, on its own; if you PXE-boot it from a terminal server, or spring for Deep Freeze, then there's more you can do.  But for household purposes, that's way overkill, just get Devuan or something.)
20:21 jonadab          I think giving them their own server, that they can share with friends, is a good idea at least to start with.
20:21 sfan5            you could also block servers.minetest.net and servers.luanti.org on a DNS level for your home network
20:22 gildarts         My wife and children pretty much only use macOS at this point. Pretty sure I'll be able to lock it down enough that they can't break it, but will see.
20:23 MTDiscord        <luatic> if they're using macOS, they're already locked down ;-)
20:23 gildarts         jonadab: Yeah, I don't really want to have to explain the concept of griefers, trolls, etc to them yet.
20:24 jonadab          Hah, indeed.
20:24 jonadab          I mean, _eventually_ it has to come up, but not when they're six.
20:24 gildarts         luatic: too a point. You can still run whatever you want, but have to jump through some hoops. These days I'm running all three desktop OSs to some degree and getting ever closer to just jumping full time to Linux.
20:25 gildarts         Yeah, hard to exist on the internet without running into it eventually.
20:26 jonadab          Ideally, you want their first experience with griefers to *not* also be their first experience with the game.
20:27 gildarts         True
20:29 gildarts         (I already give my children enough grief beating them at Mario Kart >:] )
20:30 MTDiscord        <luatic> is supertuxkart actually comparable?
20:30 MTDiscord        <luatic> i must confess i have hardly played either game
20:31 jonadab          The only Mario Kart I've ever played is the Wii version, and I confess that I can't really imagine the game working without the wiimote.
20:31 jonadab          Intellectually, I know that other iterations of the game have existed, but I don't really understand how they would be the same experience at all.
20:32 gildarts         Haven't tried that version. I skipped the Wii versions. Only played the N64 and earlier and Switch versions.
20:44 MTDiscord        <greenxenith> > is supertuxkart actually comparable? Not even in the same universe.
20:46 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> I think super mario deluxe 8 is WAY better than supertuxkart, but, they have money and better graphics
20:46 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> supertuxkart has story
20:47 MTDiscord        <greenxenith> supertuxkart may be better than Super Mario Kart (the bar is low, has hardware advantage), possibly the same graphical fidelity as MK64 ... but Double Dash beats it immediately, Wii was an even larger improvement on the formula, MK7 was the experiment to see if MK8 would work, MK8 blows every fantasy racing game out of the water, MK8 Deluxe carried the legacy by implementing a hundred tracks, and Mario Kart World looks like it will
20:47 MTDiscord        (somehow, yet again) take it to another level
20:48 MTDiscord        <greenxenith> ... I play a lot of Mario Kart
20:48 sfan5            hope you're content with spending 90€ for the next game ;)
20:49 jonadab          If he plays that much of it, he can probably spring for it.
20:49 MTDiscord        <greenxenith> It only costs $50USD bundled with the system
20:50 jonadab          My problem with proprietary games in most cases is that you can't fix problems with them (especially UI issues, which tend to abound), but I will say that my experiences with Mario Kart Wii were generally positive.
20:50 MTDiscord        <greenxenith> Not that I am super enthused that the system costs $450 in the first place, but oh well. The games are worth it.
20:51 jonadab          I tend to play a small number of games, with very high replayability.
20:51 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> How does a pallette work?
22:02 MTDiscord        <wsor4035> https://tenor.com/view/ship-water-sea-night-gif-18536963
22:04 cheapie          luatic: FWIW I find STK to be pretty good (aside from that @#*$%&@*$&@ menu music), not as polished as Mario Kart Wii (the only MK game I've ever played) but that one was also *over*polished IMO
22:15 cheapie          Speaking of which, is there a way to turn off the menu music for VoxeLibre? I have a copy of that around here for testing things and it always catches me off-guard whenever I click on that
22:16 cheapie          On one hand at least it gradually fades in instead of instantly going to "horrid noises and way too loud" like STK's menu music does, but on the other hand in STK I'm at least *expecting* there to be music
22:17 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> cheapie: just delete the music file
22:17 cheapie          If I do that it'll just end up back there again next time it updates
22:21 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> cheapie: https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/blob/master/builtin/mainmenu/game_theme.lua
22:21 cheapie          What about it?
22:21 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> you could replace set music with a empty function
22:22 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> no music would play, if im correct
22:22 cheapie          I already have to apply custom patches to my client when I update to remove other user-hostile stuff, I guess I can add more :/
22:22 exoticalexo      Does Luanti not support the // operator because it’s erroring out: “unexpected symbol near ‘/‘“
22:23 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> like integer division?
22:23 exoticalexo      for equal dvision
22:23 exoticalexo      Like 10//3=3
22:23 cheapie          Is there any version of Lua that supports //? I can't find it in any docs anywhere
22:24 cheapie          For integer division the usual answer is math.floor(a/b)
22:24 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> maybe math.floor(10/3)
22:24 [MatrxMT]        <Bracket> too late
22:24 exoticalexo      ok