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08:36 MinetestBot 02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03luanti-org/luanti: minetest.conf.example: Document short setting name as fallback (#16313) 137e22c72 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/7e22c72492bfb8224923b1d10dc99774c3aa4eed (152025-07-09T08:35:41Z)
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08:36 MinetestBot 02[git] 04TheEt1234 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Clarify some documentation (#16301) 13e0f8243 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/e0f82436291023edf71c0ee65ecb94d6bbd34922 (152025-07-09T08:36:02Z)
08:42 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfence -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Add persistent unique identifiers for objects (#14135) 134f42b43 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/4f42b4308c142126b56923f2e9ec45444bf2ba3a (152025-07-09T08:40:26Z)
15:47 pgimeno     just caught up with the backlog and I have to say to celeron: you seem to have some misconceptions about IRC. IRC servers can (an probably do) log user messages, including PMs. The only thing in that may escape surveillance by a server owner is DCC chat, which rarely works nowadays anyway unless purposefully set up. What's nice about IRC is that "probably libera.chat is not evil", and that being a standard protocol, you have other server options if you
15:47 pgimeno     lose trust in one (like what happened with FreeNode).
15:48 pgimeno     The only thing in that -> -in
15:49 celeron55   the server can log the messages, that's obvious. but they really have no reason to do so. they can't use the messages for their gain because users would absolutely riot if they did that. an irc server is, as the name says, only a relay, not a database
15:51 pgimeno     I bet there is logging - that's how they can investigate incidents, among other things. I doubt there would be any riot if that's found out, especially looking at how many people are happy using discord/whatsapp/etc.
15:55 celeron55   having some history for moderation of course makes sense and everyone likes effective moderation. but storing them for years would be liability. i wouldn't, if i ran a server which hosts a protocol that technically allows deleting history without affecting users
15:56 sfan5       IIRC a while ago when there was a spambot wave Libera specifically announced that they would apply automated filters to certain PMs sent on IRC, which implies they weren't doing any filtering or storage before
15:56 sfan5       no way to confirm this of course
15:56 sfan5       but the liability argument holds a lot of value
16:23 Ingar       than there was this IRC server owner who patched it to dump all private messages in a channel
21:01 jonadab     Last I heard, Libera chat network policy was that publicly logged channels should include a note about being publicly logged in the /topic message.
21:01 jonadab     But I don't know how rigorously that's enforced.
21:01 jonadab     More of a "this is what you _should_ do" guideline, I think.
21:03 jonadab     Anyway, if you're sufficiently technically inclined to be paranoid about data security, you should assume that some of the users in the channel probably have private logs, and you don't know how careful they are about keeping them private.
22:02 MTDiscord   <theidealist> of course for these channels the whole thing is publicly logged on discord
23:13 cheapie     sfan5: FWIW I've been told it's possible to opt out of that filtering by setting user mode +u (on the receiving end). Of course I can't confirm that that works either.