Time Nick Message 00:41 bgstack15 Does anybody have any reference material for how to derive rgb from the VoxeLibre dye colors? I find the whole mcl_dye content baffling. 02:02 repetitivestrain sfan5: regarding: 02:02 repetitivestrain const BlockMakeData *data. Access to a variable should only be granted as much as needed. 02:02 repetitivestrain the compiler can easily infer that data is never altered in this context. 02:03 repetitivestrain and: 02:03 repetitivestrain Shouldn't v3s16 extra_borders(1, 1, 1); (possibly as constexpr static variable) be used here? Otherwise it is not clear whether there's always one refDrop for each refGrab. 02:03 repetitivestrain i think the relationship between extra_borders and the loops in finishBlockMake and cancelBlockMake is quite manifest 02:03 repetitivestrain Also, is smalljoker in this channel? 02:14 MTDiscord just dropping in to confirm that I have been seeing the "couldn't grab block we generated" message now and then since like forever both in "normal" mcla mapgen and lua mapgens 02:14 MTDiscord it's definitely a thing 02:43 MTDiscord cora is responding to > The engine repetitiously generating chunks that have already been reported to register_on_generated callbacks after "couldn't grab block we just generated" 08:29 sfan5 repetitivestrain: why are you pinging me to respond to a review comment that isn't even mine? 08:29 repetitivestrain sfan5: i cannot find the author of those comments in this channel 08:29 sfan5 that's not my problem 08:30 sfan5 also his nick on IRC is Krock 08:30 repetitivestrain well long story short i'm approaching the only person i know who is regularly here and a minetest developer to boot 08:30 repetitivestrain but okay 08:30 repetitivestrain i'll bear that in mind 10:11 [MatrxMT] the matrix name for #minetest-irc:matrix.org is "minetest irc" which is outdated 10:12 [MatrxMT] it kinda suggests that this is only for versions 5.9.0 and below (okay that's not really an issue) 10:24 [MatrxMT] luantirc 14:41 pgimeno are there any plans to ban UK users from the forum? 14:42 sfan5 i don't think so 14:44 pgimeno has there been any discussion on the new UK online safety act? 14:44 [MatrxMT] rubenwardy is aware 14:44 sfan5 internally, yes 14:45 rubenwardy ContentDB is complying with the UK OSA 14:45 rubenwardy I am not responsible for other services 14:45 rubenwardy They may need to block UK users 14:46 pgimeno ok, I saw this and was concerned: https://blog.janitorai.com/posts/3/ - apparently it's very difficult for something like a forum to comply 14:47 [MatrxMT] the forum is in another country, or do I recall something that says anything that can be used used by UK users is bound to it? 14:47 sfan5 ah yeah right the discussion was about CDB 14:47 rubenwardy The OSA applies to all websites worldwide. But if it's hosted outside the UK, the only enforcement they can do is blocking the site 14:48 pgimeno in that post they talk about criminal liability 14:48 MTDiscord We don't intend to ban UK users from any of our services, but we can't control how things go the other way around. 14:48 [MatrxMT] do they really want to take celeron55 to court? 14:48 rubenwardy Yes I have criminal liability if ContentDB doesn't follow the OSA 14:49 rubenwardy It was a lot of work to do ContentDB. The forum has private messaging which is quite a concerning feature 14:49 [MatrxMT] the absolute nanny state of the UK. Not a good nanny either, the spiteful type 14:50 rubenwardy I'd be a little concerned that they might try to hold me responsible for the forums even though I don't administer them, purely due to being a UK luanti staff member 14:51 [MatrxMT] does the scope of it cover forum PMs? 14:51 rubenwardy Yes 14:51 rubenwardy That's a big risk factor and would result in a higher risk rating 14:51 celeron55 phpbb is super annoying in this. it doesn't even have a mode where users could only PM moderators 14:51 celeron55 PMs are either on or off 14:52 [MatrxMT] yeah I unfortunately can't say I'm surprised with phpBB 14:52 celeron55 phpbb needs to be thrown in the trash and burned 14:52 celeron55 it's not for the modern world 14:52 rubenwardy Ihere's the forum post where I announced CDB OSA compliance: https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=31431 14:52 MTDiscord The main use case for PMs is being able to reach moderators, right? I suppose you can't just turn them off because users may need to be able to contact you privately and can't necessarily use a different mdium 14:52 rubenwardy a key resource is this site: https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk/ 14:53 MTDiscord tbh the whole thing seems like a good reason to reconsider having extradition treaties with the UK. 14:55 celeron55 i definitely don't want minors to be sending or responding to PMs on the forums. this is completely unrelated to the UK 14:55 rubenwardy let's not act all high and mighty, there are masked men kidnapping people off the streets in the US and sending them to concentration camps and bad prisons in other countries 14:55 celeron55 it's just that i literally can't set up that restriction 14:55 celeron55 so i'm just wishing everyone good luck 14:56 [MatrxMT] we could consider turning PMs off 14:56 celeron55 i suppose I could ask an LLM to implement that to phpbb for me 14:56 celeron55 and stop updating phpbb 14:56 rubenwardy Yeah, and rely on emails to communicate with moderators 14:56 [MatrxMT] there are only two dozen other platforms to contact people on 14:57 pgimeno celeron55: what about migrating to a forum that allows importing phpBB, like MyBB? 14:57 celeron55 if you're requesting me to do disable PMs on the forum, i'll do it right away 14:57 celeron55 please confirm 14:57 rubenwardy This would make the OSA assessment slightly easier but that only matters if you intend to do the OSA assessment 14:59 celeron55 i don't have any hope of passing it with phpbb regardless of anything 14:59 celeron55 so no, i'm only doing my own assesment 14:59 celeron55 assessment* 15:00 pgimeno there's this in case UK users are interested: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903 15:00 celeron55 pgimeno: do you have a magic wand? because it'd be great if the forum just migrated to something better just like that 15:00 celeron55 the one thing i hate more than phpbb is migrating web stuff 15:01 rubenwardy yeah there would be some required things to implement after the assessment. Like reporting needs (1) upfront time frame (2) info on who sees reports (3) the ability to keep up to date with a report and be informed on its conclusion 15:02 celeron55 i'll just start unchecking forum features one by one every month and finally when there are no features left i'll ask someone to scrape up the content before i switch it off? 15:02 celeron55 the LLM fork of phpbb sounds somewhat fun though 15:03 rubenwardy I feel like that's the true aim of OSA 15:03 celeron55 maybe i need to test it 15:03 rubenwardy big tech love regulation because it increases the barriers of entry 15:03 rubenwardy everyone will end up on Discord rather than running community forums 15:03 celeron55 definitely 15:03 [MatrxMT] get in contact with the 1700 regular "users", I'm sure they have several complete copies 15:03 pgimeno celeron55: well I offer myself with checking the viability of the migration and if it's viable, to help perform it (if I'm given access) 15:05 pgimeno just let me know if I should try, or that's a no go 15:05 celeron55 pgimeno: i think checking the viability of the migration would be a good service to the community 15:06 pgimeno okay 15:41 rubenwardy although if the forums is constantly 502 then it doesn't need to comply with the OSA 16:12 MTDiscord haha 16:23 MTDiscord what does mybb tangably have over phpbb? from some googling it looks like ui/ux changes, and the ecosystem of plugins arent? compatible 17:00 pgimeno I'll tell you when I check phpBB, finishing installation right now, but yeah, the plugins aren't compatible 17:02 pgimeno I believe the admin control parent is much more powerful in myBB 17:02 pgimeno panel* 17:04 celeron55 phpbb doesn't have many useful up-to-date plugins so the plugin system isn't of any value 17:18 celeron55 thttps://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_e4fae120-b667-4240-acbb-5d0c8cb9b174 17:18 celeron55 * https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_e4fae120-b667-4240-acbb-5d0c8cb9b174 17:18 celeron55 it's pretty interesting what LLM can do these days 17:19 MTDiscord isnt reporting on the forum still broken? lol 17:20 [MatrxMT] the forum is broken, but if you know the special sauce, you can send it to the right URI 17:20 [MatrxMT] *the form 17:20 MTDiscord that broke when we fixed some other thing 17:33 bgstack15 Pleas don't get rid of the forum. I realize you might want to change backends, but I like the searchable/indexable forum. It's less ephemeral than a chat room. 17:39 ireallyhateirc nuking the forum would be funny 17:40 [MatrxMT] I'm struggling to see the humour 17:41 bgstack15 Well, apparently somebody dumped a "Minetest Game wiki", and dumping the forum would just be in line with that, I suppose. 17:41 [MatrxMT] having the forums taken down and released as a SQL dump would be equivalent.. yeah 19:07 bgstack15 Er, I meant, "removed" 22:11 hello Hello 22:17 gry hi 22:30 hello Hello 22:36 gry hello