Time Nick Message 02:55 repetitivestrain luatic: regarding https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/pull/16458, would it be possible to batch particlespawners too? 04:03 cheapie In today's episode of "I hope this bug never gets fixed", using https://content.luanti.org/packages/shaft/tables_chairs/ together with signs_bot results in the bot flap being misidentified as a type of wood and furniture based on that being registered 04:03 cheapie The reason I hope it never gets fixed is that the bot flap table actually looks quite nice :P https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20250830_230238.png 04:04 MTDiscord lol 04:06 cheapie It also ends up registering furniture made from the techage TA1 sluice gate if techage is installed, in both cases I think it's because those nodes are in the "wood" group 04:17 MTDiscord i think thats a bug on techage, not on that mod 04:17 cheapie probably 04:17 [MatrxMT] bug is group 04:18 [MatrxMT] the bug is that group:wood does not have a super clear meaning. It probably means "whole node of wood", but might be interpreted differently 04:18 MTDiscord and yes 06:56 Krock celeron55: might you see a benefit of integrating https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis / https://git.gammaspectra.live/git/go-away to the Luanti Forums? That could remove some load induced by LLM crawlers 06:58 Krock I'm mentioning this because the forums are unreachable again. Although this time with a gateway timeout 08:57 MTDiscord yeah should've been wooden 08:57 MTDiscord [to Blockhead256] ^ 12:31 luatic repetitivestrain: of course, i do want to get to that, but for now i'd want to keep the PR just for particles; once it is merged i'll do particlespawners 14:50 celeron55 i took grok's mention of anubis as inspiration to finally update nixos and configure the forum to use anubis as the primary overload prevention mechanism 14:50 celeron55 grok's? ok, i used too much grok to do this but i mean Krock's 14:51 celeron55 (and yes, i get the irony) 14:51 Krock Sorry, I am unable to handle your requestion at this moment. Please retry later again. I hope this message found you helpful. 14:51 celeron55 2025: ask a bot for guidance on how to prevent bots from crawling a website 14:51 celeron55 i wonder what 2026 is going to be like 14:52 Krock hmm the forum is a litte more alive than before. At least that's a plus 14:52 Krock thank you for the roll-out. let's hope this fixes the issues 14:52 celeron55 i removed a lot of rate limiting i the hopes that it isn't needed anymore 14:52 celeron55 in* 14:56 [MatrxMT] petition to replace anubis with sam 14:57 [MatrxMT] tt-forums have an OpenTTD screenshot on theirs 14:57 MTDiscord zomg the funny anubis mascot is on the forums now 14:57 [MatrxMT] was it just me or was that challenge really hard? 14:57 [MatrxMT] good thing I don't browse the forums on my phone these days 14:58 MTDiscord ok but if you see https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/funding they don't really want you replacing the branding of anubis 14:59 [MatrxMT] well I guess somebody could draw an anubis skin and put it on the player API model.. unlikely... 14:59 MTDiscord i mean you can still do it, its just they dont want you to 15:00 MTDiscord it's funny how now with the anubis in front the number of online users on the forums is in the single digits 15:00 [MatrxMT] lol 15:00 MTDiscord lol 15:00 [MatrxMT] anubis is taking loong to load 15:00 [MatrxMT] oh it loaded 15:01 [MatrxMT] only 1 guest on the forums 0_0 15:01 MTDiscord yea I don't know why even loading the assets for the anubis challenge is so slow 15:02 celeron55 let's not worry about that. it works and that's more than i expected to achieve 15:02 [MatrxMT] the assets loaded for me but the test was stuck at "Loading..." for a while 15:02 [MatrxMT] 🎉 15:03 MTDiscord if it says "Loading..." then it's still loading the assets (including the actual code that does the PoW challenge) 15:03 MTDiscord but once that is loaded the challenge gets solved in like seconds for me... 15:04 [MatrxMT] Bing and Google still there. It's almost like it's not going to affect humans getting the information in any way 15:04 [MatrxMT] i though you were talking about the anubis character image 15:05 MTDiscord well amazing that the forums work now 15:07 celeron55 the cpu load dropped into ridiculously low numbers. it's a 2 core system and had grown since the beginning of this year from about 60% to constant 100-200%. now it's 25% 15:10 MTDiscord crazy 15:11 celeron55 let's hope this does't mean legitimate users aren't getting blocked too much but as far as i understand any modern browser should be able to pass the test. the bad thing is, it won't take many years until the bots will start running compatible browsers, but let's enjoy for now 15:12 [MatrxMT] yes, let's enjoy the victory while we have it 15:15 celeron55 i do think it's a bit silly to be marketing anubis with its loading screen, but as long as it's an open source project and their branding is somewhat tasteful, i like the fact that it essentially publicizes the issue 15:16 [MatrxMT] i wonder how much the "sleeping" spam accounts will increase after this 15:16 [MatrxMT] imo a simple way to decrease them is to disallow "com" at the end of an username 15:17 [MatrxMT] maybe include net or similar domain extensions too 15:18 [MatrxMT] only people who actually check the member list even know it's a problem. I don't go there personally 15:18 [MatrxMT] does SEO even work that way anymore? 15:20 MTDiscord I think the anubis mascot is cute and am generally happy to see it whenever I get to see it on various websites now 15:20 MTDiscord don't think it being at the front of the verification screen should be much of an issue 15:23 celeron55 there's a possibility filtering bots like this will be bad SEO for luanti, but we do have the github-hosted main and docs sites which will probably keep serving all the bots 15:24 celeron55 so if someone is programming a mod using an ai tool, it can still get the documentation. i think that's fair 15:28 Sokomine oh. the mt forum is broken for me :-( 15:29 Sokomine i'm already a legitimate user beeing blocked 15:29 [MatrxMT] can you not use something with javascript? 15:30 lemonzest works fine here, first load took ages but now its fast again 15:30 lemonzest using vivaldi 15:30 Sokomine irks! js is bad. the legitimate usages are so small... 15:30 lemonzest (chromium based) 15:30 [MatrxMT] this feels like a legitimate usage 15:32 Sokomine now i allowed js, hoping it would only need that for login. but then it complains about not beeing able to set a cookie. which is strange - of course the forum is allowed to set them. i'm logged in (or was...) 15:33 celeron55 Sokomine: try changing your user agent to something that doesn't contain the word "Mozilla". anubis provides this workaround for when you don't want to run javascript 15:33 [MatrxMT] do you whitelist which sites can use cookies 15:35 Sokomine ah. was still getting minetest-domain cookies - and the luanti domain was blocked 15:35 Sokomine aah! thank you, celeron! 15:36 celeron55 the future of the human internet will be full of these kinds of workarounds to keep the bots away but allow legitimate users... we're going to have to get used to it 15:37 celeron55 Sokomine: does it work? 15:38 celeron55 at least wget works fine without any cookies or prep of any kind, as it has a non-Mozilla user agent 15:41 gideonstar pikachu! https://imgpaste.gideonstar.de/i/nkB5.jpg 15:44 Sokomine thanks, celeron55! that helped. it works fine again 15:45 Sokomine yes, i decided on wget as well even before reading your comment about that in particular. seemed most logical 15:46 celeron55 that might of course break some websites but probably not the ones you're using 15:47 celeron55 (if it does, there's no way there isn't an add-on which allows setting a custom user agent per website... yeah, it's stupid... but the future will be even more stupid, trust me) 15:51 Sokomine yes, i've installed a user agent switcher. so far wget seems to work fine for most sites 17:13 rubenwardy It's sad how much the open web is being broken by grifters 17:14 rubenwardy Like how an RSS feed in my feed reader wasn't working because the site was blocking my mobile data ip address 17:14 rubenwardy Was serving a cloudfare captcha page 17:19 MTDiscord ideally we'd allow bots but disallow spam in general 17:20 sfan5 rubenwardy: configuration error on the website owner's part IMO 17:21 sfan5 assuming this isn't just cloudflare doing it behind their back 17:21 sfan5 never used it so I wouldn't know 17:21 Krock @the4spaceconstants2181 Excessive crawling/scraping is the issue, spam not so much. 17:21 rubenwardy Agreed but still 17:21 rubenwardy Feeds are quite neglected, is a shame 17:22 sfan5 celeron55: did you remove the normal ratelimit from the forum? it still seems quite slow 17:22 MTDiscord excessive unwanted action is still technically spam 17:22 sfan5 if it's still active I would at least bump it by 4x or so 17:24 Krock it feels rather responsive to me 17:25 sfan5 might be that I loaded it with an empty cache 17:35 identity the4spaceconstants2181: that would be flooding, spam is specifically adverts 18:33 MTDiscord then I mean what you mean by that term