Time Nick Message 02:41 user2_ trying to get my IRC client set up- it shouldnt be this hard ;-; 02:44 mrcheese ;-; 04:01 user2_ test 04:02 user2_ ok i think it worked ;-; 04:02 [MatrxMT] \\/ \o/ \// 04:02 user2_ yay 04:02 user2_ i got the IRC client running on my 25yo PC 04:03 mrcheese O_o 04:04 user2_ yeah, it's from around 2000 and was originally running winXP, but i installed debian 12 on it 04:04 mrcheese nice 04:05 user2_ it could run 5.13.0 at ~0.3 FPS on debian, or 5.1.1 (not 5.11) at ~20FPS, even on servers! 04:05 user2_ (on winXP o_O) 04:05 mrcheese whaa 04:05 mrcheese thats nuts 04:06 mrcheese 5.1.1 + WinXP O-o 04:06 user2_ yeah- the 32-bit build of MT from github will run on pretty much every windows version 04:06 user2_ (5.1.1) 04:06 mrcheese wow- 04:08 user2_ it's not a great PC at all- 2GB of DDR2 and a 2-core CPU at 1.4 GHZ 04:09 user2_ it's been upgraded a bit since it was built, but hasnt had a BIOS update since 2008 04:10 user2_ (not like it would be supported any more lol) 04:12 mrcheese lol 04:17 cheapie user2_: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/IMG_20250409_155613.webp :P 04:18 cheapie "Turbo XT" at work from 1991, updated the BIOS on it earlier this year 04:18 MTDiscord What does the bios update do? 04:19 user2_ uh- idk, that's when it was last updated- 04:19 MTDiscord I meant that question for cheapie. 04:19 user2_ cheapie: kinda reminds me of a 2009 game by Valve... ;) 04:19 MTDiscord What's the point of updating the bios? 04:19 cheapie Faster than the stock one, mostly 04:20 cheapie Original was some DTK ERSO BIOS which was.... not great 04:20 user2_ i have a $1500 laptop here with a corrupted BIOS T-T 04:21 mrcheese :O 04:21 user2_ (not this one ofc) 04:21 cheapie The nice thing with XT-class boxes is that the BIOS is mostly not board-specific 04:22 cheapie Often you can pull the ROMs out of two completely different XT boards, swap them around, and have both still work 04:22 user2_ interesting- gl doing that on a modern computer 04:22 mrcheese user2_: lol 04:23 cheapie This board is one of a few exceptions - it has a slightly funky chipset, but GLaBIOS has a build option to work around that 04:23 user2_ the name XD 04:23 user2_ i love it 04:23 cheapie I need to update it again sometime, there's been a new version released since I took that picture 04:23 mrcheese that bios name sounds very similar to something i know... :PPP 04:24 cheapie mrcheese: That's intentional, see the "Where did the name originate?" section of the FAQ on https://glabios.org/ 04:24 user2_ yeah, i knew it was based on that as soon as i saw it 04:25 mrcheese :P 04:25 user2_ ive completed both of the games multiple times 04:25 cheapie I played through the original once... on an HP t420, at that 04:25 user2_ i can beat the original in 30min :P 04:25 cheapie Which is actually just barely powerful enough for it to be playable on there :D 04:26 cheapie One of these: https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t420/ 04:26 user2_ playable starts at ~30-45 FPS, but i was stuck playing MT at ~20 for a little while 04:27 user2_ that looks old- 04:27 cheapie It's about 10 years old, but it's not really meant to be used as a standalone computer 04:27 cheapie But the firmware isn't locked down at all, you /can/ install whatever OS you want, with mixed results 04:28 mrcheese ... 04:28 user2_ huh, a VGA and DVI port on a computer from 10 yrs ago? unusual, most had HDMI by then 04:28 cheapie It was the cheapest/lowest-end thin client HP sold at the time :P 04:29 [MatrxMT] VGA was still there on some motherboards, and DVI on some graphics cards, which, the thin client would have 'integrated' (not that it would have great capabilities) 04:29 user2_ the good thing about DVI and VGA is they are practically unbreakable (unless you bend the pins) 04:30 cheapie Blockhead256: Amusingly it does actually have a lot of capabilities if you don't care about performance - supports OpenGL 4.6, Direct3D 12, and Vulkan 1.2 04:30 user2_ oh wow- 04:30 [MatrxMT] 640 gaming 04:30 mrcheese wow 04:30 user2_ my RPi5 isnt even that good T-T 04:30 user2_ it has opengl 3.1 04:31 cheapie A surprising number of modern-ish games will actually run, although they'll be grinding at swap the whole time and you're lucky to get even 1 FPS 04:31 user2_ and i need 3.3 or higher to use blender T-T 04:31 mrcheese im glad i dont struggle from that ;-; 04:31 user2_ cheapie: i hosted a MT server on an RPi1 04:31 mrcheese how did that go? 04:31 user2_ v e r y s l o w 04:32 mrcheese totally not surprised lol 04:32 [MatrxMT] I recommend https://content.luanti.org/packages/wsor4035/airgame/ 04:32 user2_ i tried MTG and CTF, MTG was pretty good, CTF was slow but it still worked 04:32 mrcheese XD 04:32 cheapie TPU claims that the performance here is about half of a GeForce 210, although this will run (...or at least walk) a lot of stuff that a 210 won't 04:32 user2_ it was able to load my gigantic CTF map with a 2gb swapfile after 6min 04:33 cheapie user2_: Now try it with dreambuilder :P 04:33 user2_ i never used dreambuilder 04:33 mrcheese *40s max lag* 04:33 cheapie You're not missing a lot, it's just a particularly huge mod soup 04:33 user2_ and i find CTF pretty resource-demanding 04:34 MTDiscord Tasty. 04:34 * cheapie slides one of these towards Blockhead256 too: https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t510/ 04:34 user2_ i have a lot of RPis- most of them working 04:35 [MatrxMT] dual monitor 04:35 mrcheese wdym "most of them" ;-; 04:35 cheapie The model after that one is my favorite "RPi killer": https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t520/ 04:35 user2_ my RPi zero 2 just draws like 1 amp as soon as you plug it in, and the CPU gets hot enough to melt the case 04:36 user2_ it never worked 04:36 cheapie Performance keeps up with an RPi 2 or probably 3, upgradable RAM, comes in a case, more ports, etc., and you can get them used on eBay for like $20 04:37 user2_ considering i paid $100ish for my RPi3, that's a great deal 04:37 user2_ tit was new though 04:37 user2_ t*it 04:37 user2_ *it 04:37 mrcheese ... 04:37 cheapie The only real drawbacks are that it's bigger, draws a bit more power (but still only like 10W under load), and doesn't have any GPIO pins 04:37 user2_ i keep thinking this is ingame chat- 04:37 [MatrxMT] 🐦 04:37 mrcheese user2_: lol thought so 04:38 mrcheese 🐦 04:38 user2_ i never really use the GPIO on mine- most are in my 3D-printed server rack for a file/MT server 04:38 cheapie Dell Wyse 3040 goes for about the same price and is basically the same thing as an Atomic Pi but in a case 04:40 user2_ you can probably get better (but bigger) PCs from an e-waste center for free/close to 0 04:40 cheapie probably 04:40 cheapie HP t640 prices are falling into the interesting range these days, those have a dual-core Zen1 CPU with Vega 3 graphics and are starting to be available for like $40 now 04:42 cheapie t740 (quad-core Zen1 CPU, Vega 8 graphics, PCIe slot) prices are starting to go under $100 too 04:42 user2_ this PC was made in ~2000, had several minor upgrades, and now has a dual-core intel atom @1.4 GHZ, 2GB of DDR2, i replaced the 160 GB hdd with a 500 gb one, and a decent screen (its a laptop) 04:43 user2_ and ~5min battery life ;-; 04:43 mrcheese ;-; 04:44 user2_ the screen hinges are broken so i used a piece of string taped to the back of the screen and the bottom of the case to keep it from falling back ;-; 04:45 mrcheese w o r n d o w n h a r d w a r e 04:45 user2_ yeah lol 04:45 cheapie My main laptop is starting to get like that, it's one of those super-cheap laptops meant to last a year or two. It's 6 years old now and still going. 04:45 cheapie Main desktop is a lot nicer though: 04:45 cheapie Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian forky/sid • CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor (550MHz) • Memory: 61.3 GiB Total (51.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 429.9 GB / 957.2 GB (527.3 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 23 [Radeon RX 6600/6600 XT/6600M] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge • Uptime: 4w 2d 11h 31m 6s 04:46 user2_ when it does break, remove the screen and make a server 04:46 user2_ (like i will do with mine) 04:46 mrcheese ^^^ how to expand a computers lifespan 04:46 cheapie You two should see some of the stuff I manage at work 04:47 user2_ i love working on computers- 04:47 user2_ MT and PCs: my 2 favorite things 04:47 cheapie There's a "server" there I manage that was built out of whatever crap I could find at the time, including most of a desktop that had been decommissioned in about 2018 04:48 cheapie Another one had hardware from ~2010 plus a NIC from 1998 (10/100 ought to be enough for anybody :P) 04:49 MTDiscord If your laptop is getting annoyingly slow, you could try connecting to your desktop through rdp. 04:49 cheapie That second one is no longer in service (our needs changed), the first one is with no current plans to replace it 04:49 user2_ my 'server rack' is 2 RPis in 3D-printed cases, a 1TB external HDD, and a million cords inside a laundry detergent jug- 04:49 user2_ it works perfectly 04:49 cheapie nathan4220776: Mine? It works fine still, I mostly just use it for "netbook" type things 04:50 user2_ i have had this laptop since... 2021 i think, it wasnt new ofc lol 04:51 cheapie Plays 1080p60 AV1 YouTube videos just fine, takes a few seconds to get going though 04:51 cheapie Battery lasts about an hour, speakers are dead but I have a BT speaker I use with it 04:52 user2_ i bought my first RPi in early 2024, and found a random APT package called 'minetest'.... ;) 04:52 user2_ thats how i learned about MT 04:52 cheapie I think the keyboard is going to be the death of that thing, it's been starting to pick up some weird quirks 04:53 cheapie Like LShift+\ types nothing unless you push \ really hard, but RShift+\ works fine 04:53 user2_ cheapie: this laptop can play videos on winXP with VLC perfectly, but on debian it's super laggy, but mpv works perfectly 04:53 MTDiscord You can probably play youtube videos on that thing. 04:53 MTDiscord As long as nothing else is open, if you paste a link into mpv, it might run smoothly. 04:54 cheapie I think two of the bottom cover screws are still screwed into something, the rest of the screw stalks all broke off 04:54 user2_ IIRC there is no GPU drivers, it has to use software rendering, and YT will only add more work for it 04:54 MTDiscord GPU doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure it's too old to handle modern codecs anyway. 04:54 cheapie user2_: No GPU drivers? Is it one of the PowerVR-based ones? 04:55 user2_ uh- no, i'm pretty sure it's just intel graphics 04:55 MTDiscord You might be surprised. There's a decent chance that it could play 1080p videos. 04:55 cheapie Intel graphics generally have pretty good driver support 04:55 MTDiscord As long as it's not constantly swapping while doing so. 04:55 user2_ RAM is fine 04:55 cheapie The exception being the GMA 3600 series (PowerVR-based), those have abysmal drivers 04:56 user2_ i'm at ~0.4 GB of RAM in use rn, that's with the IRC client open only 04:56 user2_ it could play YT videos on winXP with firefox 52.9 04:57 * cheapie grabs that falling-apart laptop to sysinfo it 04:57 user2_ but only if you went to youtube.com/?disable_polymer=true 04:57 cheapie Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian forky/sid • CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3200U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 28.6 GiB Total (24.3 GiB Free) Swap: 9.8 GiB Total (9.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 23.8 GB / 114.5 GB (90.7 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Picasso/Raven 2 [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h • Uptime: 5 04:57 cheapie d 6h 17m 20s 04:58 cheapie It has so little structural integrity left that the keyboard noticeably flexes just from picking it up :P 04:58 user2_ remove screen, kb, touchpad, fingerprint sensor, camera, etc and make a server :PPP 04:59 MTDiscord There's no real need to remove that stuff. 04:59 cheapie I already have a home server here, based around one of those socket AM1 boards nobody bought :P 04:59 MTDiscord You can make it a server without mutilating it. :D 04:59 user2_ nathan: to save space and weight. also slight amounts of power. 05:01 cheapie Socket AM1 never had any good CPUs released for it... and said server has the slowest one, the Sempron 2650 05:02 user2_ i had a lot of software on the winXP install on this PC- VLC 3.0.8.0, pirated MS office 2010, Snes9x, PuTTY, MT (ofc), and a lot more, and probably some malware :D 05:03 user2_ just for fun, i created an installation of win95 on a USB so i can boot a modern and 30 yo OS on the same PC 05:04 user2_ this conversation has gotten very unrelated to MT- 05:07 mrcheese yeah wow XD 05:08 mrcheese Luanti Channel: conversation about o l d h a r d w a r e 05:08 user2_ and new hardware 05:08 mrcheese true 05:08 user2_ and software 05:08 user2_ and old software- 05:08 mrcheese yep 05:09 mrcheese *not MT related* 05:09 user2_ it started MT-related, me playing a modern server on winXP- 05:09 user2_ then all kinds of stuff- 05:10 mrcheese yep 05:15 user2_ ima move my PC- i hope the battery doesnt die in the 30s it takes ;-; 05:15 user2_ if i leave you will know why- 05:16 mrcheese ;-; 05:25 mrcheese ... 05:26 user2_ the battery didnt die- the screen froze and i had to do a hard shutdown 05:26 mrcheese oooouch 05:26 user2_ on a HDD ;-; 09:52 [MatrxMT] so many new not planned/wontfix/duplicate issues 09:52 Krock stop writing issues 09:54 [MatrxMT] i'd say zughy did a good job 14:59 user2_ finally got HexChat working- what a pain 20:34 MinetestBot 02[git] 04tenplus1 -> 03luanti-org/minetest_game: Fix replacement items being lost in furnace (#3208) 1366a2113 https://github.com/luanti-org/minetest_game/commit/66a211310c34d02bfec72c03b2343da9d8e116cf (152025-09-14T20:34:18Z) 20:58 MinetestBot 02[git] 04y5nw -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Minor refactor to the `Plural-Forms` parser (#16489) 13cc6b56b https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/cc6b56b034c72fef0855b3791139661ffb71fa28 (152025-09-14T20:56:40Z) 21:02 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Add core.strip_escapes() (#16485) 13d932f34 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/d932f34693184d62d9f7aeab08a892e1832df970 (152025-09-14T21:01:43Z) 21:02 MinetestBot 02[git] 04birdlover32767 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Fix world buttons not appearing (#16480) 1329490cb https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/29490cb0f7d0f3314d953ead7f440945c10c471d (152025-09-14T21:02:01Z) 21:09 user2_ is core.strip_escapes() available on CSMs? it would make my chat logger CSM so much simpler- 21:11 user2_ i modified my client so i could use the HTTP API on CSMs, might have to do the same for this 21:13 luatic user2_: it should be, judging by the code 21:15 user2_ ooh great :D 21:16 user2_ i don't know enough C++ to figure it out myself, but im still learning :D 21:17 sfan5 try it out 21:18 user2_ i dont know much lua either- i spent most of my time learning python3 21:18 user2_ (which i should have spent learning C/C++ instead-)