Time  Nick      Message
00:17 [MatrxMT] <repetitivestrain> This server has a drastically simplified level generator, that's all
03:13 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> > allright then... what about `local core = core or minetest`
03:13 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> the `or minetest` is based on a misconception
03:13 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=31940
03:14 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> > for a full GUI.... probably HUD because you can have a mouse
03:14 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> but then you can't click on anything in that HUD
03:14 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> I've suggested clickable HUDs/HUDs as formspec before as a partial solution to Android lacking controls
03:15 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> like how in Garry's Mod you can push a key and release the cursor from camera controls to GUI controls
03:16 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/12488
03:18 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> PRANG! comes to Mind https://content.luanti.org/packages/luk3yx/prang/
03:40 user333_  yeah, i had the same thought when i saw `...or minetest`
03:41 user333_  a bad way to 'preserve backwards compatibility' unless you want to make mods for <0.4.10
03:46 user333_  Blockhead256: all of that 'terrible code' was taken from this very LLM-generated PR: https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/pull/16447/
03:47 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> ah that thing, I was wondering, maybe the matrix scrollback missed it (chatbridge) or I missed it
03:47 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> yes, I've seen it in other LLM-generated outputs before too
03:47 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> shows how little the LLM actually understand the environment of Luanti and is mostly just a cargo cult machine at scale
03:48 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> just think about how much of the training data for it is based on random amateur mods for Minetest 0.4 and up
03:54 user333_  training an LLM on random mods for minetest 0.4.8 a 10yo made... what could possibly go wrong?
04:10 MTDiscord <tx_miner> Sure u can just track mouse location
04:11 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> you'd need a large amount of extra code to track change's to the player's view position and translate those into virtual cursor movement on the GUI, translate punches into clicks, all of that
04:11 MTDiscord <tx_miner> I did it in like 20 lines
04:11 MTDiscord <tx_miner> For the mouse tracking and clicks
04:12 MTDiscord <tx_miner> Oh ye ig I should have mentioned I started it tonight
04:14 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> alright, well, we'll see if you can get a useful library out of it
04:15 user333_  now figure out how to put an x86_64 VM on it :P
04:15 user333_  (jk)
04:43 MTDiscord <et086> a vm in luanti would be really cool (if someone has resources on how to test and implement it, and also not nessecarily x86)
04:43 MTDiscord <et086> (then i might? attempt it)
04:44 MTDiscord <et086> i think people also made a risc v emulator to run on scratch and that ran linux if im not mistaken
04:47 user333_  x86 would be ideal so you can boot most operating systems, RISC-V could also work as you can run debian on it (i have yet to find another OS that supports RISC-V)
04:57 MTDiscord <et086> well, probably good idea to implement whatever is simpler (also im talking about making a cpu emulator in luajit which is really stupid)
05:00 MTDiscord <et086> if you are talking about something like outsourcing the work to qemu then i already did that
05:02 MTDiscord <et086> *a mod that uses qemu to emulate
10:21 MTDiscord <goodclover> nothing wrong with implementing a vm in luajit?
15:49 MTDiscord <et086> i  feel like it would be very inefficient
15:50 MTDiscord <et086> like you only have floats, or using funny syntax you can get signed/unsigned 64bit integers (in luanti without requiring being a trusted mod)
17:04 pgimeno   these guys did it https://love2d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91383 https://love2d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=83803
17:20 shaft     Is there a way to unload media added with dynamic_add_media? If you add and remove media a lot and clients keep it all, they'll run out of memory eventually won't they?
17:21 shaft     And [png Do those get unloaded by clients or is it also stuck forever?
17:26 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> afaik no on both counts, but check github issues
17:28 shaft     Thank you
17:33 MTDiscord <goodclover> dynamic media is unfortunately never removed from the client's memory right now
18:03 MTDiscord <sfence> Anybody with macOS Tahoe 26 to test #16499 ?
18:03 ShadowBot https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/16499 -- No game sounds on macOS Tahoe 26