Time Nick Message 00:11 whosita crashing in on_deactivate caused entities to duplicate... I wonder what happens with GUID in that case 02:22 repetitivestrain Blockhead256: people should simply forbear to host luanti servers on pitiable hardware 02:22 repetitivestrain the number of users who expect e.g. mineclonia to function on a Westmere or Sandy Bridge Xeon from the early 2010s just beggars belief 02:22 repetitivestrain function well on, that is 02:23 user333_ i ran a terrible local CTF server on an RPi1 02:23 user333_ like 3 minutes max lag iirc 02:24 repetitivestrain that probably arose from constant swapping 02:25 user333_ yeah, it had 512 MB of RAM and an 8GB swapfile 02:26 user333_ my RPi5 could do a 3-player CTF server no problem, with a client running on it as well 02:27 repetitivestrain how much ram has the rpi5 again 02:27 user333_ depends on the model, 2-16GB of DDR4 02:28 repetitivestrain Mmf 02:29 repetitivestrain but the processor is far more modern than the honestly pathetic hardware on which many people attempt to run mineclonia 02:29 repetitivestrain for a single threaded game such as mineclonia is, any cheap laptop from 2016+ would serve them better than a Westmere xeon 02:30 user333_ i should try mineclonia on my dual-core 1.4 GHz potato laptop :P 02:30 repetitivestrain What's the cpu 02:30 user333_ intel atom 02:30 user333_ v e r y o l d 02:30 repetitivestrain which atom though 02:31 user333_ uhh... /me runs `cat /proc/cpuinfo` 02:31 user333_ Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz 02:31 user333_ nvm it was 1.6 GHz 02:31 cheapie I should try with the array texture thing on this box sometime 02:31 cheapie Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Enterprise (x64) • CPU: AMD GX-209JA SOC with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (1000MHz) • Memory: 1.8 GiB Total (116.4 MiB Free) • Storage: 142.6 GiB / 238.4 GiB (95.8 GiB Free) • VGA: AMD Radeon HD 8180 • Uptime: 18m 2s 02:32 cheapie It does have OpenGL 3... actually 4 :P 02:32 user333_ that's better than my RPi5 with opengl 3.1 02:32 user333_ and this potato with opengl 1.4 02:33 cheapie In Windows it does D3D12, in Linux it does (IIRC) OpenGL 4.6 and Vulkan 1.2, it's just all very slow and that CPU isn't helping matters 02:33 repetitivestrain it's from 2009... 02:33 repetitivestrain yeah, that won't be adequate at all 02:33 user333_ ;-; 02:34 cheapie 2013 02:34 user333_ i have another old laptop motherboard here, 4 core unknown intel CPU from ~2011, 2.2 GHz and 16GB of DDR3 i upgraded 02:34 cheapie It's just a /really/ low-end embedded part from 2013 02:34 cheapie Supposed to be a thin client 02:35 user333_ how well does it run MT? 02:35 cheapie Not very well :P 02:35 user333_ this laptop gets ~20FPS at abseloute minimum settings 02:36 repetitivestrain but anyway even an "Intel J5005" will outperform the Westmere xeons where people attempt to host minetest servers 02:36 user333_ both on windows XP and debian 12 02:36 cheapie Keep in mind that iGPU is only about half as fast as a GeForce 210, and that CPU struggles to keep it fed 02:36 repetitivestrain it's an atom from 2017 02:36 repetitivestrain and it'll consume a quarter, if not less, of the energy required by the westmeres to do so 02:36 user333_ actually, this laptop was fairly decent as a MTG server and even a CTF server for 2-3 ppl 02:37 repetitivestrain the Atom N270? 02:37 user333_ and i was able to boot windows 11 in a VM on it o_O 02:37 repetitivestrain well that just bespeaks how unsophisticated MTG is 02:37 user333_ repetitivestrain: yes 02:37 repetitivestrain try installing 100 mods 02:37 user333_ mesecons alone will do it 02:38 repetitivestrain well, i digress 02:38 repetitivestrain mtg alone is not so much a game as it is a relic 02:38 user333_ the only thing this laptop is good for is chatting on IRC and playing videos in 720p... 02:38 user333_ and maybe a MT server 02:39 user333_ it also was able to run half-life near perfectly in windows so maybe a retro gaming laptop 02:43 MTDiscord You can probably play youtube videos in 1080p if you try hard enough. The trick is to not use a web browser to watch the videos. 02:44 cheapie I should see if I can get a modern Luanti server running on the SiS 550 sometime, see if that can even host plain MTG reasonably 02:44 MTDiscord On Debian, there is a program called smtube that's a dedicated browser for youtube videos. When you click on a video, it downloads it with yt-dlp and plays it in mpv. 02:44 user333_ it was barely able to play 720p at 30FPS from an MP4, i don't think so 02:45 cheapie It's the one where you just *know* it'll be all sorts of fun when not even CPU-Z recognizes it 02:45 MTDiscord With the right setup, it's almost certainly possible. 02:45 user333_ the screen is only 720p so there's no point anyway XD 02:45 MTDiscord The trick is to make sure nothing else is running, and that the video gets cached as much as possible. 02:46 MTDiscord Higher-res videos are given higher max bitrates, so there could be benefits if you're watching a videow ith a lot of motion. 02:46 user333_ it was at 80% CPU usage playing with mpv in 720p at 30FPS with nothing else open 02:47 MTDiscord Maybe that computer really is that bad. I can't say for sure, as I've never seen it in person. 02:48 user333_ and yet it was able to boot windows 11 in a VM... 02:48 user333_ took an hour though 02:48 MTDiscord But I've played videos in 1080p on computers from the early 2000s with the trick that I described. 02:50 user333_ yeah i don't think it will work on this... it was considered low-end at the time 02:50 user333_ i might try overclocking it to ~2GHz and see if it works then 20:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Allow mapgen chunk size to be non-cubic (#16429) 13f4977b1 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/f4977b1e334b9698f064e97790282c783a4406df (152025-10-22T20:31:23Z) 20:35 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Move `Game` class definition of out game.cpp 13c58a7ad https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/c58a7ad98ad6fb5e9a2ab260049ef3986226a163 (152025-10-22T20:33:40Z) 20:35 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Move crack overlay to shader 134756e23 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/4756e23477e4c45a2dacb6387485101f60b2ac43 (152025-10-22T20:33:40Z) 20:35 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Silence non-useful CI whitespace check 1335357e4 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/35357e430053ea76ea4d3f148c01abc474200f4d (152025-10-22T20:33:40Z)