Time Nick Message 01:46 [MatrxMT] is that the real topic on IRC? Five point SEVEN!? 01:46 [MatrxMT] that's worse than the subreddit 01:49 cheapie Blockhead256: Hmm? The topic over here doesn't mention a version 01:51 [MatrxMT] matrix says it changed but it looks like it's probably the same as it has been for ages 01:51 user333_ according to /topic, it's `The official Luanti (formerly Minetest) channel | General, player and modding discussion is on-topic. If in doubt, post here | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: https://dev.luanti.org/irc/#rules | Development: #luanti-dev | Server list: https://luanti.org/servers | IRC logs: https://irc.luanti.org/" 01:52 [MatrxMT] we finally got renamed from "minetest irc" to "Luanti irc" 01:52 [MatrxMT] I'm sure it will all be sorted shorly 01:52 [MatrxMT] shortly 01:54 user333_ either it's a bug with smth or you have several years of chat lag 01:55 [MatrxMT] it's a lack of care from the matrix end. Eh, the main thing is we can send messages 01:55 user333_ or get an IRC client 01:56 [MatrxMT] I have konversation, but it takes longer to open and join the room (should add to the auto-join list I guess) and I'm going to have Element open anyway where I have this 01:56 [MatrxMT] *and* the matrix rooms and DMs as well 01:57 user333_ i use a client that runs on a server and is accessed with a web browser, so it loads fast and doesn't require anything to be installed on the computer you access it from (other than a web browser ofc) 01:58 user333_ it has less features then, say HexChat and it hasn't been updated since like 2015 afaik but it has a nice UI and works 02:52 MTDiscord some idiot updated the channel name and description finally 02:53 MTDiscord looks like the idiot needs to update the version or strip it out 03:17 [MatrxMT] you saw nothing 03:18 wsor4035 nothing 03:18 MTDiscord https://tenor.com/view/hans-schultz-hogan%27s-heroes-sergeant-schultz-i-see-nothing-gif-6911821947366319682 06:22 mrcheese trying to add a image hud element that doesnt block the crosshair.. any reason why it doesnt work?, i tried z_index = 0, -100, -1000, and it always blocked out the crosshair; is there something im missing? 17:10 Krock ping sfan5 https://github.com/minetest-mods/mesecons/pull/716 , pretty please? 17:13 sfan5 ah right I wanted to give that a test 17:50 Krock thanks for checking 18:29 cheapie "FPS: 1879" 18:29 cheapie I guess that one commit did fix vsync being stuck on :P 18:34 user333_ 1879 fps... much higher than my laptop could ever hope to get 18:39 Krock The FPS counter really needs more smoothing 18:40 Krock 700 to 900 FPS I guess 18:40 user333_ my laptop's dual-core 1.6 GHz CPU can't even get 5 FPS .-. 18:43 user333_ also, the FPS seems to be capped to 60 despite setting the maximum FPS higher, why is that? 18:53 MTDiscord vsync 18:54 user333_ so the latest commit should have no cap, correct? 18:55 cheapie It has the ability to set it that way, but I think it might still default to vsync on 18:55 user333_ i'l clone and compile it rn 18:58 user333_ why is the OpenGL version now labeled '4.6 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 25.0.7-0ubuntu0.24.04.2' 18:58 user333_ it was 'OpenGL 4.6' a few commits ago afaik 18:59 user333_ yesssssss 100 FPS... how high can i get it 18:59 user333_ it claims to be getting over 1k FPS and it's very unstable 19:05 cheapie user333_: opengl3 is the default now, it formats that text differently and also performs way better, sometimes an order of magnitude better, than the opengl driver ever did, ever since sfan5's array textures got merged 19:06 user333_ why does the opengl version show '4.6' then? 19:07 cheapie Because that's what your GPU and its driver support 19:07 cheapie AFAIK Luanti doesn't ever actually use any OpenGL 4.x features 19:08 user333_ what's the minimum OpenGL version to run luanti? 19:08 cheapie 3.2 for opengl3, no idea for the old opengl option but I've seen it work on 2.1 19:09 user333_ well it worked flawlessly with 3.1 on my RPi5... idk how then 19:10 cheapie I'm not sure if it's smart enough to fall back to opengl if opengl3 is selected but not supported by the hardware 19:10 user333_ who knows 19:12 Krock The opengl3 driver requires OpenGL 3.2, and does not use newer features from what I am aware of. 19:13 Krock the opengl driver used to work on OpenGL 1.2 upwards, but now 2.1 or so is required due to shaders. 19:22 user333_ i was able to run MT 5.1.1 with OpenGL 1.4.0 on Windows XP and got like 20 FPS 19:33 Krock nowadays you could probably give http://shorthornproject.com/ a try on top of Windows XP and see how it goes (would not recommend to do any productive work on it) 19:34 Krock (One Core API being the keyword) 19:34 cheapie I think that's probably in the top 10 sketchiest sites I've seen this year 19:34 Krock I'll try to find some more for you 19:35 user333_ hmm yea it's a HTTP site, seems legit to me 19:35 user333_ *as in, not HTTPS 19:38 * cheapie looks at VE-C 19:38 cheapie I guess I woke sfan5 up :P 19:42 Krock no no I already did that before 19:43 Krock cheapie: here's plenty of cool sites: https://geocities90s.neocities.org/ 19:46 cheapie Krock: Reminds me of https://mi.tsdx.net.ve/ 19:47 Krock no way. the "links" page actually has an autobus flying in from the left side 19:48 cheapie Of course this page has the second-best game ever (after Luanti, of course) at the top. Link is broken though: https://mi.tsdx.net.ve/romz/ 19:49 cheapie "music considered 'weapon of mass destruction' by YouTube(tm)" 19:50 cheapie I should probably poke him sometime and see if he'll fix those links 19:56 sfan5 I'm not sure if it's smart enough to fall back to opengl if opengl3 is selected but not supported by the hardware 19:56 sfan5 it is 20:09 cheapie good 20:09 cheapie (should there be a message that pops up when that happens? SuperTuxKart does that IIRC) 20:10 sfan5 🤷 21:57 i3riced Hello, quick question: As MTG isn't a good base for modding (according to the developers) what is? Mineclonia? 21:58 i3riced Another question: is it possible to have a few texturepacks enabled at the same time? If not: Is it being considered? 21:58 ireallyhateirc there's no thing such as one good modding base. Pick a game you like and make mods for it 21:59 ireallyhateirc the rest up to the developers of each game - whether or not they provide a good API for modding their game 22:00 i3riced ireallyhateirc: 1: Thanks, 2: Why do you have irc? 22:00 ireallyhateirc 2. because reasons, it just happened to be this way 22:01 mrcheese lol 22:03 i3riced What about my second question? (the texturepacks) 22:05 mrcheese its not possible to have several texture packs enabled at the same time 22:05 i3riced =( 22:05 ireallyhateirc this would need a mechanism to resolve conflicting textures which sounds overengineered 22:05 mrcheese yea it would be a cool feature (someone should PR that!) 22:05 ireallyhateirc if you want to have a combined texture pack then just copy files from one texture pack to another 22:06 i3riced I'm far too dumb to make a PR for that, but I agree with mrcheese as the solution ireallyhateirc provided is quite annoying from the users perspective 22:07 mrcheese lol 22:08 ireallyhateirc i3riced, tbh I don't find a simple file operation annoying. You just copy it and that's it. Then you can put your combined version on ContentDB and it could then be installed with a single click 22:08 mrcheese (tbh maybe a script should be made for that if the texture packs are enourmous for some reason) 22:09 ireallyhateirc also texturepacks are often made with a certain artistic style. Mixing two just makes an asset soup 22:09 i3riced ireallyhateirc: there could be licensing issues (with putting on the contentdb) 22:09 mrcheese tahts true 22:09 mrcheese thats* 22:10 i3riced ireallyhateirc: yea, but I remember there being something like darkmode inventory for mineclonia, and it cannot be mixed with anything else 22:10 i3riced but I could try making the script tho 22:10 mrcheese imagine trying to combine a high-res high detail texture pack with a stylized pixel art texture pack ;-; 22:10 i3riced lmao 22:10 i3riced imagine 22:15 user333_ IMO MTG is more of a base for games (like CTF) than an actual game that you should write mods for 22:16 mrcheese yea 22:16 mrcheese i treat it the same way 22:19 user333_ it's still good for testing stuff (though i guess that's what Devtest is for) 22:19 sfan5 devtest is for testing the engine, foremost 22:20 i3riced If I'm considering to make a mod, then should I just go for mineclonia? It seems to be the most known thing, right? 22:22 user333_ yeah, mineclonia is a good choice for mods, though game-independent mods are better 22:23 i3riced 'kay 23:20 MTDiscord where'd you get that mtg isn't a good modding base? 23:22 ireallyhateirc the entire concept of a modding base is wicked. Usually it works like this: people find a game cool and want to add features to it so they add mods. This requires a game which has a decent base gameplay. 23:33 cheapie The owner of this building put some poles in front of the elevators so I couldn't drive cars into them any more. There's always a way, though.... https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20251121_173145.png 23:35 user333_ or take the stairs 23:38 cheapie That works too, the cars can go up the stairs no problem (and there are no poles in front of the elevators on other floors) 23:38 user333_ *DISCLAIMER: Do not attemt IRL* 23:38 user333_ *attempt 23:38 cheapie Hey, IRL car elevators are a thing :P 23:38 user333_ true 23:39 user333_ not common here tho 23:39 cheapie I don't think car stairs are though 23:39 user333_ they're called ramps 23:39 cheapie But those are boring :P 23:39 cheapie lmisu: I think you need to make a car escalator 23:40 MTDiscord lame, a buildable elevator would be better 23:40 Noisytoot on IRL car elevators the car doesn't go on its side 23:40 MTDiscord so you could move 50 cars at one if you wanted :p 23:40 cheapie Noisytoot: [citation needed] 23:40 MTDiscord nothing says it couldnt 23:40 cheapie wsor4035: You can do some cursed celevator setups with a node replacer, and they even mostly work 23:41 user333_ a non-damaging sideways car elevator IRL? 23:46 cheapie wsor4035: So none of this is really /supposed/ to be possible, but with a node replacer you can do all sorts of weird glitchy nonsense: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-11-21%2017-41-30.webm 23:46 MTDiscord i mean, you technically could make it not possible by using the blacklist :p 23:47 cheapie I could, but it doesn't crash or otherwise mess with anything else, so I figure if someone wants to do something stupid then I might as well let them 23:49 cheapie One player used a replacer to put a window in the side of an elevator, which I thought was kinda neat