Time Nick Message 02:56 [MatrxMT] eh? that's a bug or bad build, I regularly switch to German to test things 03:05 cheapie Air conditioner is bringing in plenty of fresh air: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-12-13%2021-03-02.webm 03:07 [MatrxMT] for the unfamiliar, that texture is built into the engine for when you have air in your inventory 03:43 cheapie Random screenshot of the translation work I was doing on celevator a bit ago: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/Screenshot_20251213_213830.png 03:44 cheapie I just did a Spanish locale for now (and probably not a very good one, it's a mix of machine translation and what bits of Spanish I picked up in high school, but good enough for testing) 03:45 cheapie There's a user on VE-C who has offered previously to do a German translation of it, I'll have to see if he still wants to do that 03:46 MTDiscord ive sometimes wondered since this is open source, doing shitty machine/ai/llm/whatever translations to bait people into making them better. basically the old reddit/stackoverflow/forum thought of post a question, answer it wrong and youll get a bunch of engagement of people telling off the wrong person 03:47 MTDiscord (answering it wrong with another account) 03:48 cheapie I have to wonder if that bakedclay mod is trying that 03:49 [MatrxMT] people definitely complain about poor l10n, but how much translates (heh) into action I'm not sure. It's not as easy as typing a diatribe on reddit 03:50 cheapie Although the particular way in which the translations in that one suck suggests someone is doing something like S("Black")..S("Baked Clay") in there somewhere 03:50 MTDiscord im just happy when tenplus1 isnt increamenting the license violation counter, my bar is that low 🤷 03:51 cheapie I mean, they clear a higher bar than that, they at least make some sense if you think about them a bit 03:51 MTDiscord now yes (hopefully, havent checked in a while), the past no 03:51 cheapie I mean these specific translations, not tenplus1 as a whole 03:52 MTDiscord ahhh 03:53 MTDiscord blockhead: fair 03:53 cheapie Like the black baked clay says "Negro Barro Cocido", which reads approximately as "cooked mud black" 03:53 MTDiscord i kinda want to try it for kicks just to see what happens tho. scientific method and all 03:54 MTDiscord course im not sure how you would measure to make sure you actually have a trash translation vs somehow a good or good enough one that no one bothers 03:54 * cheapie gives wsor4035 a pile of rejected machine translations from celevator to use, things like "car status" but with "car" as in "automobile" 03:54 [MatrxMT] altman et. al. have already unleashed enough experiments on us. The LLM has definitely changed the way we speak – or punctuate.. 03:55 user333_ an LLM's favorite character: – 03:55 MTDiscord course the latter would be kinda ideal as a base line/init if it works - then can be usable to people who dont know English and doable by people who dont know other langauges 03:55 mrcheese user333_: yea lol 03:56 MTDiscord before someone runs off the deep end, not proposing the shit Mozilla is doing, just for init 03:57 MTDiscord (at least as far as i understand, they are overwriting human translations, etc) 03:57 [MatrxMT] when you use firefox ESR like us debian tortoises, you tend to forget about mozilla until the next ESR lifecycle 03:58 MTDiscord iirc this is there web? documentation? so the ancient software you use isnt relevant? (citation needed) 03:58 MTDiscord now i must check 03:59 [MatrxMT] oh the MDN machine translated? ehhhh 03:59 user333_ is there any good browser nowadays? chrome/chromium are too google-d, edge is too microsoft-ed 03:59 MTDiscord i wouldnt recommend it, but im rooting for servo to go places 03:59 [MatrxMT] no, not even one. They're all either too popular or not popular enough; too bleeding edge or don't have the features 04:00 user333_ make your own ig \_('_')_/ 04:00 MTDiscord > Japanese support articles https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/articles/mozilla-faces-backlash-introducing-ai-154356642.html 04:00 [MatrxMT] and you're also going to get fingerprinted one way or another 04:00 MTDiscord so not mdn, firefox? support articles i guess 04:01 [MatrxMT] ah, look, giving the bots unfettered push access. What could go wrong? 04:01 user333_ (a lot) 04:02 [MatrxMT] fetters are exactly what the bots need 04:02 [MatrxMT] there's your vocabulary for the day 04:02 MTDiscord always maintain that ai/llm is a useful tool, used in moderation/by a skilled human its useful. its not a hammer where everything becomes a nail 04:04 [MatrxMT] ai: so advanced it can replace your annoying co-workers who push without review 04:04 MTDiscord lel 04:04 MTDiscord depending on your coworkers it might produce better code than them 😛 04:05 user333_ or worse, depending on the model 04:05 MTDiscord practicality, ruining the implication. but not wrong 04:06 [MatrxMT] back in the bad old days, I remember my mate was using GPT-3. He'd start a greentext and the model would finish it 04:06 [MatrxMT] actually must have been GPT-2, pre Chat 04:07 user333_ back when LLMs though people had 6 fingers 04:07 MTDiscord only thing so far that i "trust" ai enough to just rip on is tests. mostly since its guardrailed into the test framework and my existing code 04:07 MTDiscord course i still review its output, first step being do they pass lol (and if not, is there a valid reason) 10:14 pgimeno cheapie: may I PM you about possible improvements to the celevator Spanish translation? 14:17 cheapie pgimeno: Sure, or if you want to send reasonable patches I can merge those too 16:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Update MinGW libraries and toolchain 1322b5c93 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/22b5c939dc2b0576f1d50d781d1bd2703c89ab8a (152025-12-14T16:42:24Z) 16:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Apply some general fixes to porting code 135b05fcf https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/5b05fcf8e1dfbbf66527acd257cb4b32dcc37fef (152025-12-14T16:42:42Z) 16:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Fix problem with _LIBCPP_ENABLE_ASSERTIONS 135dee294 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/5dee294a72d906878b46baad220127ed222159e1 (152025-12-14T16:42:42Z) 16:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04siliconsniffer -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Restore server description in menu (#16742) 139c37b46 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/9c37b46e1f0514a3cb2b5e5d844f42fa8e044f84 (152025-12-14T16:43:00Z) 18:32 cheapie Maybe setting these things to recirculate wasn't the greatest idea https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-12-13%2020-23-30.webm 22:10 cheapie can't have shit in Bonnthal :P https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/Screenshot_20251214_160820.png