Time Nick Message 01:10 Helenah Does anyone know what formspec will most likely be replaced with? 01:51 bgstack15 html 01:51 [MatrxMT] chromium? lul 01:52 * bgstack15 blinks innocently 01:52 Helenah bgstack15: Rea;;y? I heard developers are completely again the idea of HTML/CSS for GUI. 01:52 Helenah *Really 01:53 bgstack15 No 01:53 [MatrxMT] yeah not really https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/6527#issuecomment-1821595627 01:55 [MatrxMT] v-rob is the developer working the most on GUI and hopefully replacing formspec 05:17 MTDiscord I wonder if we'll get a replacement system before that issues becomes 10 years old. 05:18 MTDiscord *issue 14:36 cheapie Looks like Moldi has some competition now: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20251219_083436.png 14:54 MTDiscord do you get mugged if you go around back? 15:40 cheapie wsor4035: Ehh... you don't wanna go back there, but more because of this: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20251219_093945.png 15:41 cheapie Back when I built Moldi I stuck a little "disclaimer" sign on it saying "This store is not meant to imply that products from Aldi are poor quality. Aldi is actually pretty great." 15:42 cheapie User11 stuck a similar sign on Ghetto saying "This store is not meant to imply that products from Netto are that poor quality. Netto is actually somewhat OK." :P 15:43 [MatrxMT] "Signo: THis store is not meant to imply that products from stores that have signs that say that those stores are not meant to imply that products from the stores they parody are poor quality. Those stores are actually somewhat OK" 15:44 cheapie 1/4 Market got a new product recently too: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/Screenshot_20251217_175532.png 15:47 MTDiscord oh gosh, I didn't even realise the "ghetto" store was supposed to be a parody of netto 15:51 MTDiscord have they rebranded? don't think they exist here anymore but when it did they had black text on a yellow background and a dog holding a shopping cart in its mouth... 15:52 cheapie IIRC it's like Aldi where there are two companies with the same name 15:54 MTDiscord ah gosh, there seems to be even three ones with the same name... I must have been thinking of the danish one 15:55 MTDiscord > Netto is a French discount supermarket chain owned by the Les Mousquetaires group. [...] This chain of stores is neither owned nor affiliated with the Netto owned by the Danish Salling Group or the Netto owned by the German Edeka Group. 15:55 MTDiscord I'm sure their trademark lawyers are really happy about that situation 15:56 [MatrxMT] wow that's even more than target (AU) and target (USA) 15:59 MTDiscord > [Netto Marken-Discount] is unrelated to the Danish Netto chain, which has operations in several German states, or the French-owned Netto discount store that used the same logo. However Edeka owned 25% of a joint venture with the Danish Netto, which was sold in 2012. 15:59 MTDiscord collusion...! the plot thickens. 16:00 [MatrxMT] it's all controlled by the deep netto, that was an accidental exposure 16:00 cheapie Whichever Netto is the one with the red/yellow logo, it apparently doesn't have a very good reputation from what I've heard 16:02 MTDiscord probably makes sense, they're all supposed to be budget discount supermarkets. hit or miss depending on the day what they take in 16:03 cheapie Aldi seems to be aiming for the same thing and yet at least here in the US they're one of the best stores here, so *shrug* 16:03 [MatrxMT] that says more about USA quality standard than anything else I think 16:03 cheapie yeah 16:05 cheapie Context for those outside of the US: we have Aldi (Süd) here, they're huge, I think they're something like the 3rd-largest grocery store chain here now 16:06 sfan5 do they bag your groceries for you 16:06 cheapie no 16:07 [MatrxMT] I don't think you're allowed to do that if it's called Aldi, you get disappeared 16:07 [MatrxMT] I don't know what's got me in such a conspiratorial-seeking mood 16:09 * cheapie hmms at some stuff in Bonnthal, wonders why BDOT always leaves their traffic signal control cabinets wide open 16:09 [MatrxMT] but while I'm here, I'm gonna put it out there that mojang stopped obfuscation (1) to increase their chance of claiming the other party violated the terms of the software licence in a reverse engineered program 16:09 [MatrxMT] (2) to get free QA work from their massive content creator base 16:10 cheapie (2) reminds me of the situation in The Sims 3 with all of the community-made patches to fix or work around bugs in the game 16:10 cheapie EA: We make the games, you make 'em work™ 16:11 MTDiscord honestly you're probably right on the (1) part, I was thinking about the same when I heard the news (actually I think we had this discussion about it on matrix when it happened too) 16:11 [MatrxMT] yeah it was mentioned earlier 16:15 bgstack15 Blockhead256: what "other party" are you suggesting? 16:15 MTDiscord I do wonder how yarn has dealt with the fact they will be seeing the copyrighted mappings as soon as they crack open the jar. my hypothesis was that they would abandon their own project and just go with mojmaps since the whole thing of providing "clean-room" CC0 licensed mappings for decompiled code that is still copyrighted is... unclear how useful that is for the modding ecosystem 16:15 [MatrxMT] someone who creates a re-implementation of Minecraft in some way or copies code off of them 16:17 [MatrxMT] IANAL, so I couldn't say though what constitutes an infringing copy of Java code 16:18 MTDiscord also some people (read: redditors) still seem to think that java edition is gonna be fully open sourced or at least source available... which is terribly optimistic IMO, but I guess we will see 16:18 [MatrxMT] or a derivative work 16:19 [MatrxMT] I don't expect anything even as good as unreal engine's source availability 16:19 MTDiscord yeah probably 16:19 MTDiscord and they will almost definitively not publish the entire commit history either 16:22 MTDiscord so just like when they started publishing obfuscation mappings or removed the obfuscation it would just be the latest version at the time which I am not particularly interested in... I want some old version like a1.1.2_01 or b1.7.3 to be freed, whatever it would take 16:22 [MatrxMT] for clearance/non-infringement reasons? because surely the rev. eng. of those is done by now.. 16:28 MTDiscord yeah I guess one could pick enough modders' brains to manage to do a clean room reimplementation by now 16:28 MTDiscord I mean classicube seems to be doing alright at least, but that's much older and pre-survival 20:26 burgeresque hello again 20:35 user333_ almost 100 open PRs ;-; 20:40 MTDiscord merge them all without hesitation or review 20:41 [MatrxMT] it's on a cycle of 80-100 20:44 burgeresque user333: almost 100 open PRs ;-; 20:44 burgeresque is that a yay or a nay 20:45 * burgeresque slaps user333 with a rather large trout 20:50 user333_ "merge them all without hesitation or review" lgtm 20:52 Desour in a simple predator and pray population simulation, when the population of the pray goes up, the predator follows the trend and eats the pray, resulting in the pray population to go down, resulting in less food for the predators. in the end you get two waves. are the issues predator or pray? 20:52 Desour s/issues/PRs/ 20:52 [MatrxMT] prey are PRs, predators are people noticing that there are many PRs 21:02 cheapie Traffic sign in Bonnthal downstream of that one escalator lmisu built that tends to launch players: "pedestrians may exceed 80 MPH" 21:45 pgimeno way off topic, but these waves (coming from the Volterra-Lotka equations IIRC) can be seen by starting the simulation here (sorry, page in Spanish, just click the button "(Re)Comenzar"): https://orden-y-concierto.blogspot.com/2013/04/laboratorio-de-evolucion.html 21:51 Desour ah, right, Volterra-Lotka, that's what it was called, thx :) 21:51 Desour my browser can translate spanish c: 21:52 Desour (one of the few new firefox features/changes that I like)