Time Nick Message 05:19 [MatrxMT] imagine not adhering strictly to ISO 8601, which specifies a T to separate the date from the time. Actualyl.. it uses colons, which need URL escaping. Can't win /shrug 05:21 MTDiscord time is evil 11:34 Krock Merry Christmas, gamers. 11:35 [MatrxMT] merry christmas, may you all get good games 14:59 cheapie Blockhead256: But we already have MTG and devtest, what more could you want? :P 14:59 [MatrxMT] uhh, Minetest Classic? 14:59 cheapie I guess 15:03 cheapie So I'm sure this will come as a surprise to absolutely nobody, but trying to join VE-C on a box with 2GiB of RAM and a slow hard drive from 2006 does not result in a good experience 15:03 cheapie 4GiB is kinda alright though 15:04 user333_ try an older OS and MT version 15:05 cheapie But that would actually work well, and that's boring :P 15:05 cheapie TBH it would help if I wasn't running the whole mess in KDE Plasma too 15:11 Sheriff_U3 If your comfortable with Linux I would give AntiX a try. I have never seen a lighter OS with a gui. 15:12 cheapie It already is running Linux :P 15:12 Sheriff_U3 https://antixlinux.com/ 15:12 cheapie The goal was just to see what would happen, not to build a useful system 15:12 Sheriff_U3 ph 15:12 Sheriff_U3 *oh 15:12 cheapie Like... I'm currently typing on this: 15:12 cheapie Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian forky/sid • CPU: AMD Ryzen AI 7 PRO 350 w/ Radeon 860M (1.84GHz) • Memory: Physical: 11.1 GiB Total (7.3 GiB Free) Swap: 13.7 GiB Total (12.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 47.2 GB / 235.3 GB (188.2 GB Free) • Uptime: 1w 4d 11h 4m 31s 15:13 cheapie and my desktop is beefier than that. I have decent computers to use instead, for things like that :P 15:13 Sheriff_U3 lol, that's some good specs. 15:13 Sheriff_U3 these are mine: 15:13 Sheriff_U3 Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: LinuxMint "zara" 22.2 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz (1.65GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (4.4 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 467.6 GB / 1.0 TB (551.6 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation Gainward GeForce GT 610 @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 1d 12h 30m 34s 15:14 cheapie Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian forky/sid • CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor (1.75GHz) • Memory: 61.3 GiB Total (51.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 116.3 GB / 21.0 TB (20.9 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 23 [Radeon RX 6600/6600 XT/6600M] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge • Uptime: 4d 14h 56m 13s 15:14 cheapie ^ desktop 15:14 cheapie The laptop actually has better single-thread performance than the desktop, but the desktop wins on pretty much everything else 15:15 Sheriff_U3 Yours are definitely newer, mine is from 2013... 15:15 cheapie Yeah, this laptop is from earlier this year and that desktop is a combination of mostly-new-ish parts 15:17 cheapie I think the oldest part in it might be the OS installation, originally installed in mid-2016 and it's been transplanted a ton of times 15:18 Sheriff_U3 lol, I switched HD's a couple months ago and decided to just install fresh instead of transplanting 15:19 cheapie I've switched SSDs a few times in that thing 15:19 cheapie That 21TB it mentions is currently a 1TB SSD + 20TB HDD 15:22 user333_ there's actually a linux distro lighter than AntiX 15:22 cheapie I'm sure there are plenty 15:23 Sheriff_U3 what is it? (besides a server distro) 15:23 user333_ not many cram a full DE into 17mb 15:23 user333_ http://www.tinycorelinux.net/ 15:23 user333_ 11MB for full CLI, 17MB for a DE, and ~250MB for more software 15:24 user333_ "It is not a complete desktop nor is all hardware completely supported. It represents only the core needed to boot into a very minimal X desktop typically with wired internet access." 15:24 cheapie user333_: I have an SSD that's perfect for that :P https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/P_20200102_162852.jpg 15:25 Sheriff_U3 I think that that distro is a bit on the dead side though. 15:25 user333_ my idea was to put TinyCore + a custom luanti appimage + a few scripts to make LuantiOS, a bootable ISO that has fullscreen luanti on startup 15:26 Sheriff_U3 lol 15:26 user333_ because why not 15:26 [MatrxMT] you know what to do with it? 15:26 [MatrxMT] make apps in it as games 15:26 cheapie user333_: Does TC even ship support for any 3D acceleration, or are you going for the "llvmpipe ought to be enough for anybody" strategy? 15:26 Sheriff_U3 surprising 15:27 [MatrxMT] bundle no other applications other than commandline or whatever 15:27 user333_ no idea. 15:27 Sheriff_U3 the forums for it are still up 15:27 Sheriff_U3 with recent msgs 15:27 [MatrxMT] heard of that before, the modern Linux "PC booter" 15:27 user333_ i'm running it in a basic VM so there will be no 3d acceleration whatsoever 15:27 [MatrxMT] slideshow mode on 15:27 user333_ seconds per frame 15:28 cheapie I find Luanti to usually be at least marginally playable with llvmpipe 15:28 [MatrxMT] wish luanti had more people... but then you would lose the sense of "close-knit community" and have people trying to cashgrab stuff 15:29 user333_ compared to other games, luanti is very lightweight, yes 15:29 [MatrxMT] lightweight, but singlethreaded so one thread on the cpu just gets bombarded 15:29 cheapie It looks like ass and the textures are a blurry mess, but with the same settings I usually use here, I can get ~20 FPS in devtest with llvmpipe, view range 200 15:30 user333_ tbh that's not bad 15:30 user333_ software rendering ftw... 15:30 [MatrxMT] how much do you get if you turn off hud, or look at the sky 15:30 cheapie Looking straight up gets me 60 FPS 15:30 cheapie (capped at that, 60Hz monitor) 15:31 user333_ 5.15.0-dev removed that cap 15:31 cheapie Yeah, but I still have it enabled and can't be bothered to play with settings right now 15:31 user333_ though all my monitors are 60hz as well so it doesnt matter :c 15:31 [MatrxMT] why was vsync eternally on 15:32 user333_ my main PC now gets 700 FPS in MT thanks to that fix 15:32 cheapie Still better than that one time I tried Quake II RTX with RT on and software rendering, that "worked" in 640x480 and did a whole 10 frames per... day 15:32 user333_ nothing beats the time i got over 10k FPS in one of the Irrlicht demos 15:33 MTDiscord with the null driver? 15:33 [MatrxMT] congrats on getting 0.12mFPS 15:33 [MatrxMT] beats my record for sure 15:33 cheapie I screwed around with some old ATI Radeon 9000-series demos on modern hardware once, it was kind of funny running Fraps (which does work in Proton too) and seeing it just pegged at "999" 15:33 user333_ with opengl iirc, though software rendering got over 500 FPS 15:35 * user333_ has to go 15:35 cheapie https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/Screenshot%20at%202024-10-12%2017-26-52.png (top left) 15:35 cheapie Mesa overlay has more digits: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/Screenshot%20at%202024-10-12%2017-19-52.png 15:36 cheapie 3DMark2001 SE also properly handles >=1kFPS in the car chase test (the one where it shows the FPS on-screen in a HUD thing), it caps the displayed FPS at 999 but does log the real value 16:19 Krock Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian 13.0 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 680 @ 3.60GHz (3.52GHz) • Memory: 5.4 GiB Total (4.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 3.8 GB / 6.6 GB (2.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 1st Generation Core i3/5/7 Processor Reserved • Uptime: 2m 29s 16:19 Krock found a CPU with 3 digits. Spoiler: It's old. 16:22 cheapie I have a 386SX-16 but I don't think Luanti is going to run on that any time soon 16:32 cheapie The photo enforced roundabout in Bonnthal is back: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-12-25%2010-29-29.webm 16:34 cheapie There's just a (digilines) player detector under the center island, it's connected to a Luacontroller that both turns the flash under the camera on and off and triggers command blocks that place and remove a bunch of maptools:lightbulb (using a VoxelManip, because why not) 16:52 cheapie Some very slight edits to that escalator (removed some code that didn't do anything when used as intended, but was making launching more difficult) and now I can launch over 1km: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-12-25%2010-46-49.webm 23:27 user333_ look what i found: https://web.archive.org/web/20120409212845/http://minetest.net/ 23:31 user333_ ima see if the included source code for 0.2 will compile on modern linux 23:32 user333_ short answer: no 23:58 user333_ unrelated, what was the first version to have core,change_player_privs(...) ? 23:58 user333_ s/,/. 23:58 MTDiscord git blame is your friend 23:59 MTDiscord https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/blame/46436248de4d64887f5ee3f1005224495ede895c/builtin/game/auth.lua#L189 - https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/afc48cf2242d576aed2371b4763a71fec8739857 - 5.9.0