Time Nick Message 02:13 [MatrxMT] user333_: they don't update to new versions within a Debian stable release, that's what the stable means. That makes it fine if you want to run a server for a few years, then move to a later version (often not the actual latest...) when a new stable relases. 02:15 [MatrxMT] so again, it's not good for the desktop (but see flatpak, compile from source as options) but it's good for "I want to run a Luanti server for years and the only maintenance is occasional security updates" 02:15 [MatrxMT] that works better for something like Apache or nginx more than Luanti, but that's the idea 02:16 user333_ yea, i use debian/ubuntu so i know the story 02:17 user333_ and i always compile from source, never touching flatpaks again 02:17 [MatrxMT] oh right.. of course 02:17 [MatrxMT] "en ginks" 02:18 user333_ that's why i was stuck on 5.6.1 for a while until i learned to compile 02:18 [MatrxMT] Luanti could really do with a dedicated debian maintainer, it only occasionally gets attention to get security backports and push the latest stable to debian unstable 02:20 user333_ debain trixie released in mid 2025 and shipped with 5.10, at that time the latest was probably 5.12 or 5.13 02:21 [MatrxMT] yep, and that highlights why having a maintainer is so important, they need to get the latest versions into unstable before the deadline for the freeze, or it will be very out of date instead of slightly 02:22 user333_ at least it got a version after the minetest -> luanti rename 02:23 [MatrxMT] anyway, be the change you want to see in the world, they say 02:23 [MatrxMT] wearing my GNU shirt btw 02:23 user333_ i would if i had one 02:23 user333_ g n u ' s n o t u n i x 08:13 sfan5 @Blockhead256 that's the theory but realistically debian (nor any other distro really) does not have the resources to ship security fixes 08:14 [MatrxMT] well debian has shipped security updates for then-minetest before, but only after a huge lag 08:17 sfan5 not to mention normal bug fixes they're technically supposed to backport too 08:19 sfan5 this whole approach works best with an established and fixed purpose tool or system component, e.g. if I want my file gzipped then it doesn't matter if I use the gzip from 2015, 2020 or 2025, they all get the job done. but a game engine is an ever changing piece of software where having a version out of date by several years just makes a bad 08:19 sfan5 experience 08:20 [MatrxMT] could be sidestepped with a launcher.. I think distro-packaged veloren does that 08:21 [MatrxMT] not that I want a luanti launcher of course. The game opening near-instantly is a great feature 10:33 cheapie 1/4 Market in Bonnthal sells electronics now too: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20260121_173750.png https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20260122_043211.png 10:35 cheapie Ignore the new item in the beverages section off to the left, that's been there a bit longer :P 18:09 user333_ cheapie: do those PCs come preinstalled with luanti? :P 18:25 MTDiscord > Kotpilot+ PCs mit dem neuen Kopilot von Mikroslop 18:26 MTDiscord LOL 18:27 user333_ any preinstalled with linux? 19:05 Krock How can I increase the render distance IRL? 19:17 ireallyhateirc use binoculars 19:17 user333_ but then you need zoom pri 19:17 user333_ v 19:17 Krock binoculars don't work. the fog is still at the same distance 19:18 user333_ disable fog 19:18 Krock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCZ5B9dovVE 19:19 Krock !title 19:19 Krock MinetestBot! 19:20 user333_ but how would you disable fog? there's no keybind for it 19:21 ireallyhateirc no 5.15.0 blogpost yet hmmm 19:21 user333_ ireallyhateirc: https://github.com/luanti-org/blog/pull/173 19:22 ireallyhateirc that's a spoiler, I need to cover my eyes 20:16 cheapie user333_: They're just the laptop mod computers, so no Luanti unfortunately... they do come with mView though 20:52 [MatrxMT] > but how would you disable fog? there's no keybind for it 20:52 [MatrxMT] Press F3 20:53 user333_ what about IRL? 20:59 MTDiscord user333_: press f3 on the keyboard you use to play IRL 20:59 Krock connect the IRL keyboard to a lighting