Time Nick Message 01:51 cheapie Yay, Luanti just segfaults now. Time to bisect and stuff I guess... 08:06 pgimeno maybe the fire at the 12th floor broke something? 11:19 MinetestBot 02[git] 04cx384 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: Fix pushing non existing palette to Lua 1368a9b4d https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/68a9b4deb426a67b06e7b1259b1212caabc48cd4 (152026-08-02T11:17:49Z) 11:19 MinetestBot 02[git] 04cx384 -> 03luanti-org/luanti: CPCSM/SSCSM: Node Definition rename palette fields 135a17ebf https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/5a17ebf6c5155cf6c22943013266856e8895b337 (152026-08-02T11:17:49Z) 14:43 Sompi Modern Linux experience: Yesterday it worked, but today it mysteriously only segfaults. 14:44 user333_ very true 14:45 cheapie Sompi: Yes, but on the other hand I reported the issue last night and then woke up today to find it fixed 14:45 Sompi I have had that happen with many programs without even updating anything. Nowadays there are so many dynamic linkages and no-one knows what they all do :/ 14:46 cheapie #14703 FWIW, was fixed a few hours ago 14:46 ShadowBot https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/14703 -- SDL2: Support highdpi by grorp 14:46 cheapie #17403 * 14:46 ShadowBot https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/17403 -- Segmentation fault when loading Dreambuilder 14:47 Sompi My Luanti installation does not currently work, I should probably recompile everything again. But before that I should update everything and then there is a high chance that all recent rustacean patches break the kernel in more than one ways and often Firefox also starts behaving weirdly after updating it... 14:48 cheapie I haven't had Firefox do anything weird in ages now 14:48 Sompi I miss the time when you could just update all packages in your system and expect things to become better, not worse 14:48 cheapie What distro are you on? 14:49 Sompi Slackware 14:49 cheapie Try Debian I guess? Seems to generally work fine for me, even on sid 14:49 user333_ i have never broken my arch installs and i always seem to break my debian installs (managed to remove /lib last time) 14:50 Sompi I will never go back to Debian anymore, after all the recent idiocy they have done 14:51 Sompi First they started dropping target platforms and then they started forcing systemd and rust into everything 14:51 Sompi And dropping more target platforms, because of rust 14:51 user333_ are you sure you're not thinking of ubuntu 14:51 user333_ they are forcing the rust coreutils afaik 14:51 Sompi Ubuntu never had that many target platforms to begin with. But Debian was the most portable Linux Distro. 14:51 user333_ although debian did drop 32-bit x86 support 14:52 Sompi Currently Debian is also forcing rust in APT, which makes it impossible to port any Debian derivative distributions to platforms that rust does not support 14:52 Sompi And they are also planning to include the rust-rewritten coreutils that still don't even work 14:53 Sompi I switched my server from Debian to Devuan because of systemd, but then they dropped the entire 32-bit target and now I think I have had enough of Linux. Too unstable, everything is constantly changing in stupid and unpredictable ways 14:53 Sompi I am in the process of migrating it to NetBSD 14:54 user333_ really? debian doesn't really break unless you mess with it in weird ways (like i did ._.) 14:55 Sompi That used to be the case, but not anymore. Nowadays it can break on itself 14:55 user333_ also i am 90% sure you're thinking of ubuntu forcing rust stuff 14:55 Sompi The new normal in Linux world is that even the CPU target of the program is changed when you install updates 14:56 Sompi For example, you have an i686 CPU and a software update randomly introduces SSE2 instructions to the program 14:57 user333_ enough talk, give me an example 14:57 Sompi And everything becomes more bloated so ridiculously fast. It started after 2017, I assume that's when those corporate infiltrators got in 14:59 Sompi Before that a standard Slackware installation with xfce4 running consumed less than 40 megabytes of RAM, but it very quickly jumped to 512 megabytes and beyond 15:00 Sompi And most graphical applications stopped working without a SSE2 capable processor, even when the hardware target was i686 15:01 user333_ i checked APT's source code, it's still written in C++, so i don't know what you're going on about 15:01 Sompi You clearly haven't followed the news 15:02 user333_ all i've seen recently is (a) AUR malware (b) ubuntu forcing rust 15:02 Sompi https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2025/10/msg00285.html 15:05 user333_ i don't see a point to this conversation other than to complain about "how bad debian is" 16:49 jonadab People who object to Debian because of systemd, usually use Devuan these days. 17:17 MTDiscord debian bad, please star this message to spread awareness 17:35 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> once you strip away the branding, the desktop env, and the package manager, every OS is the same - just a collection of algorithms designed to arbitrate hardware access and present a unified API to software developers and try to solve the same issues - deadlocks, resource starvation, and hardware security 17:35 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> paraphrased from an old university CS professor i had 17:57 cheapie New argument for a larger world size just dropped: 17:57 cheapie <%VE-Creative> i wish to build your mom, but the server is too small 19:25 MTDiscord Has anyone prototyped SDL3 support on Android? 19:27 Krock feel free to try it 19:28 Krock I only tested it on Linux, and that... since its introduction 20:41 MTDiscord I did try it on Linux, works fine. But I managed to find a workaround for what I'm doing that works with SDL2, so its no longer blocking my side project 23:51 [MatrxMT] jordan4ibanez: I gave you a star on Matrix lole