Time Nick Message 00:00 MTDiscord It's a multi cpu motherboard 00:00 user333_ oh phew 00:01 user333_ i have seen 96+c servers though 00:03 MTDiscord look into epyc quad socket 00:05 user333_ bit above my budget 00:36 Noisytoot jordan4ibanez: using ~240W right now with one PSU and compiling something (but it's only using one core and far from saturating the cpu, but not exactly idle either) 00:40 Noisytoot user333_: 2 sockets, 6 SMT8 cores per socket, 8 threads per core (an SMT8 core is basically two SMT4 cores with only minor scheduling differences, I suspect most of the reason POWER9 has SMT8 at all is just silly per-core software licensing reasons) 01:25 Noisytoot ~211W idle, ~290W running stress -c 96 02:30 MTDiscord Not bad! 02:31 MTDiscord Is that at the wall of software? 02:31 MTDiscord Is that at the wall, or is that the software reading? 03:20 Noisytoot at the wall 05:13 MTDiscord https://klipy.com/gifs/yes-will-ferrell 05:13 MTDiscord I was hoping I'd be very wrong and now I want to get one even more 08:59 honkisakamoto Hello 09:04 [MatrxMT] hello honkisakamoto 09:09 [MatrxMT] we have a saying on IRC, "Don't ask to ask, just ask" 09:32 honkisakamoto Where is everyone? 09:33 [MatrxMT] most americans are asleep, most europeans are at work/school, and anyway, people tend to talk only when they see an interesting question or topic 09:39 honkisakamoto So, I think I am the only one who live in Asia 09:39 [MatrxMT] i... might be 09:40 honkisakamoto Yea, You can save it 09:40 [MatrxMT] it is mostly asia & oceania at the moment 09:40 honkisakamoto I see 09:41 honkisakamoto So, o yea, I just realized I chat on the #luanti lol 09:41 honkisakamoto Are you play luanti still? 09:42 [MatrxMT] not this very minute, but I played Labyrinthus earlier 09:42 [MatrxMT] https://content.luanti.org/packages/1248/labyrinthus/ 09:42 honkisakamoto You just recently played Luanti 09:43 [MatrxMT] yes, just today 09:43 honkisakamoto I think I missed something, since I wasn't playing luanti 2 years ago 09:44 honkisakamoto Someone has Disconnected 09:44 honkisakamoto And reconnected 09:44 [MatrxMT] people connect, people disconnect, it happens all the time 09:45 honkisakamoto My English is still broken, I don't have time to fix it XD 09:45 [MatrxMT] well Luanti has gotten better better version 5.9 in 2024 and 5.17 in 2026 09:45 [MatrxMT] *better between 09:46 honkisakamoto Yea, That's fire! 09:46 honkisakamoto I think, just logged in to Luanti game. 09:47 honkisakamoto And also, I will not forget the older name of luanti, Minetest. 09:47 honkisakamoto I wondered, Why It's name changed 09:47 [MatrxMT] We will definitely remember Minetest. It's nostalgic for a lot of people 09:49 [MatrxMT] you could read the blog post https://blog.luanti.org/2024/10/13/Introducing-Our-New-Name/ 09:50 cheapie honkisakamoto: Long story short, it's part of the "it's not just for block games, we swear, even though it totally is" thing the core devs have been saying for ages now 09:51 [MatrxMT] to me, the word "test" in the name does *not* inspire confidence 09:51 cheapie And the rebrand didn't go particularly well, it's probably the most frequently deadnamed piece of software I've ever seen 09:52 [MatrxMT] I had the misfortune of reading another `local core = minetest` in a mod today 09:52 Izzy critical support for luanti in this trying time 09:52 [MatrxMT] oh god 09:52 honkisakamoto I am understand it right now 09:52 [MatrxMT] what about the people running 0.4.5??? 09:53 [MatrxMT] I dare you to try 10 random mods off ContentDB on 0.4.5 and see if they work 09:53 * cheapie gives Blockhead256 core.env:add_node() 09:53 [MatrxMT] it's like a silver bullet for coredevs 09:53 cheapie For when you can't decide if you're writing for a current version or an ancient one :P 09:54 honkisakamoto I haven't touch that since 2024 09:55 honkisakamoto Do you have tried PVP on luanti? 09:55 honkisakamoto Guys? 09:55 cheapie I basically always have damage turned off entirely 09:55 [MatrxMT] yes and it's apple eating simulator extreme 09:56 cheapie Even on the survival server I run, damage is disabled 09:56 honkisakamoto Owh lol, my bad 😂 09:56 cheapie I have better things to do than getting blown up by random mobs and trying to figure out if a fall will be survivable or not 09:57 honkisakamoto Yea, that's suck 09:57 honkisakamoto Also, IRC, can we talk about it here? 09:57 cheapie I mean, you're /on/ IRC... 09:58 honkisakamoto Yea 09:58 honkisakamoto Even though It's old, It still used today 10:00 [MatrxMT] it just works (tm) 10:00 honkisakamoto ™ 10:01 cheapie I like that the system requirements to get /some/ form of IRC client running are basically just "computer" 10:02 honkisakamoto Wait! I just realized. 10:02 honkisakamoto Is this server connected to a server? 10:02 MTDiscord perhaps 10:02 Ingar ignore what discord calls "server" 10:03 honkisakamoto I mean, IRC Server to Minetest Server 10:03 honkisakamoto Owh, So it's discord server 10:03 cheapie This channel no, but there are other ones that are 10:03 [MatrxMT] IRC exists in rooms. This room is not connected to any Luanti server, but some servers have chat connected an IRC room 10:03 cheapie #ve-minetest-servers on this network is bridged to a channel on another network that has a few Luanti servers connected to it 10:03 honkisakamoto Yea, I understand 10:04 [MatrxMT] this is an IRC room but Matrix and Discord are "bridged" to it 10:04 * cheapie stares at Blockhead256 until they stop calling channels "rooms" :P 10:04 honkisakamoto How did you do that? 10:04 [MatrxMT] oops 10:04 cheapie honkisakamoto: The /me command 10:05 * honkisakamoto test 10:05 cheapie like that 10:05 honkisakamoto Ahh I see 10:07 honkisakamoto Hopefully I can find Somebody that live on same country on this room 10:08 Ingar japan ? 10:08 honkisakamoto Nope, That's my OC's name. 10:08 * cheapie hears something about Japan, emits https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2026-08-08%2021-04-06.webm 10:09 [MatrxMT] how do you even find all these files when they just have timestamp names? 10:09 [MatrxMT] Indonesia? 10:09 honkisakamoto I won't reserve my real name 10:10 cheapie Usually I have some vague idea of about when the file I want is from, then I click through each one until I find the one I want 10:10 honkisakamoto Wait! How did you know that?! 10:10 [MatrxMT] magic of timezones 10:10 cheapie And that railroad crossing is (a vague approximation of) a Japanese one, although I think several other Asian countries use similar designs too 10:10 [MatrxMT] because there's millions of people in indonesia, and yes, timezones :P 10:11 honkisakamoto Huh? Can you see that on IRC? 10:12 honkisakamoto Oh, nevermind 10:12 [MatrxMT] I probably could see your IP address but I'm not actually on IRC 10:13 [MatrxMT] https://libera.chat/guides/cloaks 10:13 cheapie They're cloaked already 10:13 [MatrxMT] oic 10:14 [MatrxMT] yeah anyway at this time of day 1st guess japan, 2nd indonesia 10:14 honkisakamoto That was QUIC 10:14 honkisakamoto I mean, Quick 10:15 [MatrxMT] I mean shoutout to all the Luanti players in Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Brunei and East Timor, but, stastically there aren't many of you 10:16 honkisakamoto Yea, That's sad thing that so many Indonesian doesn't know Luanti (Formerly Minetest) 10:17 honkisakamoto Should I join The Discord Server? 10:17 honkisakamoto Just Asking 10:18 [MatrxMT] join the everything lol https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=29985 10:19 honkisakamoto Everything!!! 😂😂😂😂 10:28 honkisakamoto honkisakamoto: testing mentioning on the IRC 10:28 honkisakamoto nothing happened :3 10:42 [MatrxMT] CDB has 3446 packages, with a total of 24,577,925 downloads. 10:42 [MatrxMT] Well that's sad, not everybody in Australia has had the opportunity to download a ContentDB package :P 10:47 honkisakamoto @Blockhead256[MatrxMT]: Is unaccessable? 10:47 [MatrxMT] hehe no, it's just a comparison of population to another big number 10:48 honkisakamoto Blockhead256[MatrxMT]: I understand it right now 11:06 honkisakamoto Wow, They even have IRC logs on their web https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5xydIcz4/Screenshot_2026-08-27-18-04-42-935_com.android.chrome.jpg 11:12 [MatrxMT] yes, this is why IRC is better, you can find it on Google unlike Discord :) 11:41 honkisakamoto Lemme just relogin 11:41 honkisakamoto Done! 12:20 Guest68 Hi all, looking for a quick recommendation - my kids have a seed that can create island chain type worlds and using the Draconis mod they've got their only little Isle of Berk 12:20 Guest68 We've experimented with some village mods but no success so far with villagers - does anyone have any suggestions? 12:25 [MatrxMT] the strongest villagers I know of aren't in separate mods but in base games like Mineclonia and Repixture 12:26 Guest68 Ahhh, in which case I'll look at those two games 12:29 Guest68 Thanks for the tip 12:30 [MatrxMT] np 18:30 technomancy honkisakamoto: IRC doesn't send you back your own messages, so that's why mentioning yourself doesn't work 18:30 technomancy also, selamat datang 18:35 Krock though works if you use a relay such as ZNC 19:07 MTDiscord who took down the luanti app? 19:09 celeron55 the usual suspect, microsoft 19:10 MTDiscord Must resist using gif 19:10 celeron55 with their usual helpers, google and tracer 19:10 [MatrxMT] accomplices 19:10 MTDiscord https://klipy.com/gifs/fuck-o365 19:10 MTDiscord It was too strong of an urge 19:11 MTDiscord "Our ai system encountered an issue with your code, it look like block, only we can do block" 19:11 celeron55 but, actually all that happened was that google removed the app from their crappy store. just download it elsewhere and it's as if nothing happened 19:11 celeron55 play store has only as much authority as you give it 19:11 MTDiscord https://blog.luanti.org/2026/08/27/luanti-dmca-tracer-ai/ 19:12 MTDiscord blog post is up 19:12 MTDiscord go go go go go 19:12 MTDiscord Oh you mean the store that keeps trying to push discounts, subscriptions, and borderline malware on the front page? 19:13 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> give me dark mode for the blog post so i don't get blinded please 19:14 MTDiscord I agree 19:14 MTDiscord PRs welcome 19:14 technomancy google's not my real dad! 19:14 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> Wo ist die Quelle? 19:15 MTDiscord (I also use dark reader though so I don't notice it quite as much 😄) 19:15 MTDiscord https://github.com/luanti-org/blog 19:15 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> vielen dank 19:15 MTDiscord it uses... some css framework, don't remember which one, maybe it has built-in css dark mode support if you do something with it 19:17 MTDiscord Find what extension or addon in your ide makes your life easier and grab a shovel zenon 19:17 MTDiscord I know that face all too well lmao 19:18 MTDiscord Microsoft is setting up a great framework for if this gets taken to court and they lose 19:19 MTDiscord It's linux all over again :perfecto: 19:19 technomancy yeah, the luanti legal team will have a field day over thi--wait what do you mean luanti doesn't have a legal team? 19:20 MTDiscord You are forgetting the power of news, empathy, and donations 19:21 MTDiscord This makes me a bit too uncomfortable, I'll have to do something 19:22 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> actually someone should contact Leonard J. French - he specializes in copyright cases in the US 19:22 technomancy nothing wins court cases like news, empathy, and donations 19:23 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> he helps a lot with stuff like this, he may be able to offer some legal advice pro-bono even: https://leonardjfrench.com @rollerozxa pinging you cause you seem online - I'm serious 19:24 MTDiscord hmm, interesting 19:25 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> he has a youtube channel, has experience with video games too, i think there was another lawyer, but he seems like a fairly honest and decent guy 19:26 MTDiscord I've forwarded it to the rest of the comms team, we'll look into it 19:35 MTDiscord when Claude Sonnet decides your app is going off the play store for having a voxel in it 19:42 MTDiscord @rollerozxa has the EFF said anything about tracer.ai? I've heard the name before, this seems like something they would be interested in, the issue of course with legal action is it does not get the game onto the play store any faster than a counter notification, ultimately it's more of a question if someone would be interested in representing people harmed by Trace.AI's policies and play wack-a-mole with the waves of slop LLMs have brought 19:42 MTDiscord us 19:44 MTDiscord Software Freedom Law Center maybe but they are more on open source licenses being infringed 19:44 MTDiscord FSF/FSFE don't really do legal work 19:45 technomancy at least not for non-GNU projects 19:46 MTDiscord yeah even then without class certification this is a awful lot of money for a single violation 19:47 technomancy burn the play store to the ground imo 19:47 MTDiscord I'll ask Claude how to burn down an idea 19:48 MTDiscord Claude am I cool? Claude tell me I am cool 19:49 MTDiscord Well more of grok question really, gotta give Elon Musk one thing, both his actual children and the LLM he had someone build to replace them have a tendency to hate him. 19:49 technomancy "no, officer, what I meant was, burn the play store to the ground *in minecraft*" 19:50 MTDiscord "officer, Claude told me to do it" 19:56 MTDiscord that's why I don't really buy it being neutral and just how you use it, "neutral technology" is fair to use for advanced biochemical research or dual use nuclear physics 19:56 technomancy oh yeah absolutely; everyone who says it's neutral is just making excuses 19:56 MTDiscord LLMs are that, they have clear implications that are rooted in the technology itself, that you can't get away from, they will always shift power upwards 19:57 [MatrxMT]_ officer it wasn't me who put the security backdoor trust 19:57 MTDiscord I'm sure there's someone saying nuclear weapons are neutral and it's just how you use them (project plowshare) 19:57 MTDiscord Backdoor exists for security reasons moment 19:57 MTDiscord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare 19:58 [MatrxMT]_ we put remote internet access in our products to protect from and patch remote vulnerabilities 19:58 MTDiscord and it's not even like we didn't get good things out of nuclear weapons development, but a handful of states being able to kill millions of people in minutes is very far from neutral and just how you use it 19:58 MTDiscord Nuclear bombs for peace ?? You gotta be kidding me... 20:00 MTDiscord you don't have to be a Luddite that thinks nuclear weapons should never be used again to acknowledge that it centralized power in nuclear armed states over non-nuclear states 20:01 MTDiscord ggepic64: they had too many nuclear devices and no idea what to do with them 20:01 Krock There are no more wars when everyone is dead. 20:01 [MatrxMT]_ at least killing everyone ends world hunger 20:03 sfan5 21:11 play store has only as much authority as you give it 20:04 sfan5 thats until google prevents you from installing out-of-store apps 20:04 MTDiscord aren't apps allowed to update themselves now? 20:04 MTDiscord even outside the play store 20:04 MTDiscord They couldn't just disassemble them and recycle them into exploitable materials that may burn and power a plant :thonking: 20:04 technomancy f-droid for the win 20:06 MTDiscord AI moderated apps is the worst part. Who knows if Gogol is still deploying human moderators on the Store anymore ? 20:06 MTDiscord C64: that was megatons to megawatts 20:06 MTDiscord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatons_to_Megawatts_Program 20:06 [MatrxMT]_ sorry your app is too blocky 20:07 MTDiscord later than plowshare iirc 20:07 MTDiscord What about OS and hardware ?.. 20:08 MTDiscord yeah PS ended in '77 and megatones to megawatts was '92 to '13 20:08 MTDiscord we made too much enriched uranium... or we made too much enriched uranium? Oh no... 20:08 [MatrxMT]_ real life is slowly turning into technic 20:09 MTDiscord well you gotta do something with it, or it would have ended up sold to developing nuclear powers like Iran or North Korea or who have you, I don't actually know what the status of the NK and Iranian nuclear weapons development programs were in '91 20:10 celeron55 sfan5: yeah that's the small print. i still don't quite believe they will manage to force everyone to it though 20:12 MTDiscord looks like the NK weapons program had started by that point as was the Iranian program 20:13 sfan5 I believe there are concrete plans and timelines to introduce something like apple's notarizations 20:13 sfan5 so no more installing random APKs 20:13 technomancy more like no more spending even half a second considering buying a non-graphene phone 20:14 MTDiscord sfan5 yes it's September 30 of this year for the test set of markets https://developer.android.com/developer-verification 20:14 celeron55 graphene is the most ironic OS ever. because it only supports google's own phones 20:14 user333_ i am one step up from a grapheneOS phone, i can run almost *anything* on my linux phone 20:14 MTDiscord clearly they are going to hold back on global rollout till they see how it goes in those markets but the deadline is pretty clear 20:15 [MatrxMT]_ who uses a phone when you can use a laptop 20:15 user333_ too many people, unfortunately 20:16 celeron55 i'd say /e/OS is more relevant than graphene 20:16 MTDiscord that said, you can still like sideload 20:16 MTDiscord I don't think they will actually back track on that 20:16 MTDiscord it just stops being a viable way to distribute applications for end users since you will need a power cycle and stuff 20:17 MTDiscord https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/03/android-developer-verification.html 21:54 MTDiscord celeron55: for now it's easy to sidestep playstore, it's not clear whether that will change, see https://keepandroidopen.org/ 21:55 MTDiscord also whether we like it or not, play store is still where most mobile users are, most of which probably just won't bother if they can't even install luanti easily 22:07 MTDiscord google has said it will require a reboot bypass developer verification 22:08 MTDiscord so for now won't worry that much about it 22:08 MTDiscord I mean their android devices still ship with an unlockable bootloader 22:09 MTDiscord obviously there's some conflict of interest there with them also running the app store but I think they actually are worried about phishing while not wanting to fully lock down the platform 22:38 red-001 has anyone thought about applying for a port number allocation for Luanti? 22:40 red-001 UDP 30000 sadly is reserved 22:41 user333_ yeah i was going to say, good luck getting 30000 22:41 red-001 someone got TCP 30000 in 2013! 22:44 red-001 user333_: 30005 is still up for grabs as is the much less desirable 29998 22:44 MTDiscord red-001: thought about yes, but nothing besides that :p 22:44 user333_ try getting a numeric representation of "lua" or "luanti" ? 22:44 red-001 user333_: can you give an example? 22:45 user333_ hold on a sec 22:48 user333_ if you convert "lua" to a number by position in the alphabet you get 12211 22:48 red-001 122101 is out of range 12211 is free 22:49 red-001 12173-12299 Unassigned 22:49 red-001 12211 isn't terrible tbh 22:50 red-001 @luatic well what's stopping you 22:50 red-001 the ICANN paperwork can't be *that* bad 22:51 user333_ 12211 is pretty memorable yes 22:51 red-001 better than 30000 tbh 22:54 red-001 I always felt 30000 suffered from poor transition spacing 22:54 red-001 is that 30000 is that 300000 you typed in, who knows! 22:55 user333_ i definitely typed 3000 or 300000 when i was getting used to it 22:56 red-001 RLL for human type numbers should really be no more than 2 or 3 repeated symbols 22:56 red-001 12211 however does maybe suffer from is that 22112 or 12112 or 122211, etc 22:58 MTDiscord i think we should strive for a large range? 22:58 MTDiscord 30300+ seem to be free 22:58 red-001 I'm not sure how many ports ICANN would give out for one bit of software 22:59 red-001 unless by large you mean like 5 or 10 which maybe doable yeah 23:02 user333_ 12211-12299 is unassigned so best case scenario you could get 88 ports, though very unlikely 23:02 red-001 that's a bad number to get 23:17 Sheriff_U3 Does ContentDB now support badges in the long description? 23:55 honkisakamoto Good morning guys 23:55 Sheriff_U3 Good evening 23:59 honkisakamoto It almost 7 o'clock here. 23:59 Sheriff_U3 same 23:59 Sheriff_U3 but mine is PM 23:59 user333_ 9PM here 23:59 honkisakamoto Antre Merediem