Time Nick Message 03:30 MTDiscord Oh no c55's PC might be in trouble with these increased settings! 05:49 MTDiscord Why? Doesn't it have any GPU? 07:16 sfan5 sure hope c55 is not on a celeron cpu anymore 07:26 MTDiscord Or upgraded his pc with 54 more celerons :thinksmirk: 12:16 Izzy > 54 more celerons 12:16 Izzy larabee moment 13:11 Ingar Izzy: lol my thoughts exactly 13:49 cheapie sfan5: Celeron D 355 *nods* :P 13:49 cheapie Or maybe Celeron G550 15:41 [MatrxMT] he should upgrade to a c56 15:42 * cheapie upgrades birdlover32767 to birdlover-32768 15:42 user333_ i have run luanti on a (modern) celeron 15:43 user333_ it took like 20min to compile but ran quite well on the intel hd graphics (tm) 15:43 cheapie Still better than the ~12 hours it takes to compile just the server on a SiS 550 15:44 * user333_ introduces cheapie to crosscompiling 15:44 cheapie but that's no fun :P 15:44 [MatrxMT] I SPENT 100 DAYS COMPILING LUANTI BY HAND... (COREDEVS CAME) 15:44 user333_ average youtube video title 15:44 [MatrxMT] to be fair simulating all the instructions would take like 5 years 15:45 cheapie Now I wonder, if I get Linux running on RVController someday, how many years Luanti would take to compile on _that_ 15:45 user333_ try it on a RISC-V VM in lua + luajit, that will give you the best possible result 19:36 celeron55 for the record, i use an i7-11850H. i've never ran luanti on the celeron machine my nickname is based on. i think it was a SEPP packaged 366MHz Celeron Mendocino, and the motherboard allowed overclocking it to 550MHz 19:36 celeron55 i still have it though 19:45 cheapie D: 19:45 cheapie Time to see if you can get it running :D 19:54 [MatrxMT] release luanti 1.0.0 when it drops below 30fps on a celeron 20:21 rubenwardy I have a celeron under my bed 20:25 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> ? 20:25 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1553140293979734046/26-09-25-21-24-46-Celeron_-_Wikipedia_-_Vivaldi.png?ex=6ab82a1e&is=6ab6d89e&hm=98ca2668935f8545a190504d82fd3ba0cb710a88b3235f6c6d9c856f44731556& 20:26 user333_ i have a crappy celeron n4000 laptop motherboard i should do something with, unfortunately it doesn't have ethernet so i can't easily use it as a server 20:26 rubenwardy Occasionally I kick my celeron but it doesn't do much anymore:( 20:27 cheapie I have a 566MHz Coppermine-128 Celeron somewhere, maybe I should try to get Luanti running on that sometime 20:28 Izzy it took a While to compile it on the powermac G5. runs _almost_ okay on the GF 7600GS 21:26 MTDiscord I recently upgraded to a workhorse that manages a Luanti release build in a minute :) 21:27 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> that poor horse 21:27 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> but also in this economy? you must be rich 21:31 MTDiscord It did cost me a fair sum, though I kept it below 1k. The RAM prices are eye watering but unfortunately it doesn't look like it's getting better... 21:33 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> yeah who knew AI likes to eat ram, new delicacy i guess 21:33 * user333_ dangles his 64gb ddr4 in front of an LLM 21:34 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> under 1k is impressive though, i was looking at potential programming upgrade for my am5, and its still gonna cost like 400gbp at least 21:35 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> i was lucky to get 64gb of ddr5 just a year before prices skyrocketed too :P now im praying it never goes bad 21:37 user333_ i got my RAM for free in the middle of the price chaos, it was gifted to me 21:38 user333_ anyway, it builds luanti + luantiserver in 1m17s, though i suspect that's due to disk read/write limitations 21:39 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> at 64gb, and even probably 32gb, the bottleneck is almost certainly your cpu, not RAM., 21:39 MTDiscord <.zenonseth> i guess unless you're running something insane, idk 🤷 21:39 user333_ it's running from a 2018 hard drive, so that's likely the bottleneck 21:40 user333_ i'm testing it from a ramdisk now 21:42 user333_ a few seconds faster but not worth the effort 21:53 [MatrxMT] ramdis hardly helps against the file cache. SSD will be much faster, especially if it's NVMe, against a cold start, but warm starts are often comparable with the file cache 21:55 user333_ unfortunately i have no SSDs for my main PC (aside from the one in my laptop, but then i don't have a working laptop) 21:56 user333_ and i'd rather have things load for a few extra seconds then spend money on an SSD these days 21:59 [MatrxMT] fair. I managed to snag 3 bargain basement 2 TB SSDs before the price explosion. Actually they were a bit cheaper than HDDs, so it was a no-brainer 23:05 * cheapie looks around her bedroom at three computers with hard drives, all doing their thing 23:05 cheapie I've been hammering that 20TB HDD with stuff for quite a while now :P 23:06 cheapie (the HM-SMR one, the HC650 - still running XFS on it, still working great) 23:06 [MatrxMT] hard drives in the bedroom? hope you don't wanna sleep in there 23:09 user333_ my main PC has *two* hard drives, one from 2012 and one from 2018 (boot drive, also the newest hdd i have..) and it's in my bedroom :D 23:10 cheapie Blockhead256: But the hard drive noise makes that easier 23:10 [MatrxMT] different types I guess 23:10 [MatrxMT] of people 23:10 user333_ depends on the noise too 23:11 user333_ one of my drives makes a very high-pitched whine at times (probably not good) 23:11 [MatrxMT] literally I ditched my last WD Red (yeah, already a loud drive to put in a desktop...) because it started continuously whining and it was damaging my hearing 23:12 cheapie One of the true-WD Red ones or a rebadged HGST? 23:13 cheapie FWIW the HC650 I have here (and I think all other WD Ultrastar drives) is one of the HGST-derived ones, they make more noise than the others 23:13 [MatrxMT] uhh it was bought like 2022ish, 6 TB model, fairly sure it was a good drive not SMR 23:13 [MatrxMT] didn't dive deep enough to know about origin of manufacture 23:14 cheapie If it's that recent and 6TB it's /probably/ a "pure" WD, those are actually the quieter ones 23:15 cheapie If you have the full model number (including after the dash) I can check for sure 23:15 [MatrxMT] I'm good thanks, it's a retired drive after all 23:16 cheapie fair :P 23:17 cheapie Here's what the HC650 sounds like: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/hc650-activity-2.opus 23:17 [MatrxMT] lesson learned though, NAS drives are loud. I do actually like being able to hear storage activity though, it's like a warning sign. Like I know just how much storage firefox churns when it starts due to disk sounds 23:17 cheapie This one /is/ SMR but it's HM-SMR 23:17 [MatrxMT] hmm that's pretty pointy sounding 23:18 cheapie My other HM-SMR drive (Seagate ST14000NM0007) actually has an even... sharper(?) sound 23:19 * user333_ takes a look at the hard drive in his main PC 23:29 user333_ pretty generic 1TB hard drive, had no issues with it so far https://x0.at/5vSZ.JPG 23:32 user333_ it held all my backups until the terrible day i ran the wrong command and then it held nothing 23:33 [MatrxMT] woah that's a lot of pixels 23:34 user333_ my camera is the only thing that takes actually good pictures (excepting my phone but the driver for the camera in it is kind of broken on postmarketOS) 23:55 cheapie user333_: Pharaoh Oasis family, good drives, but strangely enough they're contact-start/stop despite being that recent. The 1TB one you have there is the largest-capacity CSS drive ever made 23:57 cheapie Basically a souped-up version of the Barracuda 7200.12 from 2008 23:59 user333_ i'm not sure what most of those words mean but i'll take it as "it's a good hard drive" :D 23:59 cheapie good but old-fashioned 23:59 user333_ it is from 2018, so like 2-3 years ago.. oh wait