Time  Nick       Message
00:56 MTDiscord  <theidealist> just press w with middle finger and f with index finger? easy from the WASD position
12:07 sfan5      it looks like we will unfortunately be disabling SDL for the release again
12:07 sfan5      unless there's a combined effort to get the scancode thing out the door
12:12 [MatrxMT]  <y5nw> I mean, the scancode PR is still open for review, but given that some people here (including me) prefer having some other PRs (secondary keybindings, modifier keys) go along with it (which will take time as well) I would also suggest disabling SDL again. Such a combined effort can come after the release though to make sure we get it into 5.12
13:05 MTDiscord  <exe_virus> Agree making it the focus of 5.12 is a good idea
15:11 SFENCE     Merging #15002 in 15m
15:11 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/15002 -- [no squash] Check for indent spaces by sfence
16:07 rubenwardy Could always release 5.12 earlier if SDL is worked on after 5.11 :)
16:15 [MatrxMT]  <Zughy> it's probably better if we stick to the schedule: less mental fatigue
16:15 [MatrxMT]  <Zughy> with SDL2 disabled, are we also reverting opengl3?
16:16 sfan5      there's no connection between the two anymore
16:17 sfan5      however there's #15635 or #15524
16:17 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/15635 -- OpenGL3 breaks shadows on leave-like nodes, players, ...
16:17 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/15524 -- 2D images are distorted with opengl3 driver
16:17 [MatrxMT]  <Zughy> which is why I was asking
16:19 sfan5      undecided 🤷
16:35 MTDiscord  <herowl> Tbh I'd disable ogl3 in that state; IMHO sdl2 is more bug-free than ogl3
17:02 MTDiscord  <zeminori> It's different things tho
17:02 MTDiscord  <zeminori> Irrlicht device vs video_driver
18:16 MTDiscord  <herowl> So what?
21:38 [MatrxMT]  <grorp> we're saved https://github.com/libsdl-org/SDL/releases/tag/release-3.2.0 :))
21:39 [MatrxMT]  <grorp> (well, packaged versions are a thing too though)
21:40 [MatrxMT]  <grorp> still funny that we've managed to discuss this without agreeing on approach so long that SDL 3 is already released now
21:42 MTDiscord  <rollerozxa> give it 5 years or so and SDL3 will be available in debian too :))
23:11 MTDiscord  <herowl> You don't think it's beyond us to bikeshed it until then, do you?
23:38 [MatrxMT]  <Zughy> milestone updated, everything SDL2-related has been removed. Opengl3 is still there https://github.com/minetest/minetest/milestone/25