Time  Nick         Message
00:00 Fixer        http://www.mdgx.com/upd98me.php
00:00 Fixer        http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#98SE
00:01 Fixer        http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/118097-day-to-day-running-win-9xme-with-more-than-1-gib-ram/
00:10 garywhite    I want to get you guys' opinion, I want to start a server to hold my school stuff, & I have an option to run either Windows 2000 or Ubuntu. Which is the better choice (I have all Windows PCs & the server would not be connected to the Internet). I also have WinXP Pro, but idk if that'd be the best for a file storage
00:11 bigfoot547   Ubuntu.
00:11 red-001      ubuntu
00:11 red-001      unless you like kinda sort of retro stuff
00:12 garywhite    Well, the machine only has an 80GB HDD, so I don't want to try to install anything newer than XP cause of the sheer size of 7/8/10
00:12 red-001      well I suppose it could depend
00:13 red-001      if you need windows spesific stuff use windows 2000
00:15 garywhite    what about XP Pro?
00:15 * Jordach    just considers installing 2000
00:15 Jordach      but i got ME running at 1024x768 with full acceleration without guest addons
00:19 garywhite    I think I'll use XP Pro, since that way I can remote desktop in over the network if I want to
00:19 garywhite    That with ClamWin & I should be set
00:20 Stone-Talus  eww ClamWare
00:21 garywhite    Well, I could install Norton from my ISP, but my dad can't get it to work on his XP tower
00:21 Stone-Talus  EWWW NORTON
00:21 Stone-Talus  EVEN WORSE
00:22 bigfoot547   Zonealarm is better.
00:22 bigfoot547   Has there ever been an antivirus for linux?
00:22 bigfoot547   Excluding mac
00:23 Stone-Talus  bigfoot547, linux generally doesnt need it because of the amount of people, changes, and it being open to changes
00:23 red-001      bigfoot547, you forgot to exclude android
00:24 red-001      and mac isn't even linux it's some other unix
00:54 benrob0329   OSX is Unix, with bits of the userland taken from FreeBSD
01:44 Shara        Yay. Back to my silly "things need to be written properly" PRs.
01:45 Shara        I wonder how many ridiculously trivial things I find :)
01:57 * garywhite  finishes installing Windows XP on his system & proceed to install...you guessed it...Office XP
09:37 cx384        hi DS-minetest
09:37 DS-minetest  hi
11:05 Fixer        garywhite: ubuntu*
12:38 Jordach      http://i.imgur.com/A5wG83y.jpg
12:41 * Jordach    can hear the duck tales theme played on a kazoo
12:41 Jordach      :thinking:
13:00 Fixer        PART FISH @ PART GIRL
14:36 Bobr2        hiya all
14:37 shivajiva    Hi Bobr
14:37 Bobr2        u ok shiva
14:38 shivajiva    mhm
15:04 Bobr2        can any one recomend a good irc bot that is reliable please
15:05 nerzhul      mybot
15:05 nerzhul      :p
15:05 nerzhul      (it's my CPP bot with lua bindings :p)
15:06 nerzhul      (it can also connects to slack :p)
15:06 Bobr2        lol never learnt lua
15:06 nerzhul      you cannot play minetest without lua :p
15:06 Bobr2        ;p
15:08 Bobr2        reason why i never learnt it is i dont have the attention to sit there and read everything i like people going through it with me XD
15:19 lisac        <Bobr2> reason why i never learnt it is i dont have the attention to sit there and read everything i like people going through it with me XD
15:20 lisac        no need to, just figure out basic if/else, while, for loops
15:20 lisac        and if you need anything more, you can just google it
15:20 Bobr2        ah ok :)
15:20 * lisac      > Opeth - The Moor  - [ Still Life #1 ] - [ 02:57 / 11:25 ]
16:23 Bobr2        question what does onlyinfomessages mean
16:27 shivajiva    it means it will only log events marked info in the general sense, logging usually has levels like error/debug/action/info
16:29 Bobr2        ah ok there might be a few questions if anything comes up lol
16:29 shivajiva    I'm afk for a while shortly
16:29 Bobr2        ok
17:13 Shara        Hello all
17:13 Krock        ty Bobr2
17:13 Krock        hi Shara, everybody else
17:14 Shara        Hi Krock :)
17:14 Bobr2        np
17:21 garywhite    hello
17:30 Bobr2        hi
17:32 red-001      oh hi paramat
17:32 red-001      is there a reason there isn't a limit on the size of the book or did someone forget to add one/it broke
17:38 paramat      don't know :]
17:39 Bobr2        i seem to find /memo serv much easier then a /msg
17:40 red-001      lol
17:40 red-001      how?
17:41 Bobr2        how to memo serv or how it easier
17:41 red-001      how it is easier
17:42 Bobr2        because if they go off line they get informed when they logon
17:46 twoelk       books aren't limited? cool, wonder if the bible fits into a minetest book
17:49 benrob0329   Oh hey, you can order a US Linux layout from Unicomp
18:03 Bobr2        red-001
18:04 red-001      yes?
18:04 Bobr2        we talking about xdecor or default books
18:04 red-001      eh default
18:04 Bobr2        okay thanks
18:05 red-001      but anything that stores stuiply large amounts of data in item metadata is at risk
18:06 red-001      and book mods have a bad habbit of doing that
18:06 Bobr2        think that could effect ownerhack:tool since that can change the meta data
18:06 twoelk       nooo - lots of data in books can't be a bad habit
18:07 * twoelk     looks at his shelves of books
18:07 Bobr2        lol
18:08 twoelk       is default books data stored in the map blob? isn't that limited by design?
18:08 sfan5        metadata values are limited to 64k bytes by design
18:10 red-001      I have a feeling someone didn't tell that to whoever was working on dropped items
18:10 Bobr2        i actualy have an idea
18:11 Bobr2        make it so the book cannot be dropped out of the inventory
18:13 twoelk       so when I die I keep my books but loose everything else?
18:13 twoelk       if the server is set thus
18:13 Raven262     Sounds fun.
18:13 Bobr2        didnt think about that
18:13 rubenwardy   nah, I don't like that
18:13 rubenwardy   Really it would be good for the book's content to not be stored in the meta - but in a separate database
18:14 rubenwardy   with reference counting
18:14 twoelk       like the gutenberg mod or the wiki mod?
18:15 rubenwardy   it would work exactly the same way to the user
18:15 rubenwardy   but it would be more efficient (less copying) and safer (less chance of deleting)
18:15 rubenwardy   ie, a moderator could recover a book
18:15 rubenwardy   if they chose not to autodelete on reference = 0
18:19 Bobr2        =O = not good
18:20 red-001      you see that would be a good idea
18:20 red-001      there is more slight issue
18:20 red-001      one*
18:20 red-001      someone needs to implement it
18:22 Krock        how come the gcc linker is so much faster than MSVC? It took up to three minutes to link all libraries/compiled sources and now on Linux it's like 10s
18:22 * Krock      = confused
18:22 Krock        hi kaeza
18:22 kaeza        hi tenplus1
18:22 kaeza        oops
18:22 kaeza        :P
18:22 kaeza        heyo Krock
18:22 Krock        kek
18:23 kaeza        how's it going?
18:24 Krock        just fine, thanks :)
18:24 Krock        how about you?
18:25 Calinou      hi
18:25 Krock        o/ Calinou
18:25 Calinou      I just got an email, I'm accepted into the university I wanted to continue my studies in :)
18:25 Bobr2        o/
18:25 Bobr2        well done
18:25 Krock        wow nice, congrats.
18:25 Calinou      now I need to get my degree at this university (ie. pass my internship)
18:25 kaeza        Krock, fine I guess
18:26 Krock        kaeza, "I guess"??
18:26 kaeza        coding a blog/wiki/whatever in Python
18:26 Krock        hssss sshsssss
18:27 kaeza        going insane looking at those dangling code blocks with no end markers :(
18:27 Krock        sounds interesting. Python alone won't be enough, so there's going to be a HTML page around it?
18:27 kaeza        of course :P
18:27 Bobr2        thats one thing i can do HTML XD
18:28 Krock        who knows... telnet webblog
18:28 kaeza        that would be nice too
18:28 kaeza        thanks for the idea :P
18:29 kaeza        it's a monolithic Python script (well, monolithic as far as Python goes)
18:29 kaeza        around 1000 lines of code
18:30 kaeza        I will publish it someday. it is interesting learning what's going on under the hood
18:31 Krock        well, if you're reaching 2000 lines you should consider to go away from this monolithic idea
18:31 Krock        the overview is quite hard in so large files
18:32 nerzhul      use django, and then paf a easy blog :p
18:32 kaeza        meh, Django looked like too much cruft for my needs
18:33 Calinou      "too much cruft"
18:33 kaeza        and I'm more interested in the educational aspect more than "grab some blocks and do it"
18:33 Calinou      inb4 ends up writing something as large as Django
18:33 Calinou      people making frameworks are *likely* more experienced than you, I think you should trust them :P
18:33 Calinou      it's often their job too
18:33 kaeza        of course
18:34 nerzhul      kaeza, it's interesting to understand a framework, but then you don't have tiem to maintain, there are security problems and you just need jekyll and django for your ruby/python usage
18:34 Bobr2        can any one suggest a good language to start learning coding with
18:35 kaeza        nerzhul, I don't intend to submit this to facebook or something for production
18:35 red-001      eh literaly any simple language
18:35 rubenwardy   sounds good, kaeza
18:35 Bobr2        such as?
18:35 rubenwardy   Flask is awesome
18:35 nerzhul      Bobr2, php is the best i think to learn
18:36 red-001      script lanaguages are so similar that learning one should make it easy enough to learn the other ones
18:36 rubenwardy   nah
18:36 nerzhul      Flask is very nice yes
18:36 rubenwardy   don't learn PHP
18:36 kaeza        ^
18:36 kaeza        Lua or Python are good
18:36 nerzhul      PHP is the most used langage with java, it's the advantage
18:36 red-001      depends on what you want to do
18:36 rubenwardy   doesn't mean it's the best to start with, nerzhul
18:36 nerzhul      Lua is not good to learn code because it has no object, in PHP you can do procedural and then go to POO
18:36 rubenwardy   Bobr2, how old are you?
18:36 rubenwardy   nerzhul, tables
18:36 Bobr2        15
18:36 kaeza        I myself started with BASIC on a ZX Spectrum :P
18:36 rubenwardy   hmmm
18:37 rubenwardy   you're on the older end to learn scratch
18:37 rubenwardy   I'd go with Python and/or C
18:37 red-001      ^
18:37 Bobr2        ill learn c
18:37 nerzhul      rubenwardy, what, tables ?
18:37 red-001      or if that doesn't work out give javascript a shot
18:37 red-001      node.js is pretty useful
18:37 nerzhul      C is not easy to start coding, it just shows you low level machine :p
18:37 nerzhul      nodejs is crap for newbies
18:37 nerzhul      callback is a specific coding
18:38 Bobr2        then flask?
18:38 rubenwardy   nerzhul, it's good as a second language
18:38 red-001      nerzhul, I guess it might be
18:38 red-001      I only abused node.js
18:38 kaeza        and it's good to know
18:38 rubenwardy   like, it should be a language you learn as a beginner as it teaches you about the machine
18:38 kaeza        sooner or later everything boils down to C[++]
18:38 rubenwardy   ^
18:38 nerzhul      rubenwardy, oh no, do JS in browser not on servers, nodejs is pure shit and is the worst high performance langage
18:39 rubenwardy   *red-001
18:39 nerzhul      nodejs servers under high load take too many time to do callback than runthem LOL
18:39 rubenwardy   citation
18:39 rubenwardy   also, node is clusterisable
18:39 nerzhul      rubenwardy, tested myself in production
18:39 nerzhul      lol
18:39 rubenwardy   with clusters?
18:39 nerzhul      every language is clusterisable, define what is a cluster ?
18:40 nerzhul      when you bench an app in different languages you should have SAME SYSTEM and SAME ressources and test it on a SINGLE node
18:40 nerzhul      nodejs is the most expensive technology in terms of infrastructure
18:40 Bobr2        ill try c++
18:40 rubenwardy   no, Bobr2
18:40 rubenwardy   don't do that as a starting language
18:40 kaeza        ^
18:40 rubenwardy   do C instead of C++
18:40 Bobr2        ok will do
18:40 rubenwardy   C++ is a clusterf***
18:40 kaeza        C++ is a cluster..
18:40 kaeza        ..
18:41 nerzhul      these days in web server in terms of performance if you have very good devs you have: python/ruby < nodejs < PHP 5 < PHP 7 < java < golang
18:41 nerzhul      and cluster only means multiple nodes
18:41 Bobr2        and code academy?? good place to learn it
18:41 nerzhul      if you make a app server clustered you just do the worst case app :p
18:41 kaeza        rubenwardy, ha
18:41 nerzhul      app should be stateless if you want to distribute your app
18:42 nerzhul      (crew me, at work we have 35 java applications in production across 150 servers)
18:42 nerzhul      we have legacy 10 years old monolith, younger two layer apps (front js + front web servce + back webserver) and now microservices
18:43 kaeza        http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/ars_longa_vita_brevis.png
18:43 kaeza        ^ oblig
18:43 nerzhul      https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2jdnsb/nodejs_is_cancer/
18:43 nerzhul      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12338365
18:44 rubenwardy   Controversial: I like JS as a language
18:44 nerzhul      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4495101
18:44 nerzhul      JS is a good language for browsers and the worst langauge for servers
18:44 rubenwardy   I prefer Python flask for more complicated backends though
18:44 nerzhul      for personnal project i agree flask is nice
18:45 nerzhul      for high performance without doubt: PHP 7.1, Java8, Golang or C++
18:45 nerzhul      Java8 with a netty app server
18:45 rubenwardy   I do PHP at work
18:45 nerzhul      which version ?
18:45 rubenwardy   it's not good
18:45 rubenwardy   mixed
18:45 rubenwardy   PHP5 mainly, newer ones are PHP7
18:45 nerzhul      it's not good if you do shit and your server admin forget to configure the PHP VM
18:45 nerzhul      nice
18:46 nerzhul      do you use frameworks like symfony or silex ?
18:46 rubenwardy   I mainly do Android though
18:46 rubenwardy   Symfony
18:46 nerzhul      nice
18:46 nerzhul      silex is a very nice webservice thing, like flask
18:46 nerzhul      and do you use doctrine and/or ORM ?
18:46 rubenwardy   doctrine
18:49 nerzhul      is APCu enabled on the web servers ? does PHP has sufficient memory ? is the database server correctly tuned (memory, indices, disks ?)
18:49 nerzhul      is PHP running on a UNIX server, Windows ? uses PHP-FPM or apache ?
18:50 nerzhul      APCu is a big performance enhancement if your code is tuned correctly, it's PHP bytecode
18:51 rubenwardy   it's a centos computer, with apache
18:51 nerzhul      it's more difficult to build maximum performance PHP app, as the language is very permissive and you can easily do real shit, unlike java or golang
18:51 rubenwardy   s/computer/server/g
18:51 nerzhul      okay :)
18:52 rubenwardy   production and staging, anyway
18:52 rubenwardy   for dev I use php-fpm
18:52 nerzhul      yeah FPM is sufficient for dev heh :)
18:52 nerzhul      and do you build your SQL queries or do you use doctrine ORM ?
18:52 rubenwardy   and I doubt the memory is enough, each page is like 2 seconds to load on the server
18:52 nerzhul      database loading is slow ?
18:52 rubenwardy   when I say "production" I mean the client's database
18:52 nerzhul      or is this disk problem ?
18:53 nerzhul      don't forget database needs to be loved
18:53 rubenwardy   like, staging is for internal testing, production for client testing
18:53 rubenwardy   doctrine ORM as much as possible, but there isn't that much data
18:53 nerzhul      then ORM is your problem
18:53 nerzhul      like in every language
18:54 nerzhul      ORM = OhRapemyMemory
18:54 rubenwardy   ORM is unnoticable in Python/Flask and Javascript/Sequelize
18:54 nerzhul      it depend on the dataset
18:54 nerzhul      ORM caches are the worst case and will load many data you don't need
18:55 rubenwardy   nah, the server's just awful
18:55 nerzhul      also ORM = you don't know what query is sent to server
18:55 nerzhul      => is the query using database indices ?
18:55 nerzhul      it's generally why ORM are bad: indices are not easy to track and you can do shit easily, you load more data than you need then memory usage is too huge
18:56 * Fixer      .oO(Incorporeal Visions Deluxe - è©© Desktop)
18:57 Calinou      ORMs are fine to me
18:57 Calinou      writing SQL by hand sucks
18:57 Calinou      face it :P
18:58 rubenwardy   for the size of the dataset, indices shouldn't matter
18:58 Calinou      (and can end up being insecure)
18:58 rubenwardy   like, a linear search would be unnoticable
18:58 Calinou      most people aren't making Facebook
18:58 Calinou      they're making tiny-scale sites
19:01 ircSparky    can I butt in for a sec?
19:02 nerzhul      Calinou, yeah i know many devs are like you, but at a moment when you have more than 10 row in your table (i talk about 1 million or more) ORM is just shit
19:02 kaeza        ircSparky, no :)
19:02 ircSparky    darn :P
19:02 kaeza        heyo
19:02 nerzhul      their intelligence trigger just high memory usage, server high useless loading times etc
19:02 shivajiva    make a space for ircSpark's butt :)
19:02 Bobr2        hey sparky
19:04 nerzhul      good dev = dev who care about where he interact, bad dev is dev who only thinks about his code, we had them at work, we fired them, they cost money by making infrastructure more expensive and they cost human money too because ORM problems trigger DBA and ops (i'm ops) time to find what shit they do with their ORM, then they cost too much :)
19:04 Fixer        amazing https://virtuallyfun.superglobalmegacorp.com/2017/06/14/hacking-flight-simulator-4-multiple-monitors/
19:05 shivajiva    nerzhul: nicely put
19:05 Calinou      I'm wary of "anti-something" cliques in programming in general
19:05 Calinou      it always hides something
19:06 kaeza        except PHP
19:06 kaeza        anti-PHP is fine
19:06 Calinou      no, it's not :P
19:06 kaeza        :P
19:06 nerzhul      ORM hides shit, keep your shit in your PC and don't send it to prod just that :p
19:06 rubenwardy   ORMs are good for update/insert, reduces copy+paste
19:06 nerzhul      and always care about your database it's your friend
19:06 nerzhul      ORM are shit for insert/updates :p
19:06 nerzhul      if you mean with databases
19:06 rubenwardy   a good dev writes maintainable code, and reduces work for themselves and others
19:07 shivajiva    ^
19:08 nerzhul      maintainable code which cost 5k per month is not maintable
19:08 nerzhul      you can do maintainable code which good code design and function, orm just permit to do easily PoC
19:09 nerzhul      and a good dev yes reduce work, but not by using ORM, just by adding unit tests, integration tests, comments and architecture docs
19:09 * Calinou    uses Webpack at his internship now :D
19:09 Calinou      but integrating obscure libraries (that aren't published to npm) with it is a mess :(
19:10 Calinou      even jQuery doesn't feel very clean to use with
19:10 Calinou      (it's fully supported though)
19:10 Calinou      also, ESLint and Stylelint
19:10 rubenwardy   for everything that doesn't have millions of users per day, ORM is a very good choice
19:10 nerzhul      we are software editor since 12 years and we estimated ~10% infrastructure cost per year is lost due to ORM usage
19:10 nerzhul      i have 20k users per day and only 200GB content databases
19:11 Calinou      did you sue Doctrine developers? :D
19:11 tenplus1     hi folks
19:11 nerzhul      my infrastructure is 150 servers and costs 650k€ per year
19:11 nerzhul      10% are lost with ORM at least
19:11 shivajiva    Hi ten :)
19:11 tenplus1     hi shiva, nrz :P
19:11 bigfoot547   Hi tenplus1
19:11 nerzhul      that means 1 or 2 developpers or 65k redistributed as primes at the end of the year to the people
19:12 tenplus1     hi bigfoot
19:12 nerzhul      (~2k per people, we are ~40 people in the software & ops team)
19:12 Bobr2        hello 11
19:13 tenplus1     hi bob
19:13 nerzhul      and i estimated switching from java to go permits to reduce ~20% infrastructure costs too :p
19:13 Bobr2        got a new name for u 11minus2
19:13 kaeza        hi tenplus1
19:13 rubenwardy   how much is lost in dev time though?
19:13 tenplus1     hi kaeza
19:13 tenplus1     hi ruben :D
19:13 rubenwardy   lol hi
19:13 tenplus1     lol bob
19:13 kaeza        first!
19:13 Bobr2        that dont even make sense
19:13 nerzhul      not many
19:14 nerzhul      because we have a data team which help them to build their query and design the databases correctly
19:14 nerzhul      (it's relatively recent)
19:15 nerzhul      the data team design the content databases (we are software editor and provider for vehicles, our clients are PSA, Ford, Renault for example) we have big databases which contains all existing vehicles , pieces and documentations on how to repair each vehicle part on cars and trucks
19:16 nerzhul      our users can buy those pieces we interact with distributors to know the prices and available amounts in their stocks, and do many complex things with our content and partneers :)
19:17 * tenplus1   is lost
19:17 nerzhul      it's a complexe relational scheme, and ORM are not designed for that
19:17 kaeza        tenplus1, I think you're there →
19:18 tenplus1     :P
19:18 nerzhul      you have 3 tables and want to show a product fast, use it, you want to do high quality scalable product in production ? do it ourself :p
19:18 kaeza        tenplus1, you even have a shiny '@' :P
19:18 tenplus1     oooooh shiny o.O
19:19 * Bobr2      is hungry
19:19 tenplus1     http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/e39973e3-that-point-where-you-gave-up-being-subtle.jpg
19:20 Bobr2        and quite confused
19:20 kaeza        Bobr2, you need some löve
19:21 kaeza        http://love2d.org
19:21 Fixer        YES
19:21 Fixer        was googling just this
19:21 Fixer        Mari0 and such
19:21 tenplus1     hi Fixer
19:21 Bobr2        lol
19:21 Fixer        hi
19:21 tenplus1     hi lisac
19:22 tenplus1     *bookmarked* :DDD
19:24 kaeza        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ySNDZVQ8sI
19:26 kaeza        ^ that project sadly died with the HDD :((
19:27 rubenwardy   oh cool, kaeza
19:28 rubenwardy   Do you have anything left of it? :(
19:28 kaeza        zilch
19:28 rubenwardy   I lost a 64GB USB with 10s of small games :/
19:28 rubenwardy   I know back up everything using Git
19:28 rubenwardy   *now
19:29 kaeza        one does not simply think about backups...
19:29 kaeza        until the inevitable happens :(
19:29 tenplus1     *cough*... back's everything up daily
19:33 Bobr2        cough cough doesnt know how to back up cough cough
19:33 rubenwardy   Bobr2, what files do you have?
19:33 rubenwardy   like, type
19:33 tenplus1     heh...   usb flash drive, copy any important files onto it :D
19:34 rubenwardy   for code: git and private repo
19:34 bigfoot547   I don't have the money for a private repo...
19:34 Bobr2        idk i think DI3 does the backing up for my server cuz he hosts it
19:34 rubenwardy   bigfoot547, are you a student per chance? ie: have a .ac.* address
19:34 rubenwardy   bigfoot547, if not, there's bitbucket.org which gives it for free
19:35 bigfoot547   Ok
19:35 garywhite    what do mobs horses eat?
19:35 rubenwardy   for video/images/games: google photos / apple cloud / dropbox / external hdd / multiple of the above
19:35 tenplus1     wheat
19:35 tenplus1     and apples
19:35 garywhite    ok, thanks 11
19:35 rubenwardy   tenplus1, USB drives won't be very good if your house burns down
19:36 rubenwardy   so redundancy is good
19:36 bigfoot547   I have an old external scsi 500 gb hdd with one bad sector.
19:36 bigfoot547   It makes a lot of noise
19:36 * tenplus1   always has flash drive in wallet :D
19:37 Bobr2        why?
19:37 tenplus1     back up files and keeps it close/safe
19:38 * Bobr2      doesnt know where his usb is XD
19:39 tenplus1     :p
19:39 tenplus1     in fact, I have a 16gb flash with Xubuntu 16.04 loaded and a 2nd partition with my files... that way I always have access to them also on any pc
19:40 Bobr2        or u could just use SSH
19:40 tenplus1     nah
19:40 tenplus1     dont like depenging on internet
19:41 * Bobr2      just relised the time
19:45 Jordach      IT'S HIGH NOON
19:45 bigfoot547   Nooo, 2:45
19:45 tenplus1     hi Jordach
19:45 tenplus1     20:45 here
19:50 Bobr2        same 12
19:52 * Bobr2      was looking for his usb and found a golf ball
19:54 paramat      game 1543 is merged, nerz suggests a better priv name, can anyone think of one?
19:54 Bobr2        priv nzmd
19:54 Bobr2        name for what if i may ask
19:54 tenplus1     hi paramount studious
19:55 tenplus1     :P
19:56 tenplus1     w00t, thanks
19:56 Shara        Why should it need a better name?
19:56 tenplus1     creative priv is exactly what it is...
19:56 Shara        Pretty much everyone knows exactly what it means as it is
19:56 tenplus1     giving access to creative inventory, unlimited 'creative' placement
19:57 Shara        Any other name would likely be more confusing
19:57 tenplus1     agreed...
19:57 tenplus1     every player seems to know what creative means
19:58 Bobr2        i got a good name
19:58 Bobr2        yatop
19:58 tenplus1     lol
19:58 Bobr2        you are to op
19:58 Bobr2        or you are to over prived
20:02 bigfoot547   Bobr2, s/to/too
20:03 Bobr2        what does that mean
20:04 bigfoot547   It means replace to with too
20:04 Bobr2        ah lol
20:04 bigfoot547   Go onto ##forthenerds and see it actually work
20:05 Bobr2        im on there what do i do
20:05 bigfoot547   Type someting
20:06 Bobr2        ok
20:15 kaeza        <rubenwardy> bigfoot_547, if not, there's bitbucket.org which gives it for free
20:15 kaeza        nice, didn't know that
20:16 Bobr2        that bot is amazinf
20:16 Fuchs        as does gitlab
20:16 Bobr2        hi Fuchs
20:16 Fuchs        yes, hi
20:17 kaeza        I was using private gists as backups :P
20:18 kaeza        and Dropbox for heavier stuff
20:19 * Bobr2      might add a sopel bot in to AMHI
20:20 Fuchs        I am using an external harddrive attached to my server for backups, and one external server for _really_ important backups  (family pictures I'd  care about if lost, gpg keys)
20:21 bigfoot547   Should I be using a hdd w/ a bad sector?
20:21 Bobr2        no dont think so
20:21 Fuchs        I'd give it a smart test, mount it read only and do a backup
20:21 Fuchs        then not use it for anything important
20:21 tenplus1     +
20:21 tenplus1     +1
20:22 Bobr2        9+10+221
20:22 Bobr2        21
20:22 tenplus1     unless you can pad the bad sectors
20:22 kaeza        duct tape works?
20:22 tenplus1     lol
20:22 bigfoot547   What does padding entail?
20:23 Bobr2        i would suggest polystrine XD
20:23 tenplus1     if you know where the bad sectors lay you can re-create partitions avoiding that area
20:23 nerzhul      bigfoot547, private repositories on gitlab.com are illimited
20:23 nerzhul      only CI have limited time
20:24 Bobr2        what does the slang ngl mean
20:25 bigfoot547   Thanks nerzhul
20:26 paramat      yeah i have no problem with the priv name
20:26 tenplus1     glad to hear :D
20:30 tenplus1     nite folks :PPPp
21:52 red-001      oh neat minetest got updated in the arch repo
22:31 Fixer        https://twitter.com/darkstockphotos
22:38 Fixer        time to test some PRs / increases volume on *SECRETS OF MY AGE*
23:07 Fixer        300 fps in beta 1.7.3 -_
23:07 Fixer        -
23:20 VaultyTowers ITS RICHARD NIXON AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH