Time Nick Message
08:16 IcyDiamond Hi
08:26 rdococ the Diamond is very Icy
08:28 IcyDiamond :P
08:34 rdococ did you see tenplus1's mod https://github.com/tenplus1/pova ?
08:35 rdococ and https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19991 as wellyaysâ„¢
08:35 rdococ Hi tenplus1
08:35 tenplus1 hi folks, hey rdococ
08:35 tenplus1 rdococ: https://github.com/tenplus1/pova
08:35 rdococ tenplus1: Yay
08:36 rdococ Life pro-tip: Log in to the forums before trying to edit a postâ„¢
08:36 tenplus1 ehehe, I like the physicsh mod :)
08:37 rdococ It is yay
08:37 rdococ And so is povaâ„¢
08:37 tenplus1 lolz... TM
08:37 tenplus1 can only hope that one of them get into default... we need 'dis as a standard
08:38 rdococ It has become a meme to suffix sentences with TMâ„¢
08:38 tenplus1 ohh, didn't know that oneâ„¢
08:38 rdococ Well, I made it up with luk3yxâ„¢
08:38 tenplus1 heh
08:38 IcyDiamond Hey 10+1!
08:38 tenplus1 hi IcyDiamond
08:38 rdococ Yay, my friend 9+2
08:39 rdococ IcyDiamond calculated the factorial of 1 and added it to 10â„¢
08:39 rdococ The factorial of yay is yay squared, oddly enough
08:40 tenplus1 been testing daily build of Xubuntu 18.04... it feels smoother somehow :) I like
08:40 rdococ Ooh, you added a pova_loop setting
08:41 tenplus1 yeah, the loop is there as a dumb backup just incase :) but easily disabled for pova.do_override()
08:42 rdococ I wanted to modify set_player_physics at some point so that attempts to override it would result in setting a multiplication modifier instead
08:43 tenplus1 you have a set function for multiplying and dividing player settings, I'm kinda sticking to the pova.set_override_defaults for mod to handle this :D then apply override list on top
08:44 rdococ Looks like you have a separate do_override function that updates the player physics so that it doesn't get set on every call to add_override/del_override if a mod decides to modify multiple modifiers in a row
08:45 tenplus1 the axe uses the do_override to instantly apply changes for testing, right click to instantly remove also :D
08:45 rdococ Which is yayâ„¢
08:45 tenplus1 so things like sprinting will be instant instead of waiting on loop :)
08:45 tenplus1 no lag
08:46 tenplus1 walking on ice to increase player speed could use loop, or snow to slow them down (playerplus)
08:46 rdococ Although what would happen if I were to put on 2x speed boots and then x0 gravity pants?
08:47 tenplus1 speed would do up and gravity would drop :P
08:47 rdococ The speed boots would set my default override to {speed = 2, jump = 1, gravity = 1}, then the 0x gravity pants would set it to {speed = 1, jump = 1, gravity = 0}
08:48 tenplus1 with pova it's 2 different effects, pova.add_override("rdoc", "boots", {speed = 1}) and pova.add_override("rdoc", "pants", {gravity = -1})
08:48 tenplus1 resulting in speed 2 gravity 0
08:49 rdococ Ah, but that would be for +1 speed boots and -1 gravity pants
08:49 rdococ If I work out to achieve x1.5 speed and then put on x2 speed boots, I would logically run at a speed of 3
08:49 tenplus1 each item applies it's opwn effect, and can lookup default overrides to +/- the exact numbers
08:50 tenplus1 but the pova.set_override_defaults() is only really used for things like space realms where gravity is low, or speed run levels where you can boost walking speed to 10 or something for racing (mario kart style)
08:51 rdococ True
08:53 * rdococ activates his jetpack
08:53 tenplus1 so 3d_armor would calculate armor changes and add a pova.add_override("rdoc", "armor", armor_defs)
08:53 tenplus1 and potions mod could add/remove from that :D
08:53 tenplus1 all the while base levels depend on where the player is (earth, space etc)
08:54 tenplus1 is all good for both mnods
08:54 * rdococ drinks a potion that doubles all modifiersâ„¢
08:54 rdococ ^ Actually, a potion like that isn't possible with my system yet
08:54 rdococ At least not easily
08:55 tenplus1 mods shouldnt really multiply/divide effects, potions should add/subtract from instead, otehrwise some clown will be wearing rainbow boots with a speed of 10 and a double potion boost shoots him out of the server and into someone elses
08:55 Amaz xD
08:55 Amaz That would actually be quite a good feature, tbh :P
08:56 tenplus1 maybe we could cap effects also
08:56 tenplus1 heh, stand on teleport pad *whoosh* in redcat server
09:06 rdococ It'd be fun to have a potion mod based on magical fungi
09:06 tenplus1 +100, we need some sort of potion stand to use bottles and make all sorts of weird stuff
09:07 rdococ You would have to gather different types of mushroom and prepare them in different ways to create them
09:07 tenplus1 with a few explosive mixes on the list :DD
09:07 rdococ Your hints as to how to create certain potions would be in the effects that the mushrooms themselves give you when eaten
09:07 tenplus1 mwhehehe...
09:08 rdococ Then throw some unintuitive mushrooms in that are poisonous but only when eaten alone, and can be used in very good potion recipes
09:08 tenplus1 yeah, mixed with other items they can give some nice effects, or even shrink player to half their size :P
09:09 tenplus1 so you can do alice in wonderland puzzles and go through 1x1 gaps :D
09:09 rdococ That red fungus that kills you instantly if you so much as eat a single one? It would be used in a super mega yay potion
09:09 tenplus1 craft a "meet god really quickly" potion with that one :D
09:09 rdococ Lol
09:09 tenplus1 brb, booting into xubuntu flashd rive :PPP
09:10 rdococ To brew a weightlessness potion you would mix the green fungus that makes you explode if you eat it with the blue fungus that is a laxativeâ„¢
09:11 rdococ The idea is that the green fungus in the potion would produce a lot of gas inside you, but at the same time you would fart it out fast enough so that it's not a problem
09:11 rdococ That effect would be an addition modifier as it can overpower say, Earth gravity but not Venus gravity
09:11 Amaz roflol
09:12 rdococ Actually, Venus is smaller than Earth
09:12 rdococ But you get the gist
09:12 Amaz Yup
09:12 rdococ On Venus, IIRC, it's mostly the atmospheric pressure that would keep you down
09:13 rdococ Atmospheric pressure can keep you down but it can also help you to fly, and birds use it
09:13 Amaz You'd also need a special spacesuit to allow the gas to escape...
09:13 Amaz :P
09:13 rdococ Lol
09:13 rdococ And this potion mod could support both physicsh and pova
09:14 TenPlus1 back
09:14 rdococ Woah, TenPlus1 disappeared for a bitâ„¢
09:16 TenPlus1 wow, I like the new Xubuntu desktop
09:16 rdococ Must be an invisible potionâ„¢
09:16 TenPlus1 ehehe
09:16 rdococ Which you get if you mix the tail of a chameleon into a base potion
09:16 TenPlus1 hi fixer
09:17 TenPlus1 nssm has many weird and wonderful items that could be used in potions :D
09:18 Shara pity the models are so big :P
09:18 Shara hi all :)
09:18 rdococ Not So Simple Mobs? Yay
09:18 TenPlus1 hi shara
09:18 Amaz Morning Shara
09:18 TenPlus1 hey Amazx
09:19 rdococ Amazing
09:19 TenPlus1 *Amaz :P
09:19 Amaz Hi ten :P And thanks rdococ xD
09:20 rdococ TenPlus1: Also, if you mix the green mushroom that makes you explode with the blue mushroom that makes you fart, you will be able to propel yourself into the air provided you're not on a planet with too much gravityâ„¢
09:21 TenPlus1 "To infinity, and beyond..."â„¢
09:23 rdococ To infinityayâ„¢
09:26 TenPlus1 looks like noveau has had some work done :) video playback smooth
09:32 rdococ I wish I had better video drivers, the amount of lag I get in just singleplayer, render distance 20, shaders enabled but none of the ones in settings specifically enabled, is dumb
09:32 rdococ Also, mapblock loading is so slow
09:33 TenPlus1 erk, what gfx you using, Intel ?
09:36 rdococ AMD
09:36 rdococ Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.2 • CPU: AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics (1000MHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.2 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) Swap: 3.4 GiB Total (3.3 GiB Free) • Storage: 61.6 GB / 963.1 GB (901.5 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R3 Graphics] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Ardent Technologies Inc • Uptime: 4d 14h 29m 3s
09:36 TenPlus1 what kernel you using ?
09:36 TenPlus1 latest ubuntu has the newer amd drivers that give better performance
09:36 rdococ Linux 4.9.0-4-amd64
09:37 rdococ RAM is 3.3 GiB
09:37 TenPlus1 get latest daily build for xubuntu 18.04 and boot from flash, test out minetest and see what you get from that
09:37 rdococ I have a 1 GB flash drive here, will that work?
09:38 rdococ if I'm switching to another Linux distro I'll probably pick Mint
09:38 TenPlus1 you may need 4gb
09:38 rdococ hm, I only have this 1 GB one on hand
09:38 TenPlus1 so long as you use the new 4.15 kernel you shoudl have all the latest drivers
09:38 rdococ I should really update my kernel version then
09:39 TenPlus1 that and mesa stuffs :P
09:39 TenPlus1 noveau is working a lto faster for me on new kernel, playing hd video okie
09:40 rdococ I looked online and typed in "apt-cache search linux-image", but it looks like the latest linux-image from that search is 4.9.0
09:41 TenPlus1 aww, we all need a 4gb flash drive
09:41 rdococ Should I try compiling the kernel myself?
09:42 TenPlus1 you can try :)
09:43 rdococ My computer has 1 TB of storage
09:43 rdococ I'm not sure how modern that is but it still feels futuristic
09:43 TenPlus1 ehehehe, I have 120gb ssd
09:43 rdococ Although I'm pretty sure it's still an HDD, so not that modern
09:43 rdococ next computer I get will definitely have an SSD
09:44 TenPlus1 ebuyer.com did desktop pc's for 99 gbp at one point, good speed
09:44 rdococ I will also install Linux Mint on it, but I'm worried about any pre-installed malware masquerading as an OS getting in my way
09:45 TenPlus1 mint doesnt have malware :P
09:45 rdococ No, pre-installed Windows malware :P
09:45 TenPlus1 just make sure you get images from reputable source (distrowatch.org)
09:45 rdococ As in, many computers that you buy come pre-installed with malware called Windows 10
09:46 TenPlus1 heh yeah... w10 really sucks...
09:46 rdococ maybe I should "sudo apt-get upgrade"?
09:47 rdococ I've already done apt-get update
09:48 TenPlus1 try: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
09:49 rdococ I did see that too
09:49 rdococ Will that take a long time?
09:50 TenPlus1 nah, it just installs new things like kernels and updates to system stuff...
09:50 TenPlus1 you dont even have to reboot when it's done :)
09:50 TenPlus1 not until you're ready
09:50 rdococ eh, I'll try it
09:51 TenPlus1 it'll warn you what it'll install anyhow and how big it is :D
09:51 rdococ my HDD has 1 TB of space, I think it'll be fine
09:51 rdococ lol
09:52 TenPlus1 ehehehe
09:53 rdococ My HDD eats gigabytes for breakfast
09:53 rdococ I keep telling it to stop, gigabytes are very unhealthy and have a lot of sugar
09:56 TenPlus1 lol...
09:56 TenPlus1 I saw Samsung's new 30TB SSD Drive... wouldnt even wanna guess how much that costs
09:58 rdococ 99%â„¢
09:59 rdococ It costs £yay
09:59 rdococ Reading changelogsâ„¢
10:01 rdococ It's unpacking stuff now
10:01 rdococ Hehe, unpacking packages
10:02 TenPlus1 hope you get all new stuffs that help your fps
10:02 rdococ I hope so too
10:05 rdococ Still unpacking stuff
10:06 rdococ and it's unpacking another 4.9.0 kernel version, although this time it appears to be 4.9.0-6
10:07 rdococ Uh oh, missing firmware?
10:08 rdococ W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169
10:09 TenPlus1 ah ignore that
10:09 rdococ Apparently there's a fix for it
10:09 TenPlus1 just a driver that's looking for a blob file to work 100%
10:09 rdococ ah
10:09 rdococ That message did appear multiple times with different rtl####-#.fw files
10:09 TenPlus1 http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.16/
10:10 rdococ Since I've closed everything but HexChat and the terminal I can restart as soon as it's finished
10:10 rdococ If it finishes :P
10:10 rdococ I don't know why I'm being so impatient, it's only been a few minutes
10:10 rdococ It's looking for missing firmware again... is it stuck on a loop or something?
10:11 rdococ Nevermind, it just finished
10:11 TenPlus1 :P
10:11 rdococ I'll restart, and then see what I can do to see if I can get a later kernel version
10:12 TenPlus1 good luck
10:12 Amaz Would an ubuntu kernel work with Debain though?
10:12 TenPlus1 ubuntu IS debian :) they should be cross compatible
10:12 TenPlus1 if not it wont install
10:14 Amaz But don't some Ubuntu ppas have problems on debian, due to different versions of software, or slight incompatabilites?
10:14 rdococ Went without a hitch
10:14 rdococ I now have a very slightly later version of the kernel, yay
10:14 Amaz :)
10:15 TenPlus1 this isnt a ppa amaz, you download the kernel .debs and isntall in order :P
10:15 TenPlus1 ehehe
10:15 TenPlus1 rdococ: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.16/
10:16 rdococ TenPlus1: Yay for yays
10:16 Amaz Ah, okay, I was confused by the address :)
10:16 TenPlus1 latest stable 4.16 kernel for debian/ubuntu/mint
10:17 rdococ TenPlus1: Should I install that second list of packages (I'm assuming they're the successful amd64 builds) in order I'm assuming?
10:17 rdococ Or just one -headers file and one -image file?
10:17 TenPlus1 gotta get all the .debs for the same architecture... so yeah, all amd64
10:17 rdococ Ah, so all 5 of them
10:18 rdococ I don't have much experience installing from .deb files tbh
10:18 TenPlus1 yup, stick in folder and do: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
10:19 rdococ Weird
10:19 rdococ MATE panels disappeared and then reappeared again
10:20 rdococ That keeps happening on occasion
10:20 TenPlus1 panel restarted (prolly udated something)
10:20 TenPlus1 or crashed
10:20 rdococ Ah.
10:20 rdococ Makes sense.
10:21 TenPlus1 mate is good but still has a few issues to fix that causes panel to crash
10:21 TenPlus1 that's why I always recommend Xfce :) stable
10:22 rdococ Next computer I'm getting, I will install Mint distro
10:22 rdococ not sure what DE though
10:22 TenPlus1 how much memory you got ?
10:22 rdococ 3.3 GiB
10:23 rdococ uh oh
10:23 rdococ Errors were encountered while processing:
10:23 rdococ linux-headers-4.16.0-041600-generic
10:23 rdococ linux-headers-4.16.0-041600-lowlatency
10:24 rdococ Looks like those files depend on libssl1.0.0
10:24 rdococ Unfortunately, that package is unavailable. Yay.
10:24 TenPlus1 only use generic, not lowlatency
10:25 rdococ <TenPlus1> gotta get all the .debs for the same architecture... so yeah, all amd64
10:25 rdococ I'm confused
10:25 TenPlus1 all amd generic :P
10:25 TenPlus1 low latency is a different set
10:25 rdococ Oh, what do I do with lowlatency then?
10:25 rdococ I already ended up installing linux-image -lowlatency...
10:25 rdococ do I uninstall it? how would I do that?
10:25 TenPlus1 yeah uninstall
10:26 TenPlus1 > sudo apt-get remove linux-headers-4.16*
10:26 rdococ What about linux-image-4.16...-lowlatency?
10:26 TenPlus1 same for that
10:26 TenPlus1 > sudo apt-get remove linux-image-4.16*
10:27 rdococ It can't seem to locate any of them
10:27 rdococ E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-4.16.0-041600-generic_4.16.0-041600.201804012230_amd64.deb'
10:28 rdococ what, I don't think 4.16.0-041600 should be repeated
10:29 rdococ Also, the generic header also requires libssl1.0.0
10:29 TenPlus1 you got synaptic package manager installed ? would prolly be easier
10:30 rdococ yes
10:30 TenPlus1 use that :D
10:30 rdococ should I just remove the 4.16.0 headers there?
10:31 TenPlus1 yeah, would be easier than terminal :P
10:31 rdococ mark for removal or for complete removal?
10:31 TenPlus1 complete
10:32 rdococ should I do the same for the other 3 files?
10:32 TenPlus1 exactly :) yeah
10:33 rdococ No other headers or image packages appear to be installed, is that okay?
10:33 TenPlus1 that's good... should just be the 4.9 you had earlier
10:34 rdococ if I do want to get 4.16 how would I do that? I need libssl1.0.0 but I can't find it
10:34 rdococ hehe, Minetest 0.4.16, Linux kernel 4.16.0
10:34 TenPlus1 you may need later versino of debian
10:35 rdococ I have debian 9
10:35 rdococ 9.2
10:37 rdococ would libssl1.0.2 work?
10:38 rdococ Nevermind, I already have that.
10:39 rdococ I don't understand, kernel version 4.16.0 wants libssl1.0.0 (>= that but before 2.0.0, I'm assuming) but doesn't notice 1.0.2?
10:41 TenPlus1 weird indeed
10:41 rdococ I checked, it supports libssl >= 1.0.0
10:41 rdococ Why doesn't it like my libssl1.0.2?
10:42 TenPlus1 might be a strange dependency
10:42 rdococ Apparently some people solved it by manually editing the kernel .deb files and replacing libssl1.0.0 with libssl1.0.2
10:42 rdococ Should I try that?
10:43 TenPlus1 if you feel comfortable doing so, yeah :)
10:43 * TenPlus1 doesnt wanna break your system
10:43 rdococ I don't think it'll break anything
10:43 rdococ ^ famous last wordsâ„¢
10:44 TenPlus1 wb icy
10:44 rdococ Looks like I can't edit the control file without extracting and recompressing
10:45 rdococ I'm not sure I have the ability to compress a folder as .deb
10:47 rdococ Hm, caja lets me compress as .exe but not .deb?
10:47 IcyDiamond TenPlus1: hey
10:48 IcyDiamond I was trying to set up ipv6 on my vps
10:48 rdococ Can dpkg compress files?
10:48 IcyDiamond I brought eth0 down for a while because I don't know what I'm doing :P
10:48 TenPlus1 lol
10:49 IcyDiamond but i /think/ i have ipv6 now? maybe?
10:49 IcyDiamond IcyDiamond (~icy@2001:41d0:302:2100::7f23) has joined #minetest-hub
10:49 IcyDiamond oh yeah there it is
10:49 IcyDiamond ayy
10:52 Fixer that feel when ipv6 adoption is near 0% and you are stuck with shitNAT
10:53 rdococ TenPlus1: I have three .deb files now. headers _all, headers -generic and image -generic. Is that good to go?
10:53 IcyDiamond I don't have ipv6 at home either
10:53 rdococ I modified the headers generic file to require libssl1.0.2 rather than 1.0.0
10:53 TenPlus1 give it a bash, if all isntalls ok and you can reboot into latest kernel :) failing that holding SHIFT lets you boot back into old
10:54 rdococ k
10:54 * TenPlus1 makes lunch :PPPP
10:54 sfan5 Fixer: you can always use a tunnel broker
10:54 sfan5 if you care enough
10:54 Fixer sfan5: even if behind CGNAT-crap?
10:55 sfan5 I don't see why not
10:55 IcyDiamond Fixer: I'm also suffering from the CGNAT
10:55 IcyDiamond :(
10:55 rdococ Huh, worked without an error
10:55 IcyDiamond but I have a vps thankfully
10:55 rdococ other than the "looking for module" messages, which is fine
10:55 Fixer sfan5: will I be able to open ports to outside world via this thing?
10:55 sfan5 yes
10:56 rdococ Gonna restart
10:56 sfan5 (obviously only over IPv6)
10:57 TenPlus1 good luck <fingers crossed>
10:57 Fixer sfan5: so if I'm mazo-enough, I can host minetest server on my machine via this tunnel + dyndns thing?
10:57 sfan5 indeed
10:58 Fixer and it will be visible in server list?
10:58 sfan5 your player base will just be significantly reduced because no ipv4
10:58 Fixer if announced?
10:58 sfan5 yes
10:58 TenPlus1 what improvements does ipv6 have over ipv4 ?
10:58 Fixer sfan5: ooooooops
10:59 Fixer that is no go
10:59 sfan5 some VPNs also allow port forwards, so that'd work too
11:00 rdococ_ Hm, seems to be stuck on /dev/sda2 clean
11:01 rdococ_ Also, before that, it said "no irq handler for vector" 3 times
11:01 rdococ_ TenPlus1: what to do?
11:01 TenPlus1 hrm, seems you may need other things updated to run 4.16 properly...
11:02 TenPlus1 best rmove it for now and stick with 4.9 that works
11:02 TenPlus1 and when you get a flash drive you can test xubu 18.04 with newer kernel included
11:02 rdococ_ Id restart and hold shift to boot into the old kernel but idk how to do that safely
11:03 rdococ_ Should I hold the power button?
11:03 TenPlus1 shift brings up boot menu, go into advanced settings which lets you chooseo ld kernel to boot into
11:03 TenPlus1 alt gr + prn scrn + O to shutdown properly
11:05 rdococ_ Turns out that the boot menu always appears for me regardless of if I hold shift
11:05 TenPlus1 :)
11:05 rdococ_ I should really change distro though
11:05 TenPlus1 wouldnt hurt to try some new ones out
11:06 rdococ_ True, unless I do something dumb
11:06 TenPlus1 I settled on lubuntu/xubuntu cause it's easy to update to latest
11:07 TenPlus1 hi raven
11:07 Raven262 Hi ten
11:07 IcyDiamond Yay now my web server listens on ipv6 as well
11:07 IcyDiamond ay
11:07 * TenPlus1 whispers in ipv8
11:07 rdococ Yay, 4.9.0 still works
11:08 IcyDiamond Yay.
11:08 rdococ Ew, are you still using that infernal ipv8? I use ipv12
11:08 IcyDiamond :D
11:08 rdococ I have Minetest 0.9.0, which is so cool because it adds voxel area entities!
11:09 TenPlus1 :PP
11:09 rdococ Meaning I can have mesecons aboard my moving ship! Yay!
11:09 TenPlus1 ooh
11:09 IcyDiamond Pfft, I have minetest 1.2.7, and I enjoy exploring the procedurally infinte universe!
11:10 rdococ what? procedurally infinite universe?
11:10 rdococ 31000 blocks in each direction is enough for me
11:10 IcyDiamond xD
11:11 rdococ And unlike in YouKnowWhat, gameplay is stable at every point in that world
11:11 rdococ I can be playing at x=30000 and not realize it until I actually see the border
11:11 IcyDiamond ah yes, the dreaded YouKnowWhat
11:12 rdococ Which doesn't even have meshnode, nevermind VAEs
11:16 rdococ > Minetest Engine: Incorrect name for “Minetestâ€
11:16 rdococ Lol, I proposed "Minetest Engine" as a new nickname for the engine
11:16 rdococ At least until we find a good name that everyone can agree on
11:17 TenPlus1 how about "Bob" ?
11:19 rdococ "My Little Node: Active Block Modifiers are Magic"
11:19 TenPlus1 ahahaha
11:20 rdococ Wow, Minetest 0.13.0 still doesn't have metadata-defined node and item properties other than a few such as description
11:21 rdococ Minetest 0.16.0 was a complete rewrite in C++++, though, and it added tons of features
11:22 TenPlus1 yeah, we got over 50 new textures :P
11:22 rdococ VoxelEngine 1.0.0 is when a new name was chosen for the engine for the 1.0.0 release
11:23 rdococ It came after Minetest Engine 0.23.0
11:23 TenPlus1 :P
11:24 rdococ I have nostalgia though for the good ol' 0.5.13 days
11:24 IcyDiamond 14:19 <+rdococ> "My Little Node: Active Block Modifiers are Magic"
11:24 IcyDiamond hahahaha
11:24 IcyDiamond brilliant
11:27 rdococ I'm looking at c55's roadmap in the forums
11:27 TenPlus1 it's a walking journey along that roadmap :P
11:27 rdococ I wonder if you could modify meshnode to update a meshnode object according to a cubic chunk up in the sky somewhere
11:28 TenPlus1 hardware particles for weather that doesnt lag would be a bonus :D
11:28 rdococ That would be cool too
11:29 rdococ The idea is that ABMs would act on the chunk in the sky (if you keep it loaded anyway) which would update the meshnode object
11:30 rdococ Similar to c55's idea for implementation of VAEs (I think)
11:32 rdococ TenPlus1: ^ I'm working on an idea for implementing proper VAEs in a lua mod, what do you think?
11:32 rdococ Keep a mapblock somewhere in the sky loaded, and render it as a meshnode object when an update occurs there
11:32 TenPlus1 gimmie a usage for it
11:33 rdococ VAEs are in https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9177
11:33 rdococ (c55's roadmap)
11:33 IcyDiamond !title
11:33 MinetestBot IcyDiamond: celeron55's roadmap - Minetest Forums
11:33 rdococ Now I don't think anything would beat implementing VAEs directly in C++, but do you think it's viable to have a "VAE lite!" that's closer to true VAEs than meshnodes?
11:34 TenPlus1 give it a bash and see what test cases come up for it...
11:34 rdococ Bash as in tell others the idea or as in try to implement it?
11:35 TenPlus1 implement it, do a test mod with some uses :)
11:35 rdococ I'll need to take a look at how meshnode mod renders nodes, then
11:36 TenPlus1 although scrolling through a table of nodes and calling their respective functions and abm's are gonna be sloooo
11:36 TenPlus1 w
11:36 rdococ Apparently meshnode:mesh uses a wielditem visual?
11:37 IcyDiamond tree fiddy
11:37 rdococ TenPlus1: No, I'd store what the nodes in the mesh are somewhere up in the sky at y=30000, so the C++ ABM system takes care of it and I won't actually need to do that
11:37 TenPlus1 goddamn loch ness monster
11:37 IcyDiamond xD
11:37 TenPlus1 oh, a better soluidion so long as map block is always active
11:37 rdococ Yes
11:38 rdococ And there are functions to keep mapblocks loaded, I believe
11:38 rdococ The only problem that would really cause lag is detecting changes in that mapblock and rendering them to the meshnode
11:38 TenPlus1 yeh, keeps map block active and abm's running, so as long as there isnt too many it wont lag much
11:39 rdococ I'm not sure how the meshnode mod works
11:40 TenPlus1 scans a block of nodes which it adds as textured entities to a huge entity I thought
11:40 rdococ Not sure, but perhaps
11:40 rdococ Only problem is that it'd have to check for mapblock updates and then render either the changes if possible, or the whole thing again
11:40 TenPlus1 good point, that'll be kinda slow in itself
11:43 rdococ Okay, something weird has happened
11:43 TenPlus1 ?
11:43 rdococ I managed to dig meshnode:scaffold and get it in my inventory
11:43 rdococ I can even place it O_o
11:44 TenPlus1 tablet sized
11:45 Fixer is there end to this oversized insanity?
11:45 rdococ Looks like the entity itself has a 1x1x1 selection box
11:45 rdococ But I can collide with the rest of it
11:46 rdococ Hm, I'm building with meshnode:scaffold
11:52 * TenPlus1 builds the statue of liberty with meshnodes and brings it to life ghostbusters style
11:54 rdococ Meshnode is so weird
11:55 rdococ It'd be nice to have a generic meshnode API
11:55 rdococ so that mods can create complex entity structures
12:00 rdococ Jordach: Hi. I'm trying to figure out how meshnode works
12:02 TenPlus1 hi Jordach
12:04 rdococ I halved the vertical visual property of the meshnode:ctrl entity to see what it does, and now my meshnode creations are squished
12:06 Jordach if you scaled it in object mode, press alt + s
12:06 rdococ no, I modified it in init.lua
12:06 rdococ idk what you mean
12:06 Jordach :thonk:
12:06 rdococ wat
12:16 TenPlus1 hi aerozoic
12:17 aerozoic bonjour TenPlus1
12:21 Fixer just one more year and then you will be happy
12:36 TenPlus1 who was having hassle with noveau before on their mac ?
12:37 Fixer nouveau on their mac?
12:37 rdococ ew, mac
12:37 TenPlus1 yeah, someone was trying to install linux on their mac cause macos high sierra was messed up
12:38 Fixer boycott apple
12:38 TenPlus1 been using current daily for a few hours now from flash drive using noveau and the crash issue seems to be fixed :D
12:42 TenPlus1 also yes, apple sucks to bad
12:43 TenPlus1 and weirdly enough microsoft is starting to use linux for some of their services (outwith windows)
12:45 TenPlus1 hey fussel
12:50 TenPlus1 hi mister
12:50 TenPlus1 hey CWz
12:50 Mr-Pardison hai hooman
12:50 TenPlus1 :P
12:50 CWz Ello
12:50 TenPlus1 o/
12:51 TenPlus1 hooman has fulfilled work dooty and did 'dis: github.com/tenplus1/pova
12:53 rdococ hooman has yayed
12:53 TenPlus1 lol
12:53 TenPlus1 you forgot TM
12:53 rdococ hooman has yayedâ„¢
12:53 TenPlus1 ehehe
12:53 rdococ Mr-Pardison should take a look at https://github.com/rdococ/physicsh â„¢
12:54 TenPlus1 yaaay
12:54 * Mr-Pardison clicks
12:54 * rdococ clocks
12:54 * TenPlus1 ticks
12:54 * rdococ kicks
12:55 TenPlus1 ow!
12:55 * Mr-Pardison dodges
12:55 TenPlus1 o/ my adblock has blocked 552 ads from a single youtube page... seriously ?!?!?!
12:56 Mr-Pardison or is from youtube overall?
12:56 TenPlus1 scarey... 554 now... what is youtube up to
12:57 rdococ Ghostery only seems to detect one tracker... is one tracker adding 554 ads to the page?
12:58 TenPlus1 ghostery is prolly dealing with mobile version of site, am on desktop, maybe google adds a ton of links if it finds desktop version
12:58 rdococ I hope people use pova and/or physicshâ„¢
12:58 TenPlus1 +100
12:59 TenPlus1 we need a default
13:00 * Amaz will need to use one of them for a subgame he's working on
13:00 aerozoic -_- somebody advertising the wrong website in the comments: https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/feature/game/alternatives-minecraft-3618911/
13:01 TenPlus1 lol
13:01 aerozoic !title
13:01 MinetestBot aerozoic: Best Alternatives to Minecraft: 11 Free & Paid Games - Tech Advisor
13:02 rdococ minetest.net is the official one, right?
13:02 aerozoic yup
13:02 rdococ what is minetest.com then? does it even exist?
13:03 TenPlus1 w00t!
13:05 aerozoic oh yeah XD
13:05 TenPlus1 I wonder why .com doesnt redirect to .net
13:06 Fixer CommunismCraft
13:06 Mr-Pardison da comrade.
13:06 rdococ I had an idea for a server where the -X side is capitalist and the +X side is communist
13:07 TenPlus1 lol, that would be interesting to play on
13:07 Fixer communist one will have free gulag and some tools
13:08 Mr-Pardison in mother Russia, you do not get sent to Gulag.
13:08 Mr-Pardison Gulag get sent to you.
13:08 TenPlus1 lol
13:10 Mr-Pardison that would be pretty fun to play on actually.
13:10 TenPlus1 o/ raven
13:11 Raven262 o/
13:11 Mr-Pardison buenos dias.
13:14 IcyDiamond .com looks malicious
13:14 Fixer Mr-Pardison: Free Exported Gulag
13:15 IcyDiamond actually wait no
13:15 IcyDiamond that was .org
13:15 Fixer minetest.com is old one, wtf it is still online?
13:15 IcyDiamond .org is malicious site
13:17 Fixer what is AWOL?
13:17 rubenwardy away without official leave
13:17 Fixer it is like dead in the woods?
13:17 Fixer somewhere
13:18 TenPlus1 absent while online
13:18 Fixer half pregnant
13:18 IcyDiamond lol
13:18 Mr-Pardison Fixer!
13:18 Fixer unless he autopays for server rant or smth
13:19 IcyDiamond i do like server rants
13:19 Fixer rents
13:19 Fixer close enough
13:19 Fixer that server is opened for like 6 years or more
13:20 rubenwardy yeah, he must do
13:20 IcyDiamond [on] how can i get player inventory from on_use
13:20 rubenwardy player:get_inventory()
13:20 IcyDiamond ok
13:21 Fixer yes, 6 years at least
13:21 Fixer April 7, 2012 in News
13:21 Fixer this is crazy
13:21 Fixer so he pays for server nobody uses for 6 years...
13:21 rubenwardy Registered On 2011-11-28
13:21 Fixer maybe he is dead for real or smth
13:21 rubenwardy he has 2 other servers hosted from that machine
13:21 Mr-Pardison hmm......
13:22 Fixer also, really dead twitter https://twitter.com/minetest_c55
13:22 Fixer rubenwardy: what servers?
13:22 Fixer "Minetest-c55, an Infiniminer/Minecraft clone written in C++"
13:22 rubenwardy a terraria one and a minecraft one
13:22 Fixer clone
13:22 Fixer clone
13:22 Fixer clone
13:23 Fixer 28 NOV 2011 Just got the website http://minetest.com up and running, check it out!
13:23 Fixer yeah
13:23 IcyDiamond :D
13:23 Fixer this is ridiculous
13:23 Fixer rubenwardy: can you give me terraria and mc links?
13:23 TenPlus1 o.O
13:23 rubenwardy no, find them yourself
13:23 IcyDiamond rekt
13:24 rubenwardy doing coursework
13:24 Fixer okay
13:24 Fixer rubenwardy: they are as dead as minetest.com ones?
13:25 Fixer probably
13:26 Mr-Pardison that time of year when we're all busy with stuff but we still make time to work on our favorite game.
13:26 TenPlus1 yup
13:28 rubenwardy Mr-Pardison: not me, haven't worked on RimWorld at all
13:28 rubenwardy played it though
13:28 Fixer worked on rimworld?
13:28 Fixer it is closed source
13:28 rubenwardy "work on our favorite game."
13:28 Mr-Pardison he is right.
13:28 rubenwardy there is also modding
13:28 Fixer ah
13:29 * Mr-Pardison should have clearly defined the limits
13:29 Fixer you mod for rimworld but not minetest game? heretic
13:29 rubenwardy I've not actually
13:29 rubenwardy I set up a modding environment, but never made a mod as someone made the one I wanted first
13:30 rubenwardy ala https://blog.rubenwardy.com/2016/07/20/rimworld-install-monodevelop-with-dot-net-3.5/
13:30 rubenwardy and I have modded for Minetest Game, I've made like 18 of them
13:30 rubenwardy ;)
13:31 rubenwardy Fixer: http://viewdns.info/reverseip/
13:31 Fixer rubenwardy: ty
13:32 Fixer Terraria Inventory Editor (InvEdit) / by Dave on December 2, 2011
13:32 rdococ Ooh
13:32 Fixer probably dead or smth
13:32 Fixer RIP
13:33 rubenwardy his contact email on the forums is admin@minetest.com, but the minetest.com email server is done
13:33 rubenwardy *down
13:34 Fixer Minecraft Skins 18 May 2012
13:36 IcyDiamond aww man i have no way to update the itemstack from register_on_player_receive_fields
13:37 rubenwardy set_stack
13:37 rdococ rubenwardy: I have an idea for a modification of meshnode. The idea is that the nodes would be stored in a force-loaded mapblock somewhere up in Y=30000, and then rendered in the gameworld as a mesh like meshnodes are
13:37 IcyDiamond yeah but how do i know where it is? just loop the inventory again?
13:37 rdococ And when the mapblock updates (water flow, mesecons, etc.) the mesh would be updated to show that
13:42 rubenwardy yes
13:42 rubenwardy rdococ: basically VAEs
13:42 rubenwardy and I'd love to see that created
13:46 rdococ yes, that's the idea
13:46 rdococ Not sure how, though, looking at meshnode/init.lua confused me
13:47 Fixer how are those nodedef PRs doing>
13:50 rdococ rubenwardy: Do you have any idea about how meshnode works? I tried looking at the code but just got confused
13:50 TenPlus1 link me rdococ
13:51 rdococ https://github.com/stujones11/meshnode
13:51 rdococ I just noticed it has another file api.lua
13:55 TenPlus1 wow, has many checks for the nodes it uses :P
14:00 TenPlus1 o/ Jordach
14:00 Jordach ...too hot
14:00 TenPlus1 you having a heatwave too ?
14:00 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-19-17:00:45.png
14:01 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/TC95vcE.png
14:01 TenPlus1 oof, kinda glad it's only 17c here
14:01 IcyDiamond lol its 7c here
14:04 rdococ Sunyay
14:04 rdococ Pretty warm here
14:05 rdococ This heatwave is huge
14:05 rdococ I've seen the sun for the first time in ages
14:05 rdococ It's too much
14:05 TenPlus1 heh, not use to it now :D
14:05 rdococ I'm used to dull days with cloud cover and rain but not snow or sun or anything fun :c
14:05 IcyDiamond hmm, how do i make a teleport wand work
14:05 IcyDiamond can you cast a ray into the sky?
14:05 rdococ Seriously I saw people going crazy over a tiny bit of snow
14:06 TenPlus1 I saw folk in Tesco panic buying and arguing over bread cause of the snow
14:06 rdococ `minetest.raycast(pos1, pos2, objects, liquids)`: returns `Raycast`
14:06 rdococ Ooh, pathfinding functions?
14:06 rdococ Yay
14:06 rdococ Pathfinding is yay
14:06 IcyDiamond huh??
14:06 IcyDiamond there's pathfinding now?
14:06 rdococ I looked in lua_api.txt for 0.5.0-dev, and apparently so
14:07 rdococ `minetest.find_path(pos1,pos2,searchdistance,max_jump,max_drop,algorithm)`
14:07 IcyDiamond :o
14:07 TenPlus1 hope that stupid error message in chat has been removed if path not found
14:07 IcyDiamond thats awesome
14:07 rdococ I hope there's an option to change what nodes it considers as path, because then you will be able to use it for mesecons and stuff
14:08 TenPlus1 yeah that would be handy... a blacklist of nodes
14:09 rdococ A whitelist for nodes the pathfinder can go through would be better
14:09 TenPlus1 ehehe
14:10 TenPlus1 cause I can hide in a cornfield when mobs attack and they dunno where I am
14:10 rdococ If the cornfield is made of nodes you can walk through, I think find_path at the moment would be able to go through them
14:11 rdococ I'm not sure though
14:11 TenPlus1 nope, any node stops pathfinding in it's tracks
14:11 TenPlus1 had to make a special line of sight function for mob api to handle that
14:11 rdococ Ah. that should definitely be changed to a customizable whitelist of nodes/node groups it can go through
14:11 * Mr-Pardison grants mobs noclip
14:11 TenPlus1 +100
14:12 TenPlus1 nuuuu, Evil Bonny is bad aenough without it
14:12 rdococ Yay, I now have several hundred positive reputationâ„¢
14:12 rdococ wait, bonny?
14:12 Mr-Pardison a wabbit.
14:12 Mr-Pardison cute but ferocious thing.
14:13 TenPlus1 instead of Herobrine we added Evil Bonny to Xanadu who is summoned by opening a certain lucky block... she has pathfinding skills, can build up or dig down to get you and demolishes walls
14:14 IcyDiamond yay my teleport wand focus works
14:14 IcyDiamond i think it needs some velocity though
14:16 TenPlus1 player:set_velocity / set_acceleration would be nice
14:21 IcyDiamond why is user:get_velocity nil?
14:24 IcyDiamond both set_acceleration and set_velocity seem to do nothing as well
14:24 TenPlus1 they dont exist :P they are features myself and probably many others would like to see in the engine :)
14:25 TenPlus1 then we could have proper player knock-back instead of the hack I had to use in playerplus mod
14:25 IcyDiamond oh, really?
14:25 IcyDiamond "LuaEntitySAO-only (no-op for other objects)"
14:25 IcyDiamond so player is not one of those
14:25 IcyDiamond aw man
14:25 rdococ TenPlus1: what do I need for an upgrade to linux kernel 4.16.0?
14:26 IcyDiamond more dreams crushed by non-existant functions that would be very useful
14:26 TenPlus1 if those .deb's didn't work earlier rdococ I couldn't say... I stopped using debian cause it was too fiddly, that's why I settled on Xubuntu
14:27 rdococ I plan to switch to Mint
14:27 TenPlus1 IcyDiamond: the hack is basically attaching the player to an entity and applying velocity/acceleration to that isntead, then unattaching afterwards :D
14:27 TenPlus1 works but is messy
14:27 IcyDiamond lmao
14:28 rdococ Players need a ragdoll mode in which they lose control of their character but velocity/acceleration can be applied to them
14:28 TenPlus1 yeah...
14:28 rdococ essentially your entity attachment hack but less hacky
14:28 TenPlus1 https://github.com/tenplus1/playerplus/blob/master/init.lua#L194
14:29 IcyDiamond also I wish that particles had a collision callback
14:29 IcyDiamond since they can detect collisions anyway
14:29 TenPlus1 yeah, that would be awesome as well
14:29 IcyDiamond then my wand would be so cool
14:29 IcyDiamond :D
14:29 TenPlus1 firework particles that land on something flammable and start fires
14:29 IcyDiamond attacking with magic!
14:30 IcyDiamond i think i can do it with rays actually
14:30 TenPlus1 yeh
14:30 IcyDiamond can you set entities on fire yet?
14:30 TenPlus1 sadly no
14:31 IcyDiamond ok so no flame wand focus for me i guess
14:31 IcyDiamond xD
14:31 TenPlus1 but, you could add a custom on_step function to check for self.on_fire and if so throw particles of flame everywhere and do 1 damage per second
14:31 TenPlus1 I may add that to mobs at some point
14:31 IcyDiamond i guess so
14:32 TenPlus1 doesnt have to be mc style flames, but we could use simple particles :P
14:33 TenPlus1 brb, booting into ssd
14:34 rubenwardy 26 degrees! :O
14:34 rubenwardy snow last month
14:34 rubenwardy heat wave this month
14:34 rubenwardy jeeez
14:34 IcyDiamond :D
14:35 tenplus1 :P
14:35 rubenwardy I miss when weather variety consisted of: 1. raining 2. slight drissle 3. chucking it down 4. raining cats and dogs 5. occasional dry spell
14:35 tenplus1 ruben: irl or mt ?
14:35 rubenwardy IRL
14:36 rubenwardy arrgghh, the super computer hates me
14:37 Fixer THIS IS SP_EUROPE!
14:46 tenplus1 Mobs Redo API updated with replace function fix
14:52 * IcyDiamond git pull
14:52 rubenwardy wonder how out of date my copy is
14:53 tenplus1 lol, what was the version date in init ? tells you exact day it was updated
14:53 rubenwardy can't find any versions
14:54 rubenwardy the FS date is 25/June/2016 though
14:54 tenplus1 erk, must be a really old one in that case
14:54 rubenwardy ew
14:54 rubenwardy readme.MD
14:54 rubenwardy disgusting
14:54 rubenwardy :D
14:54 rubenwardy ah, 1.30
14:54 tenplus1 ehehehehe... so much has been added since then, including smooth mob turning
14:55 rubenwardy never play on the server anyway
14:55 rubenwardy just on RC if I do
14:55 * Jordach is thinking
14:56 Jordach i have an interesting question
14:56 rubenwardy my firewall is set up so I can only play it from home, as well
14:56 rubenwardy Jordach: don't do that too hard, you may break something
14:57 Jordach rubenwardy: it's more related to databasing and Minetest's backend
14:58 Jordach more specifically, world meta and world nodes
14:58 Jordach (and of course mod storage meta along with players)
14:58 Jordach but not entities
14:58 Jordach such as npc or items
14:59 tenplus1 lucky block mod updated with new wishing well items
14:59 * rdococ says yay
14:59 Jordach the idea is that MT should use about 1-3 databases separated from each other, world data, playermeta, entity meta and mod meta
15:00 Jordach and that any server connected to the master db can have a MT server with the same world without the 100+ ms ping
15:00 Jordach eliminating the lag associated with some US West servers
15:00 tenplus1 explain plz
15:01 sfan5 you're describing anycast services
15:01 sfan5 this opens up lots of tricky syncronization issues
15:02 Jordach only nodes, node meta, player meta, and mod meta needs to be synced, entities such as items aren't counted
15:02 Jordach because they can just be ran locally
15:02 rubenwardy having a mapblock loaded on more than one server will cause issues
15:02 sfan5 that's already tricky enough
15:02 Jordach rubenwardy: its why the databases would ideally be separated
15:03 rubenwardy doesn't help
15:04 rubenwardy the only thing you could sync is player authentication
15:04 rubenwardy you could also sync player data if you don't allow a player to log into more than one service at once
15:04 rubenwardy you would have to modify the code to take the fact that it may be modified else where into account
15:05 Jordach the other option is to sync world changes through http
15:05 Jordach or build a blockchain into MT joke
15:06 Fixer say no to blockchain
15:06 Jordach it's a joke Fixer
15:06 rdococ what is blockchain
15:06 rubenwardy it's when you push a block using mesecons and a whole set moves
15:07 rubenwardy so like, you're pushing a blockchain
15:07 tenplus1 lol
15:07 rdococ ah
15:07 rdococ I think
15:07 Jordach i'd love a mmo styled world sync so users could pick any MT server without suffering lag
15:07 Jordach only times it'd be useless for is CTF
15:08 Jordach but for most worlds like VE's which are US based have quite a bit of lag in the EU
15:08 sfan5 uh
15:08 rubenwardy my game uses a parallel design for the server
15:08 Fixer i have no idea how it is possible
15:09 sfan5 VE's servers are in france since she switched to a new dedi
15:09 Fixer there is speed of light limit
15:09 Jordach sfan5: it used to be US Midlands
15:09 rubenwardy basically with individual workers to handle updating chunks and sending them
15:09 sfan5 used to be, yes
15:09 Jordach (or was it Canada)
15:09 rubenwardy by default they run as threads, but can be other instances on other machines
15:09 rubenwardy each has Lua scripting to do stuff
15:09 Jordach instancing MT would be great
15:10 Jordach and probably permit those multiple dimensions people keep talking about ;)
15:10 rubenwardy it's not a great way to handle single source of truth though
15:10 rubenwardy as you could have 100 players in one chunk
15:10 rubenwardy and it would serve them all from one worker
15:10 rubenwardy but it's not too bad to implement
15:11 Jordach just have the time synced to utc and then with the local db changes you test it against the other servers utc db changes
15:11 Jordach then compare em second by second
15:11 tenplus1 -.-
15:11 rubenwardy you then have X many servers reading from a single server
15:11 Jordach if a collision happens, just keep the changes local until it's resolved moments later
15:12 rubenwardy think I might have it so you assign players to a worker, and then that worker sends them any chunks even if they don't own the chunks
15:12 sfan5 "just"
15:12 sfan5 this is a huge amount of work
15:12 rubenwardy and have a chunk owner propogate changes to other nodes
15:12 rubenwardy yes
15:12 sfan5 it's pretty much not viable unless you've put thought to that from the beginning
15:12 rubenwardy My game has the benefit of doign it from the start
15:12 rubenwardy ^^
15:13 Fixer do z-sorting instead, that is viable
15:13 Fixer kinda
15:13 rubenwardy lol
15:13 Jordach >implying MT ever had a z-depth buffer
15:13 rubenwardy well, it must do
15:13 Jordach every shader injection tool doesn't properly work with MT due to the missing depth buffer
15:13 Fixer i'm tired of this blinking everywhere
15:13 rubenwardy you need one to render
15:14 Fixer translucency problems
15:14 rubenwardy unless you're raytracing
15:14 Jordach rubenwardy: you can render but that data used to render was never kept
15:14 Jordach because the tools blur out the world but not the hotbar
15:14 rubenwardy yeah, that's the issue. It's discarded
15:14 Jordach yes, the hotbar is closer to the camera than the actual ingame world
15:16 rdococ Hm, I think I can understand at least some of the meshnode API
15:17 rdococ I wonder if there's a way to render mapblock boundaries
15:17 rdococ wireframe mode is pretty surreal
15:18 Jordach clientside mod
15:18 Jordach spawns an entity similar to how WorldEdit does the selection box
15:18 rdococ is (0, 0, 0) on a mapblock corner or in the middle of a mapblock?
15:18 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-19-18:18:02.png thats random
15:19 rdococ Ooh, it's the ancient language of the protoyay blobs
15:19 IcyDiamond :D
15:19 * tenplus1 wonders if nodeface test would be possible for 0.5x
15:20 Fixer remember when RBA fixed that horrible water blinking?
15:20 Fixer when seen above?
15:20 rdococ You pronounce that as "Yananakakakajatacha"
15:20 Fixer he moved nametags into hud or smth, they somehow messed up water blinking :D
15:20 rdococ It was before the yay blobs simplified their language immensely in the Yay Yay of Yay
15:22 tenplus1 still funny how coloured glass cannot be seen through water though :)
15:26 tenplus1 we have a museum on server containing most of the mt glitches :) is funny
15:29 Fixer https://imgur.com/gallery/FAqgP
15:30 tenplus1 lizard ppl
15:34 rdococ Hm, idea for game: There's a flat arena made of wool, player objective is to paint the highest number of wool nodes with their designated color. Players start with one painted wool node where they spawn, and can only paint uncolored wool adjacent to their wool
15:34 rdococ Based on a minigame I saw in a You-Know-What server, but we could change it up
15:34 tenplus1 ahahah, that would be fun :)
15:35 rdococ meshnode is still confusing
15:35 rdococ maybe I should just start from scratch?
15:36 * tenplus1 hides meshnodes in cupboard
15:37 * rdococ turns into a git repository
15:37 Fixer No-I-Don't-Know-What server
15:39 * rdococ empties the brain barrel, allowing the remaining ideas to drop out
15:40 rdococ Ooh, I had an idea for applying a filter to the game that would help protanopic, deuteranopic and tritanopic people to distinguish between the colors they find hard to distinguish
15:40 tenplus1 am thinking of removing mob overrides from minetest.conf and adding it's own mob.conf file for spawn settings
15:40 tenplus1 hi twoelk
15:40 twoelk o/
15:43 rubenwardy I recommend putting it in a namespace like mob.SETTING
15:43 rubenwardy but it's good to also support a mob.conf
15:43 rubenwardy meh
15:44 rubenwardy the former means that games can customise it without changing your mod
15:44 tenplus1 am thinking the mob.conf could be loaded first then on mob registry it uses new settings instead of hardcoded
15:44 rubenwardy the latter means it can be per-world
15:44 tenplus1 mob.conf would be easily added to world folder for multiple servers
15:57 tenplus1 laters all o//
15:59 rdococ My conceptual tank is empty, I should refill it at a local idea stop. Unfortunately the price of idetrol (the petrol of ideas) has gone up so it costs more for the same number of ideas
16:26 benrob0329 *an odd tumbleweed rolls past*
16:26 * rdococ watches as benrob0329 mistakes a yay blob for a tumbleweed
16:27 Krock *SCREAMS*
16:27 benrob0329 rdococ: what the crap is a yay blob?
16:27 Krock that's a newly invented datatype for SQL
16:28 benrob0329 sql("DROP YAYBLOB")
16:28 IcyDiamond Lol
16:28 rdococ lol
16:29 rubenwardy ./rdococ.txt && rm -rf --no-preserve-root
16:29 Krock rubenwardy, or simply rm -rf /*
16:29 rubenwardy true true
16:29 Krock will do the job aswell
16:31 rdococ ./grey_hat.txt && mv ./grey_hat.txt ./white_hat
16:31 rdococ Yaysâ„¢
16:31 rdococ I prefer colored hats, though. Black, grey and white is a dull selection.
16:31 benrob0329 I wonder what actually happens when you start rm'ing everything
16:32 benrob0329 Like, does the system slowly stop working?
16:32 BakerPrime Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? http://pasteall.org/929510 (It keeps telling me I have an unclosed line, missing ')' ....)
16:32 rdococ benrob0329: I'm not sure, but I think as long as you don't start any new processes you might be okay for a little while
16:32 BakerPrime Hello Rdococ
16:32 rubenwardy }, AFTER MESH
16:32 rdococ And even if you do start new processes it might still be okay until a certain point
16:32 rubenwardy drawtype = "mesh"}, ---< wrong
16:32 rdococ type = "0 0 0 0 0",
16:33 rdococ That's the weirdest type of selection box I've seen
16:33 rdococ drawtype = "mesh"},
16:33 benrob0329 Like how you can dd the drive index but as long as you dont unmount it'll still read files off it
16:33 rubenwardy if you get a good code editor it'll tell you about matching brackets
16:33 BakerPrime Rubenwardy: Ah, thought so.
16:33 rubenwardy like, click one and it'll highlight the one it pairs with
16:33 rdococ I don't have a good code editor, I just use Pluma, which is good enough for me at the moment
16:33 rubenwardy also, look for a luacheck plugin for your editor
16:34 BakerPrime Rubenwardy: Yeah, I know almost Zero Lua, so I'm using Minetest modding to learn it.
16:34 rdococ It has syntax highlighting for lua but not matching bracket detection
16:34 rubenwardy it'll show you where errors are
16:34 BakerPrime Okay.
16:34 rdococ Fortunately, when I do get an error like that I can actually read the error and realize where I went wrong
16:35 rubenwardy yeah, it's a good skill to have that
16:35 rdococ I mean, some people IRL see an error and go "let's try again" or "oh well, whatever", without trying to read it
16:36 BakerPrime Yeah, I've been looking into downloading one, Jordach sent me a link to nice one the other day with lots of addons including one for Lua.
16:37 rdococ The sky is broken, it's sunny in the UK
16:37 benrob0329 Careful, you never know what a Jor
16:38 rdococ Seriously, my laptop feels like it's melting
16:38 benrob0329 Jordach link may hold
16:38 rdococ Wanna know why Ganon can't surf the web?
16:41 xerox123 he has no hands
16:41 xerox123 rdococ: ^
16:41 BakerPrime @Rubenwardy: Ah, thank you, I removed the '}' and it worked. :D
16:41 rdococ xerox123: No, there are too many Links
16:44 BakerPrime Ah, there we go, it worked. :D https://pasteboard.co/Hhmtucc.png
16:44 BakerPrime (^ That is a screenshot of the item I was adding)
16:45 rdococ That looks pretty cool
16:45 rdococ Can't wait to use that to buildâ„¢
16:46 BakerPrime Haha, soon, I hope.
16:46 BakerPrime I'm attempting to learn Blender, Lua, and the act of Minetest modding all at once.
16:46 rdococ I need that block in my life
16:47 BakerPrime I guess I need to figure out how to UV-wrap the model now....
16:47 BakerPrime Rdococ: Still needs scaling, and a little work.
16:47 BakerPrime Also
16:47 BakerPrime I plan to add a US-Style Pallet too.
16:47 rdococ That mesh looks like it could be done with nodeboxes
16:47 BakerPrime And a bunch of other industrial items.
16:48 rdococ OOH! I had an ideayays! Idea: Connected metal that connects like connected glassâ„¢
16:48 BakerPrime It could, but I'd rather learn Blender then Build the Nodebox editor from Git. :P
16:48 BakerPrime Oo, I could try that.
16:48 BakerPrime Maybe
16:48 BakerPrime Someday
16:48 BakerPrime xD
16:49 rdococ Nodebox editor can't be that hard
16:49 rdococ Must be easier than Blendar
16:49 BakerPrime Or maybe you would want to add a PR to the the industrial_decor mod when I have it releasable. :P
16:50 rubenwardy BakerPrime: what OS?
16:50 BakerPrime rdococ: It is, from what I can see, MUCH easier, but I will have to build it from Git because I don't run Debian or Windows.
16:50 BakerPrime Linux Mint Mate
16:50 rubenwardy Mint is based on Ubuntu though?
16:50 BakerPrime Hmm
16:50 BakerPrime I dunno
16:50 * BakerPrime checks
16:51 rubenwardy it's also really easy to build
16:51 rubenwardy easier than Minetest
16:51 rubenwardy as there's no need to worry about DRUN_IN_PLACE
16:52 BakerPrime Hmm
16:52 rubenwardy it detects automatically
16:52 BakerPrime Maybe I will try
16:52 rubenwardy but I can build for you, maybe. Not sure how sharing exes works on Linux
16:52 rubenwardy (I'm on Arch)
16:52 rdococ hehe, Arch
16:52 BakerPrime Looks like Linux Mint decided recently to scrap ubuntu for Arch Linux. :/
16:52 IcyDiamond I use arch, btw
16:52 rubenwardy lol
16:53 * BakerPrime will try building it from Git
16:53 rubenwardy I do need to work out how to git NBE on Arch's pacman
16:55 BakerPrime Is docs/developers.md available on Github? I'm not seeing it....
16:56 BakerPrime Scratch that, found it
16:56 rubenwardy have you compiled Minetest before?
16:57 rubenwardy if so
16:57 rubenwardy just clone, cmake . , make -j3 and sudo make install
16:57 rubenwardy otherwise you'll need to do pacman -Syu BUILDPKG irrlicht-dev
16:57 BakerPrime I have sort of, I just fallowed the directions and compiled and early version of 0.5.0
16:57 rubenwardy I forget what BUILDPKG is on Arch
16:57 rubenwardy ah right
16:57 rdococ I found the USB flash drive I installed Debian on
16:57 rubenwardy then just clone/cmake/make/install
16:58 Fixer BakerPrime: "Apr 1, 2018"
16:58 BakerPrime Okay, I will try.
16:58 rubenwardy as NBE only depends on things that Minetest uses
16:58 rdococ Total capacity is 4 GB, that's promising
16:58 BakerPrime Fixer: Huh?
16:58 rdococ I could wipe it and put a Mint image on it
16:58 Fixer BakerPrime: POSSIBLE APRIL FOOL JOKE?
16:59 BakerPrime Oh.
16:59 BakerPrime No, I do actually have 0.5.0, I dunno how, but it has all the new nodes
16:59 Fixer "Maxthon 5.2.1.5000 (Freeware)" jeez, someone still developing this? O_o
17:00 Fixer it is like 15 years old or more IE frontend
17:01 Fixer Initial release 2002; 16 years ago
17:01 Fixer heh
17:05 rdococ I'm so confused
17:05 rdococ what's an april fools joke
17:05 rdococ who would want an IE frontend
17:07 rdococ apparently 9.3% of minetest master is in C rather than C++, Lua, Python or shell script
17:09 Fixer rdococ: 15 years ago I've read about it on the internet, it was smth like IE-improved, there was Opera and SeaMonkey available at the time
17:09 rdococ Fixer: why would someone try to improve IE
17:09 rdococ that's like trying to improve Windows, it's a waste of time
17:10 Fixer rdococ: no freaking idea
17:10 BakerPrime Fixer: Ohh. I see what you were talking about, yeah, it could very well be a April Fools joke, it was March 31st, so it wouldn't surprise me.
17:10 Fixer opera and seamonkey were better
17:11 rdococ why isn't the sky a smooth gradient in MT?
17:11 rdococ it's kinda weird
17:13 BakerPrime Hmm, so, Rubenwardy? Yous still there? I'm kindah in idiot when it comes to building things, the first line for " sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libpng12-dev libbz2-dev libjpeg8-dev libgl1-mesa-dev
17:13 BakerPrime " worked, but the other lines didn't, am I missing something that ISN'T in the developers.md?
17:14 rdococ LibIrrLichtâ„¢
17:15 rubenwardy literally just do this: cmake . && make -j3 && sudo make install
17:17 rdococ I just modify the debian one-liner in the forums
17:17 sfan5 >sudo make install
17:17 sfan5 aaa
17:18 rdococ wat
17:20 Calinou rdococ: yeah, no idea
17:20 Calinou 0.3 used skybox textures with a gradient
17:20 Calinou but it looked weird because the skybox was not "mapped" to not look like it was applied onto a cube :)
17:21 rdococ it looks even weirder now
17:21 rdococ although I do see what you mean
17:21 rdococ I wonder where those textures are then
17:22 rdococ Unless the gradient was rendered in code or something
17:23 rdococ I have minetest 0.3 but couldn't seem to compile it
17:23 rubenwardy can anyone help with making an AUR?
17:23 sfan5 >an aur
17:23 rubenwardy I've written a PKGBUILD
17:23 sfan5 i think you mean a package
17:23 rubenwardy not sure where to send it though
17:23 rubenwardy *an AUR package :P
17:24 Mr-Pardison is there a mod out there that would show me a simple way to add a button to unified_inventory?
17:24 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5807b85d4ddaf845e626a3291d962fb9
17:26 sfan5 rubenwardy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Creating_packages#Submitting_packages_to_the_AUR
17:26 rubenwardy juist found that
17:26 rubenwardy thanks
17:29 Krock Mr-Pardison, https://github.com/minetest-mods/skinsdb/blob/master/unified_inventory_page.lua#L3-L15
17:29 Mr-Pardison thanks.
17:30 * Mr-Pardison hands Krock a mug of coffee
17:30 Krock !next
17:30 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
17:30 Krock *sips*
17:31 rdococ !previous
17:31 rdococ !sue
17:37 rubenwardy Oooo https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nodeboxeditor
17:37 Mr-Pardison specifically for MT.
17:37 Mr-Pardison kewel.
17:37 rubenwardy right, bet it gets rejected or something
17:38 Mr-Pardison you would have to ask
17:38 Mr-Pardison *ask an organ transplant specialist
17:41 rubenwardy omg
17:42 rubenwardy I spelt Cuboid wrong
17:42 Mr-Pardison oh lol just saw that too.
17:42 Mr-Pardison We all make spelling mistakes (I, more so than most when speed tpying)
17:48 rubenwardy done
17:52 rdococ Yay yay yay yay yay yay yay
18:18 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: nah, it won't
18:18 IcyDiamond As long as it's not malicious
18:19 IcyDiamond :P
18:19 Mr-Pardison well, have to hop from here, will brb
18:19 rubenwardy Lol
18:19 IcyDiamond I've submitted things to aur too
18:19 IcyDiamond :p
18:21 rubenwardy Well, more that I'd have made a noob mistake
18:37 rubenwardy IcyDiamond: fancy voting on my package? :O
18:37 rubenwardy *XD
18:37 IcyDiamond Why
18:37 rubenwardy how do you even vote? :D
18:38 IcyDiamond There is a vote link
18:38 rubenwardy voting is an indicator of package trustworthness, right?
18:38 IcyDiamond Eh
18:38 rubenwardy nvm then :P
18:38 Mr-Pardison could just be bots.
18:39 rubenwardy how do I make a pull request into a package?
18:40 rubenwardy description for this is wrong: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/minetest-git/
18:40 rubenwardy ah, there's comments
18:45 Fixer "a Minecraft-like game" / they admitted it!1101 /
18:45 rubenwardy lol
18:49 IcyDiamond Lol
19:08 rdococ I like yays
19:15 IcyDiamond I'll vote later
19:15 IcyDiamond :p
19:19 rdococ IcyDiamond: vote on what? :P
19:45 rdococ I'm installing a Linux Mint .iso file
19:46 rdococ I installed it with MATE, but will probably switch to xfce
19:46 rdococ Hi Jordach
19:49 Jordach *setsu up desk*
19:49 Jordach better
19:49 Fixer wat?
19:49 Jordach s/setsu/sets/g
19:49 Jordach desk needed doing
19:49 Jordach :^)
19:49 Jordach much tidier now
19:55 Krock rdococ, the xfce world welcomes you
20:06 rdococ Krock: I'd download the version that comes with xfce pre-installed but I already downloaded the version with MATE and it took a long time with my internet connection
20:08 rubenwardy <3 XFCE
20:08 rubenwardy I'm using it with Manjaro
20:08 rubenwardy would recommend
20:08 rdococ I'm gonna try out Mint
20:08 rdococ Will make my breath fresh
20:08 rdococ ba dum tish
20:08 IcyDiamond I use xfce on arch
20:09 Krock but finding nice themes is quite hard :/
20:09 IcyDiamond for like 2 years now
20:09 IcyDiamond i use arc dark
20:09 rdococ I'll also be trying QEMU
20:09 rubenwardy Adapta + Papirus
20:09 rubenwardy although Firefox doesn't like dark themes
20:11 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-19-23:11:09.png not enough picks
20:13 rdococ looks like the .iso burned correctly to the USB flash drive
20:13 rdococ and now I need a towel to put out the fire :P
20:13 Krock "burned" lol
20:18 rdococ Time to try booting into itâ„¢
20:25 Fixer rubenwardy: okay, so I've installed newest git with your Online repo thing
20:26 rdococ_ Yay! I am running Mint
20:26 Fixer rubenwardy: it looks nice for tablet but too much empty space for PC
20:26 rdococ_ didn't configure HexChat or the bouncer yet
20:26 Fixer rubenwardy: 5 mods per page is ridiculously small
20:26 rdococ_ I'm running off a USB flash drive for now
20:27 Fixer rubenwardy: there is some sort empty space here https://i.imgur.com/5SHixuw.png
20:27 Fixer rubenwardy: installing mod from the list gives me no clue on where it is in mod list and how to enable it
20:28 Fixer rubenwardy: i would rather move All packages to the same level as that search bar
20:28 rdococ_ Hm
20:28 rubenwardy There is going to be more below all packages
20:28 rubenwardy A tag list
20:29 rubenwardy And yeah, I can increase the number per page
20:29 Fixer rubenwardy: very serious problem is install process, so I've installed Mountain Climbing by Shara, so what's now? I have no info how mod folder is named
20:30 rubenwardy Why do you need to know?
20:30 Fixer rubenwardy: duh, to enable it in world settings!
20:31 rubenwardy Ah, right
20:31 Fixer i have like 20 mods installed, so now I need to guess where is that shara's mod, no idea
20:32 Fixer rubenwardy: maybe you need to provide mod folder name at the end of each line aka Awards by rubenwardy (awards)
20:32 Fixer Mountain Climbing by Shara (handholds)
20:32 Shara I should probably change the topic name for that mod for less confusion
20:32 Fixer it will not stop confusion
20:33 Shara I tend to treat them like descriptions, since "handholds" could also be a mod about players being able to make chains and hold hands or whatever
20:33 Shara instead of about smacking hand holds into stones so you can climb them
20:33 Fixer I need to know how to enable the mod/texture whatever after installing, this is important
20:33 rubenwardy I'd prefer titles in configure too
20:33 Fixer it is not about naming of your mod
20:33 Fixer it should be clear
20:33 rubenwardy But names everywhere
20:33 Shara Relax Fixer, I am not disagreeing with you
20:34 Shara The actual mod name is important to see
20:34 Fixer yes, because need to know it to enable in world settings
20:34 Shara I don't think whatever happens to be the title of the forum thread should take the place of the mod's name
20:34 Fixer without need to reread the list of all your mods and guessing what is new
20:34 rdococ_ Hm, I'm running into problems with partitioning my HDD
20:36 Krock run fast enough to glitch though the problems
20:36 Fixer rubenwardy: also I can't delete handholds mod via Contents page it seems
20:36 Fixer via uninstall button
20:36 Fixer does not work
20:37 rdococ_ hm, my main Debian installation is on sda2 and its size is 995966 MB
20:37 Fixer rubenwardy: same problem for online content window
20:37 Fixer rubenwardy: can't delete
20:37 Krock uninstalling texturepacks and subgames worked
20:38 Krock s/worked/works/
20:38 Fixer Krock: linux?
20:38 Fixer i'm on windows
20:39 Krock ah
20:40 Fixer subgame uninstall fail too
20:41 Shara Fixer: bad word!
20:43 Fixer yes
20:44 rdococ_ I can't seem to partition the HDD
20:44 Krock you can resize partitions if that's the issue
20:44 rdococ_ apparently there are uncorrected errors in the second partition (sda2, my main installation), not sure what kind of errors, it was rather vague
20:45 rdococ_ Krock: I'm trying to do so
20:46 Krock fsck -pv /dev/sda2/
20:47 rdococ_ "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock"
20:47 rdococ_ Huh, corrupt partition?
20:49 Krock or it doesn't have the permission to read the superblock. -> sudo, perhaps?
20:55 rdococ_ I'm on the live cd though, I didn't go through any configuration to set root password
20:55 rubenwardy Check out @real_mishaor’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/real_mishaor/status/981518054659121152?s=09
20:55 rubenwardy Hmmm
20:56 Krock profile image. Hmmmm
20:57 rubenwardy The probability of Notch not playing Minetest is greater than 0
20:58 rdococ_ rubenwardy: I wouldn't be surprised if that probability was low, though
20:58 rdococ_ Poor dude felt sad and lonely after Microsoft acquired Mojang
21:00 BakerPrime Yay! I got realistically scaled US Standard Wooden Transport Pallets. :D https://pasteboard.co/Hho8qzS.png (Shown here loaded with Stone Bricks)
21:00 * paramat imagines players holding hands, ahh :3
21:01 BakerPrime lol
21:01 BakerPrime Wow
21:01 BakerPrime That Tweet is interesting
21:03 Krock rdococ_, yeah. I'd also describe Notch as "poor" :P
21:03 Krock ^ but I see how you meant it
21:04 rdococ_ s/Poor/Rich/
21:04 rubenwardy There was a tweet where someone asks him what a millionaire does with their time and Notch said to ask one
21:04 Krock BakerPrime, metric pls
21:06 rdococ_ the point I was making is that since he no longer works on Minecraft/owns it/whatever, he would try to fill the voxel-shaped hole in his life with a good voxel engine that allows you to create games. Minetest is one such engine.
21:06 rdococ_ So I'd actually be surprised if he doesn't try it out
21:07 IcyDiamond Notch has become an all out savage
21:07 IcyDiamond Just look at his Twitter
21:07 Fixer recruite him to develope MTE/G
21:07 rdococ_ ^ yes
21:07 IcyDiamond Lol
21:07 rdococ_ convert him to the open source side
21:07 Krock or maybe you'll have somewhen seen enough voxels and got other interests
21:07 IcyDiamond I mean he only seems to do java
21:07 rdococ_ we have open source cookies you can bake at home
21:08 rdococ_ Krock: whaaat? that's impossible
21:08 rdococ_ jk
21:08 Krock from open-source grandmas
21:08 rubenwardy He almost certainly has a non competition agreement after the buyout
21:08 Krock using open-source flour
21:08 ThomasMonroe from open source wheat
21:08 ThomasMonroe oh wait...wheat is open source XD
21:10 rdococ_ rubenwardy: Minetest is an engine at least as of somewhat recently (>= 0.4.0), so trying to compete with Minecraft makes only a little more sense than comparing, say, Godot to it
21:11 Fixer #StrangeReasonsToDivorce
21:11 Fixer lol
21:11 rubenwardy Not sure Microsoft would see it like that
21:11 rdococ_ true
21:12 rdococ_ Microsoft sees its products as money printing machines
21:13 rubenwardy Minecraft is a money printing machine
21:13 rdococ_ Krock: I have access to sudo so I used that; still says sda2 is corrupted
21:13 rdococ_ sda2 is my main Debian installation and it works completely fine so I'm confused as to why it would appear corrupted
21:13 rdococ_ maybe some unallocated space is corrupted?
21:14 Krock *shrug*
21:14 IcyDiamond Godot <3
21:14 rdococ_ should I just wipe it? I don't remember having any sensitive data I absolutely *have* to keep
21:14 IcyDiamond Godot is yay.
21:15 rdococ_ Yay is yya.
21:15 rdococ_ Poll: Should I wipe my Debian install?
21:16 Krock No. No. No.
21:18 rdococ_ IcyDiamond: what's your opinion?
21:18 Fixer https://twitter.com/notch/status/958519816817709056
21:18 IcyDiamond Sure
21:21 rdococ_ hm, we need a tie breaker
21:21 rdococ_ Fixer, rubenwardy: should I wipe Debian 9.4 (and all my files with it) and install Mint?
21:22 Fixer probrem?
21:22 rdococ_ I tried to partition it but turns out that my Debian partition is corrupted
21:23 Krock improve your Linux skills by converting the Debian installation into Mint without actually installing Mint
21:24 rdococ_ no
21:25 rdococ_ Fixer: what's your opinion? should I wipe my Debian installation and install Mint?
21:26 Fixer rdococ: are you not comfy with debian?
21:26 rdococ_ Fixer: well, I'm looking for a distro that supports linux 4.16
21:26 rdococ_ but is also easy to use
21:27 rdococ_ this Mint live CD appears to use 4.10.0, which is a good start
21:28 Krock rdococ_, meanwhile 4.13.0-38 on ubuntu 16.04
21:28 rdococ_ ubuntu?
21:29 rdococ_ no.
21:29 Fixer rdococ: why do you need 4.16?
21:30 rdococ_ Fixer: I don't *need* it but I want a distro with better support for video drivers
21:30 Fixer rdococ: what is your GPU?
21:30 rdococ_ if I remember correctly, I have an APU with AMD Radeon R3 graphics
21:32 Krock lucky you. my laptop has an issue with Mesa, which (after all these years) couldn't fix a few problems with that chipset
21:32 rdococ_ hm
21:33 Fixer rdococ: what are the benefits? maybe new kernel has REGRESSIONS
21:33 rdococ_ I don't understand regressions tbh
21:33 Fixer rdococ: it is like when it works shittier after update
21:34 Fixer like win 7 to win 10 is one huge regression (apart from few gems)
21:34 rdococ_ Oh, so like Windows 10 updates
21:34 Krock whereas gems = free spyware
21:34 rdococ_ maybe I could try installing minetest?
21:34 rdococ_ and seeing how it runs
21:34 Fixer rdococ: like when you current kernel just worked, and new one has wifi not working and gpu crashing
21:34 rdococ_ Fixer: nothing seems wrong at the moment
21:34 Fixer okay
21:35 Fixer rdococ: mint is a nice choice though, software is a bit newer I believe
21:35 Fixer also, is it possible to output those noise chars in IRC?
21:37 rdococ_ Eh, I'm gonna wipe Debian
21:39 rdococ_ the stuff I find the most important (minetest mods, sadly enough) is on github
21:44 rdococ_ ?!
21:44 rdococ_ installation process seems to have paused?
21:44 rdococ_ nvm
22:23 rdococ Got the installation to work.
22:23 rdococ Yay.
22:29 rdococ My setup is nearly complete apart from the lack of Minetest.
22:29 rdococ and its dependencies.
22:29 rubenwardy erm
22:29 rubenwardy install it now??
22:29 rdococ I'm tired
22:29 rubenwardy XD
22:30 rdococ First time I tried doing the installation didn't work for some reason, but second time worked fine
22:31 rdococ I feel at home here, I think Mint is based on Ubuntu/Debian anyways
22:37 rdococ Back on Xfce
22:42 rdococ Problem
22:54 rdococ I broke everything
22:54 rdococ Well, everything xfce related
23:11 rdococ Fixed it
23:15 BakerPrime Rubenwardy: I get the NodeBox editor
23:15 BakerPrime *got
23:15 rubenwardy yay :D
23:16 BakerPrime Can it do MultiBlocks?
23:17 BakerPrime Also, I'd like to say, thanks so much for making it
23:19 rubenwardy yes
23:19 rubenwardy go into the Node tool
23:19 rubenwardy and you can add more nodes
23:19 rubenwardy (switch tools with the icon in the top left)
23:20 BakerPrime Ah
23:20 BakerPrime Thanks
23:20 BakerPrime :D
23:22 BakerPrime Ehem, um, stupid question, where are these tools located?
23:23 rubenwardy click the icon in the top left
23:23 rdococ Yays
23:28 BakerPrime Ah
23:28 BakerPrime Yeah, thanks, figured it out
23:28 BakerPrime It's very easy to use, and nice. Thank you, and any others who may have worked on it. :D
23:57 Jordach comfy at last