Time  Nick            Message
00:37 benrob0329      Hello
00:48 benrob0329      Perhaps someone should just email the copyright owner of Nyan Cat to either get minetest cleared once and for all or not at all
00:48 VanessaE        been there, done that, got the "fuck off" email to go with it.
00:49 benrob0329      so he dont give a crap
00:49 benrob0329      great
00:50 VanessaE        years ago, when the issue first came up, I emailed him asking for licensing info.  he wanted nothing to do with MT, called it a rip off, demanded his imagery be removed.  that's what led me to make the revised nyan cat.
00:50 benrob0329      the creator of the worlds most well known meme doesn't have the nerve to give a straight answer on license
00:50 VanessaE        and now he's sued and won against Warner Bros (well, settled out of court I guess).  so fuck him.
00:51 VanessaE        the safest course of action was to remove the nyan cat entirely and come up with something new and roughly equal in "cuteness". hence, pbj pup.
00:51 benrob0329      I think the bread should be a bit less brown
00:51 VanessaE        that's the crust :)
00:51 benrob0329      it doesn't contrast nicely
00:54 paramat         i think that brown is peanut butter on the outside
00:54 VanessaE        the outside edge?  that's crust.  the middle is peanut butter. :)
00:56 paramat         yeah
00:56 benrob0329      Aa for the "rip off", minetest was created around the same time that notch's channel still had early dev videos
00:56 paramat         now i'm hungry
00:57 * VanessaE      hands paramat a fluffernutter
00:57 VanessaE        :)
00:57 benrob0329      What on earth is a fluffernutter?
00:57 paramat         thanks, i'll eat it once i research what it is
00:57 * benrob0329    hands paramat a jelly baby
00:59 * Shara         suddenly feels hungry
00:59 paramat         hehe
01:00 benrob0329       Would you like a jelly baby? 
01:01 VanessaE        paramat: it's peanut butter + "marshmallow fluff" in a sandwich, sometimes toasted.
01:02 Shara           I'm tired enough that that sounds tasty...
01:04 VanessaE        I've never actually had one.
01:04 VanessaE        though marshmallow fluff is tasty.
01:05 Shara           It sounds nommy
01:05 Shara           I'm not even completely sure I like peanut butter though. We don't really have it here
01:08 benrob0329      O_O
01:08 shivajiva       I think it's fairer to say we have it but it's never been popular, most of us have bought a jar at some point and it turned a funny colour in the fridge after it was opened
01:08 Shara           Hewh, well I never have!
01:08 Shara           heh*
01:09 benrob0329      you refrigerated it??
01:09 shivajiva       yea I even changed it from all to most after I thought about your statement xD
01:10 benrob0329      Ive never chilled penut butter in my life
01:10 shivajiva       pretty sure that's where my jar ended up
01:10 benrob0329      That might explain why it never got eaten
01:11 benrob0329      penut butter gets hard to spread in the fridge
01:11 shivajiva       bought one for my daughter to try and that never made it to the fridge, it went straight to the bin lol
01:11 shivajiva       same with the cashew nut butter
01:12 benrob0329      How dare you ditch perfectly good penut butterZ
01:12 benrob0329      *butter!
01:12 shivajiva       I apologise, sorry :)
01:13 shivajiva       but we love Marmite in our house
01:13 benrob0329      I shall have to relay this message of penut abuse to the great King Jif Skippy himself!
01:14 shivajiva       now I'm wondering what marmite n peanut butter tastes like
01:14 shivajiva       rofl gn ;)
01:14 Shara           Probably like the world ending, one way or another >.>
01:14 Shara           I better sleep too, night all :)
01:15 VanessaE        night :)
01:15 * benrob0329    boots up his computer with a nice boal of chocolate ice cream
01:16 benrob0329      Boal? Bole? Ebola?
01:16 benrob0329      Idk
02:46 VanessaE        Calinou: carbone_mobs appears to be trying to reach for character.x, and failing.
04:17 octacian        night all!
04:40 OldCoder        The first Minebest source tarball is ready.
04:40 OldCoder        Fatures: (1) the old sneak code is included, (2) it works with both old and new maps, (3) it saves to the old map format, and (4) it doesn't break Technic.
04:40 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/minetest-170326.tbz
04:40 OldCoder        http://minetest.org/
04:40 OldCoder        Thank you for your time.
04:41 OldCoder        Calinou, est31, cheapie, octacian, Zeno`, TheReaperKing, Sokomine, shivajiva, Lunatrius ^
04:41 Calinou         2masshighlight5me
04:56 nore            "(4) it doesn't break Technic." ?!?
05:07 TommyTreasure   nore, it did on my server
05:08 TommyTreasure   could no longer promote technic drills
05:08 nore            TommyTreasure: way so, what was the problem?
05:08 nore            (has this even been reported?)
05:09 TommyTreasure   i'm not a coder, so keep that in mind.  i can only relate the symptoms....
05:09 TommyTreasure   drill mode promotion requires shift click
05:09 nore            ok
05:09 nore            and?
05:10 TommyTreasure   would not promote past mode 1
05:10 nore            ehm
05:11 nore            this is strange
05:11 TommyTreasure   when i ran my game with previous binary, game tried to crash, but didn't.  couldn't connect with client.
05:11 TommyTreasure   my 2nd game, with old style map (my guess on this) and old binary ran fine
05:12 TommyTreasure   this is a headless box, with no client installed.  minetestserver only
05:12 TommyTreasure   unfortunately, i backed up everthing, except for my world directory
05:13 TommyTreasure   dumb mistake on my part
05:13 TommyTreasure   client is jan 28, 17 .15-dev
05:14 TommyTreasure   2 totally separate and isolated machines
05:30 nore            okay
05:30 nore            interesting
05:30 nore            will try to look at it
05:34 benrob0329      Mesecons Inc, now open for business on the corner of Lake and East on VE Survival! We'll build your contraptions, auto smelters and more! Just drop us a letter in the box and we'll see to you as soon as we can!
05:38 TommyTreasure   i must say thanks to OldCoder's assistance in troubleshooting, and sending me the source.  no map changes needed to be made.  game works once again.  many thanks to OldCoder.
05:39 TommyTreasure   OldCoder took the time to download my map, mod directory and minetest_game directory for testing.  must say he went _way_ out of his way to be helpful.
07:23 red-002         I think I remeber someone else reporting that issue
07:23 red-002         the technic one
07:24 red-002         they though it was my commit but apprently they found the real cause of it after bisecting
12:47 Jordach         VanessaE, hold my beer
12:48 VanessaE        ?
12:48 Jordach         >The bed needs to have a "lump" in it when you're there
12:48 VanessaE        oh.
12:48 Jordach         you know exactly what happens when you challenge me to that shit :^)
12:49 VanessaE        didn't seem like much of a challenge.  minetest.swap_node() just before the "get into bed" animation
12:49 Jordach         what about afterwards?
12:49 * VanessaE      shrugs..
12:52 Jordach         eh, that solves the problem immediately without many issues
12:53 Jordach         VanessaE, the eyes can also be non-standard shapes within wardrobe
12:54 Jordach         i have a way of doing this - but it's a bit... uh
13:45 benrob0329      Hello
13:51 Fixer           hi
13:54 nrzkt           preparing work for daily builds :D
13:54 nrzkt           (debian/ubuntu/fedora)
13:54 nrzkt           https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/minetest/pipelines/7268388
13:54 nrzkt           (in my own namespace atm)
13:55 nrzkt           oh it's private
13:55 nrzkt           why...
13:57 nrzkt           it's fixed, nice
13:57 nrzkt           it's the startup for debian/ubuntu/fedora but when it will be properly working we can think about Android, Centos, Windows and more :p
14:04 Fixer           niiiice
14:08 nrzkt           Fixer: it's not finished yet, it's a rampup, but idea is to use gitlab CI pipelines with docker containers to generate prebuild packages for distros everyday after minetest repository sync from github to gitlab
14:09 Fixer           daily windows builds can be crosscompiled with sfans buildbot.sh (it is main method today anyway)
14:10 nrzkt           Fixer: yes, i think i will look at this at the end
14:10 Jordach         nrzkt, now go fix the hud api scaling bugs
14:11 nrzkt           Jordach:
14:11 nrzkt           no
14:12 Jordach         nrzkt, it's a feature that is broken on every other system except windows
14:12 nrzkt           Jordach: i know but i'm not very client UI aware
14:12 Jordach         nrzkt, pop an issue for it
14:12 nrzkt           Jordach: you are the reporter, open it i'm not your slave :)
14:12 Jordach         that shouldn't be definitely happening
14:12 Jordach         at all
16:06 kaeza           greetings
16:07 Wayward_One     hello :)
16:08 Jordach         meep meep
16:09 XtremeHacker    Roadrunner
16:09 XtremeHacker    I'm working on rigging a blender thing
16:10 XtremeHacker    Gonna have to do weight panting, as auto-weighting is messing up for some reason
16:17 Jordach         ...use empty groups
16:17 Jordach         it always works out right
16:17 Jordach         (and don't forget to git gud)
16:24 sfan5           Fixer: please test https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/tree/snek3
16:24 kaeza           kek3
16:25 Jordach         DEPORT SNEK
16:25 Krock           o/
16:25 Jordach         o/
16:25 kaeza           o/
16:25 Fixer           sfan5: ok, will do a bit later, need to finally move up from the chair with the cat, my butt hurts
16:30 Krock           *patches*
16:39 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/MOUHPrh.png
16:40 Jordach         hold my beer indeed
16:42 Fixer           "With built-in video recorder"
16:45 sfan5           yes but it sucks
16:50 Krock           Jordach, where's the mouth?!
16:50 Krock           sfan5, nice. it fixes the weird sinking
16:51 sfan5           does it?
16:51 Krock           well, partwise
16:51 Krock           it's possible to jump even when sinking
16:51 Krock           before this was blocked
16:52 Krock           apparently does not work all the time. got to test deeper
16:52 Jordach         Krock, missing mouth textuers atm
16:52 Jordach         Krock, tl;dr http://i.imgur.com/FZRL9A0.png
16:58 Krock           the strange teleporting away from the border increases with this commit a lot :/
16:59 Krock           standing too far out on a node and hitting shift results in an instant teleportation
17:01 sfan5           that's literally the same as previously
17:02 Krock           only on regular nodes, sadly
17:03 kaeza           Krock, while you're there, can you confirm that sneaking while submerged in liquids repeatedly plays the footstep sound?
17:03 Krock           current: http://i.imgur.com/evti6pC.png  patched: http://i.imgur.com/vv18Uz5.png
17:04 Krock           *turns on sound and checks*
17:04 sfan5           oh
17:04 sfan5           Krock: you can't sneak on the lower part of the stair
17:05 Krock           yeah, but IIRC this was possible before. But that caused bugs now, right?
17:05 sfan5           previously it would not snap you to the top, it now does
17:05 sfan5           depends on when "before" is
17:05 Krock           "before" = old sneaky code
17:06 sfan5           before every node acted like a full cube when sneaking
17:07 sfan5           with the exception of nodes that are "uniformly" smaller, e.g. slabs
17:07 Krock           kaeza, when reaching the bottom? see ladders, same effect
17:07 kaeza           Krock, ah I see
17:08 Krock           kaeza, I even opened an issue for that a while ago: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1460
17:10 kaeza           Krock, ah, did not that notice until recently. I always just jump off ladders :P
17:10 Krock           lol
17:10 kaeza           assumed that was introduced by the sneaking changes somehow
17:10 Krock           it's always the new sneak code's fault
17:10 Krock           :P
17:11 kaeza           yeah, thanks sfan. your sneaking fixes made wallmounted nodes appear backwards
17:12 Krock           definitely the root cause ^
17:13 kaeza           but seriously now, really like the new sneaking stuff
17:13 Krock           hmm.. sneaking and jumping on half-slabs is still quite interesting. sometimes you fall directly or you're sinking onto it
17:16 Krock           compared with the previous code it now also disallows from jumping off a node while holding sneak
17:17 Krock           (not sure if wanted or not)
17:18 sfan5           unintended side effect
17:35 benrob0329      it'd be interesting to see someone make a fps in minetest
17:36 benrob0329      (We could use wield item aninations though)
17:59 ircSparky       whoa now, when did we get shift-click quick move?!!?!?
17:59 ircSparky       I just noticed it
17:59 Fixer           since ages?
17:59 ircSparky       man
17:59 Fixer           it is still not enough for me
17:59 Fixer           too much strain on middle mouse button
18:01 ircSparky       daaamn
18:01 ircSparky       shift-middle click too?!
18:01 ircSparky       I've been being hard on myself
18:02 ircSparky       at least i knew that middle click crafted 10
18:02 Fixer           bug near monitor detected
18:03 Fixer           sfan5: fixed that issue
18:04 Krock           no, shift click is rather new, added in 0.4.12-dev
18:05 Krock           some older mods do not contain this new formspec element, thus it's not possible to move the stacks everywhere
18:05 Krock           eeks. the new changelog isn't done yet
18:08 Fixer           https://imgur.com/gallery/ulQoe5J lol
18:11 Fixer           lets evade damage
18:12 Fixer           season 2017 episode 0.4.15-dev
18:13 Krock           Fixer, top comment is somewhat true
18:13 red-002         so all that stuff about fixing sneak was completely pointless?
18:13 Krock           re-adding old behaviour with new code. it's not pointless!
18:14 Fixer           sfan5: i wonder why it is not possible to make a speed limit beyound which sneak just won't work
18:14 sfan5           that's possible
18:14 sfan5           just nobody has added that
18:16 Fixer           btw i'm testing it along double jump PR, hope no problems with that
18:17 Fixer           it is kinda wrong to test two PRs at once
18:18 sfan5           that might break some stuff
18:18 sfan5           or maybe not
18:19 Fixer           sfan5: have not, so far, will look
18:20 Fixer           will paraphrase about damage evasion... why not simply set a speed limit that completely disables anything related to sneak/corners/whatevercrap - so you just fucked no matter in what pose you fly
18:21 Fixer           no matter what you press
18:21 Fixer           nores PR bunny jumping: https://imgur.com/a/mi3HK
18:22 Fixer           "mobility" perverts will like it
18:22 Fixer           add legs animation and it will look ridiculous
18:26 Fixer           sfan5: in singleplayer on mountain terrain I don't see anything suspicious about it yet, will try to walk more on actual server in buildings
18:28 Fixer           sfan5: when you sneak and approach stair - it instabumps to top of stair
18:29 red-002         great we replaced bugs with other bugs
18:29 Fixer           i will test without nores pr
18:32 Fixer           with this doublejump PR i can literally hit my head in jump, ceiling at block 5
18:33 Fixer           if slab below
18:33 Fixer           feels funny
18:33 Fixer           it adds more ridiculousness to this sneak/doublejump debucle
18:34 Fixer           bunny simulator 2018
18:35 Fixer           wth is this.....
18:36 Fixer           found another spot - different - more ridiculousness
18:36 Fixer           will wait before SNEK3 only compile
18:37 Fixer           ok
18:37 Fixer           figured it out
18:37 Fixer           that was sneak effect, have not seen that seen slab1
18:38 Fixer           sokomine detected
18:41 Fixer           snek3 only test
18:41 benrob0329      Is it possible to start minetest from tge command line (skipping the main menu and just booting into a world?)
18:42 nore            Fixer: yeah, my pr is broken
18:42 nore            benrob0329: I think minetest --world something?
18:42 nore            or something like that
18:43 Fixer           nore: well, with slabs/stairs/nodebox - could be, do you want to bunny jump on flat ground?
18:43 Fixer           so much problems because of this bullshit
18:43 Amaz            benrob0329: Try minetest --worldname worldname --go
18:44 * benrob0329    is thinking about a minetest launcher
18:44 nore            Fixer: hm nope, this is my pr which is a quick hack and thus completely broken :)
18:44 Fixer           benrob0329: there is already one - main menu
18:45 Fixer           nore: i have awkward feel about all of this, not just this pr
18:45 benrob0329      Yes, butbit doesn't work well for eg on touchscreens
18:45 Fixer           it is like removing glands via anal
18:45 Fixer           weird feel
18:45 Shara           Hi
18:45 Fixer           hi
18:45 benrob0329      Tmi
18:47 Krock           Fun fact: new sneak now allows climbing this structure: http://i.imgur.com/o3E49Ay.png
18:48 Krock           (1 node spacing)
18:48 Shara           Hi paramat
18:48 Krock           o/ paramat
18:49 paramat         (hi) Krock that's a simple sneak ladder, being able to climb that is good news
18:50 Krock           however, the old sneak ladder with full nodes (and 1 spacing aswell) doesn't work anymore
18:50 paramat         ok :]
18:51 paramat         you mean the old simple ladder, yes
18:52 Fixer           "can you confirm that sneaking while submerged in liquids repeatedly plays the footstep sound?" can confirm this but wonder if it is also in default
18:53 Fixer           Krock: even more weirder
18:53 Fixer           it is not just water
18:53 Krock           Fixer, yes, see later posted issue link
18:53 Fixer           if you shift while on bottom of ladder - same problem
18:54 Fixer           this is so much claster----
18:56 Fixer           happens on aa5549e
18:57 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/slaQ5wx.jpg this is suggestive
18:57 Krock           and for some reason my jungle trees are dying like if they were in the vietnam var
18:58 paramat         don't worry about rapid footsteps, happens in many situations
18:59 Fixer           paramat: the problem is it started to happen in water too, since some time
18:59 paramat         well don't blame new sneak for it
19:00 paramat         if you see the 'new sneak bugs' issue you can see old sneak had many bugs too, i tested
19:00 Fixer           not new, i'm looking right now when it break
19:01 Fixer           nevermind
19:02 Fixer           072bbba also has this sound, one more try and will leave this subject
19:04 sfan5            sfan5: when you sneak and approach stair - it instabumps to top of stair
19:04 sfan5           feature
19:04 sfan5           used to counteract the lower-stair part sneak bug reported by Shara
19:04 Fixer           holy crap
19:05 Fixer           this is surreal
19:05 Shara           A teleport bug to fix a getting stuck bug?
19:05 Fixer           yo dawg
19:06 octacian        How does the mapgen_limit setting work? If set to 31000 would that mean that the map would be generated 31000 blocks each direction from spawn?
19:06 octacian        (spawn = 0,0,0)
19:22 paramat         octacian yes
19:22 octacian        paramat: good, thanks.
19:23 paramat         that's also default behaviour and what happened before we had the limit
19:23 paramat         31000
19:23 paramat         31000 was the old fixed limit
19:30 Fixer           suddenly this https://i.imgur.com/sFV81wh.png
19:31 Shara           Clearly a new feature.
19:31 Fixer           it is enlarged chicken renamed into turkey with turkey sound
19:31 Shara           I actually sort of like it.
19:31 Shara           I did it with bats after all.
19:32 Fixer           it is huge turkey
19:32 Shara           And... now I'm hungry again.
19:32 Amaz            It looks a bit like some strange dinosaur
19:32 Shara           What is it with this channel and making me feel hungry?
19:32 Amaz            Oooo, a chicken that size would be good
19:32 Amaz            *drools*
19:32 Shara           Not helping >.>
19:33 Amaz            Sorry :P
19:33 Shara           Now I'm thinking about ancient unfinished cookie mod!
19:33 Amaz            Although this has made me hungry - and I've just eaten...
19:33 RobbieF         TPS-Crappy has kittens that are generally larger than elephants. Just sayin'.
19:33 thefamilygrog66 That thing is huge!
19:33 Shara           RobbieF :D
19:34 Calinou         hi RobbieF
19:34 Amaz            Talking about elephants, does anyone have a half-decent elephant model? I mean adding Oliphants to LOTT would be cool :)
19:34 RobbieF         hey Calinou!
19:35 RobbieF         Amaz I like the mobs-redo model quite well!
19:35 Amaz            Oooo, there's one in mobs redo? :D
19:36 Amaz            I didn't realise that :D
19:36 Shara           I thought it was in dmobs
19:36 RobbieF         oh maybe tenplus1 adapted it for me
19:36 RobbieF         I have it in redo
19:36 RobbieF         but there IS one on TPS-Domes, that's the point  LOL
19:36 Shara           Yea, but redo itself doesn't have mobs
19:36 Shara           That's just... the thing that handles them
19:36 RobbieF         sorry, you know what  I mean  :D
19:36 Shara           :D
19:36 RobbieF         yes, the api
19:37 Shara           Amaz: Check dmobs
19:37 RobbieF         don't get all semantic on me  :)
19:37 Amaz            Shara, okay :D
19:37 Shara           My version of dmobs has ridable elephants, not sure if the originals are ridable
19:37 * Amaz          passes out
19:37 Amaz            The awesomeness
19:37 * Amaz          needs this
19:37 Amaz            :P
19:38 Fixer           Well, chicken is kinda dinosaur, just smaller
19:38 Shara           Heh, I keep saying I'll make my version public sometime.
19:38 Fixer           Zeno knows for sure
19:38 benrob0329      Hi RobbieF
19:38 Shara           But realised I need to figure out license stuff and things to show in a presentable way and got a headache and... gqave up. :)
19:39 Amaz            License stuff can be annoying at times
19:39 Shara           Since I think I combined things from three different places into my version of the mod now.
19:39 Shara           My version has bats and bugs from other mods.
19:41 RobbieF         Amaz I have the elephant attack me on TPS Episode 21 if you want to see it
19:41 Amaz            Link? :D
19:42 RobbieF         http://minetest.tv
19:42 Amaz            ty :)
19:42 RobbieF         :D
19:42 RobbieF         might have to skim to find that bit... probably ~ 1/2 way+ mark
19:42 Amaz            Okay, thanks!
20:04 Amaz            RobbieF: Just saw your murder by that elephant xD
20:05 RobbieF         :D
20:05 RobbieF         good model eh?
20:05 RobbieF         and you're right; it was a MURDER
20:05 RobbieF         lol
20:05 Amaz            Yup :P
20:05 RobbieF         vicious creatures
20:05 RobbieF         and I'm all "I hope they're friendly"
20:06 Amaz            Yup
20:06 RobbieF         Note: they are not.
20:06 Amaz            And that sigh after it killed you :P
20:06 RobbieF         LOL
20:06 Amaz            And was that a troll that spawned right next to it when you went back there? :P
20:06 Amaz            Ah, yes, it was :P
20:07 Amaz            Your lucky day :p
20:08 RobbieF         likely!
20:08 RobbieF         lol
20:18 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/I2WmmXW.png
20:19 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/FucbAus.png
20:20 kaeza           >FucbAus
20:20 kaeza           so close
20:20 kaeza           also what is that? O.o
20:21 Jordach         why are thoes clouds different
20:21 Jordach         like they've got a texture
20:21 Jordach         waita  minute
20:21 Jordach         that's MC
20:22 sofar           you sound disappointed
20:22 Jordach         when did we get that
20:23 Fixer           mc beta 1.7.3 with Etho world (one from 2011)
20:23 Fixer           did some archeology
20:24 Fixer           that was candy texture pack
20:24 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/auWaBs6.jpg
20:25 Fixer           dokucraft
20:25 thefamilygrog66 My lame, yet successful, attempt to create/export a red sphere in blender, and use it for a mob: https://vid.me/VY3H
20:26 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/36yupTC.jpg this one was converted for minetest by someone
20:26 Fixer           faithful 32px
20:31 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/aW62kLw.png johnsmith
20:32 Fixer           dat crosshair
20:34 benrob0329      (Offtopic) https://levans.fr/blog//rust_wayland_1-en.html
20:40 Fixer           wayland development feels as fast as minetest one
20:40 Fixer           10 years passed
20:40 Fixer           still waiting
20:51 * Sokomine      hides from Fixer
20:51 Sokomine        ah :-) code archeology sounds intresting
21:02 Jordach         wooo
21:02 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/ncBxra4.png
21:02 Jordach         dynamically supporting ones with extra facial textuers
21:02 Jordach         or features like eyeliner
21:06 Fixer           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17111 KEK
21:06 Fixer           and i thought like 12 hours ago... about compressed cobble
21:11 Calinou         I think More Blocks has compressed cobble too
21:11 Calinou         (only 1 tier)
21:11 Jordach         Calinou, just call it ExtraUtils and call it a day ;)
21:12 Calinou         libExtraUtilToolsFrameworkHelperMod
21:12 Fixer           lib.Extra.Util.Tools.Framework.Helper.Mod
21:12 Fixer           License: ISC
21:12 Fixer           wth
21:13 Calinou         where did you see that? :P
21:13 Fixer           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17079
21:14 Calinou         what's wrong with ISC license?
21:14 Fixer           Calinou: never heared of it
21:26 benrob0329      Its OpenBSD's goto license
21:28 Calinou         npm also defaults to it in "npm init"
22:12 red-002         Fixer, at least we are not reactos
22:12 red-002         to be fair through they have to recreate a whole OS
22:12 benrob0329      Buy they're doing it!
22:13 benrob0329      So props to them
22:13 red-002         but thier forums aren't much better https://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16283
22:14 Jordach         >(1) You're two decades late with your objections. (2) I don't think the objections matter.
22:14 Jordach         roasted and toasted
22:15 * benrob0329    might stick reactos on a vm
22:16 benrob0329      maybe I can get some windows games to run decently without wine
22:16 Jordach         it's called a VM with windows and GPU passthrough
22:16 benrob0329      And I don't mean being so drunk it doesn't natter anymore
22:17 red-002         lol
22:17 Jordach         are you alright, benrob0329
22:17 benrob0329      yes
22:17 benrob0329      I think
22:17 benrob0329      Maybe
22:17 benrob0329      Probably not
22:18 Fixer           PART FISH @ PART GIRL
22:19 benrob0329      I'm doing better than he is apparently
22:19 red-002         seems so indeed
22:19 * benrob0329    is now away
22:20 nerzhul         benrob0329, i play skyrim on wine in ultra mode works fine :)
22:20 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/cCDXkHa.png
22:21 rubenwardy      Skyrim works in Wine????????
22:21 rubenwardy      why have I not been told this?
22:21 nerzhul         rubenwardy, yes, it works perfect on mine, sometimes fps drop when too many casters but works well
22:21 nerzhul         i have arch with wine-csmt
22:22 nerzhul         wine-staging
22:22 nerzhul         which has the csmt patchset to improve performance
22:23 Jordach         nerzhul, hard mode: fallout 4
22:24 nerzhul         Jordach, i don't have it :p
22:26 VanessaE        sofar: here's another candidate for minetest-mods, https://github.com/cyisfor/inventory_sorter  (no commits in over three years, and I've seen a complaint of corrupted textures therein)
22:26 Fixer           from me
22:26 Fixer           not corrupted - just usage of symlinks on windows
22:26 Fixer           which is not working here
22:26 VanessaE        Fixer: "timsoft" on the forum, also.
22:27 sofar           I can't skyrim on wine, tried many times
22:27 nerzhul         sofar, i have a AMD 7970
22:27 sofar           that sucks
22:27 sofar           I'm sorry to hear that
22:27 nerzhul         it's not a recent card but very decent :p and doesn't benefit from current AMD work as it's a GCN 1.1
22:27 sofar           unfortunately, even though I work for Intel, I can't give out free CPUs
22:28 nerzhul         i talked about my GPU not CPU
22:28 sofar           I was just kidding
22:28 nerzhul         my CPU is a FX 8350 it consume some electricity, but in france we have nuclear power :p
22:28 Amaz            So you do hand out free CPUs, sofar? :D
22:28 Amaz            ;)
22:28 sofar           it may not produce CO2, but it's not renewable
22:29 sofar           Amaz: no, but I myself have gotten freebies before :)
22:29 Amaz            Nice :)
22:29 sofar           although it's been a while
22:29 sofar           I'll need to replace them soon, 5yrs old already now
22:30 sofar           6-core 12-thread cpu's are hard to let go :)
22:30 * Amaz          is jealous
22:30 Jordach         sofar, R Y Z E N
22:30 rubenwardy      !seen tenplus1
22:30 ShadowBot       rubenwardy: I saw tenplus1 in #minetest-project 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 55 minutes, and 19 seconds ago saying "all of a sudden staticdata is returned as nil when i go back into an area filled with tamed mobs..."
22:30 * sofar         is triggered
22:30 Jordach         LMAO
22:30 nerzhul         Intel != Free CPU, they add bloat in linux kernel :p
22:31 sofar           they're not free to you
22:31 nerzhul         :p
22:31 sofar           you better pay part of my salary when you buy one
22:31 nerzhul         FX 8350 = 8 CPU it's very nice 4Ghz also
22:31 Jordach         sofar, eh, i have an i5 4690
22:31 Fixer           i3
22:31 sofar           Jordach: that's a nice one, will last you a few more years
22:32 Jordach         sofar, my bios lets me OC it
22:32 Jordach         it corrupts UEFI gfx
22:32 sofar           I'm still on a HSW desktop myself at work
22:32 Jordach         but windows boots just fine
22:32 Jordach         it can go ~4.4Ghz
22:32 Fixer           Jordach: iirc there were motherboards that allowed overclock of intel cpus
22:32 Jordach         Fixer, Z97-K ASUSTek
22:34 sofar           many boards
22:34 Fixer           can overclock any, not just K versions
22:34 Fixer           i don't have details
22:34 Fixer           but it is possible
22:35 Jordach         the Hyper Evo 212 cooler with twin 120mm fans do a decent job of cooling it
22:35 sofar           tbh I never overclock
22:35 Jordach         ^
22:36 Jordach         product lifetime vs early death and performace
22:36 sofar           getting a good power supply and a nice fan is a much better deal
22:36 sofar           I need my system to be reliable above all
22:36 sofar           2 days downtime and I'm in fetus position in a corner reciting biblical verses
22:37 Jordach         my m8s OC'd i7 4790k has a waterloop with an air bubble
22:38 Jordach         it gets spicy
22:38 sofar           model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 CPU @ 3.60GHz
22:38 sofar           preprod CPU without any locks
22:38 Jordach         Intel ME leaks wen
22:38 Jordach         Kappa
22:39 sofar           could care less, this box is in the office anyway
22:41 Fixer           holy crap
22:41 Fixer           shit breaked
22:41 Fixer           was afking, when suddenly something approaching very fast... turns out that huge turkey...
22:42 sofar           the country or animal?
22:42 Jordach         dem roaches
22:43 Fixer           animal in Just Test 2
22:43 Fixer           footsteps were alarmingly fast and I had to open minetest window
22:44 Fixer           huge ch..turkey was moving fast in my direction
22:44 Fixer           i step away
22:44 Fixer           to the side
22:44 Fixer           luckily it just walked near me and made few sounds
22:45 Sokomine        ah, those chicken? they're...huge
22:46 Fixer           JT2 is simply insanely huge
22:46 Sokomine        players on that server are more dangerous. there are many friendly ones, but it is also a server where pvp is allowed. i personally don't like that
22:46 Fixer           larger than player
22:46 Fixer           http://www.ancientdomainsofmystery.com/2017/03/the-adom-build-system.html
22:47 Sokomine        yes, they're pretty big, those chicken. a big mystery where they came from, what they do (except running around very fast), what they're up to...probably a conspiracy :-)
22:47 Sokomine        they can indeed be scary
22:48 * VanessaE      pokes Sokomine
22:48 * Sokomine      hides behind such a huge chicken :-)
22:49 Sokomine        VanessaE: yes, i know. i need to take care of your pull request. need to think about how to do it best...
22:49 Fixer           Sokomine: maikerumine enabled them for a holiday and forgot to disable iirc
22:49 Sokomine        currently i'm trying to include a way to manually build/repair a house that was placed using handle_schematics
22:50 VanessaE        Sokomine: I made a pull request?  I was just poking you :)
22:50 Sokomine        fixer: oh. hope he keeps them on. they where (apart from the buildings and some very friendly players) something i actually liked there
22:50 Sokomine        VanessaE: maybe you thought that was necessary after having to wait so long :) can't hurt to poke now and then :)
22:51 VanessaE        nope, I figured you'll get to it whenever :)
23:02 Fixer           https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/03/23/making-dungeon-crawl-stone-soup-with-253-cooks-and-no-head-chef/
23:02 Fixer           found some parallels with minetest
23:05 Jordach         >they post a design document on the development wiki, detailing the changes that they want to make.
23:05 Jordach         WHY DON'T WE HAVE THIS
23:05 rubenwardy      Jordach, http://dev.minetest.net/TODO
23:08 red-002         how many forks of minetest are there right now?
23:09 Fixer           just read the article
23:09 rubenwardy      just freeminer, basically
23:09 Fixer           it has some insight on project development
23:09 rubenwardy      minebest is coming soon[tm]
23:09 red-002         what about voxellands?
23:09 rubenwardy      oh yeah
23:09 Fixer           rubenwardy: and mobile one... forgot the name
23:09 rubenwardy      but that's 0.3.1
23:09 red-002         rubenwardy, he released zip
23:09 red-002         no git repo right now
23:10 red-002         it seems to be mostly a client thing
23:11 paramat         freeminer and voxelands dev are both very quiet recently
23:12 red-002         I hope minebest doesn't go gpl like freeminer
23:13 Fixer           multicraft is big one
23:13 Fixer           for crippled devices
23:14 Shara           multicraft lately seems like thing intended to make players sulk at me
23:15 Fixer           why?
23:15 red-002         I guess in a werid way the fork became bigger then the orignal
23:15 Shara           Users report problems opening inventory
23:15 red-002         but still bases it's code of mt
23:16 Fixer           hah
23:18 Fixer           it seems minetest itself is just 25% of userbase?
23:19 Fixer           multicraft is 62%
23:19 Fixer           mobile users = 90$
23:19 Fixer           %
23:19 Fixer           https://kitsunemimi.pw/tmp/serverlist_stats_2017-03-17.txt
23:25 paramat         nuts
23:27 paramat         unfortunately they can access our servers :]
23:28 rubenwardy      well, it's better to compare quality of players
23:29 Shara           I mostly don't mind where players are coming from, though did get annoyed by whichever client it was that made them pay to use privs I had granted them...
23:29 Fixer           then you need to ban whole android more or less
23:30 paramat         yes. can servers actually refuse entry to multicraft etc clients?
23:30 paramat         i mean yes judge on quality
23:31 Shara           I never managed to find out which client it was... but at one time many younger players were telling me they could not fly on my creative because it told them to pay for an upgrade for that priv.
23:31 Shara           So I was paying to run server, and my players were paying someone else to use privs I granted them....
23:32 paramat         i would support servers being able to ban any undesirable client type, if they want to
23:33 Shara           Would be nice.
23:34 Shara           Though that's the only one so far I'd have used it on.
23:35 Shara           News formspec on creative server has a permanant request to use official clients.
23:35 Grandolf        hm
23:37 Grandolf         i would support servers being able to ban any undesirable client type, if they want toselling game access with nyan cat
23:45 Jordach         >EASY DMCA
23:45 Jordach         YOU FUCKING MORONS
23:45 Jordach         a perfect trump card
23:45 Shara           I knew where you were going soona s you said that :D
23:45 Shara           I'm still so tempted to make red cat replacement...
23:46 Shara           MT not having a cat in it...
23:46 Shara           Jordach: Meow :(
23:46 rubenwardy      you need to be the owner to send a DMCA, btw
23:46 thefamilygrog66 My server has nyan cat mobs
23:46 Jordach         rubenwardy, anyone can file it
23:46 Jordach         even on behalf
23:46 Shara           thefamilygrog66: Yea, you can just keep the old mod, but it's not in MTG anymore. So be careful when you update
23:56 Fixer           " Fixed an apparently 1 in 10000000ish chance for a call to random(1,10) to return an 11 that must have been there for years"
23:56 Fixer           kek