Time Nick Message 00:09 khonkhortisan Running minetest.register_node twice only works with ':test:foo', not 'test:foo' or '::test:foo'. So to reload a mod while the server is running, I'm going to copy init.lua. 00:37 NekoGloop Goooooooooood evenin 00:37 khonkhortisan hello 00:41 NekoGloop sup? 00:45 khonkhortisan mod loader 00:45 NekoGloop Eh? 00:46 khonkhortisan For when you're developing a mod and you don't want to restart the server all the time 00:46 khonkhortisan Right now it only works on the simplest of mods. 00:46 NekoGloop Oh... Nice. 01:06 VanessaE hi all 01:11 OldCoder VanessaE, hi 01:11 OldCoder see this page: 01:11 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html 01:11 OldCoder 01:11 OldCoder VanessaE, there are two new Windows Client ZIP files 01:11 * VanessaE reads... 01:11 OldCoder 30MB with preloaded media 01:11 OldCoder 10MB without 01:12 OldCoder Your patch is included 01:12 OldCoder So is a minetest_game with most mods 01:12 VanessaE cool 01:12 OldCoder 30MB one should load worlds quickly 01:12 OldCoder A few people have tried and say both of them work 01:12 OldCoder I have also recompiled the servers with lower optimizations 01:12 OldCoder May crash less now 01:12 VanessaE If you want to link in my Ubuntu 12.04 AMD64 builds you're quite welcome to do so :-) 01:12 OldCoder Back in 60 to 90 minutes 01:12 OldCoder Yes 01:13 VanessaE (they're built with the default settings) 01:13 OldCoder Remind me about that next time we talk 01:13 OldCoder 01:13 * OldCoder is AFK 01:13 VanessaE ok 01:20 * VanessaE pokes NekoGloop just to randomly highlight him ;-) 01:20 NekoGloop Meow? 01:20 VanessaE meow. 01:21 NekoGloop :3 01:21 NekoGloop tried setting "fov" in the minetest.conf? 01:22 VanessaE nope, haven't played with it 01:22 VanessaE been too busy packing 01:22 NekoGloop also, did you see my homedecor post? 01:22 VanessaE not yet 01:22 NekoGloop feels weird to walk through tabletops. 01:23 VanessaE yeah I know about that bug, I'll fix it RSN. :-) 01:23 NekoGloop I've set my fov to 360 for the heck of it 01:23 VanessaE oh my 01:24 VanessaE screenshot? :-) 01:24 NekoGloop as soon as it loads, sure 01:25 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZnkzaA I'm only a single nodespace from that hole 01:26 VanessaE whoa 01:26 VanessaE um 01:26 NekoGloop and those chests are only 7 away 01:26 VanessaE well now we know the game uses rectilinear projection ;-) 01:26 NekoGloop haha 01:26 NekoGloop i feel like a giant when i look down 01:27 VanessaE haha 01:27 NekoGloop and i can see through things if i have my back to them 01:27 VanessaE it must look 10x as weird when you're actually walking around 01:27 NekoGloop well I kinda trapped myself in my own house 8) 01:28 NekoGloop #minecraft is having a reddit war 01:29 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZnkzag Oh no! i'll never make it back! 01:29 VanessaE gevalt! 01:29 NekoGloop i feel like I'm running all over the fucking place 01:30 NekoGloop lets ramp this up a bit, shall we? 01:30 VanessaE dare I ask? 01:30 NekoGloop to, say, 2000? 01:30 VanessaE um, 01:30 NekoGloop If this works, you'll get more screenies? 01:30 NekoGloop s/?/! 01:30 VanessaE \o/ 01:31 NekoGloop I may or may not vomit when i turn around xD 01:31 VanessaE lol 01:32 VanessaE " also make everything not sound like grass, k? :D " 01:32 VanessaE sure, feel like showing me how sounds actually *work*? :-| 01:32 VanessaE :-) 01:32 NekoGloop lol 01:32 NekoGloop just use other defaults 01:32 NekoGloop like stone 01:32 NekoGloop (where applicable) 01:32 VanessaE eventually I'll fix it 01:32 NekoGloop or wood 01:32 VanessaE too lazy right now :D 01:33 VanessaE besides, been too busy lately with the move 01:33 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZnkzbA My. God. Give me a trash can, i might need it. 01:33 VanessaE and yes, per Oldcoder's request, I'll build a copy of the new house in minetest ;) 01:34 NekoGloop I'm actually standing on the node I'm pointing at 01:34 VanessaE wow 01:34 NekoGloop flowers the size of mammoths! 01:34 VanessaE is that set for 2000? :-) 01:34 NekoGloop yes 01:34 VanessaE jeesh 01:35 NekoGloop seems to not be TOO different from 360, maybe the limit is not much higher than 360 or IS 360 01:36 VanessaE well there's no such thing as more than 360 degrees worth of view, so... 01:36 VanessaE :-0) 01:36 VanessaE :-) 01:37 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZnkzbg I happen to be about 40-50 nodespaces from the mountain at the bottom, which is only 12 nodes tall 01:37 NekoGloop also, we seem to have regrown redwoods! \o/ 01:37 VanessaE lol 01:37 VanessaE that just looks so weird 01:38 NekoGloop 36000000000000000000 is my next attempt 8D 01:38 NekoGloop (just copied from my config) 01:38 NekoGloop and before you ask, yes, i am bloody insane 01:38 VanessaE I coulda told you that ;) 01:39 NekoGloop I'm almost scared to view the minetest window now 01:39 VanessaE you'll probably crash the game ;) 01:39 NekoGloop eh, it does have a limit. 01:39 NekoGloop damn. 01:39 NekoGloop 36000000000000000000 == 2000 == 360 01:40 VanessaE heh 01:40 NekoGloop bummer 01:40 NekoGloop let's try something subtle now 01:42 NekoGloop with 20... i feel... short... 01:42 NekoGloop try it out yourself, screenies dont really describe it 01:42 VanessaE pass :-) 01:42 VanessaE I just ate dinner, I'd rather keep it down :D 01:43 NekoGloop its not sickening... just different 01:44 VanessaE all right, I'll bite. 01:44 VanessaE weird 01:44 VanessaE at 20, everything feels..."zoomed in" 01:44 NekoGloop i feel short 01:45 VanessaE and the sun is HUGE 01:45 NekoGloop may just be because i was doing the other higher ones 01:45 NekoGloop oh, the sun, it be nighttime here 01:45 * VanessaE tries 180 01:45 NekoGloop cant seem to see the moon 01:45 VanessaE weird, at 180 I'm upside down :-) 01:46 NekoGloop huh? 01:46 VanessaE seriously, it turned me upside down at that setting 01:46 VanessaE clouds on bottom, the land at the top 01:46 NekoGloop perhaps, these are numbers in spiraling outward degrees? 01:47 NekoGloop or just entirely random effects 8) 01:47 VanessaE dunno 01:47 LAD any 1 wana see a cool vidio?? 01:47 NekoGloop someone ask celeron 8) 01:47 NekoGloop my minetest is treating 180 == 360 for some reason... 01:48 VanessaE anything 180+ for me is upside down 01:48 NekoGloop huh 01:48 NekoGloop perhaps my opengl can somehow correct it? 01:48 VanessaE beats me 01:48 VanessaE irrlicht bug no doubt :-) 01:48 LAD oh 01:49 LAD VE 01:49 LAD coder told me to ask u this 01:49 LAD what do the function on OldCoder's client do??? 01:49 VanessaE the video filtering? 01:49 VanessaE if you don't understand what they're for, they're not for you :-) 01:49 LAD lol 01:50 LAD he told me to ask u shen i see u 01:50 LAD when* 01:50 VanessaE those are for somewhat advanced users that know what to look for in video card settings 01:50 LAD yea 01:50 LAD uhh 01:50 LAD my computer dous not actuly have a vidio crad 01:50 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZnkzcw my. god. 01:50 VanessaE all computers do. 01:50 NekoGloop LAD: O.o 01:50 VanessaE even if they're build in 01:50 LAD lol 01:50 LAD hmm 01:50 LAD its a realy bad 1 01:51 LAD cant even run minecraft 01:51 LAD bairly minetest 01:51 VanessaE LAD: those settings are primarily for people with really good video cards who like to run high-resolution textures 01:51 LAD its 8 years old my computer 01:51 VanessaE (so NekoGloop can't use them either ;) ) 01:51 LAD yea ill just keep them off 01:51 NekoGloop i can use them 01:52 NekoGloop just only on default textures 01:52 LAD well i can also 01:52 NekoGloop 8) 01:52 VanessaE they help improve the video rendering to get rid of distance noise and artifacts. 01:52 LAD but it leggs to beonde movement 01:52 LAD lol 01:52 VanessaE I run with aniso and mipmap turned on, bi/tri linear off 01:52 LAD hmmm ok ok 01:52 VanessaE leggs? 01:52 VanessaE beonde? 01:52 LAD ima just stick to all thous vidio settings off 01:52 VanessaE get a spellchecked :-) 01:52 LAD lol 01:53 LAD sorry 01:53 VanessaE spellchecker too 01:53 NekoGloop methinks he's lagging right now 01:53 LAD no not right now 01:53 LAD just when i tried the "advanced vidio" settings 01:53 NekoGloop video* 01:54 NekoGloop video* 01:54 NekoGloop video* 01:54 NekoGloop video* 01:54 VanessaE VIDEO damm it 01:54 NekoGloop video* 01:54 NekoGloop video* 01:54 NekoGloop video* 01:54 NekoGloop video* 01:54 VanessaE vee eye dee eee oh 01:54 LAD just shut the HULL up 01:54 LAD HELL* 01:54 NekoGloop HULL? 01:54 NekoGloop we in a spaceship now? 01:54 LAD VAFFENCULO 01:54 LAD TO SAY UN ASSINO 01:55 VanessaE LAD: you realise we're just fucking with you, right? ;-) 01:55 LAD IDC 01:55 VanessaE realize* 01:55 NekoGloop there is this button 01:55 NekoGloop it is called caps lock 01:55 NekoGloop legends say that pressing it can unlock the ability to type correctly 01:55 LAD well u know what 01:56 VanessaE LAD: relax, we're just playing :-) 01:56 * LAD sais to shut your dam ass mouth b4 i shuve it up somewere unnice 01:56 LAD idc is your just fucking with me it's not nice 01:57 VanessaE LAD: jeez, get a sense of humor already 01:57 NekoGloop there are 9 words in that sentence spelled correctly. 01:57 LAD u dont know y i type badly 01:57 LAD so i would shutup 01:57 VanessaE you were saying...? 01:57 NekoGloop AHAHAHA 01:57 NekoGloop HAHAHAHA 01:57 LAD saying what 01:58 NekoGloop (there, evil laugh complete) 01:58 NekoGloop (now pay me for that wonderful intro) 01:58 VanessaE LAD, there is no excuse whatsoever for poor typing unless you're just lazy, so if someone pokes fun at you for it, it's your own damn fault for creating the opportunity. 01:58 LAD dont evil laughs start with muwhaha 01:58 NekoGloop LAD: not neko-evil-laughs 01:59 LAD VE just stop 01:59 VanessaE evening Octupus 01:59 Octupus hi 02:00 VanessaE LAD: I have 20 years' worth of online chat that says you're simply in the wrong here. 02:00 LAD its not my fau1t i type bad 02:01 VanessaE yes it is. 02:01 VanessaE you can correct your mistakes. 02:01 VanessaE you choose not to so do. 02:01 VanessaE do so* 02:01 LAD no i dun't 02:01 LAD i try to 02:01 NekoGloop look at your keyboard 02:01 LAD i do 02:02 VanessaE get a good IRC client that has a built-in spellchecker (xchat for example) 02:02 NekoGloop are "1" and "l" even REMOTELY close to each other? 02:02 VanessaE believe it, it helps. 02:02 LAD just slop 02:02 * VanessaE slops on some more commentary ;) 02:02 * NekoGloop throws slop at LAD 02:02 NekoGloop if anyone asks, he told me too :D 02:03 NekoGloop to* 02:03 LAD its bacause l'n dyslexic ok there u happy 02:03 LAD now shut up 02:03 NekoGloop if you were, you would have problems reading what we are saying 02:03 VanessaE LAD: that's not a very good excuse, 02:04 LAD uggg 02:04 Octupus guys leave him alone 02:04 NekoGloop I speak very fluent caveman 02:05 VanessaE LAD: whether you have dyslexia or not, your typing sucks because you don't care to improve it. 02:05 LAD u have no idea what it like to be dyslkezlg 02:05 VanessaE There's this simple rule: If the word has a squiggly red line under it, it is either not recognized or it is misspelled. Don't hit enter until you correct the mistakes. 02:05 NekoGloop someone remind me why i have terrariumblocks 02:05 NekoGloop i dunno 02:06 LAD oh now u guys nice to me 02:06 Octupus leave the kid alone he is has dyslexia 02:06 VanessaE no one's being mean, LAD. 02:06 Octupus Chheez 02:06 LAD BS 02:06 LAD VAFFENCULO 02:06 VanessaE at least I'm not. 02:06 NekoGloop I'm just being the usual me 02:06 VanessaE as am I. 02:06 NekoGloop making fun of things i find funny 02:07 VanessaE well that's not my intent - I'm trying to help 02:07 NekoGloop without any regard to who might care 8) 02:07 LAD ITS NUL MLGF 02:07 VanessaE ? 02:07 NekoGloop ... wut 02:07 VanessaE now how the hell do you expect us to understand that? 02:07 LAD XD 02:07 Octupus ik what he;s saying 02:07 VanessaE DON'T HIT ENTER UNTIL YOU CORRECT YOUR MISTAKES. 02:07 NekoGloop hold on, I'm curious as to how google translate will say what that is 02:08 Octupus lad what your mouth XD 02:08 LAD thfy l00h 2 mf 02:08 Octupus *watch 02:08 NekoGloop it actually thought that was english 02:08 NekoGloop shows how much google translate knows 02:09 VanessaE NekoGloop: half the time, lately, Translate thinks everything I start with is English or at least not the language I actually entered. 02:09 NekoGloop "VAFFENCULO" is apparently spanish for "VAFFENCULO" 02:10 Octupus Vanessa lad says he is very srry 02:10 VanessaE Octupus: so tell him to re /join 02:10 NekoGloop btw, has everyone gotten my hatches patch? 02:10 VanessaE Octupus: I will not put up with belligerence, especially when I'm trying to help him improve himself. 02:10 VanessaE NekoGloop: no? 02:11 VanessaE what patch? 02:11 NekoGloop the one that makes opened hatches not be signlike 02:11 Octupus ok vaneesa 02:11 VanessaE Neko: ahh 02:11 NekoGloop you do have it? 02:11 VanessaE I think you sent me that sometime ago, but I don't remember if I tested it out 02:12 LAD WTH 02:12 VanessaE got a full mod I can try it out in? 02:12 NekoGloop a full mod? 02:12 NekoGloop wut you mean :3 02:12 LAD VE what was that for i ask u in the most nicest from of gratitude 02:12 NekoGloop LAD: eh? 02:12 VanessaE yeah, you know - something I can just download, install, and place a few hatches out of creative inventory :-) 02:12 NekoGloop you were using leetspeek 02:13 NekoGloop VanessaE: oh sure 02:13 NekoGloop one second 02:13 VanessaE LAD: take a guess. 02:13 LAD uhhh 02:13 LAD hmmmm 02:13 LAD idk 02:13 LAD i get kicked 02:13 LAD for ppl fucking with me 02:13 LAD how dous that work 02:13 VanessaE LAD: I was trying to show you how to improve yourself and instead you launch into a tirade. 02:13 Octupus oh shit 02:13 LAD picking on a kid way youger then u 02:14 NekoGloop uh lol? 02:14 LAD hmm 02:14 NekoGloop I'm likely the youngest here 02:14 NekoGloop so shove it 02:14 LAD so who should be geting kicked 02:14 LAD ... 02:14 VanessaE you, because you are the one making a scene here. 02:14 LAD uhhh 02:14 Octupus_ Oooooo 02:14 LAD whp mad fun of my spelling?? 02:14 VanessaE but I will refrain for now, since you got the point already. 02:14 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZnkzeg VanessaE 02:14 VanessaE LAD: I was NOT making fun of it - I was *trying* to tell you how to improve it. 02:15 VanessaE NekoGloop: got it. 02:15 LAD i cant 02:15 VanessaE you can 02:15 VanessaE you just choose not to. 02:15 LAD uggg 02:15 NekoGloop I'll go slap that on the forum for hatches 02:15 Octupus_ Don't make lad mad he make me mad then il go apeshit on random ppl 02:15 LAD u cant help dyslexia 02:15 Octupus_ :l 02:15 Octupus_ A fair warning 02:16 LAD sometimes u spell bad things and sometim it good 02:16 VanessaE LAD: Dyslexia does not force you to hit enter before correcting your mistakes. 02:16 LAD ive tought my self to spell bette rthen the average dyslexia 02:16 LAD yea 02:16 LAD but it make me see letters diferntly 02:17 LAD so it looks normel to me but u its messed 02:17 VanessaE LAD: yes I know that - I am well aware of what dyslexia does to some people. 02:17 VanessaE which is why I told you to get a better IRC client - one with a built-in spellchecker. Xchat does this. 02:17 LAD it wont work 02:17 VanessaE that way you can see your mistakes before you hit enter. 02:17 VanessaE why won't it work? 02:18 LAD i'll just read the corrfct form wrong 02:18 VanessaE *bzzt* wrong. 02:18 VanessaE again 02:18 VanessaE as I said like twice now: 02:18 VanessaE it TELLS YOU if a word is wrong. 02:18 Octupus Leave the boy a fucking lone 02:18 LAD u can't help me 02:18 LAD god 02:18 VanessaE "the boy" needs to learn. 02:18 NakedFury finished my pyramid!! 02:18 LAD u know ive never writen a essay my self 02:18 VanessaE LAD: it will tell you that the word is wrong by putting a red line under the word. 02:19 NekoGloop NakedFury: can i see? :3 02:19 LAD i know 02:19 VanessaE and it will let you pick a correct word to replace it from a menu 02:19 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=48288#p48288 02:19 VanessaE (assuming it can figure out what you might have meant( 02:19 VanessaE ) 02:19 Octupus :l 02:19 LAD but in the nfno i ready hte wrong 02:19 Octupus That wasn't nice vanessa 02:19 NekoGloop neither was it mean 02:19 NakedFury http://screenshotuploader.com/s/01/6vEVEa5OI 02:19 LAD fuck u 02:20 NakedFury 3 high and 3 wide 02:20 Octupus To me? 02:20 VanessaE Octupus: it's a computer - they aren't that good at figuring out plain language. 02:20 VanessaE that was a knock on the computer program, not LAD. 02:20 VanessaE you need to lighten up. 02:20 NekoGloop I cant tell, are those dokutest textures? 02:20 Octupus Me HA 02:21 VanessaE NekoGloop: seems to work well 02:21 NakedFury its in minetest.org 30000 02:21 VanessaE Octupus: you are the one threatening to "go apeshit on random ppl" 02:21 NekoGloop also they're climbable when open 02:21 NakedFury in the next few days I will start the city surrounding it 02:21 Octupus If lad gets me angry 02:21 Octupus If u get him angry 02:21 * LAD is now iggnoring 02:22 Octupus XD 02:22 VanessaE NekoGloop: suggestion - use multiple nodeboxes for each of the pieces of the hatch 02:22 NekoGloop VanessaE: suggestion - do it thyself 02:22 VanessaE Octupus: you will keep your temper in check if you want to stay in this channel. 02:22 VanessaE NekoGloop: too lazy :-) 02:22 Octupus Ok 02:22 Octupus :) 02:22 LAD on a scale of 1-10 of bitchs every 1 is a 5 or up ecspet for me octu and Coder 02:22 NekoGloop Octupus: remember who wields the mighty "@" symbol 02:23 Octupus Ok 02:23 Octupus :l 02:23 LAD @ 02:23 VanessaE And I am not quick to use it either - which means if I kick you, it's because you seriously fucked up. 02:23 LAD hmmf 02:23 NekoGloop NakedFury: may i ask, why are desert things textured the same as normal sand/ sandstone? 02:23 Octupus Ok 02:24 NakedFury because dokucraft doesnt have any other sand type so I just made it darker 02:24 NekoGloop maybe make it redder as well 02:24 NakedFury redder? 02:24 NekoGloop more orange-y 02:24 NakedFury ok ill work on that 02:25 VanessaE NekoGloop: I may need your help later for some testing (not tonight - maybe after Monday).. you kinda bitched and whined about the tabletops ;) so I'm going to convert them to nodeboxes, but I want to see how much detail I can get into those round ones (read: how round I can make them) 02:25 NekoGloop like the normal desert sand and stone 02:25 MiJyn hi LAD 02:25 VanessaE evening RealBadAngel. 02:25 NekoGloop VanessaE: see Jeija's irregular nodeboxes, just lower the detail 02:25 LAD MJ PM 02:25 VanessaE NekoGloop: I know about those - that's how I got the round brass pole in homedecor. 02:26 Octupus LAd u want that og kush :) 02:26 LAD XD hell yea 02:26 NekoGloop it's round? :D 02:26 VanessaE but I have a different idea in mind - overlapping nodeboxes would cut the total number used in half, assuming I understand his code. 02:26 Octupus XD 02:26 VanessaE yup, it's far rounder than c55 thought it could have been :) 02:26 Octupus Ppl seem grumpy tonight 02:27 NekoGloop is it just me, or is oldcoder's build suddenly about 50% crashier? 02:28 NakedFury not for me 02:28 NakedFury no crashes even when messing with worldedit 02:28 NakedFury and fast load 02:28 NekoGloop well i didnt just disconnect; i completely crashed right then 02:28 Octupus O 02:29 Octupus G 02:29 Octupus Kush 02:30 NakedFury god damn asian drama shows about food 02:30 VanessaE brb 02:30 Octupus T Raw 02:31 Octupus I wonder if the ban hammer will hit me tonight not like I business 02:31 NekoGloop NakedFury: PLEASE make the hand not look so stupid 02:32 NakedFury im trying. I want to bring the default doku character texture but it looks weird in the folders and I dont know how to make it. still a noob in some part of texturing 02:33 NakedFury make new textures? not possible. edit lightly current ones? yes heavy edits? no 02:33 NekoGloop then at LEAST leave it as the default one for now 02:34 NekoGloop at certain points, there should be stairs in the pyramid to allow you to scale irt 02:35 OldCoder Hi 02:35 OldCoder Back 02:35 NakedFury im thinking of making glass walls to see the interior 02:35 OldCoder NekoGloop, Where is this happening? 02:35 NakedFury and its high to allow cables or tubes 02:35 OldCoder And it's probably the world 02:35 OldCoder NekoGloop, details if possible 02:35 NekoGloop OldCoder: yeah, seems to just be the server 02:36 OldCoder NekoGloop, which world? 02:36 NekoGloop 30000 02:36 OldCoder NekoGloop, there may be fewer crashes for some worlds now 02:36 OldCoder NekoGloop, But I am having a *lot* of trouble with that map 02:36 NekoGloop remind me why we have ambience? 02:36 OldCoder NekoGloop, I went back to a week ago. If there are still problems... 02:36 OldCoder NekoGloop, Because iqual* and others were strongly in favor of it 02:37 OldCoder NekoGloop, My new clients... 02:37 OldCoder NekoGloop, will include the cache so be faster. AND... 02:37 NekoGloop ambience just makes lag lag lag and more lad 02:37 NekoGloop lag* 02:37 NekoGloop not lad 02:37 OldCoder NekoGloop, I will ask VanessaE to help me with a checkbox 02:37 OldCoder To turn it off 02:37 OldCoder Will that be satisfactory? 02:38 OldCoder NekoGloop, if there is a checkbox to turn it off will this help? 02:38 NekoGloop turn what off 02:38 NekoGloop ambience? 02:38 Octupus Coder ##minetest-m13 02:38 NekoGloop or sound entirely? 02:38 OldCoder Octupus, O.K. 02:38 OldCoder NekoGloop, whatever you wish 02:38 NekoGloop I just wanna build 02:39 NekoGloop without lagging to the point that i cant even place a single node without placing it millions of time 02:39 NekoGloop normal sounds are fine 02:39 NekoGloop constant sounds? not so much 02:43 NekoGloop OldCoder: the crash: http://pastebin.com/t4SS5qxG 02:44 OldCoder NekoGloop, ty 02:44 OldCoder NekoGloop, I think we need to delete that world 02:44 OldCoder Let me review 02:44 OldCoder I can reset right now 02:44 OldCoder NekoGloop, I will glance at the server logs 02:44 NekoGloop what is wrong with it? 02:45 OldCoder NekoGloop, I am reviewing 02:45 OldCoder Hmm 02:45 OldCoder 02:44:16: ERROR[ServerThread]: Item "throwing:bow_stone" not defined 02:45 OldCoder That probably is not it 02:46 OldCoder NekoGloop, How long ago was most recent crash? 02:46 OldCoder NakedFury, you here? 02:46 NekoGloop half an hour 02:46 NakedFury yes 02:46 NekoGloop but it was clientside 02:46 NakedFury adding glass to pyramid 02:46 OldCoder NakedFury, NekoGloop We went back a week 02:46 OldCoder Ah 02:46 OldCoder NekoGloop, Hmm 02:46 NakedFury OldCoder I havent crashed since hours ago 02:46 NekoGloop your client and this server 02:46 OldCoder NekoGloop, Assertion failure 02:46 OldCoder NakedFury, have you tried my client? 02:46 OldCoder NakedFury, You said it works? 02:46 NakedFury every since you added the priviledges no crash. havent logged off either 02:46 NakedFury yes I am using it 02:46 OldCoder Hmm 02:47 NakedFury the 30mb version 02:47 OldCoder NekoGloop, In conclusive. What other problems have you seen? 02:47 NekoGloop none 02:47 NakedFury and i have been fooling with worldedit to see if it crashes 02:47 OldCoder One crash then 02:47 OldCoder Hold on 02:47 NekoGloop other than slight lag with the ambience 02:47 NekoGloop but ambience being a cpu-hog is normal 02:48 OldCoder NekoGloop, We'll look into turning it off 02:48 OldCoder Wait 02:48 NekoGloop can i have fly and worldedit in 30000? 02:49 NekoGloop give as well, please 02:49 NekoGloop OldCoder: ^ 02:49 OldCoder NekoGloop, Yes 02:49 OldCoder In 15 minutes if you remind me 02:56 NekoGloop NakedFury: Mithril should have Lapis Lazuli texture 02:56 Octupus M 02:57 NakedFury I am planning to edit ores to have at least as much as possible unique textures 02:57 NakedFury so if color is similar it wont matter because the way it is arranged is different 02:59 NakedFury and I found animated doku torches with a total of 64 frames 02:59 NakedFury gonna be a nightmare to edit them for all 3 versions but will do it 03:03 VanessaE there. one closet cleared out...and now the former contents thereof are stacked up on my desk :-S 03:04 VanessaE (our computer room is the only room left to be packed up) 03:06 NekoGloop OldCoder: been 15 mins ;) 03:15 NekoGloop good night people 03:28 RealBadAngel hi all and good morning minetest :) 03:29 MiJyn hi RBA 03:29 MiJyn I need to talk to jordach... 03:29 tripod_ HI RBA 03:29 * VanessaE pokes RealBadAngel 03:29 * RealSexyDevil eats RealBadAngel 03:29 RealBadAngel hehehe 03:30 RealSexyDevil sup other half 03:30 VanessaE haha 03:30 RealBadAngel whats up VanessaE ? 03:30 VanessaE not much here, just resting a bit from going nutz :-) 03:30 VanessaE (I'll finish going nutz later tonight) 03:30 MiJyn with what? 03:31 RealBadAngel is it just me or minetest.net is lagged? 03:32 VanessaE the forums? seemed okay to me earlier 03:33 VanessaE MiJyn: with what, what? 03:33 MiJyn VanesaE, the "nutz" part :P 03:34 VanessaE hrm, you're right, all of a sudden it is getting kinda slow. 03:35 VanessaE MiJyn: moving to a new home. I've been going nutz (nuts, crazy) packing 03:35 MiJyn oh 03:35 MiJyn nice 03:38 VanessaE so now my desk here is loaded down with a bunch of crap that used to be in the closet, so it can be properly packed up later. 03:38 OldCoder High 03:38 OldCoder NekoGloop is right! 03:38 OldCoder Hmm 03:39 RealBadAngel dammit, Calinou updated stairs+ with modname prefix support 03:39 VanessaE well you did suggest it to him :-) 03:39 RealBadAngel but left half of hardcoded "stairsplus" prefixes 03:39 VanessaE lol 03:39 RealBadAngel in all recipes 03:41 RealBadAngel drop = also have stairsplus in them 03:42 RealBadAngel that how ends choosing elegant way rather than easy and working one 03:43 RealBadAngel i suggested only adding ":" in a few definitions to get it rolling, but then neko came with "modname" parameter and both fucked up everythin 03:46 VanessaE now now RBA 03:46 VanessaE lol 03:47 VanessaE "boy (n.) 1. Noise with dirt on it." 03:47 VanessaE (image on my husband's facebook tab_ 03:47 VanessaE ) 03:50 * VanessaE looks at all the junk piled on her desk and whimpers 03:50 VanessaE anyone feel like coming over and helping us pack? :-) 03:52 RealBadAngel use TNT gonna be faster ;) 03:52 VanessaE haha 03:53 RealBadAngel damn, modname parameter shall be passed to register_craft functions also 03:53 RealBadAngel they really fucked it up 03:54 VanessaE so fix it and send calinou the result? 03:54 VanessaE :) 03:54 RealBadAngel and the other thing comes in mind 03:54 RealBadAngel when stairs will be registered with modname 03:55 RealBadAngel in creative we gonna have extra stairs slabs etc spreaded all over the inventory 03:55 RealBadAngel instead of havin all of them in one pile 03:55 VanessaE which is why I think creative inventory needs categories 03:56 RealBadAngel agreed, should be sorted 03:56 RealBadAngel but how to automate it? 03:56 VanessaE a dropdown to select which mod to look through plus an "all" category 03:56 VanessaE or a listbox 03:56 RealBadAngel dont tell me by "modname" parameter lol 03:56 VanessaE well no, but by mod name in general - default, bucket, etc. 03:57 RealBadAngel you just did 03:57 VanessaE ok fine :-) 03:57 VanessaE how else would you do it? 03:57 VanessaE maybe a filter? 03:57 RealBadAngel thats a good idea here 03:57 VanessaE a field you can type into to select by regexp or something 03:57 NakedFury for creative ideas just check out Too Many Items or Not enough items for minecraft 03:57 RealBadAngel but again you wont get all the stairs in one place 03:57 NakedFury it shows THE PERFECT way to do it 03:57 RealBadAngel thx to neko's invention 03:58 RealBadAngel im not gonna use their version 03:58 VanessaE yeah but how would you expect to gather them all in one place and still properly be associated with each mod that registers new stairs? 03:58 RealBadAngel ":" is the right way to do that 03:59 RealBadAngel if we use ":" then all the stairs will belong to stairsplus no matter what mod registered them 03:59 VanessaE yes 03:59 RealBadAngel and filtering will show proper reuslts 03:59 RealBadAngel just all the stairs 04:00 RealBadAngel and not missing technic registered stairs 04:02 RealBadAngel but one thing has to be done for my new creative inventory 04:02 RealBadAngel tooltips have to be added for image_button 04:02 OldCoder k 04:03 RealBadAngel OldCoder, tested. like a charm 04:03 OldCoder k 04:03 OldCoder Glad 04:03 RealBadAngel you can update US then 04:03 OldCoder k 04:04 OldCoder As soon as I give NekoGloop his privs; I promised 04:04 RealBadAngel when you will see him, kick him in the butt 04:04 OldCoder ? 04:04 RealBadAngel he will know why 04:04 * OldCoder shrugs 04:04 OldCoder U.S. worlds going down shortly just briefly for Technic 04:05 OldCoder Anybody else have an update? 04:05 RealBadAngel for his idea of adding "modname" parameter to stairsplus 04:05 OldCoder k 04:05 OldCoder RealBadAngel, is your version still good/ 04:05 OldCoder ? 04:05 RealBadAngel yes 04:05 OldCoder k 04:05 RealBadAngel mine is the right one and i will force it to stay 04:05 OldCoder k 04:05 OldCoder Merge your changes back 04:05 OldCoder Speak to author 04:05 RealBadAngel i will 04:06 RealBadAngel writin forum post bout it right now 04:07 Octupus hi 04:08 RealSexyDevil hi 04:08 tripod hi 04:11 NakedFury how to do corner stairs? 04:12 VanessaE M M M 04:12 VanessaE - M M 04:12 VanessaE - - M 04:12 VanessaE M = some material 04:12 VanessaE those are wall stairs actually 04:12 RealBadAngel posted 04:12 NakedFury not that version. floor version for corner 04:13 VanessaE corner stairs, put one microblock above a slab 04:13 VanessaE or put a microblock to the left of a regular stair 04:13 VanessaE (depending on which type of corner stair you need) 04:14 NakedFury im struggling to make a nice pyramid entrance but its not working 04:15 NakedFury actually I need more stone types and desert stone types 04:15 RealBadAngel i just thought bout nice machine. kinda sticky piston/node breaker/deplyoer in one 04:16 RealBadAngel put the node into inventory, of any kind 04:16 RealBadAngel with mesecon signal deploy it in front 04:16 NakedFury be inspire by the tremor beasts and make one like that 04:16 RealBadAngel next signal break it 04:16 RealBadAngel and loop 04:17 RealBadAngel could be used to make doors or walls workin on push the button 04:17 OldCoder Oops 04:17 NakedFury idea: node breaker + engine + chest = tunneling machine 04:18 OldCoder I am tired and forgot to rebuild 04:18 OldCoder NakedFury, U.S. worlds cycling 04:18 VanessaE RealBadAngel: how will you handle if the user gets stupid and placed a lava source? ;) 04:18 RealBadAngel and be smaller in size than with the pistons 04:18 RealBadAngel nodes not the liquids :) 04:19 RealBadAngel hmmm, how to call such a machine? anybody has an idea? 04:19 OldCoder U.S. worlds restarted 04:19 OldCoder With new Technic 04:19 RealBadAngel deplobreaker? :) 04:19 OldCoder RealBadAngel, ^ 04:19 RealBadAngel k 04:19 OldCoder Test and be amazed 04:19 VanessaE RealBadAngel: Block manipulator 04:19 OldCoder By the wonders of Technic 04:20 VanessaE naw too generic 04:20 NakedFury Nodipulator? 04:20 RealBadAngel lol 04:22 RealBadAngel is there a t-flip_flop built in mesecons? 04:22 VanessaE µC can do that 04:22 VanessaE there's a programming shortcut for them 04:22 RealBadAngel such stuff shall be used then with nodipulator 04:23 RealBadAngel to make a workin doors 04:23 VanessaE or if you're really ambitious, you could build a multivibrator from a few NAND gates ;) 04:23 VanessaE or something 04:23 VanessaE I'm too tired :) 04:24 RealBadAngel told ya, tnt. you wont be then so tired and will have lotsa of spare time ;) 04:24 VanessaE bbl. time to try to sleep, speaking of which. 04:24 OldCoder night 04:25 RealBadAngel good night VanessaE 04:26 RealBadAngel any other ideas for the name? 04:27 OldCoder Name? 04:27 OldCoder Oh 04:27 RealBadAngel of the nodebreaker and deployer in one 04:27 OldCoder k 04:28 RealBadAngel got the idea for craftin it tho, it shall be just nodebreaker + deployer in crafting grid :) 04:29 RealBadAngel and i think i will make it to work for 2 nodes in front of it 04:29 NakedFury you have to move it? 04:30 RealBadAngel it will allow to easily make 4 nodes wide entrances 04:30 RealBadAngel no, not movin 04:31 RealBadAngel just operational in 2 nodes in face directions 04:31 RealBadAngel what about the "Constructor"? 04:32 NakedFury can it build? 04:32 NakedFury construct? 04:32 RealBadAngel in fact yes 04:32 RealBadAngel imagine hidden huge doors in mointan walls out of it 04:32 NakedFury then try using the name, if you dont like it later RENAME!!!!! 04:33 RealBadAngel 2 on the left, 2 on the right side 04:33 RealBadAngel 4 on top 04:33 RealBadAngel that will make 4x6 nodes big entrace 04:34 RealBadAngel just by pressing the button 04:35 RealBadAngel make the switch usable by the placer only 04:35 RealBadAngel and you can have impressive entrace to your cave. usable only by you 04:36 RealBadAngel ha, improved the idea 04:37 RealBadAngel nodebreaker+deployer will give constructor workin for 1 node just 04:37 RealBadAngel 2 constructors in crafting grid will make version for 2 nodes 04:37 RealBadAngel again for 3 nodes 04:38 RealBadAngel so Constructor MK1, MK2 and MK3 04:39 RealBadAngel damn me. i need lotsa of textures lmao 04:39 NakedFury yes 04:39 NakedFury you could recycle textures 04:39 NakedFury like sides 04:39 NakedFury if possible 04:39 RealBadAngel i will make MKs by colors just 04:39 RealBadAngel like red green blue 04:40 RealBadAngel just need to make base textures 04:42 RealBadAngel lets check NP smooth texture pack if theres somethin usable for the project 04:42 NakedFury there always is 04:43 NakedFury some just need small edits 04:44 RealBadAngel got it, lets gimp it :) 04:45 NakedFury for example I think original tchnic battery textures are crap 04:45 NakedFury I mean completely white with a colored circle in the middle? 04:45 NakedFury crap 04:45 NakedFury I like yours 04:46 RealBadAngel theyre not mine 04:46 NakedFury well theo nes you are using 04:46 RealBadAngel its NP Smooth TP 04:46 RealBadAngel this abandoned 04:46 RealBadAngel pity but good for me 04:47 RealBadAngel gave me a source of excellent free textures 04:47 OldCoder anunakki, hi! 04:47 OldCoder anunakki, we have not talked BSD recently 04:48 OldCoder Next week feel free to do so 04:48 RealBadAngel try talkin HEX then ;) 04:48 OldCoder Heh 04:48 OldCoder Hehx 04:48 RealBadAngel lol 04:51 OldCoder anunakki, You have not talked much recently 04:51 OldCoder Present? 04:51 hmmmm jesus christ, OldCoder has no life 04:51 RealBadAngel could be like: 04:51 RealBadAngel how #52 #55 #3f #0d 04:51 OldCoder yes 04:52 RealBadAngel in translation: how R U ? <carriage return> 04:52 OldCoder yes 04:52 OldCoder I see the #0d 04:53 anunakki iyea 04:53 anunakki sorry i've just been busy 04:55 OldCoder That is normal 04:55 OldCoder Hope things are O.K. 04:55 NakedFury cant connect. stuck at connecting 04:55 OldCoder Which world? 04:55 OldCoder Cycled? 04:55 OldCoder Hold on 04:55 NakedFury the one i play on most 04:55 NakedFury 30k 04:55 OldCoder 30k 04:55 OldCoder om 04:56 OldCoder Wait 04:56 M13 OldCoder 04:56 OldCoder M13, wait 04:56 M13 go ##oldcoder 04:56 OldCoder M13, wait 04:56 M13 when ur done 04:56 M13 srry 04:59 OldCoder NakedFury, I don't think it crashed 04:59 OldCoder I am seeing a SIGINT 04:59 OldCoder Hold on 04:59 OldCoder Hmm 04:59 OldCoder That is odd 04:59 OldCoder Wait 04:59 hmmmm do you think you can, you know, stop hitting the fucking enter key so much? 05:00 OldCoder 05:00 OldCoder NakedFury, try now 05:00 OldCoder NakedFury, I am quite tired and may have made a mistake earlier 05:00 OldCoder Try and see if it works 05:00 OldCoder If there is a problem 05:00 OldCoder May be the Technic update 05:00 OldCoder Let me know 05:00 OldCoder 05:01 NakedFury ok online now 05:04 OldCoder k 05:05 OldCoder NakedFury, I saw the worlds shut down due to SIGINT 05:05 OldCoder All of them 05:05 OldCoder I may have started them before incorrectly 05:05 OldCoder Regardless 05:05 OldCoder See how it goes this weekend 05:05 OldCoder I will keep changes to a minimum 05:16 OldCoder 05:16 OldCoder All developers: I am accepting MT server or client patches in diff -ruN format. 05:17 OldCoder This is not quite a fork. I will try to remain synchronized with upstream and possibly some of the forks. 05:23 RealBadAngel OldCoder, technic is not the reason. EU with the update is alive and kickin 05:23 OldCoder You are correct RealBadAngel 05:23 RealBadAngel preparing next update, with the Constructor 05:24 OldCoder RealBadAngel, we await the update with delight 05:24 M13 OldCoder PM 05:24 RealBadAngel gonna take a while, need to prepare lotsa textures 05:24 M13 please 05:24 OldCoder M13, k 05:24 OldCoder RealBadAngel, I will be awake about half an hour 05:24 OldCoder M13, k 05:24 RealBadAngel not gonna be ready then, we will leave the update for later then 05:25 RealBadAngel i need to test the new feature anyway 05:27 OldCoder k 05:33 RealBadAngel oldcoder there gonna be one quick update to technic 05:33 RealBadAngel in a few minutes 05:33 RealBadAngel or other way 05:34 RealBadAngel can you give me the link to the snow mod used on the servers? 05:35 OldCoder k 05:35 OldCoder RealBadAngel, yes 05:35 OldCoder to both 05:35 OldCoder hold on 05:35 RealBadAngel im gonna add stairs etc made of ice 05:35 OldCoder 05:36 OldCoder http://minetest.org/snow.zip 05:36 OldCoder RealBadAngel, *All* the mods 05:36 OldCoder will go online soon 05:36 OldCoder My versions 05:36 OldCoder There is the snow 05:38 OldCoder RealBadAngel, maybe you should test that 05:40 * M13 is Going to bed :P 05:41 RealBadAngel OldCoder, http://realbadangel.pl/snow.zip 05:41 RealBadAngel updated snow 05:41 OldCoder k 05:41 OldCoder Wait 05:41 RealBadAngel please install it on EU 05:41 OldCoder RealBadAngel, snow? Not technic? 05:41 OldCoder k 05:41 RealBadAngel yes 05:41 OldCoder om 05:41 RealBadAngel added stairs+ registration call to it 05:42 OldCoder Wait 05:43 OldCoder om 05:44 OldCoder No dice 05:44 OldCoder Deathworld 05:44 OldCoder hold on 05:44 RealBadAngel error? 05:44 OldCoder hold on 05:44 OldCoder Oops 05:44 OldCoder Tried to edit the log file 05:44 OldCoder Huge 05:44 OldCoder Wait 05:45 OldCoder 07:45:51: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest043/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/snow/init.lua: 05:45 OldCoder 07:45:51: ERROR[main]: ...hare/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/snow/init.lua:271: attempt to index global 'stairsplus' (a nil value) 05:45 OldCoder 07:45:51: ERROR[main]: stack traceback: 05:45 OldCoder 07:45:51: ERROR[main]: ...hare/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/snow/init.lua:271: in main chunk 05:45 OldCoder Wait 05:46 OldCoder 05:46 OldCoder No comment 05:46 OldCoder RealBadAngel, ^ 05:46 RealBadAngel got it 05:47 RealBadAngel fix on its way 05:47 OldCoder I must sleep 05:47 RealBadAngel redownload 05:47 RealBadAngel its done 05:47 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/snow.zip 05:48 OldCoder nope 05:48 RealBadAngel and checked this time 05:48 OldCoder x_x 05:48 OldCoder ^ world 05:48 OldCoder world is all dead 05:49 RealBadAngel i will rename file 05:49 OldCoder Can't you test this locally? 05:49 RealBadAngel you must be caching old one 05:49 OldCoder Wait 05:49 OldCoder stop 05:49 OldCoder no 05:49 OldCoder but 05:49 OldCoder wait 05:49 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/snow1.zip 05:49 RealBadAngel tested on local server 05:49 OldCoder wait 05:49 OldCoder wait 05:50 RealBadAngel its working 05:50 OldCoder wait 05:50 OldCoder stop 05:50 OldCoder stop 05:50 OldCoder wait 05:50 RealBadAngel ok ok :) 05:51 OldCoder try now 05:51 RealBadAngel k 05:51 OldCoder I am asleep 05:51 OldCoder Zzz 05:51 OldCoder <--- he is x_x 05:52 RealBadAngel lemme check first :) 05:52 OldCoder Zzz 05:52 RealBadAngel connecting 05:53 RealBadAngel OldCoder, youre free to "Zzz" now :) 05:53 OldCoder k 05:53 RealBadAngel all works like a charm :) 05:53 OldCoder kzzzzzz 05:53 RealBadAngel thanks 05:53 OldCoder fine 05:53 OldCoder talk to the mod authors 05:53 RealBadAngel sure 05:53 OldCoder get your changes merged if they are willing 05:53 OldCoder if not 05:53 OldCoder we will use your versssionsnsszzz 05:53 OldCoder zzz 05:56 RealBadAngel if not i will make a modpack 05:56 OldCoder k 05:56 OldCoder gd 05:56 OldCoder ty 05:56 OldCoder gn 05:56 OldCoder rba 05:56 OldCoder zzz 05:56 RealBadAngel night OldCoder 06:22 RealBadAngel wb Calinou 06:22 RealBadAngel read my post regarding stairsplus please 06:23 RealBadAngel the idea with "modpack" parameter was a mistake i think 06:24 Calinou the stable release of the mod isn't a modpack, only the git repo 06:24 Calinou cbf to make one repo per mod 06:25 RealBadAngel im using the way i proposed, and now on EU server we do have technic, snow mod made stairs 06:25 RealBadAngel all under stairsplus naming 06:26 RealBadAngel when it will get filltered we could have all the stairs etc in one place 06:28 Calinou there, used the modname parameter everywhere 06:28 RealBadAngel not gonna like this solution 06:28 RealBadAngel it will make mess in inventory 06:29 RealBadAngel instead of havin all types of nodes in groups, there will be just a mess 06:30 RealBadAngel why do you and neko are forcing the solutions that are harder to make and doin just a mess? 06:30 RealBadAngel i cannot understand it 06:32 RealBadAngel you told it took for ya 30 minutes to make, you made it wrong. missed lotsa definitions 06:33 RealBadAngel i did workin and sensible workin one in 1 minute or so 06:34 RealBadAngel please rethink the idea 06:35 Calinou "fixes" committed for now 06:35 Calinou ctrl+h ftw 06:35 Calinou RealBadAngel: try again now 06:36 RealBadAngel yeah, i can see you are stuck with modname 06:36 RealBadAngel you just made creative fucked up 06:36 RealBadAngel thanks 06:36 RealBadAngel glad you have read what i wrote 06:37 Calinou people actually use creative? 06:37 * Calinou never uses it :P 06:37 Calinou gonna play creative and see 06:37 RealBadAngel youre not alone here 06:37 RealBadAngel i did 06:38 RealBadAngel i made the changes to your way long before you did 06:38 RealBadAngel and compared the results 06:38 RealBadAngel server nexus has it workin my way and it gonna stay 06:38 RealBadAngel sorry 06:51 Calinou creative inventory does have duplicates, I wonder why, I think I should just remove the stairs/slabs from inventory 06:51 Calinou clogs it up 06:55 RealBadAngel its not about duplicates 06:55 RealBadAngel its about sorting the items 06:55 RealBadAngel theyre sorted by modname 06:56 RealBadAngel then when i apply "stairsplus" filter i could get all the extra blocks 06:56 RealBadAngel then mesecons, or technic 06:56 RealBadAngel that will be huge improvement for creative 06:57 RealBadAngel therefore no point to remove them from creative 06:58 RealBadAngel please wait a day or two when im done with my creative implementation and you will judge for yourself, deal? 07:10 RealBadAngel Calinou, theyre still light bugged btw. http://realbadangel.pl/ice.png 07:23 RealBadAngel sfan5, have you read the conversation? 07:23 sfan5 which one? 07:23 RealBadAngel Calinou and me 07:24 Calinou RealBadAngel: nodeboxes do not support smooth lighting 07:24 Calinou workaround: if you're OCD, disable smooth lighting :> 07:38 RealBadAngel pskosinski, czesc 07:38 RealBadAngel mozesz mi powiedziec czemu jeszcze cie nie ma na europe.minetest.org:30000 ? 07:40 NakedFury what is the name for /giveme stairplus:stair_ desert stone stairs? stair_desert_stone? 07:40 Calinou yep 07:40 RealBadAngel are they defined already? 07:40 Calinou blame giveme for not completing :| 07:41 NakedFury this one? /giveme stairplus:stair_desert_stone or finishing with _stone_stairs? 07:42 NakedFury either versions wont work 07:43 Calinou stairsplus 07:43 Calinou /giveme stairsplus:stair_desert_stone 07:43 NakedFury testing 07:44 NakedFury mother flower it works but I wanted slabs so I just change stair_ to slab_? 07:47 RealBadAngel /giveme stairsplus:slab_desert_stone 07:47 NakedFury did it 07:48 TheRedMood YES 07:48 NakedFury now making macros so I dont have to keep typing pulverize or //p set or some of the others 07:48 TheRedMood YES YES YES YES YES YES YE SYES YES 07:48 TheRedMood :D 07:48 NakedFury god worldedit needs a wand item 07:48 TheRedMood I FOUND A PC I COULD USE PUTTY ON 07:48 TheRedMood FINALLY :D 07:48 anunnaki should all join europe.minetest.org 30000 and build as much as you can! :P 07:48 TheRedMood Well I will join you guys later 07:48 TheRedMood anunnaki: I will, but I can't on this computer. 07:49 RealBadAngel on nexus it works also with ice from snow mod and technic marble and granite 07:49 TheRedMood going to eat 07:49 anunnaki sounds good to me 07:49 TheRedMood anunnaki: Let me hop on later 07:49 anunnaki alright 07:49 TheRedMood And also 07:49 anunnaki i'll most likely be on 07:49 TheRedMood I am the dude who is making redsand 07:49 anunnaki nice 07:49 TheRedMood And if you ever need some command for administrating or making servers more enjoyfull 07:49 TheRedMood please tell me 07:49 anunnaki alright 07:49 TheRedMood I hae yet to merge te unstable and stable branch on git 07:50 TheRedMood So things like 07:50 anunnaki will do 07:50 anunnaki i'm also going to be making my own mods etc.. and helping out as much as i can 07:50 TheRedMood Is not in yet 07:50 RealBadAngel TheRedMood, here after 10 minutes everybody knows who is responsible for something ;) 07:50 anunnaki i just need to get to know the game a little more 07:50 TheRedMood ./heal, /hurt, /kill (agmented) and /sethealth 07:50 TheRedMood RealBadAngel: Oh, Okey :) 07:50 Calinou 1635 textures in misa pack now 07:50 Calinou new version with improved mesecons support :) 07:50 RealBadAngel jesus christ superstar 07:51 TheRedMood RealBadAngel: I just want to get as much feedback as I can possible 07:51 TheRedMood So that I can make the mod better 07:51 RealBadAngel mine only has 270 textures lmao 07:51 RealBadAngel it covers only default, technic and ALL of your mods Calinou 07:52 TheRedMood RealBadAngel: did you hear that OldCoder is pushing a new version? 07:52 RealBadAngel and you wont listen to me 07:52 TheRedMood RealBadAngel: That means we ann al start making more API hooks :D 07:52 * RealBadAngel sadface 07:52 * TheRedMood hugs RealBadAngel 07:52 TheRedMood It is allright :D 07:52 TheRedMood he is just busy thats all! 07:52 TheRedMood Now smile :D 07:52 * RealBadAngel smiles 07:53 TheRedMood That is god 07:53 * TheRedMood lets go of RealBadAngel 07:53 TheRedMood Now then 07:53 RealBadAngel god? 07:53 TheRedMood Do you guys know the wonders of tmux`? 07:53 TheRedMood good* 07:53 TheRedMood I am bad with english, sir. 07:53 RealBadAngel no problemo sir 07:53 TheRedMood :) 07:53 TheRedMood NEKO! 07:53 TheRedMood :D 07:54 RealBadAngel what are ur origins? 07:54 TheRedMood Norway, sir- 07:54 TheRedMood But right now I am in stockholm, sweden. 07:54 RealBadAngel pretty close 07:54 TheRedMood I am attending a wedding here 07:54 RealBadAngel just to swim the baltic sea 07:54 TheRedMood Therfor the joy over getting a pc here which I can run putty from 07:55 TheRedMood You must excuse my bad geography, sir, but where would tht be? 07:55 anunnaki so 07:55 RealBadAngel lol 07:55 RealBadAngel look at the map 07:55 RealBadAngel poland here 07:55 anunnaki i have a few questions for some of you guys who develop 07:55 RealBadAngel shoot 07:55 anunnaki what kind of programming enviornment are you working in 07:55 RealBadAngel mean the language or the tools? 07:56 anunnaki i've only ever programmed in a *nix environment,a nd i'm not much of a C guy 07:56 anunnaki tools etc.. 07:56 RealBadAngel im on windows 07:56 anunnaki i mean in a windows environment 07:56 anunnaki because its new to me 07:56 TheRedMood Ohh 07:56 anunnaki i have a buddy who recommends mingw 07:56 TheRedMood okey :D 07:56 RealBadAngel so im using EditPlus 07:56 anunnaki hmm 07:56 TheRedMood anunnaki: can I answer? 07:56 anunnaki yea, sure, all can answer 07:56 anunnaki i'll compile a list of resources and go fromt here 07:56 RealBadAngel it has filters and highlight for predefined syntaxes 07:57 anunnaki hmm 07:57 RealBadAngel then have windows github client 07:57 RealBadAngel to sync the projects with github 07:57 TheRedMood anunnaki: Well I use vim, because of personal preferance 07:57 anunnaki nano guy here 07:57 anunnaki XD 07:58 TheRedMood anunnaki: I would advise getting a text editor and not an IDE 07:58 TheRedMood because it makes more sense after a while 07:58 TheRedMood Well I need to eat nwo 07:58 anunnaki and it is all in C right? 07:58 anunnaki lol 07:58 anunnaki minetest that is 07:58 pskosinski RealBadAngel: Cześć. Nie gram w Minetest od jakiegoś czasu… 07:58 anunnaki i'm a php/perl kind of guy always have been, always considered pointers to be a pain in the ass and the reason why i fail at C 07:59 RealBadAngel so i created a sandbox for what im doin. workin with editplus projects, when i think something is rdy to publish i move it to repo directory and run github client to sync it with online version 07:59 FreeFull Pointers are actually really easy 08:00 anunnaki hmm, nice RealBadAngel thats kind of what i'm going to be looking for 08:00 anunnaki i just need to put together an environment that is comfortable for me 08:00 RealBadAngel are u win user? 08:01 anunnaki yea, but i've always programmed using *nix 08:01 anunnaki i mean, i could always use a vm or something 08:01 RealBadAngel no 08:01 anunnaki but screw that 08:01 RealBadAngel take this as 1st 08:01 RealBadAngel total commander with edit plus 08:01 anunnaki hmm 08:01 anunnaki alright 08:01 anunnaki looking into them now 08:02 RealBadAngel lemme upload it for ya 08:02 anunnaki are you emulating a *nix environment? 08:02 anunnaki and if so 08:02 anunnaki what are you using? 08:02 anunnaki cygwin 08:02 anunnaki or mingw 08:02 RealBadAngel VMware 08:03 RealBadAngel i do have debian 6 on a virtual machine 08:03 anunnaki i'm working on a freebsd virtual machine for myself and oldcoder 08:03 anunnaki to release as our own version of BSD 08:04 anunnaki well distrobution 08:07 RealBadAngel uploading total commander rite now 08:07 NakedFury okay question time: how the hell is worldedit getting positions for load?? 08:08 VanessaE whatever //pos1 is. 08:08 VanessaE also hi 08:08 NakedFury it says to select pos1 but it loads miles aways from pos1 08:08 VanessaE that's where the //load starts - but it's always in the same orientation 08:08 RealBadAngel woohoo, our snowqueen woke up ;) 08:08 VanessaE barely - I won't be on for long 08:09 RealBadAngel cmon white take a cup of black 08:10 RealBadAngel more devilish the better 08:11 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=48268#p48268 < lol 08:11 Calinou he got a 8 year old GPU :| 08:11 Calinou <RealBadAngel> VMware 08:11 Calinou sucks 08:11 Calinou a lot 08:11 RealBadAngel coffe is a programmers friend :) 08:11 TheRedMood VanessaE: MRS! 08:11 TheRedMood :D 08:11 Calinou people are too stupid to buy virtualization shit, when there's virtualbox 08:11 TheRedMood Calinou: Are you saying that an 8 year old gpu is ol`d? 08:12 Calinou yes 08:12 RealBadAngel Calinou, i know. im using it just to compile minetest 08:12 VanessaE RealBadAngel: now's your chance to harass Calinou for modname prefix in stairs ;-) 08:12 Calinou VanessaE: I tried to fix it up :P 08:12 VanessaE Calinou: you suck :D 08:12 TheRedMood VanessaE: Guess where I am mrs! 08:12 Calinou no u 08:12 TheRedMood :D 08:12 VanessaE TheRedMood: where? 08:12 RealBadAngel im raping him all the time. hes sayin: no way 08:12 TheRedMood Yes, Mrs. 08:13 Calinou VanessaE: I think you should add c55 for commit rights 08:13 Calinou ask 08:13 RealBadAngel LOL 08:13 VanessaE eh? 08:13 VanessaE oh 08:13 VanessaE hah! 08:13 RealBadAngel welll said :) 08:13 VanessaE he'd laugh me right out of the channel 08:13 Calinou he said a few days ago maybe someone could get commit rights 08:13 TheRedMood VanessaE: I am in sweden right now! We had an 8 hour drive yesterday, and now I finally found a pc where I could use putty 08:13 VanessaE TheRedMood: cool. 08:14 RealBadAngel cmon VanessaE, let c55 do something. just a little patch for start maybe :) 08:15 VanessaE I'm serious - he would laugh his ass off, and besides I would probably end up screwing something up 08:15 TheRedMood VanessaE: What is happening? 08:15 VanessaE the direction I'd want to take minetest if given the opportunity is different from what c55 has in mind 08:15 TheRedMood :o 08:15 RealBadAngel VanessaE, last time you havent 08:16 VanessaE TheRedMood: nothing much right now. just finished breakfast, sort of 08:16 RealBadAngel menu patch is perfect 08:16 Calinou VanessaE: if he gives commit rights to someone, it's probably just to check pull requests around, not add homedecor & flowers in default game 08:16 * TheRedMood is confused X( 08:16 Calinou pull requests are almost never merged - this DOES suck 08:16 TheRedMood can I ask something 08:17 Calinou that's how FOSS works - you must be able to contribute to it 08:17 TheRedMood What are you doing, sir, that VanessaE should do? 08:17 RealBadAngel thats why we need fork(or spoon, or a knife) 08:17 Calinou this is why we need someone to check pull requests, and if appropriate add them 08:17 TheRedMood Calinou: I am totaly with you, sir :D 08:17 Calinou RealBadAngel: a pull request is a fork 8) 08:17 TheRedMood Well I coould volenteer 08:17 RealBadAngel yeah, but c55 used to say spoon you 08:17 TheRedMood But I feel like we need someone with deeper roots in the community 08:18 RealBadAngel we could have something like a court for each patch 08:19 RealBadAngel made of several folks with rights to change main tree 08:19 VanessaE Calinou: well of course, but my coding sk1llz aren't exactly worthy of praise where C++ is involved. My little video settings patch is more of a hack anyway :-) 08:19 Calinou we don't need a 8 bit ALU to check whether patches should be merged :P 08:19 Calinou merging pull requests is pretty much adding code, compiling and testing whether "it works" 08:19 Calinou there's no real C++ skills needed I bet, unless the thing doesn't work :P 08:19 RealBadAngel when most of them agreed to merge it can be merged 08:20 Calinou someone should probably paste this log to #minetest-dev :p 08:20 TheRedMood Calinou: No. 08:20 RealBadAngel VanessaE, dont underestimate yourself plz. 08:20 TheRedMood We do not need a community war 08:20 TheRedMood RealBadAngel: Mrs is telling the truth. 08:21 TheRedMood RealBadAngel: If there is one thing a good developer hate over all it is feeling uncompotent 08:21 RealBadAngel so im tellin her 08:21 TheRedMood RealBadAngel: Even worse locking yourself in a position where you have a lot people pending on your skill 08:21 RealBadAngel she did a great job 08:21 TheRedMood While you know your skillset is not good enogh yet 08:21 RealBadAngel and she doesnt believe in herself 08:21 TheRedMood I am sure RealBadAngel, but this is her call :) 08:21 TheRedMood She does 08:22 TheRedMood But she is huble 08:22 TheRedMood Humble. 08:22 TheRedMood There is a big diffrence 08:22 RealBadAngel she shouldnt 08:22 RealBadAngel shes a great coder 08:22 RealBadAngel i admire her style 08:23 RealBadAngel she was able to take my stupid ideas and turn them to nice, NICE lookin piece of code 08:24 RealBadAngel my wires -> into pipes and tubes 08:25 RealBadAngel she at the start asked me to do that 08:25 RealBadAngel so i woke up in the middle of the night 08:25 RealBadAngel after a while she asked it for 08:25 VanessaE :) 08:25 RealBadAngel and saw she already did it for herself 08:25 TheRedMood RealBadAngel: Well, I am going against you here 08:25 RealBadAngel way better i would 08:26 TheRedMood RealBadAngel: Refining code is easyer than writing it 08:26 TheRedMood I am ure you did a great job in the first plaec 08:26 RealBadAngel disagree 08:26 TheRedMood Well I would like to be your elder now that so i could say "Don't argue with your elders" 08:26 RealBadAngel shes a great coder. and shut up 08:26 RealBadAngel :) 08:26 TheRedMood But I am pretty sure I am younger than you , sir X3 08:27 TheRedMood can you point out where i said she wasn't a great coder, sir? 08:27 VanessaE ok ok ok guys come on 08:27 RealBadAngel i dont know your code enough 08:27 RealBadAngel i know Vanessa's one 08:27 VanessaE this ain't about my ability to code, it's about c55's inability to give commit access to people :-) 08:28 TheRedMood Sorry for discussing, mrs 08:28 Calinou I bet he'd laugh at me if I asked :P 08:28 RealBadAngel spoon 08:28 RealBadAngel is the only option ;) 08:28 TheRedMood VanessaE: Give me a secound so i can break my fingers. Maybe that wil make them stop typing the suffices 08:28 TheRedMood suffixes* 08:29 TheRedMood I just want to point out something 08:29 TheRedMood We are about to become a more and more vibrant community, for everyday 08:30 TheRedMood And I just want to say that we should remember that :) 08:32 VanessaE now now red 08:32 VanessaE no need to get like that 08:32 VanessaE just tell your ESL teacher he's a moron ;) 08:37 TheRedMood Well 08:37 TheRedMood its a she 08:37 TheRedMood And she is scary :( 08:38 TheRedMood Even if she is just 1,6m 08:38 TheRedMood She is soo scary :( 08:38 TheRedMood And this comes from a person, with 4 years of karate 08:38 TheRedMood And which stands 1,89m tall 08:38 TheRedMood :( 08:41 RealBadAngel you finally found that out 08:41 RealBadAngel shes a she, black belt and tnt in had 08:42 RealBadAngel *hand 08:42 RealBadAngel so watch out ;) 08:42 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 08:42 TheRedMood HELLO :D 08:42 TheRedMood Well she doesn't 08:42 RealBadAngel hi PilzAdam 08:42 TheRedMood but she got a silver toung 08:43 TheRedMood Which whips at anything it sees 08:43 TheRedMood Her words, slice trough the air, and cut deep wounds in the person in its path 08:43 PilzAdam who are you talking about? 08:44 RealBadAngel hehehe, guess 08:45 TheRedMood My english teacher :( 08:45 TheRedMood She is scary 08:45 TheRedMood She is the reason for my habbit of adding suffixes(sir, miss, mrs) to sentences 08:46 TheRedMood A recent event made me realize that this is not good english 08:46 RealBadAngel not rly 08:46 RealBadAngel good, but just not here 08:47 RealBadAngel irc hates such expeditions. there are no sirs here 08:48 TheRedMood well, that would be wrong x3 08:48 TheRedMood There are males and females on irc 08:48 PilzAdam and something between this 08:48 anunnaki hey RealBadAngel 08:48 RealBadAngel even the king here is just a user 08:48 anunnaki how would i go about generating electricity with water? 08:48 anunnaki instead of solar panels 08:49 RealBadAngel anunnaki, why not, just craft Water Mill 08:49 FreeFull Split it into hydrogen and oxygen 08:49 anunnaki hmm 08:49 FreeFull Then use the hydrogen for fusion 08:49 TheRedMood I need to go now 08:49 RealBadAngel theres already flowinf water generator 08:49 TheRedMood Bye all :D 08:50 RealBadAngel *g 08:50 RealBadAngel bye 08:50 anunnaki ah ok 08:50 anunnaki i see 08:50 RealBadAngel come to my base, i will show you 08:51 TheRedMood Ha a nice day all :D 08:51 RealBadAngel u 2 08:58 Jordach well Portal 2 works 08:59 Jordach hello all 08:59 RealBadAngel minetest 0.4.3 too 08:59 RealBadAngel hi 09:00 * Jordach gets 60fps on Portal 2 09:00 * RealBadAngel gets 60fps on minetest 09:02 RealBadAngel where are you wandering? stick to your game :) 09:12 VanessaE morning Jordach 09:21 TheRedMood Who 09:21 TheRedMood Actully 09:21 TheRedMood Whoa- 09:21 Jordach hello VanessaE 09:21 TheRedMood I got 120 fps on minetest 09:22 VanessaE I never get more than 60 and I have a kick-ass video card 09:22 TheRedMood Is there someway that in the new version we could include a fps cap? 09:22 TheRedMood Well on average it is 94 09:22 TheRedMood But that is from a world just started, the world still generating 09:22 TheRedMood it stabelizes at 105~111 09:23 Jordach VanessaE, in Portal 2's steam folder, theres a file called portal2.sh 09:23 TheRedMood So it looks like the game is slowmo 09:23 PilzAdam hi Jordach 09:23 PilzAdam hi VanessaE 09:23 VanessaE hey PilzAdam 09:23 TheRedMood VanessaE: Protal 2 is awesome :D 09:23 VanessaE never played it. 09:23 TheRedMood :o 09:23 Jordach VanessaE, puzzles 09:23 Jordach + fps gaming 09:23 Jordach but no guns 09:23 TheRedMood Jordach: Portal 2 is so good :D 09:23 TheRedMood Well, I like counter strike 1.6 09:24 TheRedMood and counter strike source 09:24 TheRedMood But I don't like the mw series 09:24 Jordach apparently the windows version can run on Linux natively 09:24 TheRedMood Jordach: It can't, not yet 09:24 Jordach portal2.sh is found in the steam folder 09:24 TheRedMood Jordach: valve is working on it in secret. 09:24 TheRedMood :) 09:25 iqualfragile hl3? 09:25 TheRedMood no, to port steam and portal 2 to linux 09:25 TheRedMood to do that they need to revamp the source engien 09:25 TheRedMood But if there is someone who can do it is valve := 09:25 iqualfragile they dont work on that in secret 09:25 iqualfragile they work on that in public 09:26 iqualfragile there was even an press-release stating that they want to port all the games to linux 09:26 Jordach http://pastie.org/5088073 portal2.sh and http://i.imgur.com/aPEUg.png 09:27 Jordach Portal 2 has Linux support already 09:27 TheRedMood okey 09:27 TheRedMood Boot it up then 09:27 TheRedMood start it on linux :D 09:27 Jordach i dont use linux since i almost killed my partition boot sector 09:27 Jordach after the mess from ubuntu 09:27 iqualfragile it would never do that 09:27 TheRedMood well as a linux user 09:27 TheRedMood I tell you that it won't work 09:27 iqualfragile it just puts grub there 09:27 Jordach iqualfragile, GRUB2 can kill your mbr 09:28 TheRedMood Well it can 09:28 iqualfragile yeah, it overwrites it 09:28 TheRedMood But not kill it 09:28 iqualfragile thats the point 09:28 Jordach iqualfragile, and i could only use lilo's mbr 09:28 Jordach (from live cd) 09:28 iqualfragile interesting 09:28 TheRedMood Since windows needs it mbr to start 09:28 TheRedMood grub makes it for windows 09:28 TheRedMood But going away from linux is a living hell 09:28 FreeFull I use syslinux 09:28 iqualfragile did you have any strange copy-protected software running under windows? 09:29 FreeFull TheRedMood: Going away from linux is either restoring the MBR from backup or using a windows CD to restore the mbr 09:29 iqualfragile they sometimes put stuffs in the mbr 09:29 TheRedMood Yes 09:29 TheRedMood FreeFull: Now can you plese tell me how you would do that without any of those 2 options? 09:29 iqualfragile going away from linux? who would do that 09:29 TheRedMood :D 09:29 TheRedMood Someone who is giving the PC to his little sister 09:30 iqualfragile i mean: going away from ubuntu, allright, going to arch or gentoo, allright, but going away from linux? 09:30 iqualfragile just give her linux, its easyer 09:30 TheRedMood hh 09:30 TheRedMood Well she doesn't understanlinux so thpoint woulden't really live? 09:31 TheRedMood Besides the harddisk was not to big 09:31 TheRedMood So when she is going to bloat it up with pictures and so on 09:31 TheRedMood HAving those etra 200GB is essential :) 09:31 VanessaE linux is only hard to understand if you refuse to learn - we all learned back in the early days how to use a computer, so it ain't that hard. 09:31 iqualfragile nah, that script wont work 09:31 TheRedMood VanessaE: Agree 09:31 TheRedMood VanessaE: But she doesn't want to learn 09:32 TheRedMood iqualfragile: I said so already :) 09:32 VanessaE then honestly, she shouldn't be using a computer at all 09:32 TheRedMood X3 09:33 VanessaE not a general-purpose one anyway 09:33 TheRedMood VanessaE: My point exactly, but I have learned to deal with "enduser" problems 09:33 VanessaE get her a tablet something. 09:33 TheRedMood If people don't want to use a stronger, faster, open system 09:33 TheRedMood Then I just have to make it easy for them to go over to it 09:33 TheRedMood All of our media servers are going to run linux 09:33 iqualfragile no, most people leared how to use windows, but think they leared how to use a computer and are shocket when they get to realize that this is not the case 09:34 VanessaE bbl, time to get some more sleep 09:34 TheRedMood good night, Mrs :) 09:34 iqualfragile its 11:30 in the morning 09:34 iqualfragile (here) 09:34 PilzAdam yep 09:34 iqualfragile hi adam 09:34 iqualfragile gn8 vanessae 09:36 Jordach FUCK linux 09:36 TheRedMood Jordach: Go die 09:37 Jordach TheRedMood, im tired of people saying Linux is better 09:37 Jordach GO FIND A OS that has GAMING 09:37 iqualfragile well, linux IS better 09:37 iqualfragile linux has gaming 09:37 Jordach iqualfragile, anything bar Windows XP is SLOOOW 09:37 PilzAdam Jordach, win id better for gaming, but for nothing else 09:37 Calinou it's perfectly possible to play on linux 09:37 PilzAdam *is 09:37 Jordach PilzAdam, i cant get 20fps in linux 09:38 Calinou I used to play only native games on linux (+TF2, using wine) for 1.5 year 09:38 Jordach i'd have something that _ACTUALLY_ works 09:38 Calinou Jordach: ...get a more recent GPU :P and the proprietary driver -- although the free drivers work quite well 09:38 PilzAdam Jordach, then be happy with it 09:38 Jordach Calinou, already there 09:38 Jordach also; i have a AGP port 09:38 Jordach no PCI-E 09:39 Calinou O_o 09:39 TheRedMood Jordach: Linux is better :o I can prove it. 09:39 iqualfragile additionaly: you dont need any games besides widelands, wesnot, df & nethack 09:39 Calinou TheRedMood: UEFI and preinstalled windows both beg to differ 09:40 Calinou UEFI works nice FOR NOW, but secure boot will come soon, have fun going in settings to disable it 09:40 Jordach Calinou, its an Acer Aspire; do you think it will have PCI-E (from 2006)? 09:40 Calinou iqualfragile: you forgot FPSes :< 09:40 Calinou there was PCI-E in 2006 09:40 TheRedMood Calinou: Well then. Are there a reason that 90% of worlds servers are running linux? 09:40 FreeFull Calinou: Add Warsow then 09:40 Calinou and it started to become a standard around 2006 09:40 Jordach Calinou, AGP works just fine 09:40 Calinou FreeFull: sauerbraten, red eclipse, openarena, xonotic :P 09:40 TheRedMood Calinou: Are there a reason that these massive computer parks are running linu not windows? 09:40 iqualfragile ah, i forgot strategy-games, too 09:40 iqualfragile 0ad 09:40 iqualfragile warzone 09:40 TheRedMood Calinou: Are there a reason that most system intense software are written for linux 09:41 iqualfragile well, rts 09:41 FreeFull Calinou: Probably only Xonotic matches Warsow in gameplay =P 09:41 Calinou TheRedMood: windows is not written for linux 09:41 Jordach iqualfragile, Age of Empires, Starcraft 2 09:41 TheRedMood Wait Calinou I am getting some friends 09:41 Calinou 8D 09:41 Calinou FreeFull: red eclipse is awesome gameplay wise, sauerbraten has nice old school gameplay 09:41 TheRedMood Calinou: I am sure they have some arguents for you :D 09:41 Calinou I like old school FPSes 09:41 Jordach Skyrim. 09:41 iqualfragile jordach: you coud run those under linux, too 09:41 FreeFull I like sauerbraten for the level editing 09:41 Calinou TheRedMood: I have lubuntu on an external drive (regrets, should've installed debian) 09:41 Jordach iqualfragile, Skyrim wont even run in linux 09:41 Calinou not using it because I need to reinstall everything and get drivers working 09:41 iqualfragile but 0ad is just better then age of empires 09:41 FreeFull Calinou: You can always switch distros if you want 09:41 iqualfragile then play another rpg 09:42 Calinou the proprietary driver is not detected, and free drivers are crap for fermi/kepler nvidia GPUS 09:42 Calinou 570gtx here 09:42 iqualfragile there are tons of rpgs for linux 09:42 FreeFull You'll lose all your software but can keep your /home 09:42 Calinou FreeFull: and I lose everything I downloaded 09:42 Calinou I did a separate /home, yeah 09:42 PilzAdam Jordach, i dont need win for gaming, i hav a xbox 09:42 iqualfragile who did not? 09:42 Calinou my connection isn't fast: I download at 250kb/susually 09:42 Calinou lolconsoles 09:42 iqualfragile im runnig 3 distros in paralel 09:42 TheRedMood Calinou: then use sometling like gentoo! 09:42 Calinou gentoo 09:42 Calinou hahahAHAHAHAHAHA 09:42 TheRedMood Calinou: Or just install it nativly 09:42 Calinou it's the old harshlinux 09:42 TheRedMood I use slackware on my homebox 09:43 iqualfragile calinou: what are you running? 09:43 TheRedMood Which I am connected to trough putty 09:44 TheRedMood Pen drives are not meant for permanent installations of linux 09:44 iqualfragile uugh, putty 09:44 iqualfragile well, but you can use them 09:44 TheRedMood yeah you can 09:44 TheRedMood But to say that it is a hassel to reinstall drivers and so on 09:44 TheRedMood is just an invalid arguents as you would have to do it with windows to 09:44 iqualfragile nah, just dont use properitary 09:44 TheRedMood Well agreed 09:44 TheRedMood Go ahead and use windows 09:45 iqualfragile then it will use the right drivers automaticly 09:45 iqualfragile lolno 09:45 TheRedMood But don't go talking shit about Unix without being preapeared for a fight 09:45 iqualfragile calinou: what distro are you running 09:45 TheRedMood It would not 09:45 iqualfragile it would, i tried it out 09:45 TheRedMood I dubt you ould even install windows on a usb 09:45 TheRedMood iqualfragile: Show me a video of you having windows on an usb 09:45 iqualfragile wtf? im not talking about windows 09:46 TheRedMood iqualfragile: Getting performance out of it, getting all the drivers right 09:46 iqualfragile but you can install win7 on an usb-stick 09:46 TheRedMood Sure 09:46 TheRedMood Go ahead and show me 09:47 TheRedMood Show me how your p runs ith it 09:47 TheRedMood And so on 09:47 TheRedMood then lets take a test run with aGNU/Linux distro on the same system 09:47 TheRedMood And see who gets the best out of it 09:47 TheRedMood :) 09:48 Calinou iqualfragile: winblows here 09:48 Calinou and lubuntu on an external drive, but I almost never run it anyway 09:48 Calinou I have a working OS, why run another OS? 09:48 TheRedMood Well 09:48 Calinou (and I paid for it) 09:48 TheRedMood I do some C programing 09:48 iqualfragile wow 09:48 TheRedMood so I like linux :) 09:48 iqualfragile great, you paid for it 09:48 Calinou the main reason I'm not removing windows is because it was preinstalled 09:48 iqualfragile wonderfull 09:48 Calinou iqualfragile: like almost everyone 09:48 Calinou but Jordach :> 09:48 TheRedMood Calinou: Agreed. 09:48 TheRedMood :) 09:48 Calinou computer manufacturers make money out of linux users 09:48 Calinou computer without OS is more expensive 09:49 Calinou building a computer is more expensive 09:49 TheRedMood Not really 09:49 TheRedMood I know a couple of people who could trhow together pces for almost nothing 09:49 iqualfragile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jclt_ylFWXs&feature=related 09:49 Calinou it is; pre-made computers are bought "in bunches" by resellers 09:49 Calinou this is why they're cheaper, even when they have winblows 09:50 Calinou OS-less computers are rarely bought like that by resellers; this is why they are more expensive 09:50 iqualfragile you could install fedora with prestos 09:50 Calinou same applies to computer parts 09:50 Calinou I run debian in virtualbox btw :P 09:50 iqualfragile that would only download the differences 09:51 Calinou fedora is for furries 09:51 TheRedMood well 09:51 TheRedMood you could just get the parts ? 09:51 TheRedMood Builda a omputer from the ground 09:51 TheRedMood That can be a lot less expensice 09:52 Calinou it is very expensive 09:52 Calinou - there are no price reductions (whatever they are called in english) on parts, almost never 09:52 Calinou - you have to build it yourself. costs time, thus money 09:52 iqualfragile oh, noes, that one hour 09:53 iqualfragile it will rape my moneys 09:53 Calinou - the hardware can be more expensive, because it isn't bought "in bunches" by resellers 09:53 Calinou aunt tille doesn't buy PC parts 09:53 Calinou iqualfragile: building the computer takes more than one hour usually 09:53 Calinou if you're fast, 90 minutes easily 09:53 Calinou :p 09:53 Calinou never tried 09:53 iqualfragile no, it takes me about an hour 09:53 Calinou and what if you fail? NO WARRANTY YAY 09:53 iqualfragile maybe less 09:53 Calinou you have to rebuy the hardware 09:53 iqualfragile why would i fail? 09:53 Calinou and it's quite easy to burn your CPU/GPU 09:54 Kray the fuck 09:54 iqualfragile i have done that (not burning) many times 09:54 Calinou Kray: hi arch linux user 09:54 Kray it takes something like 15 minutes to build it 09:54 iqualfragile so i have quite some experience 09:54 iqualfragile that depends on what parts you have 09:55 iqualfragile sometimes its a bit tricky because of an small shell and a big gpu 09:55 iqualfragile or sth 09:55 PilzAdam i have one question: why do you talk about this int #minetest ? 09:55 PilzAdam *in 09:56 Calinou Kray: everything? the CPU, GPU, RAM, and especially disk? 09:56 Kray yes 09:56 Calinou and remember the case; what if you can't fit everything in? FUBAR 09:57 Calinou this is why I prefer pre-built PCs, but unfortunately they're almost always shipped with winblows 09:57 Calinou the ones without OS are more expensive 10:01 TheRedMood Well 10:01 TheRedMood I still say that you can build pces 10:01 TheRedMood that are less expensie 10:01 TheRedMood :) 10:02 PilzAdam iqualfragile1, wlan? 10:03 iqualfragile1 jup 10:03 iqualfragile1 -.T 10:03 iqualfragile1 •.• 10:03 iqualfragile1 -.- 10:03 iqualfragile1 … 10:06 Jordach http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/admin_mourning.png 10:07 iqualfragile1 uh, i just found out i allready had an github-account when trying to register a new one 10:07 iqualfragile1 that happens to me all the time 10:07 PilzAdam iqualfragile1, maybe it was iqualfragile? 10:08 PilzAdam or iqualfragile2? 10:09 iqualfragile1 nah, i guess iqualfragile 10:09 iqualfragile1 nah, i guess iqualfragile_ did it 10:21 Calinou <TheRedMood> I still say that you can build pces 10:21 Calinou <TheRedMood> that are less expensie 10:21 Calinou pics or it didn't happen 10:21 Calinou :p 10:24 nyuszika7h Calinou, when did you get unbanned 10:24 nyuszika7h oh wait, this is #minetest, not #minecraft 10:24 Calinou :> 10:24 iqualfragile1 what did you do? 10:25 nyuszika7h :O 10:25 nyuszika7h someone from Hungary is banned 10:25 nyuszika7h 12:25:09* -- | [#minecraft] *!*@82-131-147-78.pool.invitel.hu banned by lindbohm.freenode.net (lindbohm.freenode.net) on Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:44:23 10:25 nyuszika7h good thing my ISP is different anyway :P 10:27 TheRedMood Wow 10:27 TheRedMood X3 10:27 TheRedMood Project euler 7 10:28 TheRedMood I just keep messing that u 10:28 TheRedMood up 10:29 M13 hello 10:30 PilzAdam hi 10:30 M13 um r you good with os's 10:30 M13 making them 10:30 PilzAdam i know a bit assembler 10:30 M13 nice 10:31 M13 umm..... how hard would it be to make a os that supports bash and wget in a console? 10:31 M13 that boots 10:32 PilzAdam dunno 10:32 PilzAdam but booting is not very hard 10:32 M13 ik 10:33 M13 isolinux is pritty strait forward 10:33 M13 but ill talk to you later Im going to bed 10:37 Calinou lolassembler 10:38 iqualfragile1 well, im on my way then, goodbye 10:54 TheRedMood It works now :D 11:08 FreeFull PilzAdam: Which assembler? x86? 11:08 PilzAdam gnu assembler 11:13 FreeFull That tells me the program, but not the cpu architecture you're assembling for =P 11:14 PilzAdam it tells you the syntax 11:15 PilzAdam and yes, x86 11:18 FreeFull I don't like AT&T syntax =P 11:19 FreeFull Intel syntax forever. Also, fasm is the best assembler <3 12:33 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, theres nothin like GNU assembler. there are only assemblers for certain CPUs 12:33 RealBadAngel and theres no GNU at all 12:33 PilzAdam "AS - the portable GNU assembler." from manpage of as 12:34 RealBadAngel dunno who created it, some moron propably 12:34 RealBadAngel assembler is the lowest level. machine code 12:35 PilzAdam i know what assembler is 12:35 RealBadAngel lowe are only 0 and 1 12:35 RealBadAngel *lower 12:36 RealBadAngel to what assembler is translated directly 12:37 RealBadAngel and theres no gnu, open source or whatever, just what producer of the CPU provided 12:37 RealBadAngel and nothin portable for sure 12:38 PilzAdam assembler is also the programm that "compiles" the code 12:38 PilzAdam its not only the "language" 12:38 RealBadAngel no 12:38 RealBadAngel youre wrong 12:38 RealBadAngel any high level language is translated into assembler 12:39 RealBadAngel CPU doesnt understand nothing but assembler 12:39 RealBadAngel its CPUs language 12:39 PilzAdam assembler has to be compiled too 12:39 PilzAdam by a assembler 12:39 RealBadAngel to 0 and 1 12:39 PilzAdam yep 12:39 RealBadAngel directly 12:39 PilzAdam no 12:39 Lumpio- lol 12:39 Lumpio- 15:34:15 < RealBadAngel> dunno who created it, some moron propably 12:39 Lumpio- This guy... 12:39 RealBadAngel i was grown with assembler 12:39 Lumpio- Are you a troll? 12:40 RealBadAngel shut up 12:40 RealBadAngel im a assembler coder :P 12:40 Lumpio- Either you're lying or you're a really bad "assembler coder" 12:40 PilzAdam i code something in assembler, then i "compile" it with as and then i link it with ld 12:40 RealBadAngel i was coding in assembler propably before you come to this world even 12:41 Lumpio- All an assembler does is read a text file and output a binary file 12:41 PilzAdam Lumpio-, thats true 12:41 Lumpio- Anybody can write an assembler and you sure as hell can write one that targets multiple platforms, for instance. 12:41 RealBadAngel LOL 12:41 PilzAdam Lumpio-, that is what gnu assembler does 12:41 Lumpio- I am aware of that. 12:41 RealBadAngel multiplatform assembler 12:41 RealBadAngel thats funny 12:42 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, man page of as: "NU as is really a family of assemblers. If you use (or have used) the GNU assembler on one architecture, you should find a fairly similar 12:42 PilzAdam environment when you use it on another architecture" 12:42 PilzAdam *GNU 12:42 Lumpio- I think RealBadAngel is either just dumb or is confused between assembly language and the program that compiles it 12:42 RealBadAngel so its called wrong 12:42 RealBadAngel its not a assembler anymore 12:42 Lumpio- The terminology is a bit confusing. 12:42 PilzAdam yep 12:42 PilzAdam assembler is a language and a name for assembler "compilers" 12:42 RealBadAngel its something pretending to be an assembler 12:43 Lumpio- But if you say "assembly language" for the language and "an assembler" for the compiler it's pretty unambiguous. 12:43 Lumpio- RealBadAngel: How is it pretending if it works 12:43 PilzAdam Lumpio-, but compiler is wrong 12:43 RealBadAngel its a cheat 12:43 Lumpio- why 12:43 Lumpio- RealBadAngel: Ok, if that's a "cheat" then what defines the "real thing"? 12:44 RealBadAngel assembler opcode is an instruction in a human readable form translated into binary form 12:44 PilzAdam Lumpio-, because compiling is a bit different to what a assembler does 12:44 Lumpio- PilzAdam: How so? 12:44 Lumpio- A compiler takes input in one language and outputs something in another language. 12:44 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language#Related_terminology 12:44 RealBadAngel and theres no way for it to be portable in any way 12:45 Lumpio- An assembler compiles from assembly language to machine code (it's still a language - just not very human readable) 12:45 PilzAdam Lumpio-, maybe because its a low language. but i dunno 12:45 RealBadAngel for every CPU has its own opcodes 12:45 Lumpio- RealBadAngel: The *program* is portable. It can read many kinds of assembly languages. 12:45 PilzAdam "The assembler is said to be "assembling" the source code." wikipedia 12:45 RealBadAngel language error then 12:45 Lumpio- RealBadAngel: It can compile from x86 assembly to x86 machine code, ARM assembly to ARM machine code etc. All in one program! 12:46 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, not a language error 12:46 RealBadAngel even there is no x86 only 12:46 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, assembler = compiler; assembly language = language 12:46 RealBadAngel theres x86 made by intel and by AMD 12:46 RealBadAngel wiki says bullshits 12:46 Lumpio- Of course there's different flavors and extensions 12:46 PilzAdam thats syntax differences 12:46 RealBadAngel lol 12:46 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, wiki is not bullshit 12:47 RealBadAngel there is no syntax at all 12:47 Lumpio- But if you don't understand that an assembler is just a program (infact it's a mathematical operation), then you're clueless as to how computers work. 12:47 Lumpio- And programs can be made portable. 12:47 RealBadAngel shit 12:47 RealBadAngel bull 12:47 RealBadAngel shit 12:47 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, youre wrong 12:47 Lumpio- I'm not sure if I can take this channel anymore 12:47 Lumpio- I can't even tell whether people are trolls or not 12:47 RealBadAngel you sir, havent wrote even a single line in assembler, so shut up 12:47 Lumpio- Me? 12:48 PilzAdam or me? 12:48 RealBadAngel Lumpio-, 12:48 RealBadAngel otherwise i wont be hearin such bullshits 12:48 Lumpio- I avoid using assembler because C is so much more reasonable, but I can write ASM if I need to V: 12:48 Lumpio- For microcontrollers for instance. 12:49 Lumpio- And in doing that I ran an assembler for an entirely different architecture on my x64 computer :P 12:50 RealBadAngel thats what happens nowadays 12:50 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, this is the code: http://ompldr.org/vZnk5Ng/exit.asm and this is the compiled and linked version: http://ompldr.org/vZnk5Nw/exit 12:50 RealBadAngel folks dont even understand what low level programming is 12:51 RealBadAngel effect is such as we all know. go buy better hardware. im to lazy to low level code it 12:52 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, i trust wikipedia more than i trust you 12:52 RealBadAngel sure 12:53 RealBadAngel despite the fact i was coding in assembler when there were no wiki or even internet there 12:53 Lumpio- Well you obviously weren't because you're still misunderstanding everything. 12:54 Lumpio- I've probably written code for less powerful hardware than you. 12:54 RealBadAngel Lumpio, no i was learnin how to code in assembler like 25 yrs ago 12:54 Lumpio- And I've written low-level code (when I was tinkering around with a simple OS) for modern hardware as well. 12:54 RealBadAngel so i know the rules and roots 12:54 Lumpio- Oh, which platforms? 12:54 Kray LumpiOS? 8) 12:55 Lumpio- Kray: yes 12:55 RealBadAngel Zilog Z80 then first x86 12:55 Lumpio- It never really turned into an OS though 12:55 Kray js goes to every field 12:55 Lumpio- yes 12:56 RealBadAngel wanna see a piece of assembler soft? 12:56 Lumpio- Sure. 12:56 PilzAdam yep 12:56 Lumpio- I could even teach you how to cross-compile it 12:56 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noKH_RXHrVI 12:57 RealBadAngel thats written in pure Z80 assembler 12:57 Lumpio- Aww, I thought it was something you wrote. 12:57 RealBadAngel i did 12:58 RealBadAngel thats my game 12:58 RealBadAngel writen in 1992 as i recall 12:59 Lumpio- neat 12:59 Lumpio- Well, I can give you props on writing it on the original hardware. I guess we're spoiled with modern tools these days 13:00 Lumpio- Even though the target platform can be almost as limited (1MHz microcontroller with 2kB of code space, for instance) 13:00 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Assembler 13:00 Lumpio- But at any rate, if you like assembly, you might still want to consider learning what it's used for in the modern world 13:01 Lumpio- Because by claiming that there are no such things as open source assembler software or cross-compilers, you're making yourself look pretty dumb. 13:01 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, its a neat cheat :) 13:01 PilzAdam we could write some parts of minetest in assmebler, its realy fast 13:01 RealBadAngel thats the way to pretend all CPUs are the same 13:01 RealBadAngel which is not true 13:02 RealBadAngel so therefore its not low level programing language 13:02 RealBadAngel its kinda interface to it 13:03 Lumpio- RealBadAngel: It doesn't pretend all CPUs are the same 13:03 Lumpio- You still need to write in the correct assembly language 13:03 RealBadAngel definition does 13:03 Lumpio- It can't magically translate ARM assembly into x86 code for instance 13:03 Lumpio- That doesn't work. 13:03 Lumpio- Did you even read what that program does before calling it a "cheat"? 13:04 Lumpio- All it does is let you compile many different kinds of assembly language into their respective machine code 13:04 RealBadAngel its like you will invent GNU Wheel. Fits for all the cars. No matter combi or the bus or even the truck 13:04 Kray if you are not coding on some microcontroller, there is no good reason to write assembler manually aside from using some special SSSE-instructions, for example 13:04 RealBadAngel GNU Wheel rulz 13:04 Lumpio- RealBadAngel: Do you have difficulties understanding the English language? 13:05 Lumpio- If you do please say so. 13:05 RealBadAngel if i disagree i must be misunderstanding? 13:05 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, no, you give it rubber and it looks wich wheel would be best and creats the wheel 13:05 Lumpio- good grief 13:06 Lumpio- RealBadAngel: No, you must be misunderstanding because what you're saying makes no fucking sense 13:06 Lumpio- Maybe you've gone senile 13:06 RealBadAngel hehe 13:06 RealBadAngel modern coders are just different 13:07 RealBadAngel i just said what i had to 13:07 Lumpio- I started on a C64 .__. 13:07 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, how old are you? 13:07 RealBadAngel almost 40 13:07 RealBadAngel started to code on z80 when i was 13 or so 13:08 Lumpio- I started on a C64 when I was about eight or so 13:08 Lumpio- BASIC only though, since that's all the book that came with it taught 13:08 Lumpio- And I had no other reference material .__. 13:08 FreeFull If you put x86 assembly in minetest, what is someone who wants to run it on a raspberry pi supposed to do? 13:08 PilzAdam i started 6 years ago with Java 13:08 RealBadAngel when i was in high school i wrote OS like libraries for VESA 13:08 Lumpio- FreeFull: Rewrite it in ARM assembly 13:09 Lumpio- Besides putting assembly code in something like a game is quite useless 13:09 Lumpio- GCC can optimize better than most people 13:09 RealBadAngel wrong 13:09 Kray llvm optimizes even better than gcc 13:09 RealBadAngel man with time tables in hand is always better 13:09 Lumpio- what 13:09 RealBadAngel if code is too slow write it better 13:09 Kray nope 13:10 Lumpio- But it's not too slow. 13:10 Lumpio- In C or even freaking Lua (which is used for most of the game logic AFAIK) 13:10 RealBadAngel i was rewriting basic routines dozens of times 13:10 Lumpio- Today, readability and portability and more important than saving two cycles by using hand-optimized ASM 13:10 RealBadAngel to get better timings 13:10 Lumpio- Yeah, in 1992! 13:10 Lumpio- It's 2012 now 13:10 RealBadAngel to each cycle of the cupu 13:10 RealBadAngel *cpu 13:10 Lumpio- And putting in ASM breaks both compatibility and maintainability. 13:10 RealBadAngel yes, its 2012 13:11 Lumpio- Priorities change 13:11 Lumpio- People write games in freaking Python these days 13:11 RealBadAngel and now game makers telling you go buy better hardware 13:11 Lumpio- Yes. Because better hardware is cheaper than better code. 13:11 Lumpio- Programmers cost money. 13:11 Lumpio- Good ones at least 13:11 RealBadAngel which is nonsense 13:11 Lumpio- Yeah, it is, from an assembly geek's viewpoint 13:12 RealBadAngel hardware is good enough to run 10x better games 13:12 Lumpio- But the world runs on money, not beautiful code (even though I don't like that fact myself either) 13:12 RealBadAngel but coders are lazy 13:12 FreeFull Well, we do stuff now that would be impossible on a C64 no matter how good your code is =P 13:12 Kray define "better game" 13:12 Lumpio- RealBadAngel: But would you want to wait for five years more per game to see that done? 13:12 Lumpio- And pay twice the price? 13:12 RealBadAngel for a masterpiece? 13:12 RealBadAngel sure i would 13:12 Lumpio- Really, really good code takes time and time is money. 13:12 Kray 161216 Kray define "better game" 13:12 Lumpio- RealBadAngel: Good for you. Most people wouldn't. 13:13 RealBadAngel im a coder i can understand what it takes 13:13 Lumpio- I'm a coder too. 13:13 FreeFull I've never written a game so I don't understand what it takes to do that yet 13:13 RealBadAngel time :) 13:14 Lumpio- ...and money. 13:14 PilzAdam depends on the game 13:14 RealBadAngel money you expect to get 13:14 * FreeFull doesn't see why it'd take money if you're working by yourself 13:14 FreeFull Time, sure =P 13:14 RealBadAngel i got several k of british pounds for mine efforts 13:15 Lumpio- Your efforts doing what 13:15 RealBadAngel it was pretty nice as for a kid 13:15 RealBadAngel as the Snakemania you saw on youtube 13:15 PilzAdam Backt to Minetest: minimal transfers 266,042 Bytes to the client (media only) 13:16 Lumpio- RealBadAngel: I kind of liked the idea of that game btw, did you get it from somewhere or invent it yourself? 13:17 Lumpio- (Also how do we even know you made that ¬u¬) 13:17 RealBadAngel as long as im Maciej Kasatkin, former member of E.S.I. demoscene group 13:17 RealBadAngel its my fucking game 13:18 Lumpio- Ah, East block huh 13:18 Lumpio- No wonder you're so cocky 13:18 RealBadAngel no wonder you dont understand some things ;) 13:19 RealBadAngel the idea of snake is as old as computers are 13:19 Lumpio- I know, but that specific one 13:19 RealBadAngel i just did it for certain platform 13:19 Lumpio- Where you have a cramped maze and you need to choose your path carefully so you don't get into a dead end 13:20 RealBadAngel thats a tiny bit ive added to it 13:20 Lumpio- (Which is kind of the same as the endgame in any snake game, but still) 13:20 Lumpio- I know, but it's a pretty neat idea. 13:20 Lumpio- Remake it for Android and make some cash 13:20 RealBadAngel i shall remake it for PC 13:20 RealBadAngel but its not so easy :) 13:21 RealBadAngel its Z80 code 13:21 RealBadAngel stored on tapes 13:21 Lumpio- Well you have that video 13:21 Lumpio- Just look at it and do the same 13:21 RealBadAngel dunno if theyre readable 13:21 Lumpio- It's not like it has to run exactly the same 13:21 RealBadAngel still a good idea 13:22 RealBadAngel i made several puzzle games like this one 13:22 RealBadAngel hah 13:22 RealBadAngel i can download it lol 13:23 RealBadAngel some1 put the disc images with it free to download 13:23 RealBadAngel funny 13:23 Lumpio- oh no, call the copyright police 13:23 Lumpio- ¬u¬ 13:23 RealBadAngel im feelin like a dinosaur rite now 13:24 Lumpio- Do you still code? 13:24 RealBadAngel now c++ and lua as a hobby 13:24 Lumpio- k 13:26 RealBadAngel talkin of which 13:26 RealBadAngel im goin back to code Constructor 13:26 RealBadAngel i got almost all textures rdy, now to make it work 13:27 RealBadAngel its goin to be pretty neat device 13:28 RealBadAngel up to 3 inventory slots 13:28 RealBadAngel and on mesecons signal it gonna deploy them in a line in front of it 13:28 RealBadAngel next pulse takes them away 13:29 Lumpio- mese 8D 13:29 RealBadAngel so really huge doors will be possible to make 13:30 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZEAp5YSpm0&feature=plcp 13:30 RealBadAngel its gonna be like nodebreaker and deployer in one 13:45 PilzAdam where is the code in c++ that turns dirt to grass? 13:49 RealBadAngel i believe its in lua 13:49 PilzAdam no its not 13:50 RealBadAngel are you sure? 13:50 PilzAdam 80% 13:51 RealBadAngel lemme grep somethin 13:53 RealBadAngel i think youre right 13:53 PilzAdam its content_abm.c 13:54 PilzAdam just found it 13:54 Taoki Any news as to when biomes are going to be scripted in LUA as well? Still waiting for this feature :P 13:54 PilzAdam this is one of the few thinks you cant do in lua 13:56 RealBadAngel content_abm.cpp 13:56 RealBadAngel its here 13:56 PilzAdam <PilzAdam> its content_abm.c 13:56 PilzAdam <PilzAdam> just found it 13:56 PilzAdam ??? 13:56 RealBadAngel heh 13:57 RealBadAngel i was doin research too :) 13:57 Taoki PilzAdam: Its planned to be able to 13:57 RealBadAngel just wrote what i found without reading previous messages :) 13:59 RealBadAngel but this way youre 110% sure you found the right thing lol 14:04 OldCoder Hello 14:05 Taoki Also: Hasn't the anaglyph stereo patch been put in master yet? IIRC it's been there for months and working flawlessly 14:06 RealBadAngel Taoki, ask Oldcoder bout merging it 14:06 OldCoder Taoki, hi. I'm accepting diff -ruN patches now 14:07 Taoki OldCoder: Ok. I still have the patch file around here, does it work if I pastebin it? 14:07 OldCoder Taoki, No 14:07 RealBadAngel Taoki, and ask VanessaE to put the GUI option for it into menu 14:07 OldCoder Taoki, paste wrecks whitespace 14:07 Taoki OldCoder: I'll send the file then, just a sec 14:07 OldCoder Taoki, post a ZIP or .tar.gz of the patch somewhere please 14:07 OldCoder Taoki, DCC doesn't seem to work for me 14:07 Taoki The patch is a little old but should still work. Code should be easy to copy by hand if needed, it's not a lot 14:08 Taoki sure 14:08 OldCoder Taoki, How much is not a lot? 14:08 OldCoder Taoki, problem is not work; it's safety 14:08 RealBadAngel you guys need maybe ftp? 14:08 OldCoder RealBadAngel, yes 14:08 RealBadAngel i can make public one 14:08 OldCoder RealBadAngel, no 14:08 OldCoder RealBadAngel, that is not safe 14:08 Taoki it's safe so no worries 14:08 RealBadAngel hold on 14:09 OldCoder Taoki, do you know how I can make diffs from GitHuB? 14:09 OldCoder *GitHub? 14:09 Taoki OldCoder: Already have the diff, here it is: http://www.filedropper.com/anaglyphstereodiff 14:09 OldCoder Taoki, Reviewing 14:09 Taoki I ckeched with Kompare and it should still be all compatible with the latest MineTest GIT 14:10 Taoki I also tried it with stereo glasses and it looked as splendid as in MC :) 14:10 OldCoder Taoki, that needs Flash I think and I don't have it. Use http://sendspace.com/ 14:10 OldCoder RealBadAngel, a private FTP would be safe 14:11 OldCoder RealBadAngel, You could PM people information 14:11 RealBadAngel host realbadangel.pl 14:11 RealBadAngel user u61493671-minetest 14:11 OldCoder RealBadAngel, no 14:11 OldCoder RealBadAngel, stop now 14:11 RealBadAngel password: minetest 14:11 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Do NOT make a public FTP 14:11 Taoki OldCoder: http://www.sendspace.com/file/tki347 14:11 RealBadAngel i just did :) 14:11 OldCoder RealBadAngel, see PM 14:11 RealBadAngel its safe 14:11 OldCoder RealBadAngel, delete the FTP or you are vulnerable 14:11 OldCoder RealBadAngel, see PM 14:11 OldCoder Taoki, downloading 14:12 RealBadAngel its a VPS 14:13 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Not the point. See PM. Taoki I will add the patch if it works shortly. Is it server and client side or just one or the other? 14:13 Taoki OldCoder: I think only client 14:13 Taoki OldCoder: Also, to minetest.example.conf, I believe you should add: 14:13 Taoki anaglyph = 0 14:13 Taoki anaglyph_strength = 0.1 14:14 Taoki The patch might not have these two 14:14 OldCoder Taoki, I will build a Windows client now to test 14:14 OldCoder It will take a while 14:15 Taoki OldCoder: I'm not sure if server might be needed too. I doubt however... can't tell for sure though 14:15 Taoki Might wanna build both just to be sure, if it doesn't take much longer 14:15 OldCoder Taoki, it is fine 14:15 Taoki ok 14:16 RealBadAngel Taoki, take a look at VanessaE patch that added GUI options for mipmaping and filtering 14:17 RealBadAngel this way you can have it both in config and in GUI 14:17 Taoki OldCoder: Also, nice to see someone so interested and quick in merging patches by other users :) IIRC celeron55 isn't quite as open and happy with that, and usually likes making changes by himself 14:17 OldCoder Taoki, all right. Proceeding now. Time will be required. 14:17 Taoki RealBadAngel: Nice. I'd rather not apply patches just for that right now... if it's good I imagine it will be in 14:17 Taoki RealBadAngel: Are the settings in latest GIT master however? Can I already try them by enabling them in the config? 14:18 Taoki Don't need the GUI if so since I know to edit the conf file 14:18 RealBadAngel https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/267 14:19 RealBadAngel GUI is well, a GUI. comfortable way to set things 14:19 Taoki yeah. But are the settings themselves in the code? 14:19 Taoki The GUI I can wait for to be in master 14:19 RealBadAngel of course 14:19 Taoki nice! 14:19 RealBadAngel read the patch 14:20 RealBadAngel she is adding 4 new variables to config and made them aviable under settings tab also 14:23 Taoki Trying the settings without the GUI patch, for some reason they don't work 14:23 Taoki eg: anisotropic_filter = 16 in minetest.conf 14:23 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/menu.png 14:24 RealBadAngel you need build with the settings 14:24 RealBadAngel http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-25cf375-extrafilters_chkbox-win32.7z 14:24 Taoki RealBadAngel: I need to build MineTest with special settings? 14:24 OldCoder Taoki, details 14:25 Taoki And I'm on Linux not Win32 14:25 RealBadAngel with a patch 14:25 Taoki ah 14:25 Taoki I thought the code itself is already in GIT 14:25 RealBadAngel btw values are 0 or 1 14:25 RealBadAngel 0 turns it off, 1 for on 14:26 RealBadAngel the code is in pull request 14:26 RealBadAngel and no c55 around for weeks 14:26 RealBadAngel thats why we are forkin 14:26 Taoki Who is forking? 14:27 Taoki I hope MineTest doesn't slipt into multiple projects still 14:27 RealBadAngel some folks tired of waiting weeks or months for single line patches 14:28 Taoki That part I agree on 14:28 Taoki Problem is c55 doesn't let others handle pull requests. I understand him being safe about his work, but he should really fix that, otherwise things won't get anywhere 14:28 RealBadAngel he is just bored propably 14:28 OldCoder Taoki, details about special settings to build 14:29 RealBadAngel he was talkin in this manner here 14:29 RealBadAngel "if" "if ever" and so on 14:29 Taoki OldCoder: What do you mean? 14:30 Taoki RealBadAngel: Anyway, I think someone should contact him about it and we should find a solution to this. But, OldCoder seems to be around and from what I understand he has merge rights, so there are other devs 14:30 RealBadAngel that might be a pulse for c55 to wake up 14:30 Taoki hope so, that would be nice 14:30 OldCoder <Taoki> RealBadAngel: I need to build MineTest with special settings? 14:30 OldCoder Never mind 14:31 OldCoder I see the ? now 14:31 RealBadAngel either he gives rights to merge to some1 else 14:31 RealBadAngel or declares hes out 14:31 Taoki BTW. You can find c55 in #minetest-delta, but he doesn't like being bothered there I think 14:31 RealBadAngel or get back to work 14:31 Taoki But yeah, I do hope he says something soon 14:32 Taoki Wouldn't want to see anyone "robbing him of his project", but if he keeps it from progressing by no one else being able to merge I can understand that 14:32 RealBadAngel i would love to see him back 14:32 RealBadAngel sittin there and answering even a newbie questions 14:32 Taoki He doesn't like doing that IIRC. He gets upset easily for some reason... never really understood 14:33 RealBadAngel he did 14:33 RealBadAngel it was for like 2 weeks or so 14:33 OldCoder Taoki, your patch downloaded as some type of HTML junk. Please FTP it. Ask RealBadAngel in PM for details. 14:33 Taoki OldCoder: Weird, it's a zip file. 14:33 RealBadAngel use the ftp 14:33 * OldCoder shrugs 14:33 OldCoder Use the FTP 14:34 Taoki sure 14:34 PilzAdam bbl 14:34 Taoki Anyway, if I remember right, c55 left this channel because he was sick of people asking him noob questions 14:36 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Taoki indicate when patch is ready 14:36 Taoki sure 14:36 OldCoder Taoki, two settings have been added to all my .conf files 14:38 RealBadAngel Taoki, hmmm that was maybe before 14:38 OldCoder Is patch uploaded? 14:39 RealBadAngel but when i joined the community at the start i never seen him here 14:39 Taoki OldCoder: Not yet 14:39 RealBadAngel then were kinda situation between developers, VanessaE told him a few words 14:40 RealBadAngel and he started to listen to the community 14:40 RealBadAngel makin some patches 14:40 RealBadAngel it lasted 2 weeks or so, then he dissapeared again 14:40 OldCoder Taoki, Never mind 14:40 OldCoder Taoki, I used a different browser 14:40 OldCoder Have it now 14:41 Taoki ok. Still connecting 14:41 Taoki OldCoder: Ah, the patch? 14:41 OldCoder Taoki, yes. Proceeding. 14:41 Taoki ok. No need to put it on FTP then 14:41 RealBadAngel OldCoder, you could wait a bit :) he would have then an ftp client :) 14:42 Taoki RealBadAngel: I do now lol 14:42 RealBadAngel hehe 14:42 RealBadAngel good 14:42 RealBadAngel it will be useful in the future 14:44 OldCoder One broken piece 14:44 OldCoder Merging 14:44 Taoki OldCoder: Anyway, can you merge to the actual minetest origin / master? I mean did c55 give you write access, or are you merging to a fork? 14:45 RealBadAngel fork 14:45 Taoki ahhhh 14:45 OldCoder Taoki, I do not have write access to anything that I know of 14:45 OldCoder Taoki, Your patch 14:45 OldCoder will go live in the wild shortly 14:45 OldCoder You can run it 14:45 OldCoder 15 worlds will have it 14:45 RealBadAngel Nexus is the word 14:45 Taoki RealBadAngel, OldCoder: What is the origin of this fork then? I'm switching from c55's as well if it's stis slow 14:46 Taoki Which is the one I'm still using 14:46 OldCoder Taoki, It is a recent git pull 14:46 OldCoder Taoki, If you have speedup patches indicate them 14:46 OldCoder Working now 14:46 Taoki git pull? I mean the origin of the fork 14:46 RealBadAngel patches can hang on official git 14:47 RealBadAngel but are merged into Oldcoders one 14:47 Taoki What is the origin of the fork you and OldCoder have? 14:47 OldCoder Taoki, this was the origin: 14:47 OldCoder git clone https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git 14:48 Taoki i think it's the one i already have 14:48 RealBadAngel if u dont like "forking" word you can name it "spooning" ;) 14:49 Taoki it's ok :) 14:49 Taoki I like forking, just worried that splitting the project in too many pieces could have its downsides 14:49 OldCoder Taoki, there are minor differences. I am merging. 14:49 Taoki Anyway, my GIT origin is https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git 14:49 OldCoder Taoki, Of course 14:49 RealBadAngel some1 already said here that forking sounds to him as fuckin the pigs ;) 14:49 OldCoder Taoki, your copy is out of date 14:49 Taoki Is it the correct one? 14:50 Taoki What do I chance it to? 14:50 RealBadAngel OldCoder, make the tree public somehow 14:50 RealBadAngel on github? 14:51 RealBadAngel and allow others to patch it 14:51 Taoki Also, what's the GIT command to create a new origin and swtich between those? In Windows I had TortoiseGIT, now in Linux I kinda need to do some things by console 14:52 RealBadAngel im using windows GIT client 14:52 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Yes 14:52 OldCoder RealBadAngel, But one step at a time 14:52 RealBadAngel all GUI, no commands 14:52 OldCoder RealBadAngel, That is not possible today 14:52 OldCoder RealBadAngel, but source tarball will go online 14:53 OldCoder when this is automated 14:53 RealBadAngel brb 14:56 OldCoder Taoki, your patch is merged. Will build shortly. 14:56 Taoki thanks 14:56 Taoki OldCoder: What is the remote URL for GIT however? For your version, as I'm still on c55's 14:56 OldCoder Taoki, Explain your question 14:57 Taoki OldCoder: What is the GIT remote for your fork of MineTest? I'm still on celeron55's 14:58 Jordach Taoki, what is this patch you speak of?> 14:58 OldCoder Taoki, this was started recently because I needed to rebuild the servers anyway. I have not GitHubbed this yet. I will provide you with a tarball. For now your own sources are fine. 14:58 Taoki Jordach: Anaglyph stereo for people with 3D glasses 14:58 OldCoder Jordach, a new patch for anaglyphic 14:58 Jordach oh mu. 14:58 Jordach my. 14:58 Taoki OldCoder: ok 15:01 thexyz OldCoder: what's your repo URL? 15:02 Octupus hi 15:03 OldCoder Octupus, hi! 15:04 OldCoder Octupus, news: I am adding more MT patches 15:04 Octupus hi :) 15:04 OldCoder NakedFury, Hello 15:04 Octupus cool 15:04 Octupus i have some news for you also 15:04 thexyz OldCoder: so..? 15:04 OldCoder thexyz, I have a repo for real world projects. Have not formally forked and uploaded MT but will make tarballs available. Repo to follow if this continues 15:04 OldCoder Octupus, go on 15:04 thexyz ok 15:05 Octupus talk on m13 channel 15:05 OldCoder thexyz, this is just this last week; I merged patches 15:05 OldCoder thexyz, because I needed to fix server crashes anyway 15:09 OldCoder thexyz, server fixes seem to have helped 15:09 OldCoder thexyz, they are in the build settings 15:13 RealBadAngel hi Jeija 15:13 Jordach @#minetest: would anyone like jungles to appear alongside deserts and plans and such> 15:14 Jeija Hi everyone, hi RealBadAngel 15:14 RealBadAngel +1 15:14 * Jordach misses the 0.3 jungles 15:14 Jordach and the landgen in the older versions were better 15:14 RealBadAngel Jeija any chance for mesecons wires be placeable on walls? 15:14 Jeija +1 and maybe some other biomes would be awesome 15:14 Jordach jeija: im sure they are easy to code 15:15 Jeija I think so, I guess I give it a try next week 15:15 Jordach ill also look into adding other types of trees 15:15 RealBadAngel Jeija: lookin forward to it :) 15:15 OldCoder Jeija, Hi. Are you WorldEdit? 15:16 OldCoder I don't recall 15:16 Jordach dev* 15:16 OldCoder Jordach, yes 15:16 * Jordach is a grammar yahtzee 15:16 OldCoder All right 15:16 Jeija maybe we could have some more realistic biomes, not tundra next to desert like in minecraft 15:16 OldCoder No 15:16 Jordach Jeija, use two perlin noises 15:17 Jordach one for heat 15:17 Jordach and the other wetness 15:17 OldCoder That is Uberi 15:17 Jeija yep 15:17 RealBadAngel we definitely need more biomes 15:19 RealBadAngel minetest is now like an new, open and empty closet 15:19 hmmmm RealBadAngel, that's already being taken care of 15:19 Taoki OldCoder: Ok, fixed setting up some of my GIT problems. So, if I understand right, your fork does not have a GIT yet. Is that correct? If not I would like to have the origin of the currently active MineTest 15:19 Taoki I'm currently on celeron55's GIT remote, and would like to include yours (or the remote of that fork RealBadAngel mentioned that is more active) 15:20 OldCoder Taoki, I don't follow. (a) I started with the git clone link that I posted above. (b) I may create a repo soon. BTW I am rebuilding server and client with your patch shortly. 15:21 hmmmm taoki, what's your patch? 15:21 OldCoder git clone https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git 15:21 RealBadAngel taoki, you mean u can merge to main tree now? 15:21 Taoki OldCoder: Yeah. The GIT clone link you posted is the one I'm on now, which is mostly inactive. And (b) was my question... so there is no repo yet. Let me know when you make one please 15:21 OldCoder Taoki, what I am doing presently is this: (a) Start with a tarball of that. (b) Add patches. (c) Compile. 15:21 OldCoder Taoki, All right 15:21 OldCoder Taoki, One step at a time 15:21 Taoki RealBadAngel: not sure what you mean 15:22 hmmmm ??? 15:22 RealBadAngel you said youre on c55 git remote 15:22 Taoki hmmmm: Adds anaglyph stereo. Someone else made the code but I still have the patch 15:22 hmmmm oh that 15:22 Taoki RealBadAngel: Currently yes. Was looking for the remote of the new active fork, but OldCoder said there isn't one yet so I'll be waiting for that 15:23 RealBadAngel ah so 15:23 hmmmm i might get push access soon, so i'd be able to add the patch to upstream 15:23 * RealBadAngel is going back to Constructor code 15:24 OldCoder Taoki, what I am doing now is regenerating a fresh source tree on every build using patches. I will put all of that online. 15:24 Taoki sure 15:24 Taoki OldCoder: |Will a GIT repo exist tonight? It's ok if not, just curious 15:25 RealBadAngel cornernote can we talk PM? 15:26 OldCoder Taoki, if you only knew. Things are happening in real life and I probably don't have time for any of this. The setup will evolve one step at a time. 15:26 Taoki ok 15:26 OldCoder Taoki, I sort of lost my home yesterday 15:26 Taoki oh :( 15:26 * OldCoder shrugs 15:26 OldCoder One step at a time. We'll see what develops. 15:26 Taoki that's bad... hope you get it solved 15:26 Taoki sure 15:26 OldCoder I am working on the builds 15:26 Taoki For now, is there any other origin of minetest that's actually a bit active? 15:26 OldCoder If you are patient you will see your stuff soon 15:27 OldCoder Taoki, Several people have forks. But I am actually putting them online live. 15:27 Jordach Taoki, there is no active part of minetest# 15:27 RealBadAngel folks are on hold because c55 is away 15:28 Jordach also, once all the patches are done: we add to the OldCoder fork 15:30 RealBadAngel somethin to chill out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tb3Ax7Nt7o :) 15:32 Calinou GANGNAM STYLE 15:32 Calinou OP OP OP OP OP 15:33 Jordach FFS 15:33 Jordach drop gangham style 15:34 Jordach or i leave the channel 15:34 Calinou http://tinyurl.com/openal :D 15:35 Calinou if anyone needs to link to openal 15:35 thexyz Jordach: don't you like it? 15:36 * PilzAdam is back 15:36 Calinou wb pills 15:36 Calinou :p 15:47 Octupus hi szden 15:47 OldCoder Calinou, see PM. Others: I added cornernote node ownership after surveying people. Octupus prefers randomproof version. Do others like one or the other? 15:48 OldCoder http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=846 15:48 OldCoder ^ randomproof version 15:50 Octupus hi m13 15:51 M13 hi 15:54 Taoki OldCoder: Is there a list of all the mods and codes and patches you will be adding to your GIT remote once it will be up (what we'll find there)? 15:54 Taoki I'm curious :) 15:56 Taoki RealBadAngel, OldCoder: Also, before taking a decision, make sure to poke celeron55_ here on IRC to see if he does respond. He is online, and can be found in #minetest-delta. Maybe someone can convince him to give write access to more people on his remote 15:56 OldCoder Taoki, not just a list; everything will be linked online automatically 15:56 Taoki oh, nice! 15:56 RealBadAngel vanessae did 15:56 OldCoder Taoki, C55 will be happier if I approach him carefully 15:56 OldCoder Taoki, here is a list now: 15:57 Taoki ok 15:57 OldCoder Not linked yet but it will be: 15:57 OldCoder http://minetest.org/ 15:57 OldCoder That is just the mods 15:57 OldCoder What I will do is this: 15:57 OldCoder When the software is rebuilt, all the mods will be automatically linked and the source code for the server plus the patches will appear automatically 15:57 M13 um OldCoderr does ur box have a floppy? 15:58 M13 zdrive 15:58 OldCoder I use my own versions of the mods. My versions will be linked. 15:58 RealBadAngel lol 15:58 OldCoder M13, if you count virtual boxes yes 15:58 M13 o ok 15:58 RealBadAngel no floppy, just a tape recorder ;) 15:58 OldCoder ha 15:58 M13 Try My Flavor of kolibri 15:58 Taoki OldCoder: So a program will take the source codes of all patches out there and automatically integrate them? 15:59 Taoki I imagine contributors need to know where to post them though. Also, a way to make sure only safe patches are added, so trolls don't ruin everything 15:59 Taoki Anyway, BRB 15:59 OldCoder Taoki, not "out there". They are not compatible. I am merging them manually. Your own patch had a .rej. 15:59 Taoki ah, ok 15:59 Taoki sure 15:59 OldCoder M13, what did you do to Kolibri? 15:59 OldCoder Taoki, I am compiling now 16:00 OldCoder New server and anaglyphic clients are en route 16:00 OldCoder allow time 16:00 Taoki OldCoder: I'm going for a bit. But when it's ready please poke me and give me a link as well, I'd like to see 16:00 OldCoder Taoki, all right 16:07 RealBadAngel just a thought, could some1 make use of GLSL shaders? 16:07 Octupus hm this jailbreak is taking longer than usual 16:08 Octupus :l 16:08 Calinou loljailbreak 16:08 Calinou too bad, you have an apple product 16:08 OldCoder Octupus, you will escape the jail! 16:08 Calinou btw: jailbreaks ARE illegal, they're copyright infringement 16:08 OldCoder Bullshit 16:09 OldCoder No offense intended 16:09 OldCoder <--- Views have evolved 16:09 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kubT9_IiCmo 16:09 OldCoder They are no such thing 16:09 OldCoder Escape the jail! 16:10 Octupus YES i Will :D 16:10 Dacicus Hello. I'm using Minetest 0.4.3 on Win7. Is there some way to determine my current coordinates in the game world? 16:10 Octupus id care if its illegal anyways 16:12 thexyz Calinou: how can jailbreak be copyright infringement? 16:15 Octupus lalalala stupid hackulous 16:15 Octupus packages take so long :l 16:15 PilzAdam Dacicus, press F5 16:15 RealBadAngel Dacicus, press F5 16:15 PilzAdam lol 16:15 RealBadAngel hhehehe 16:16 thexyz well, hackulous thing IS illegal 16:16 Octupus i dont care actually 16:16 Octupus they cant charge me :) 16:17 thexyz i don't understand people who mess with jailbreak instead of paying 0.99$ 16:17 Octupus apps are way over priced 16:17 thexyz 0.99 is overpriced? 16:17 Octupus Yes 16:17 * PilzAdam downloads RoR 16:18 thexyz Octupus: where are you from? 16:18 Octupus for the shitty quality it gives u 16:18 Calinou thexyz: decompiling code, modifying it, recompiling it, distributing it 16:18 Calinou all these are disallowed 16:18 Calinou do you know: some commercial software licenses disallow TRANSLATING? 16:18 RealBadAngel how much do you pay for a snickers? 16:18 Octupus my parents say not to give persol information XD 16:18 Dacicus PilzAdam, RealBadAngel: Thanks! 16:18 thexyz Calinou: you don't decompile anything when you do jailbreak 16:18 Calinou Dacicus: F5 and see top left of screen 16:18 PilzAdam Dacicus, you are welcome 16:18 Calinou the Y (second) coordinate being altitude over sea 16:19 Calinou or under :P 16:19 Calinou thexyz: then RAM hax 16:19 Calinou still, distributing it is illegal 16:19 thexyz well, using != distributing 16:19 OldCoder U.S. servers going down briefly 16:19 OldCoder And licenses are licenses; not laws 16:20 OldCoder Has anybody commented on the node ownership issue above? 16:20 thexyz Octupus: how old are you? 16:23 Muadtralk im assuming 12-21 16:23 Muadtralk living somewhere in the swouthern part of the USA 16:23 Muadtralk am i right octupus? 16:23 thexyz Cayman Islands 16:24 thexyz i guess 16:24 OldCoder U.S. servers are restarted. Indicate odd problems if any. 16:24 OldCoder Calinou, spawnpoint changed as you wished and default privs too 16:30 * Jordach read servers are restarted as retarded 16:31 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wtcWuJecJA&feature=relmfu 16:31 OldCoder huh 16:32 Jordach http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=48342#p48342 IRONY 16:32 Jordach envoyxiphos griefed LM's server 16:32 OldCoder i wish he had not 16:32 OldCoder is Envoy around/ 16:32 OldCoder please ask him not to do this 16:32 Jordach OldCoder, i call that somewhat a irony 16:32 OldCoder Yes 16:32 OldCoder Indeed 16:32 OldCoder But not the point, is it? 16:32 Jordach OldCoder, dunno what to do 16:32 OldCoder Griefwar will not help 16:33 OldCoder Nothing I guess 16:33 OldCoder But tell Envoy 16:33 Jordach he probably knows its his fault 16:33 Jordach "Anyhow removed lava with a abm so its clean. We got constant map backups people so its safe to come and play with us :)" 16:33 OldCoder I have overlooked some things I have heard about Envoy before 16:33 OldCoder And given him a world 16:33 OldCoder Focus on your own world Envoy 16:33 OldCoder Jordach and others: Is that fair? 16:34 OldCoder Somebody 16:34 OldCoder Pass that message on to him 16:34 OldCoder He wants to keep op in his world 16:34 OldCoder Work there 16:34 OldCoder If LM sees the above please note it: We do not encourage griefing of any kind 16:35 OldCoder Except in griefworlds where it is the standard 16:35 Octupus MuadTralk u are correct 16:35 Octupus thexyz u are also correct 16:35 RealBadAngel a bit more of GLSL shaders http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njKdLvmBl88 16:36 iqualfragile have they updated it? 16:39 RealBadAngel combination of all of those effects is simply amazing 16:39 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raR9kd0fGuY&feature=related 16:40 FreeFull I prefer to write my fragment shaders to display procedural stuff rather than for doing stuff with 3D stuff 16:40 FreeFull So I have two triangles covering the screen 16:40 FreeFull And just draw on that with the fragment shader 16:41 FreeFull RealBadAngel: Apparently photorealism means everything is dark? 16:42 RealBadAngel lol 16:42 RealBadAngel it means stone is not white as in many texture packs :) 16:44 FreeFull Seriously, everything in that video is either super bright or super dark 16:44 RealBadAngel seen many that made caves looks brighter than surface 16:44 FreeFull That's not what reality looks like =P 16:44 RealBadAngel video wasnt bout the texture pack 16:45 RealBadAngel it was bout the effects that in our reach 16:46 RealBadAngel if you dont like watchin MC videos, try this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPf0FL4JOLE 16:47 FreeFull I didn't notice any effects other than the wobbly water then 16:47 FreeFull If everything else was the texture pack =p 16:48 FreeFull RealBadAngel: That last video looks incredibly 2004ish 16:48 RealBadAngel sure 16:48 RealBadAngel then minetest looks stoneage then 16:49 FreeFull Have you seen what can be done in realtime with today's computers? 16:49 RealBadAngel of course 16:49 Octupus i just showed my friend how to get illegal songs :) 16:49 RealBadAngel im talkin bout simple effects provided by the engine 16:50 RealBadAngel and not used by the game 16:52 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nvNxlC3efg&list=LPm-DsG2T7rnY&index=11&feature=plcp 16:53 RealBadAngel even lua scripted lol 16:53 FreeFull It looks like old nvidia demos 16:53 thexyz Octupus: watch_out_we_got_a_badass_over_here.xcf 16:53 FreeFull Well, the old nvidia demos actually looked better 16:54 Octupus ? 16:54 thexyz FreeFull: who cares about graphics nowadays? 16:54 Octupus who 16:54 RealBadAngel yes, but i dont understand your sarcasm 16:54 RealBadAngel it is minetest gfx engine 16:54 thexyz gameplay > graphics, period 16:55 RealBadAngel now take ur flat players image and compare to it 16:55 RealBadAngel engine allows a lot more than the game uses 16:56 FreeFull I honestly think something like delver looks better 16:57 RealBadAngel delver? 16:57 OldCoder Muadtralk, wb 16:58 OldCoder I am building new Windows clients to test Taoki change 16:59 iqualfragile i dont like github… 16:59 iqualfragile nah, well, github isnt that bad 16:59 iqualfragile but i dislike git 17:00 iqualfragile hg is much better 17:00 RealBadAngel FreeFull, you may find this interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDOmiCB09Hk&feature=related 17:01 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, i want it other way round: my world should be created in RL 17:03 Octupus thexyz,watch_out_we_got_a_badass_over_here.xcf <i dont understand that 17:05 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFKlNskaRPU&feature=related 17:06 thexyz Octupus: =( 17:06 RealBadAngel then let some1 make mt look like this 17:06 Jordach People: Xubuntu, Lubuntu OR Kubuntu? 17:07 thexyz Jordach: gentoo 17:07 Jordach ^ fuck off 17:07 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, first look like terasology 17:07 thexyz Jordach: well, then ubuntu 17:07 MilanFIN Jordach: Xubuntu, if no multicore computer ->Lubuntu 17:07 Jordach MilanFIN, i have a p4 with hyperthreads 17:07 thexyz and then install (x|l|k)ubuntu-desktop 17:07 thexyz or whatever it's called 17:08 * Jordach does not want to login to interfaces 17:08 MilanFIN you don't want ubuntu 17:08 * MilanFIN hates Unity 17:08 Jordach no. but a deriv* is fine 17:08 thexyz i don't understand people who create new distribution while only change is DE 17:08 thexyz i neither understand people who use it 17:08 Jordach Debian -> Ubuntu 17:09 Jordach Ubuntu -> SO GOD DAMN MANY 17:09 thexyz but there's no need in kubuntu/lubuntu/xubuntu/etc 17:09 Jordach OldCoder, Kubuntu, Xubuntu or Lubuntu 17:09 MilanFIN ubuntu is bad choose anyway, 17:09 MilanFIN mean any *Buntu 17:10 MilanFIN cause they dropped oss support :/ 17:10 thexyz i also don't understand people who install non-supported shit used by 10 people 17:10 Jordach 6 eg: minetest 17:10 Jordach s/6/^ 17:12 OldCoder Jordach, I lean towards Mint. But I feel KDE is on its way out. 17:13 OldCoder So not Kubuntu IIRC 17:13 Muadtralk Razor-qt anyone? 17:13 Jordach OldCoder, i HATE GNOME 3 17:15 * Jordach uses a 22gb partiton for Linux 17:15 * PilzAdam uses 19 GiB 17:15 Jordach Wubi.exe: Y U DOWNLOAD AMD64 ON A 32BIT SYSTEM 17:16 PilzAdam BECAUSE U SLECTED IT? 17:16 Jordach no. 17:16 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/g0AMG.png 17:17 PilzAdam AMD64 is the new standard; you have to select x32 yourself 17:17 thexyz well, i use ~17gb partition only for swap.. 17:18 Calinou lol thexyz 17:18 thexyz Muadtralk: nope 17:18 Calinou just use 1GB or so 17:18 Calinou who the fuck uses suspend to disk 17:18 Calinou <MilanFIN> Jordach: Xubuntu, if no multicore computer ->Lubuntu 17:18 Calinou debian > all 17:18 Calinou (especially testing) 17:18 OldCoder Hi 17:18 Calinou DISTRO WAR STARTED 17:18 OldCoder Jordach, Then MATE is the answer 17:18 PilzAdam Kubunut ftw! 17:18 thexyz +1 for mate 17:18 OldCoder I do not wish GNOME 3 either 17:18 OldCoder Jordach, MINT is INTeresting 17:18 thexyz ubuntu users can't even speak their distro name correctly 17:18 Calinou xfce :D 17:18 PilzAdam </distro war> 17:19 Calinou mate is cool too, but slower 17:19 thexyz xfce is featureless 17:19 Calinou who needs feature 17:19 Calinou see gnome 3 17:19 thexyz well, i do 17:19 Calinou features? useless! linus torvalds switched to xfce now 17:19 Calinou still don't understand why xfce isn't default DE for debian now 17:19 Calinou there was a RUMOR 17:19 Calinou <_< 17:19 Calinou lxde is featureless actually 17:20 Calinou "the second worst tends to be the best" as always 8) 17:20 Calinou PilzAdam: ewww KDE 17:20 thexyz that's why i don't use it 17:20 Calinou OldCoder: mint is slow, very slow 17:20 OldCoder Calinou, ty. Why? 17:21 Calinou lots of crapware, more than ubuntu 17:21 Calinou debian is pretty much a crapware-free ubuntu, 15% harder to install 17:21 Calinou :p 17:21 iqualfragile archlinux is basicly package-management 17:21 Calinou and it's made by a non-commercial organization 17:21 Calinou unlike ubuntu 17:21 Octupus im building a bank :D 17:21 iqualfragile and you get to build your own litle linux from that 17:21 Calinou arch is hard :P 17:22 iqualfragile nah, not realy 17:22 iqualfragile as long as you read the news 17:22 iqualfragile otherwise you can destroy your setup 17:22 iqualfragile because sometimes you need to do some manual action before updates 17:23 rubenwardy The blue looks disgusting: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/ 17:24 Calinou iqualfragile: installing it isn't even fun, have to chroot everywhere, there's no installer at all 17:24 Calinou and arch is unstable 17:24 Calinou very 17:24 thexyz Calinou: arch is not gentoo 17:24 Calinou debian testing is mostly stable (more stable than ubuntu at least :P) 17:24 thexyz you don't need to chroot anywere 17:24 OldCoder I built my own Linux. Problem solved. 17:24 Calinou beginners' guide requires you to chroot once :P 17:24 Calinou OldCoder: RebeccaBlackOS? 17:24 Calinou we need PsyOS now... 17:24 iqualfragile calinou: have you actualy tried installing arch? 17:24 iqualfragile it has an installer 17:25 iqualfragile and you only need to chroot 3 times in gentoo 17:28 Calinou iqualfragile: yes, in virtualbox 17:28 Calinou the partitioning is FUN 17:28 thexyz iqualfragile: afaik, it has no installer now 17:28 Calinou harshlinux removed their installer 17:28 Calinou "Hi. We Know everyone uses Vim here. Thats good. Now I removed installer. Bai." 17:28 Calinou ~arch devs 17:29 thexyz Calinou: did you try gentoo? 17:29 Calinou no 17:29 iqualfragile i dont see the problem… 17:29 cosarara97 No installer -> more fun 17:31 Calinou it isn't fun to spend time reading manpages 17:31 cosarara97 it's boring when a program does everything for you, if that everything is not an easy and long thing 17:31 Calinou manpages suck enough already 17:31 cosarara97 I don't remember having to read lots of manpages (installed arch like 2 weeks ago) 17:31 cosarara97 maybe 3 or 4 weeks, actually 17:32 cosarara97 everything is explained in the wiki, it's an easy process 17:34 Calinou and it doesn't work for me as every single process on the internet :> 17:34 Calinou making the system actually usable is fun too </sarcasm> 17:34 Calinou second reason I hate arch 17:34 iqualfragile hmm… 17:34 cosarara97 I think it IS fun 17:34 iqualfragile it realy is easy 17:47 Jordach oh fuck.DISTRO WAR 17:48 cosarara97 it stopped already, I think 17:48 PilzAdam so no Kubuntu ftw anymore? 17:49 Jordach +1 17:49 * Jordach is getting Kubuntu 17:49 iqualfragile windows ftw! 17:49 Jordach i also agree qith iqualfragile 17:49 Jordach i cant use linux for everyday since i have grown up with Windows 17:50 FreeFull I have grown up with MS-DOS 17:51 PilzAdam i also grew up with window$, but i learned how to use linux and now i can use every (relevant) OS 17:51 OldCoder MS-DOS heh 17:51 OldCoder No distro war 17:51 OldCoder To each their own 17:51 OldCoder Even DOS and Windows 17:52 FreeFull =P 17:52 iqualfragile darwin ftw! 17:52 thexyz Jordach: why can't you? 17:53 Jordach Kubuntu has no 600mb isos 17:54 thexyz is your internet connection such shitty? 17:54 OldCoder netinstalls are smalls 17:54 OldCoder at first 17:55 Jordach thexyz, if i can sit a 16gb torrent then yes 17:55 Jordach i just want something to fir a normal cd-rw 17:55 Jordach s/fir/fit 17:55 thexyz nobody uses CDs now 17:55 thexyz if you need something to boot from use USB stick 17:56 Muadtralk or external hard drive or floppy disk 17:56 Muadtralk or something 17:56 Jordach my tower is an acer so no usb boot 17:56 thexyz how so? 17:56 Jordach 2006 17:56 thexyz what motherboard model is it? 17:59 Jordach SiS 661GX 18:00 OldCoder <Calinou> OldCoder: RebeccaBlackOS? 18:00 OldCoder Not familiar with it 18:01 thexyz Jordach: that's not a motherboard model 18:02 Jordach http://paste.ubuntu.com/1292912/ 18:04 Jordach Acer E661GXM (Socket 775) 48 °C 18:04 OldCoder Jordach, do your apple trees work now? 18:04 Jordach dunno 18:04 Jordach link me the build 18:05 thexyz Jordach: well, at least I can say thanks for your serial number 18:05 OldCoder Jordach, wait a minute. New Windows client being set up right now. 18:05 Jordach thexyz, registered 18:05 Jordach also from the OEM disk 18:05 Taoki back 18:05 cosarara97 hi 18:06 Calinou nice AV you have the Jordach 18:06 Taoki OldCoder: Fun fun. Will you only be making Windoes binaries? I imagine you don't have Linux as well then 18:06 Jordach OldCoder runs linux 18:06 Jordach SHITSICLES 18:06 cosarara97 Who wants linux binaries? Linux users are intelligent :D 18:06 Taoki oh nice :) 18:06 OldCoder Taoki, I have my own Linux distro :-) 18:06 Taoki eh... some are noobs like me :P 18:07 OldCoder Taoki, I will certainly be building Linux clients 18:07 Taoki own linux distro? 18:07 OldCoder Sure 18:07 OldCoder One moment 18:07 cosarara97 Taoki: Don't you want to learn compiling programs? 18:07 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/distro/ssdistro/ssdistrogames.html 18:07 OldCoder Screenshots 18:07 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/distro/distrohistory.html 18:07 OldCoder History 18:07 OldCoder 18:07 Taoki cosarara97: I do, I already compile MT from GIT. But compiling can be hard to set up and often problematic 18:08 Taoki Especially on Windows, on Linux is better but still 18:08 OldCoder Jordach, Windows clients in a minute or so 18:08 Jordach sweet 18:08 Taoki and nice! 18:09 Calinou <cosarara97> Who wants linux binaries? Linux users are intelligent :D 18:09 Calinou ubuntu users are not 18:09 Calinou most of them don't know how to run MC because they can't chmod +x minecraft.jar 18:09 Calinou :P 18:09 cosarara97 ok, true 18:09 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html 18:10 OldCoder Jordach and others: See section 3.2 for new Windows clients 18:10 OldCoder There is a 30MB ZIP file. This is recommended and will load much faster 18:10 OldCoder There is a 10MB ZIP file if you prefer but it will load much slower 18:10 OldCoder 18:11 OldCoder Taoki, you can try your feature using that client under Wine 18:11 OldCoder I will be building Linux clients as time proceeds 18:12 Taoki OldCoder: Wow, you really are good at this if you have an own Linux distro that runs off external drives (kinda wanted something like that). Really awesome stuff 18:12 Taoki Sure, I can try that 18:12 Calinou Taoki: unetbootin 18:12 Taoki Would be interesting to see how MT runs on WINE. A lot of Windows games work well on it, even big and modern ones 18:12 Calinou can run any distro on USB or HDD 18:12 Calinou Taoki: it doesn't now iirc 18:12 Calinou it used to do 18:12 OldCoder Taoki, Yes. I have the world on a thumbdrive. 64GB. 18:12 Taoki :) 18:14 thexyz Calinou: it did for me 18:14 thexyz anyway, who'd ever need that? 18:14 Jordach testing apples 18:15 cosarara97 If it didn't work, you could help wine dev's 18:16 Calinou buy crossover(R) 18:16 Calinou useful 18:22 Jordach OldCoder, apple trees generate without bugs 18:22 PilzAdam bye 18:23 Jordach so ive made a engine commit! 18:23 Jordach (if you dont want them: mapgen.lua set MAPGEN_APPLE to leaves or air 18:23 OldCoder Jordach, glad to hear it! 18:24 Jordach bbl - taking girlfriend home 18:24 OldCoder Jordach, don't I already have the commit? 18:24 OldCoder ttyl 18:24 bulletrulz hey 18:25 bulletrulz taoki Theres lnux clients 18:26 cosarara97 clientS? 18:28 bulletrulz linux client 18:28 bulletrulz !? 18:28 cosarara97 well, I think it's the same client 18:28 cosarara97 for windows and for linux 18:28 cosarara97 just different builds 18:28 cosarara97 and different versions 18:29 cosarara97 ok, I said nothing 18:29 bulletrulz yes 18:29 cosarara97 but yes, there are linux build out there 18:30 OldCoder cosarara97, I will be making more 18:30 cosarara97 ? 18:30 OldCoder <cosarara97> but yes, there are linux build out there 18:30 OldCoder <OldCoder> cosarara97, I will be making more 18:30 OldCoder Seems quite clear. Not sure why ? 18:30 OldCoder why "?" * 18:30 bulletrulz yeah lol minetest belongs to linux!!! windows are build unofficial 18:30 OldCoder Yes 18:30 OldCoder But I will make both 18:30 OldCoder just updated Windows now 18:31 cosarara97 I thought you'd be making modified clients, lol 18:31 OldCoder Can anybody tell me how to make a deb that forces installs of dependencies? I can make a deb but it doesn't do that 18:31 OldCoder cosarara97, ?? 18:31 OldCoder Define modified client 18:31 OldCoder I am making clients that have features added 18:31 OldCoder But official client seems to be dead 18:31 OldCoder Therefore 18:31 OldCoder What does modified mean? 18:32 OldCoder If people wish to get the best out of MT they will use my clients or the ones I link to 18:32 cosarara97 With features added counts as modified 18:32 OldCoder Relative to what? Official release appears to be dead. 18:32 rubenwardy grrr, alias recipes in furnaces appear not to work 18:32 OldCoder I mean no offense to anybody 18:32 cosarara97 I didn't consider it dead, but I guess it makes sense 18:33 cosarara97 Will you add 3d player in your fork? 18:34 OldCoder cosarara97, Actually one person with 3D players asked me to remove them last night 18:34 OldCoder From his code base 18:34 OldCoder Apparently his approach doesn't work under Windows 18:35 OldCoder cosarara97, are you aware of multiple 3D implentations? 18:35 OldCoder Direct me to them if so 18:35 cosarara97 I'm not 18:35 cosarara97 But I thought 3d player in minetes++ would work under windows 18:35 cosarara97 minetest 18:35 cosarara97 * 18:35 OldCoder Which 3D player? 18:35 OldCoder Where is the code? 18:36 cosarara97 Do you remember there was a fork called minetest++? 18:36 OldCoder No 18:36 cosarara97 ok, one moment 18:36 OldCoder I am not familiar with it 18:36 OldCoder Wait 18:36 OldCoder Is that the code that M13 took for his fork? 18:36 iqualfragile https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/minetest 18:36 OldCoder If so he indicates it is not presently Windows compatible 18:36 OldCoder We'll need to ask them 18:37 OldCoder Jordan is Jordach; is this correct? 18:37 OldCoder If so, he has just left 18:38 cosarara97 I think it's this one https://github.com/lkjoel/MinetestPP 18:38 OldCoder O.K. I think it's more important ATM to give each player his or her own avatar... 18:38 OldCoder The code to set avatar appears to be in content_sao.cpp 18:38 OldCoder Grep for player.png 18:39 OldCoder If anybody can tell me how to get the player nick at that level 18:39 OldCoder I'll attempt the change 18:39 rubenwardy Spoiler: Popcorn and Milkshakes next in the Food Mod 18:40 cosarara97 jordan4ibanez and Jordach are different people 18:44 OldCoder k ty 18:44 cosarara97 latest version is here: https://github.com/MiJyn/BlockPlanet-old (the fork was renamed to Blockplaned, and then they moved to java, this is the latest c++ code) 18:44 OldCoder cosarara97, I have been told the player does not Windows well and that it is unattractive. Review if you wish and let me know about these two points. 18:44 OldCoder I will be back in a few minutes 18:51 bulletrulz heaven above you theres hell above me! 18:52 Octupus gtg 18:52 bulletrulz bye Octupus 18:54 OldCoder Back 18:59 bulletrulz hi OldCoder 19:01 OldCoder bulletrulz, hi 19:01 cosarara97 gtg 19:01 bulletrulz how u doing? 19:01 OldCoder k 19:02 * cosarara97 is afk 19:05 bulletrulz some people are really stubbern they get linux anti virus 19:16 OldCoder bulletrulz, Ha 19:16 bulletrulz ikr 19:16 OldCoder The primary malware on Linux is browser addons 19:16 OldCoder That is an issue everywhere 19:37 iqualfragile the primary malware on windows is 19:37 iqualfragile wait for it 19:37 iqualfragile windows! 19:41 bulletrulz YEP 19:41 bulletrulz LOL 19:42 MiJyn <OldCoder> The primary malware on Linux is browser addons 19:42 MiJyn umm 19:42 iqualfragile there is a (official) backdoor in win8 19:42 MiJyn somewhat 19:42 iqualfragile mijyn: what happened to your minetest-fork? 19:42 OldCoder Hi 19:42 iqualfragile hi 19:43 MiJyn iqualfragile, we just decided to end it because of a terrible base (i.e. minetest) 19:43 iqualfragile would you recommend using some of the code you created for minetest? 19:43 iqualfragile and: why is the base horrible? 19:45 MiJyn iqualfragile, anything 19:45 MiJyn anything there is great for minetest (as long as you port it, of course) 19:45 MiJyn it's just so terribly oranized 19:46 MiJyn *organized 19:46 hmmmm the worst part about the organization is that the code is so expansive it's just about imposssible to fix it without starting from scratch 19:46 hmmmm i tried to fix the_game() but i failed 19:46 hmmmm it was just too big 19:46 MiJyn hmmmm, yep, that's the problem 19:46 MiJyn I did start again 19:47 MiJyn (making a new game like minetest) 19:47 hmmmm what's the project called? 19:48 iqualfragile blockscape? 19:48 MiJyn iqualfragile, blockplanet 19:48 hmmmm oh you're the blockplanet people 19:48 iqualfragile is there a webisite? 19:48 hmmmm wasn't that java? 19:48 MiJyn hmmmm, yeah, Java 19:49 MiJyn iqualfragile, none for the Java version 19:49 hmmmm maybe you could've succeeded from an organizational standpoint but the only advantage blockplanet would have over minecraft would be that it's free 19:50 MiJyn yeah 19:50 MiJyn exactly 19:50 MiJyn that's sort of why we stopped 19:50 MiJyn (another reason is that I wanted to make a better game, like an adventure game or at least a FPS) 19:51 iqualfragile not ANOTHER one 19:51 hmmmm celeron isn't making many changes to minetest anymore and it's basically up to us to move minetest forward so there's a real chance to clean out some of the worst parts of minetest 19:51 MiJyn iqualfragile, umm... what....? 19:51 hmmmm i'll try again with the_game some time later, i just need more focus 19:52 MiJyn hmmmm, here is one problem: 19:52 MiJyn I tried to do that 19:52 MiJyn I did clean up some parts 19:52 hmmmm what in particular? 19:52 MiJyn guess how open c55 was to them 19:52 iqualfragile does not matter 19:52 MiJyn well, I tried to work on content_cao (I think) 19:52 iqualfragile we will start a common commuity-repos 19:52 MiJyn got a _really_ cool API there 19:52 hmmmm yeah, he's very difficult to work with also i found him to be useless for answering questions 19:52 MiJyn hey, I got an idea: why don't we just start from scratch? Irrlicht is such a terrible engine 19:52 hmmmm why? 19:53 hmmmm what's wrong with irrlicht 19:53 hmmmm i'll agree that the choice wasn't the best but it's too late now and irrlicht isn't the worst you can do 19:54 MiJyn hmmmm, with all the memory leaks? 19:54 MiJyn what about just pure OpenGL? 19:55 iqualfragile there are memleaks? they never occured to me… 19:55 hmmmm i wasn't aware irrlicht had memory leaks 19:55 hmmmm pure OpenGL would be fine, but you'd inevitably spend a lot more time recreating a 3d engine from scratch 19:55 iqualfragile jup 19:55 hmmmm to be completely honest, rendering speed isn't much of a problem (to me, anyway) 19:55 MiJyn hmmmm, ever read my 3D FPS in java tutorial? 19:55 hmmmm no 19:56 iqualfragile eew, java 19:56 hmmmm yeah, hah :) java does have its problems and it's not my first choice for a game 19:56 MiJyn whatever, it shows how to make one with OpenGL 19:56 MiJyn you can easily port that to C++ 19:57 hmmmm servlets are strangly pretty okay and java is pretty good for simple data retrieval applications 19:57 MiJyn yeah 19:57 hmmmm but 19:57 hmmmm i wouldn't go doing games in java 19:57 MiJyn it's like an example language 19:57 hmmmm i guess 19:57 MiJyn very easy to port anything from/to it 19:57 MiJyn plus, it has the best graphics API I ever sayw 19:57 MiJyn *saw 19:58 hmmmm but anyway, the problem with all these "start from scratch" sort of things is that it causes lots of fragmentation and there's never enough momentum behind them for it to succeed 19:58 MiJyn exaclty 19:58 MiJyn *exactly 19:58 hmmmm i think we'd have more luck with cleaning out minetest 19:58 MiJyn and that's one of the reasons why BlockPlanet ended 19:58 hmmmm c55 is not very helpful with answering questions either 19:59 bulletrulz Too Be honest Minetest is preety much dead now! 19:59 hmmmm he doesn't even know how much of his code works 19:59 MiJyn yeah, he banned me because I asked too many questions (useful ones, actually) 19:59 MiJyn lol 19:59 hmmmm he banned you? ouch 19:59 hmmmm he didn't ban me, but he clearly doesn't like me, probably because i called him out on some shit 19:59 hmmmm meh that's fine 19:59 MiJyn hmmmm, yep 20:00 hmmmm he didn't come up with the perlin noise code on his own :p 20:00 bulletrulz c55 has Giving up On Minetest! 20:00 MiJyn hmmmm, yeah, that was the only part of the code that was actually smart... and he didn't make it lol 20:00 hmmmm i think it's either from decompiled minecraft or c-raft (which ultimately sources it from minecraft) 20:00 MiJyn yeah 20:00 hmmmm i disagree, it's not smart at all 20:00 hmmmm it sucked 20:01 hmmmm i spent like two weeks clearing it out 20:01 MiJyn he didn't even do the voxel engine 20:01 hmmmm super fast now 20:01 hmmmm he didn't? 20:01 hmmmm hm 20:01 MiJyn hmmmm, I don't think so 20:01 hmmmm the thing that tipped me off was easeCurve() 20:01 hmmmm i was wondering where on earth he got that polynomial it used from 20:01 hmmmm it seemed so random 20:01 hmmmm and then i stumbled upon it while i was checking out how minecraft does biomes 20:02 MiJyn http://www.volumesoffun.com/polyvox-about/? 20:02 hmmmm another thing that looks like it originated from decompiled java is the cave generation 20:02 hmmmm because of the java-decompiler-ish undescriptive variable names 20:02 bulletrulz R.I.P minetest 2010-2012 20:03 hmmmm dude bulletrulez, we get it 20:03 bulletrulz lol 20:05 hmmmm wow, I really did think that celeron came up with the voxel engine 20:05 hmmmm guess not 20:06 MiJyn yeah, and then when c55 hears of us talking about him like this he will ban us lol 20:06 hmmmm right now i'd have a lot more respect for him if he mentioned where this stuff was sourced 20:06 hmmmm i don't think he cares tbh or he's not around enough 20:07 iqualfragile there are automatic logs written 20:07 hmmmm there are lots of logs though :)... they're never read 20:10 bulletrulz MiJyn, acctully we have free speach 20:10 bulletrulz lol THIS IS AMERICA DAMMIT 20:10 iqualfragile and c55 has oz 20:10 iqualfragile no, it is not 20:10 hmmmm this is SPARTA! 20:10 iqualfragile and you dont realy have free speach in america 20:10 iqualfragile s/oz/op 20:10 hmmmm actually, he lives in sweden iirc 20:11 bulletrulz well i live in america 20:11 bulletrulz lol 20:11 iqualfragile why do z and p have to be directly adjacent? 20:11 bulletrulz lol 20:13 iqualfragile that was no joke 20:51 cosarara97 OldCoder: are you here? 20:52 OldCoder cosarara97, yes 20:53 cosarara97 Well, it seems I cannot test blockplanet (minetest++) from windows in this computer, because in windows it runs like at 1 frame every 5 secconds 20:53 cosarara97 wine, I mean 20:53 OldCoder cosarara97, on the phone but off soon 20:53 cosarara97 ok 20:58 NakedFury hello 21:02 cosarara97 hello 21:05 OldCoder cosarara97, Yes 21:06 OldCoder cosarara97, I don't do much with Windows. Do other OpenGL programs work for you? 21:06 cosarara97 I'm using wine, not windows 21:06 cosarara97 I don't know about other opengl programs, never tried 21:06 OldCoder cosarara97, Ah 21:06 cosarara97 in wine, I mean 21:06 OldCoder cosarara97, What is your distro again? 21:07 cosarara97 arch linux 21:07 OldCoder cosarara97, you built blockplanet? Give me the tarball or git clone link 21:08 cosarara97 I didn't build it (well, I did when it came out), I downloaded it from sfan5's builds: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/ 21:08 OldCoder cosarara97, find me the source link and I'll try building it 21:09 cosarara97 https://github.com/MiJyn/BlockPlanet-old 21:09 OldCoder cosarara97, will attempt to build in a few minutes 21:09 OldCoder back on phone briefly 21:28 OldCoder cosarara97, that is a MT fork. Please try the MT Windows client I linked earlier. Tell me if you have the FPS problem with that. 21:28 OldCoder If not the problem with blockplus may be correctable. 21:29 OldCoder 21:29 cosarara97 I was trying if the 3d player ran fine on wine, that's why I used that fork 21:29 OldCoder Quiet here for a Saturday 21:29 OldCoder cosarara97, it may be the Windows problem I mentioned 21:30 OldCoder If the issue is the 3D player I don't think I'll spend the time to build it 21:30 OldCoder Because I've been told about the issue before 21:30 OldCoder It apparently does not work well and it's been said the character doesn't look that good 21:31 OldCoder I'd rather work on giving each player their own character 21:31 Jordach OldCoder, jordan4ibanez is T_A_N_K 21:31 Jordach thats not me 21:31 OldCoder Jordach, thank you 21:31 OldCoder and glad to hear that apples work 21:32 OldCoder Jordach, do you know much about debs? 21:32 Jordach me? nop. 21:32 OldCoder k 21:32 Jordach nope.* 21:32 OldCoder I wish to build debs that will force install of dependencies 21:32 OldCoder That will apparently need more research 21:32 OldCoder VE might now but she'll be pretty busy for a while 21:32 OldCoder *know 21:49 Jordach OldCoder, why does your conf have the arrow keys as the moving keys? 21:50 OldCoder Jordach, because most people who play the games I'm accustomed to use arrows. But it is trivial to change. Just press Escape and go to the Settings page. 21:51 RealBadAngel ? 21:51 OldCoder RealBadAngel, key bindings 21:51 OldCoder RealBadAngel, hi 21:51 RealBadAngel wasd is the standard 21:51 OldCoder RealBadAngel, New Windows clients with anaglyphic support added 21:51 OldCoder RealBadAngel, for the official version 21:51 OldCoder I am all radical! ;p 21:51 RealBadAngel no, like all FPS games 21:51 OldCoder Oh? 21:51 OldCoder Tell me more 21:51 Jordach OldCoder, now we need changable anaglyph colours 21:51 RealBadAngel rly 21:52 OldCoder Jordach, all right 21:52 OldCoder RealBadAngel, I believe you 21:52 OldCoder RealBadAngel, I was not being sarcastic 21:52 Jordach i have yellow and dark blue 3d glasses 21:52 OldCoder RealBadAngel, explain further please 21:52 RealBadAngel look at it from this point 21:52 OldCoder Jordach, We can probably adjust colors. Remind me in the future. 21:52 RealBadAngel wasd is for the left hand 21:52 RealBadAngel mouse right 21:53 OldCoder RealBadAngel, my wrist hurts just thinking about that 21:53 OldCoder But let's talk soon about iti 21:53 OldCoder *it 21:53 RealBadAngel it would be at least not comfortable to use arrows with left and mouse with right 21:53 OldCoder ? 21:53 OldCoder Reading that again 21:53 RealBadAngel hands would be to close to each other 21:53 Jordach RealBadAngel, we do not play Doom 21:53 RealBadAngel both on the right side of the keyboard 21:53 OldCoder RealBadAngel, I am not entirely well; seriously. So my problem. But I don't understand the following: 21:53 Jordach RealBadAngel, yep, un confortable 21:53 RealBadAngel jordach, system is the same 21:53 OldCoder <RealBadAngel> it would be at least not comfortable to use arrows with left and mouse with right 21:54 RealBadAngel next line 21:54 OldCoder I use right hand for both 21:54 RealBadAngel at the same time ? :) 21:54 OldCoder Pretty much 21:55 OldCoder Let me gather consensus about the issue 21:55 OldCoder RealBadAngel, But you can change the keys to whatever you wish 21:55 RealBadAngel dunno, maybe im geek, but i do have wasd on the left, mouse on the right 21:55 OldCoder Just press Escape and use the Settings page 21:55 RealBadAngel and it is comfortable for me 21:55 OldCoder All right 21:55 OldCoder Press Escape and use the Settings page 21:55 RealBadAngel sure, treat it as offtopic please 21:56 OldCoder Hmm? 21:56 OldCoder This seems on-topic 21:56 OldCoder Oh 21:56 OldCoder Doom? 21:56 OldCoder It is part of FPS 21:56 OldCoder Which is a related universe 21:56 RealBadAngel yeah, but i wouldnt like to force anythin such trivial as this 21:57 OldCoder Folks I have an errand to address. Back later. RealBadAngel tell people of your ice stairs. 21:57 OldCoder RealBadAngel, any concern is worth addressing 21:57 RealBadAngel if theres way to set it up to every1 likeing 21:57 OldCoder I will return a bit later 21:57 OldCoder Sure 21:57 OldCoder ttyl 21:58 RealBadAngel on the other hand im kinda suprised to meet some1 never used wasd for movement :) 21:59 RealBadAngel even mortal kombat has this as player 1 keys ;) 22:00 RealBadAngel dont recall now keys for player 2 22:00 RealBadAngel but that was funny indeed two folks using the same keyboard with such a game 22:01 cosarara97 doom is played without a mouse, isn't it? 22:02 RealBadAngel im not sure, not played doom that much 22:02 * Jordach waits for tekkit 22:02 RealBadAngel my fps were duke nukem 3d, quake 1 and then Unreal Tournament 22:03 cosarara97 I like playing games which are not from my age :) 22:03 RealBadAngel i still do play Heroes of Might and Magic III 22:03 RealBadAngel Warcraft 2 22:03 Jordach anyone up for Age of Empires? 22:04 RealBadAngel not me ;) 22:04 cosarara97 I play quake I, which was released before I was born, lol 22:04 RealBadAngel with HoMM3 i won 3rd place in championships 22:04 RealBadAngel in Poland 22:05 RealBadAngel won some stupid game :) 22:05 RealBadAngel later on i played in online league for years 22:06 RealBadAngel toheroes.com i believe 22:06 RealBadAngel that is my nick comes from 22:07 cosarara97 I'm going to bed, good night all 22:07 RealBadAngel cya 22:07 RealBadAngel and im going back to make textures 22:09 NakedFury nice to see RTS fans here 22:11 RealBadAngel some old ideas still rocks 22:11 RealBadAngel and are way better than nowadays games 22:11 Muadtralk which ideas would those be? 22:12 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU 22:12 RealBadAngel watch this 22:13 Muadtralk oh i already saw this 22:13 NakedFury what is it with the unending logos at the start! 22:15 RealBadAngel NakedFury, look at new titles 22:15 RealBadAngel it doesnt remind you something? :) 22:16 NakedFury yes that video is so true 22:17 RealBadAngel new games are SUPERB when comes to gfx 22:17 NakedFury too much hand holding is bad. too many intro logos, games extremely linear and easy, we are also bombarded with DLC crap to milk us 22:17 RealBadAngel but offers a few hours of gameplay 22:17 RealBadAngel and sometimes you have the feeling they are made for idiots 22:18 RealBadAngel more stupid idiot the better 22:18 RealBadAngel its like shit packed in a nice box 22:20 RealBadAngel and here comes the secret of minecraft and the genre success 22:21 Muadtralk I have no mouth and i must scream 22:21 Muadtralk does anyone know what to do after jamming a fork into a airship engine? 22:21 RealBadAngel it simply doesnt have all that shit 22:22 iqualfragile nope 22:22 RealBadAngel look for parachute 22:22 * Jordach concluded that my pc is not ssp capable of tekkit 22:22 Jordach Muadtralk, what have you done this time 22:22 iqualfragile minecrafts secret recipe to success is that every single feature and item in the game was carefully balanced 22:23 Muadtralk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream 22:23 RealBadAngel i know this book. standing here on the shelf 22:24 RealBadAngel my SF library is over 1,5k books 22:24 RealBadAngel im a freak when it comes to SF 22:24 Muadtralk im playing the video game version 22:25 RealBadAngel read the book 22:25 NekoGloop Meow. 22:25 RealBadAngel you wont be dissapointed 22:25 RealBadAngel woof woof 22:25 * NekoGloop hid 22:26 Muadtralk im sure i wont 22:26 iqualfragile per anhalter durch die galaxis ist immernoch die beste trilogie 22:26 Muadtralk how is it i could read that without issue? 22:26 RealBadAngel Hitchhikers quide to the galaxy you mean? 22:27 iqualfragile the hitchhiker guide to the universe 22:27 RealBadAngel 42 rules 22:28 RealBadAngel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy 22:29 Muadtralk no his comment 22:29 Muadtralk i only read english but i immediately knew what that was 22:29 RealBadAngel from this author i can also recommend you this one: The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul 22:31 RealBadAngel i believe that one sf hollywood movie lately was made based on this book 22:31 RealBadAngel something with "Thor" in title 22:32 RealBadAngel but they screwed it totally as usual 22:33 Jordach OldCoder, where can i find the new build 22:33 RealBadAngel from brilliant, even epic sense of humour, excellent dialogues they made tasteless, dark, overloaded with gfx shit 22:35 NekoGloop Miner beware, he will never die... 22:36 RealBadAngel cool, constructor works :) 22:36 RealBadAngel now MK2 and MK3 22:36 Jordach well, night you guys 22:48 OldCoder Back 22:49 OldCoder RealBadAngel, remind me of the WASD key issue at a later point and let me review consensus 22:49 RealBadAngel ok 22:49 NakedFury hi 22:49 NakedFury I use WASD btw 22:50 RealBadAngel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASD 22:51 OldCoder NakedFury, is it a strong preference? 22:51 OldCoder NakedFury, BTW Escape Settings will change the keys as you know 22:51 RealBadAngel its like 20 yrs old tradition 22:52 OldCoder RealBadAngel, ty 22:52 OldCoder I am much older than 20 years :-( 22:52 RealBadAngel since first fps shooters 22:52 OldCoder NakedFury, is it a strong preference? 22:52 OldCoder Need to determine consensus 22:52 NakedFury well I would say its the only way I know how to play pc games with 22:52 OldCoder NakedFury, and most people feel this way? 22:52 NakedFury because games now use the mouse to look having to use the arrows feels weird 22:52 RealBadAngel WASD keys, the most common configuration of arrow keys on a QWERTY keyboard. 22:53 NakedFury the wasd setting is standard movement in most if not all games 22:53 NakedFury shooters use it. adventure games too, even mmorpgs 22:54 RealBadAngel all of them 22:54 NakedFury of course those have point and click too 22:54 RealBadAngel when a game pops up with another system players call it hard to use 22:55 NakedFury I think RTS and turn base games use the arrows too move around 22:55 RealBadAngel i dont even have to look on the keyboard, my left hand knows the right keys on itself 22:56 RealBadAngel its a standard simply 22:57 NakedFury yeah that too. same with console shooting games if you change how it is controlled the people rage about it] 22:58 RealBadAngel remember Gothic? 22:59 RealBadAngel this game has totally different way of controlling your character 22:59 RealBadAngel could took weeks to master it 22:59 NakedFury omg yes 22:59 NakedFury even attacking was a pain 23:01 RealBadAngel but i still liked it 23:01 RealBadAngel gothic series is great 23:01 RealBadAngel and this another one, dont remember its name 23:01 RealBadAngel from the same studios 23:02 RealBadAngel somethin about the island 23:02 NakedFury Dead Island? 23:02 NakedFury tropical island with zombies? 23:02 RealBadAngel no 23:03 RealBadAngel ah 23:03 RealBadAngel got it :) 23:03 RealBadAngel Risen 23:03 OldCoder Ha 23:03 RealBadAngel you start when ship is sunk, and you land on the shore 23:04 RealBadAngel the best creation from piranha bytes i believe 23:05 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMunreeHqhw 23:05 OldCoder Taoki, wb 23:05 RealBadAngel Risen gameplay 23:05 Taoki thanks 23:05 OldCoder Taoki, indicate if the change works 23:05 OldCoder You can try it using Wine 23:06 NakedFury new Risen game btw 23:06 Taoki OldCoder: Ok. If there is a link to download i can try it now 23:06 OldCoder It has been up for hours: 23:06 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html 23:06 OldCoder Get the 30MB Windows 121020 release 23:07 OldCoder Oops 23:07 OldCoder No, that's right 23:07 OldCoder Get the 30MB Windows 121020 release 23:07 OldCoder Taoki, ^ 23:07 OldCoder Taoki, do you have a strong preference for WASD vs. arrow keys? 23:08 Taoki I only use WASD 23:09 OldCoder Taoki, ty 23:09 Taoki got the 32mb version, trying now 23:09 OldCoder Taoki, this copy has arrows by default but just press Escape Settings to change them 23:11 Taoki It started. Really laggy but it works 23:11 OldCoder Where are you located? 23:11 OldCoder Others see no lag 23:11 Taoki Dunno, new world i think 23:11 OldCoder No 23:11 Taoki Likely because of WINE 23:11 OldCoder Your RL country 23:12 Taoki Ah, Romania 23:12 OldCoder Oh 23:12 OldCoder Single player or network? 23:12 Taoki Also, a mod I would like to suggest as well (been waiting for this in MineTest for ages): Workbench mod. With 2 x 2 default inventory grid 23:12 Taoki SP 23:12 OldCoder k 23:12 Taoki it's FPS lag sorry 23:12 OldCoder Taoki noting that 23:12 NekoGloop No 23:12 NakedFury I like your idea taoki 23:12 NekoGloop Not until you figure out how to make the workbench not be retarded. 23:13 Taoki NekoGloop: What's retarded about it now? IIRC it worked well 23:13 OldCoder workbench &= ~RETARDED; 23:13 Taoki OldCoder: Also, anisotropic filtering + mipmaps look even nicer than I thought! Great feature 23:13 NekoGloop You cant take multiples of the same craft from it. 23:13 RealBadAngel workbench idea is reasonable 23:13 NekoGloop Try making two torches without dropping them to the player's inventory. 23:14 Taoki ah, didn't know that. Yeah it's a nasty bug then 23:14 Taoki OldCoder: Pretty hard to test on WINE, freezing quite a lot. If source is included I might try to compile myself from it 23:15 Taoki But for that I'd rather wait you make a GIT 23:15 OldCoder Taoki, all right. I could give you a tarball now if you wished. 23:16 OldCoder And I will rebuild Linux clients too 23:16 OldCoder Taoki, sorry; one more time, what was your distro? 23:16 Taoki OldCoder: If you'll rebuild i can waut until tomorrow 23:16 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISfdCtuHy9g 23:16 OldCoder Taoki, it may take a week or longer to rebuild as things are complicated for me ATM 23:16 OldCoder But we will see 23:16 OldCoder Taoki, sorry; one more time, what was your distro? 23:16 Taoki aah, ok 23:17 Taoki OldCoder: openSUSE 12.2 64bit, KDE 4.8.5 23:18 Taoki OldCoder: In your world, there's a box with an orange player texture on it o.o If I click it a large menu opens 23:18 OldCoder Taoki, have fun... 23:18 OldCoder with Town Test! 23:18 Taoki Town Test? :) 23:18 OldCoder He is faithful but you must feed him 23:18 Taoki Whatisit 23:19 OldCoder He will work for you 23:19 Taoki ahhh 23:19 OldCoder He is your Faithful Servant 23:19 Taoki Sounds like a nice villagers mod 23:19 OldCoder "Yes Sir! What shall I build for you??" 23:19 OldCoder But you must feed him IIRC 23:19 Taoki OldCoder: Not sure if related to the freezes, but I keep getting these: err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x21e008 "?" wait timed out in thread 002c, blocked by 0031, retrying (60 sec) 23:20 OldCoder Hmm 23:20 OldCoder Wine 23:20 OldCoder Yep 23:20 OldCoder You'll need a native Linux build I think 23:20 Taoki yeah the wine build is working horribly for me. But, it was interesting to test 23:20 OldCoder k 23:21 Taoki OldCoder: An observation: mipmaps and / or filtering do not work for hand-held objects it seems. The 1st person item models 23:22 OldCoder Is that truncated? 23:22 OldCoder Noting for Vanessa 23:22 Taoki no, the full message 23:24 RealBadAngel Taoki, filters works only on placed nodes 23:24 RealBadAngel not the inventory items 23:24 Taoki RealBadAngel: That yes. But not on hand-held ones 23:24 Taoki Inventory ones either 23:24 OldCoder What is the resolution? 23:25 Taoki But also not on items or blocks held in the hand 23:25 RealBadAngel yes 23:25 Taoki OldCoder: 1650 x 1080 IIRC (maximized but windowed) 23:25 OldCoder Ha 23:25 OldCoder Sorry 23:25 OldCoder I meant 23:25 OldCoder Is there agreement? 23:25 OldCoder Is this an issue? 23:26 RealBadAngel its not the issue, its just the way it works ;) 23:26 Taoki OldCoder: Well I think fildering should work on hand-held items 23:26 OldCoder I will mention to author 23:26 RealBadAngel c55? :) 23:26 OldCoder Vanessa 23:27 OldCoder Of this patch anyway 23:27 RealBadAngel those two things are not related 23:27 Taoki OldCoder: The config files in the package I'm trying doesn't have the settings for anaglyph stereo. Is the code merged yet? 23:27 OldCoder Her patch added the filters 23:27 OldCoder Taoki, should have been 23:27 OldCoder Checking 23:27 RealBadAngel yes, for the world 23:27 RealBadAngel inventory is just another story 23:27 Taoki ok. Not seeing the settings in minetest.conf so unsure 23:28 Taoki RealBadAngel: It's understandable then. 23:28 OldCoder Taoki, wait 23:28 RealBadAngel world is rendered 23:28 RealBadAngel inventory is just drawn 23:28 Taoki Didn't know that, thought hand-held blocks / items are rendered too 23:28 OldCoder Taoki, I added the settings but must have overwritten the file afterward. Sorry, will be corrected in next version. 23:28 Taoki Would be nice if that were changed 23:29 Taoki OldCoder: NP, glad I found it 23:29 OldCoder Taoki just to be safe indicate the two lines here again though I have them 23:30 Taoki Also: When I mentioned that c55's delays are likely to be starting a fork in #minetest-delta, I got a rather weird response. Getting the feeling there's actually a team here that's sort of upset on everyone or something. Probably wrong but it slightly feels that way 23:30 NekoGloop Taoki: They are, RealBadAngel is, as always, assuming he's right. 23:31 RealBadAngel try to prove im wrong 23:31 Taoki not him 23:31 Octupus hello 23:31 RealBadAngel please go on, i will listen 23:31 Octupus does any1 know the worldedit command to copy a building? 23:31 NekoGloop I meant for the rendering of held items. 23:31 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: They are rendered. Inventory thumbnails are not. 23:32 Taoki All I'm saying is I'm getting the feeling c55 and some people are sort of upset on everyone else. And kinda not liking to hear about community contributions 23:32 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, if they would, they could get filters workin on then 23:32 NekoGloop They can, they just havent yet. 23:32 * Taoki thinks they're being rendered differently at least 23:33 Taoki Since filters like that should be applied to all geometry if it was the case 23:33 RealBadAngel im not sure of this 23:33 NekoGloop Taoki is right. They are rendered seperatly. 23:33 RealBadAngel so sorry then 23:33 Taoki Something relevant: If you press the shortcut to "hide HUD", hand-held objects are hidden too 23:33 Taoki Which I find sort of weird 23:35 RealBadAngel wow, i just made 4x8 glass/marble doors :) 23:35 OldCoder Octupus, you set SE and NW corners 23:35 OldCoder Octupus, with //pos1 and //pos2 23:36 OldCoder Octupus, then //save baconmart 23:36 OldCoder BUT 23:36 OldCoder It does not save meta 23:36 OldCoder Octupus, //savemeta saves meta but there is a bug with that 23:36 OldCoder We need to speak with Uberi 23:36 OldCoder Octupus, If you do not care about meta the commands should work now 23:36 OldCoder Taoki, state the two lines again if you can 23:37 Taoki OldCoder: The settings?> Hold on 23:37 Taoki OldCoder: 23:37 Taoki anaglyph = 0 23:37 Taoki anaglyph_strength = 0.1 23:37 OldCoder Taoki, ty 23:44 Octupus i dont know what u talking about 23:45 Octupus i thought i used //p set first 23:45 Octupus then //save OctuHotel 23:45 Octupus to get it back //load OctuHotel 23:49 OldCoder anunakki, wb 23:49 OldCoder Octupus, it is fine 23:49 OldCoder Octupus, For //p set 23:50 OldCoder How do you specify the corners? 23:51 NekoGloop Punching 23:52 OldCoder Not //pos1 and //pos2 for your? 23:52 OldCoder You? 23:52 OldCoder NekoGloop, which objects are affected by meta? 23:52 NekoGloop Chests, furnaces, signs, and anything in technic. 23:52 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=jsvgufeKPsI&NR=1 23:53 Octupus its punching instead od setting 23:53 Octupus its almost complete actually 23:53 OldCoder I used //pos1 and pos2 23:53 OldCoder Octupus, see above: 23:53 OldCoder <NekoGloop> Chests, furnaces, signs, and anything in technic. 23:53 OldCoder Those will not save