Time Nick Message
00:01 Jordach i just potted the fuckin 8ball
00:03 PilzAdam http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif
00:05 Kacey heh
00:06 Jordach lol
00:06 Jordach Kacey, whos this ninja bloke
00:06 Kacey a person i know
00:08 * Jordach grabs the woodchipper
00:10 PilzAdam bye
00:48 Jordach hey OldCoder
00:48 OldCoder Jordach, Hi
00:52 ch98 Nothing including google says about an error i got
00:53 ch98 can someone help me on it?
00:58 ch98 error says "no match for 'opertor!=' in 'i != std::list<_Tp, _Alloc>::rend() [with _TP = RollbackAction, _Alloc = std::<RollbackAction>]()'
00:59 * Jordach hears ShadowBot's paste detector ticking like a bomb
01:01 ch98 I did not paste it
01:02 Exio [20:51:34] <PilzAdam> maybe try to change the if(a!=b) into if(!(a==b)) if != is not defined
01:03 Jordach thats pretty genius
01:04 ch98 thank you. I will try that
01:05 ch98 whatever that does
01:06 Exio instead of a not equal b
01:06 Exio not (a equal b)
01:07 ch98 original code causing reeoe is..... for(std::list<RollbackAction>::const_reverse_iterator i = m_action_latest_buffer.rbegin(); i != m_action_latest_buffer.rend(); i++)
01:07 ch98 I hope drag and drop is not pasting
01:11 Jordach ch98, thats still pasting
01:11 Jordach any large amount of text typed, moved or pasted is still pasted
01:11 ch98 well, bot didn't seem to detect it
01:12 Jordach ch98, give it around 1min between pastes
01:12 Jordach ShadowBot fails there
01:13 ch98 so i should seperate large sentences to few lines
01:14 Jordach break them up
01:14 Jordach to about 20 words tops over 20 seconds
01:14 Jordach if youre going by 60wpm
01:14 Jordach i can average 120wpm
01:15 ch98 thank you. I will be away for few hours
01:17 xiong Should the client be trying to eat 6 GB of memory in multiplayer?
01:22 khonkhortisan The internet is back on, with no excuse as to its absence.
01:24 khonkhortisan The log didn't record my timeout. How long was I gone?
03:10 SmugLeaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNvYk9oWYfw
03:10 SmugLeaf someone needs to "port" this
03:15 * ShadowNinja would like another user with +Ff
03:16 ShadowNinja (+f doesn't quite do it for some things)
03:16 Exio doens't the|xyz have +f?
03:16 Exio doesn't*
03:16 Exio for what would an "op" need +F?
03:17 Exio SmugLeaf: that mod looks cool
03:18 ShadowNinja Exio: No, only in -dev. I forget what flag I wanted that needed it.
03:18 ShadowNinja * wanted to set
03:18 Exio the only "difference" fwith +F is that "he" can set up all the flags even if he doesn't have it
03:18 Exio (and the drop command, but that doesn't count)
03:33 ch98 is it possible to have someone debug mods made in this computer over irc?
03:34 ch98 becaus it is impossible to run minetest here
03:50 khonkhortisan that would have to be a client mod at that speed, no?
03:53 ch98 what do you mean?
03:54 ch98 dinner
04:09 OnceOver what is a consession?
04:09 khonkhortisan a stand
04:10 OnceOver why would i need a concession to place a block or node?
04:10 khonkhortisan ?
04:10 OnceOver on sfans server
04:10 khonkhortisan A grant of a tract of land made by a government or other controlling authority in return for stipulated services or a promise that the land will be used for a specific purpose.
04:11 OnceOver hmm
04:11 OnceOver so he hates me?
04:11 khonkhortisan If all the land is pre-owned, I wouldn't build there.
04:11 OnceOver lol
04:11 OnceOver i made a ton of stuff there
04:11 OnceOver as of today i need a concession
04:12 khonkhortisan it's possible the mod was newly added
04:12 OnceOver yes
04:12 OnceOver what mod you think?
04:13 OnceOver you must be smart
04:13 OnceOver i like you
04:13 khonkhortisan http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3881
04:14 OnceOver node_ownership
04:14 OnceOver yep i thought that was new
04:14 OnceOver i /mods and it was all i seen that looked new
04:14 khonkhortisan I'd like to be able to fix a mistake in someone's owned area, then have my change go away until they accept it
04:14 OnceOver do you have a server?
04:15 khonkhortisan no, but I could make one locally and have it forwarded
04:15 OnceOver have you done that before?
04:16 khonkhortisan the in-client server list is a little new, so no.
04:16 OnceOver i tried everything i could to make a server and have friends join but didnt happen
04:17 OnceOver my conclusion i use a phones hot spot so i could not open ports
04:17 khonkhortisan You must have the server running, not have your computer's firewall block that destination port UDP/TCP, and have your router forward anything on that port to your computer (instead of anywhere else on the lan)
04:17 khonkhortisan oh
04:17 OnceOver i even tried a few vpn like remobo and such none worked for me
04:18 OnceOver even a regular vpn on my computer with there ip iinternets name and pass
04:18 OnceOver internets name is that ssid whats that stand for you know?
04:19 OnceOver i think id is identification
04:20 khonkhortisan you shouldn't need a local vpn to host a server
04:21 OnceOver i figured it was because of my ports i couldnt truly host
04:21 OnceOver so i went in another direction
04:22 OnceOver have them on my or me on there private connections seems like a loop hole to me so i tried it
04:22 khonkhortisan you could always try a port scan http://www.whatsmyip.org/port-scanner/
04:22 OnceOver yea ports closed i checked
04:23 khonkhortisan it'll also say closed if there's nothing running on the port
04:23 OnceOver wouldnt the internet be running on the ports?
04:24 khonkhortisan ?
04:24 OnceOver 666 Timeout (Blocked) Doom 2302 Timeout (Blocked) Halo 3453 Timeout (Blocked) Myth 3724 Timeout (Blocked) World of Warcraft 4000 Timeout (Blocked) Diablo 5154 Timeout (Blocked) BZFlag 6112 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6113 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6114 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6115 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6116 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6117 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6118 Timeout (Blocked) Battle.net 6119 Timeout
04:24 khonkhortisan heh
04:24 OnceOver that is what the test said on that port check
04:25 khonkhortisan I just noticed I have email blocked
04:26 OnceOver my guess is that the ports are nicely bricked up
04:26 OnceOver sometimes its good to block email
04:26 OnceOver its annoying lol til you wanna check it
04:28 OnceOver so you work for comcast or somthing?
04:29 OnceOver did you leave me?
04:35 OnceOver if you are all on minetest irc then why is there only 6 ppl on all the servers combined?
04:37 OnceOver hello ch98
04:37 ShadowNinja OnceOver: We are not all active.
04:37 ShadowNinja There is sometimes dozens on the servers.
04:37 ch98 hello
04:38 ShadowNinja *are
04:38 OnceOver no need to correct grammer
04:38 OnceOver we all text chat these days which rips apart our grammer
04:38 OnceOver so
04:39 OnceOver whats the best server?
04:39 ShadowNinja All the same, I prefer to use correct grammar.
04:39 ShadowNinja OnceOver: Mine. :-)
04:39 OnceOver i am challenged when it comes to grammer
04:39 ShadowNinja Survival or creative?
04:39 OnceOver what is your server?
04:40 ShadowNinja shadowninja.minetest.net
04:40 OnceOver what you mean survival or creative?
04:40 OnceOver are you changing it ?
04:40 ShadowNinja In creative you get infinite stuff, my server is in creative mode.
04:41 ShadowNinja Some people prefer "survival".
04:41 OnceOver then why you say survival or?
04:42 ShadowNinja Because I would recommand a different server if you wanted survival.
04:42 OnceOver lol which is?
04:42 ShadowNinja ?
04:42 OnceOver what would you recommand
04:42 OnceOver i dont think recommand sounds right lol
04:43 OnceOver What survival server would you recommend to otheres?
04:44 ShadowNinja Hmmm, maybe redcrab's server, although is is running an old version of minetest. That is the popular server.
04:45 ShadowNinja (At least last I checked)
04:45 OnceOver i have heard that one a few times
04:45 OnceOver what can you do on your server? you cant build can you?
04:45 ShadowNinja I need to give you build privs, one sec...
04:46 OnceOver i see
04:46 OnceOver do you get on your server?
04:47 ShadowNinja No, IRC mod.
04:47 ShadowNinja You should have it now.
04:47 OnceOver well that doesnt help me make friends
04:47 ShadowNinja ?
04:48 * VanessaE might recommend her own server to build on... :)
04:48 OnceOver i like playing multiplayer for the building with friends aspect of it
04:48 OnceOver i have built on vanesses server time to time she is a nice lady
04:49 VanessaE :)
04:50 OnceOver but i already know that i can get bored on all servers so as long as a ration time on each server
04:50 OnceOver i can go through them all and never get bored yay
04:50 OnceOver i love a few servers to death and did all the work to actually email em and stuff to join hint hint vanessae
04:51 VanessaE :P
04:51 OnceOver i had a heck of a time trying to figure out copper wires or all wires to be exact lol
04:52 VanessaE heh
04:52 OnceOver idk how to use wires
04:52 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Minetest is very bad security-wise. you might want to lower your max player count a bit.
04:53 VanessaE how?
04:53 ShadowNinja VanessaE: minetest.conf.example max_players or something like that.
04:53 VanessaE I'll check into it then
04:54 OnceOver 15 would be good
04:54 OnceOver any more than that is awful in my opinion
04:54 VanessaE well it's not like my server ever sees any more than about 5 people at once anyway
04:54 VanessaE # Maximum number of players connected simultaneously
04:54 VanessaE #max_users = 100
04:54 OnceOver i need a map download
04:55 OnceOver do you got one vanessae?
04:55 VanessaE yes, but it's not up-to-date
04:55 VanessaE I'll update it tonight
04:56 VanessaE er, well soon :)
04:56 OnceOver lol
04:56 OnceOver i can use the one you got i dont mind if it lags changing a few node when i walk close
04:56 VanessaE well there's someone building on the server at the moment. When he signs off, I'll upload the latest map files.
04:57 OnceOver lol
04:57 OnceOver who is building?
04:57 VanessaE MichaelEh is working on his space station
04:57 OnceOver who was the guy who made the castle?
04:58 OnceOver i hung out with him on your server
04:58 khonkhortisan Shall I sign on and gum up the works?
04:58 khonkhortisan :P
04:58 VanessaE castle?
04:58 VanessaE khonkhortisan: you're already gumming up the works with that damn menger sponge :)
04:58 OnceOver the small castle or what ever its called i forget
04:58 khonkhortisan I put ghoststone around it for framerate
04:58 VanessaE small castle....hm....
04:58 OnceOver what is ghost stone?
04:58 VanessaE there are several castles around the server
04:59 VanessaE ghoststone is an object that disappears when a mesecons signal is applied
04:59 khonkhortisan it's something from the mesecons mod. Apply power to it, and it temporarily turns air-like.
04:59 VanessaE (and reappears when the signal is withdrawn)
04:59 khonkhortisan Then it comes back whe^
04:59 OnceOver sweet
04:59 OnceOver that sounds cool
04:59 khonkhortisan it also transmits power to itself, so you don't need a yellow wall of wires behind it
05:00 VanessaE khonkhortisan: oh, jeija made them conductive?
05:00 OnceOver is there anything that can transmit power from genorators to what you need the power to go to ?
05:00 OnceOver with out wires i mean
05:00 khonkhortisan I might've done that.
05:01 VanessaE ah
05:01 VanessaE OnceOver: not by default, no
05:01 khonkhortisan there's not much in the way of wireless power
05:01 khonkhortisan There's wireless digilines, but I don't know where to get them
05:01 VanessaE mesecons has a wireless extension you can download but it is considered unstable
05:01 kaeza bleh https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/mt-config.png
05:01 OnceOver boo
05:01 OnceOver kaeza that sounds like a formilial name
05:01 VanessaE also, new linux build: efc75db7[...]
05:02 OnceOver have i met you kaeza?
05:02 VanessaE kaeza: nice
05:02 kaeza OnceOver, depends
05:02 kaeza maybe
05:02 OnceOver sounds good to me
05:02 kaeza I mostly lurk Memebase and the TWHL forums
05:03 khonkhortisan Comcast is my internet company, and my internet went down today without explanation.
05:03 kaeza (apart from MT forums that is)
05:03 OnceOver your internet company or the internet at ur house?
05:04 OnceOver it owould be nice if sfan ever read his emails
05:04 khonkhortisan the latter.
05:05 kaeza eh... wat
05:05 khonkhortisan I read sfan as stefan instead of suh' fan
05:05 khonkhortisan I get my internet through comcast but with no affiliation to them.
05:05 OnceOver on sfan5s server he added node possesion so noone was on it today
05:06 khonkhortisan it's really easy for ownership to get in your way
05:06 OnceOver all my friends cant built anyone know of a better way to talk to him other than youtube chat
05:06 kaeza VanessaE, save & load work. I just need to add support to the other options and to run MT with the specific conf
05:07 VanessaE cool
05:07 kaeza hopefully will make it easier to configure MT until it is implemented in core
05:07 khonkhortisan youtube chat?
05:07 VanessaE maybe you and RealBadAngel can work together on the mod configuration system were were thinking of also
05:08 kaeza that would be cool
05:08 VanessaE we were*
05:08 VanessaE the two seem like they'd go well together
05:08 khonkhortisan I feel like breaking into my modem, but I can't think of a good reason to do so.
05:08 OnceOver as for top admin sfan5 and vanessae are pretty generous with help
05:11 OnceOver someday i will ask for some help on these dang wires vanesse
05:11 OnceOver whenever i get a chance that is
05:11 khonkhortisan I can probably help you with those
05:11 OnceOver i doubt it i feel like i am dumb when i try to get them to work
05:12 khonkhortisan You can make them so complicated you create bugs in them
05:13 OnceOver in that case i blame it on you
05:13 khonkhortisan :)
05:13 OnceOver wish i could add friends on this chat
05:14 OnceOver i would add khonkhortisan he is seemly very smart
05:14 OnceOver i would add kaeza i feel like i played a game with him at one point
05:14 OnceOver i would add vanessae cause she seems very nice
05:14 kaeza hm?
05:14 ShadowNinja OnceOver: Depending on your client you can.
05:15 khonkhortisan I think pidgin might, but xchat doesn't
05:15 kaeza OnceOver, do you play FPSs?
05:15 OnceOver and i wouldnt leave you out shadowninja for the quick ninja like reflexes of server help
05:15 ShadowNinja LOL.
05:16 OnceOver whats is a frame per seconds s?
05:16 khonkhortisan first person shooters
05:16 kaeza lol
05:16 ch98 is it ok to stay on irc without me in front of computer?
05:16 khonkhortisan YES
05:16 VanessaE ch98: many people do this.
05:16 ch98 ok
05:16 OnceOver or what you mean by FPSs
05:16 kaeza [02:16:06] <khonkhortisan> first person shooters
05:16 OnceOver i see
05:16 khonkhortisan FPS can mean "frames per second" or "first person shooter". When there's an "s" on the end, it's the latter.
05:17 kaeza so I guess nope
05:17 khonkhortisan But you never want SPF
05:17 OnceOver you would be surprized how many games i played
05:17 khonkhortisan (seconds per frame)
05:17 OnceOver however i prefer spellbound games
05:17 kaeza khonkhortisan, I used to get that on Puppy
05:18 kaeza (no opengl support for my card :/)
05:18 OnceOver call of duty is an exception
05:18 kaeza lol CoD
05:18 kaeza I mean classics
05:18 kaeza Doom, Quake, Wolfenstein, ...
05:19 kaeza evel HL/CS/DoD
05:19 kaeza even*
05:19 OnceOver i have played call of duty I and II i also like modern warfare 3 i think
05:19 khonkhortisan light-bot, orthorobot, phlipple.
05:19 kaeza khonkhortisan, orthorobot is awesome
05:19 khonkhortisan have you tried phlipple?
05:19 kaeza not yet
05:19 khonkhortisan you should
05:20 kaeza just a handful of Löve games
05:20 kaeza (not tetris, not pacman, and orthorobot)
05:20 OnceOver those all sound old school games
05:20 khonkhortisan respect the umlaut
05:21 OnceOver i also played roblox for a long time
05:21 khonkhortisan the first two have had physics added to them
05:21 khonkhortisan I can't get roblox to install no matter what I do - native, wine, xp vm, 7 vm
05:22 kaeza OnceOver, http://stabyourself.net/notpacman/
05:22 OnceOver i have to use mc donalds internet to download roblox it seems like the download is timed cause it times out
05:23 OnceOver http://dan-ball.jp/en/javagame/ranger/
05:24 khonkhortisan unsigned app! oh no! I'll get haxx38 C036U7ER!
05:24 OnceOver roblox is pretty cool if only it was harder to make your own game so that someone would play mine
05:25 khonkhortisan it would be cool if it ran on something other than mac/windows, or ran on a fresh install of windows.
05:25 sfan5 hi
05:25 khonkhortisan hello, someone is looking for you.
05:25 sfan5 hi OnceOver
05:25 OnceOver hey sfan
05:26 OnceOver i cant build on your server
05:26 OnceOver concessiion is needed
05:26 sfan5 did you try to build in spawn?
05:26 OnceOver lol i cant go to spawn
05:26 OnceOver it says have admin make a spawn
05:27 khonkhortisan I wonder if I could make a 3d-4d game in the style of the 2d-3d orthorobot game
05:27 OnceOver if you are refering to where i was when i first got on lol i was n the nether and i lag there
05:27 sfan5 hm
05:27 khonkhortisan there's a nether?
05:28 OnceOver yes there is nether in sfans server
05:28 OnceOver -5000 is his nether
05:36 sfan5 OnceOver: https://github.com/codeandfix/node_ownership
05:41 OnceOver what is that forcefield mod called?
05:41 VanessaE technic has that.
05:41 ShadowNinja OnceOver: Forcefield? There are at least two, I wrote the technic one.
05:41 OnceOver how do they work?
05:42 OnceOver i know they take energy to run
05:42 OnceOver but do they keep out griefers and such?
05:42 VanessaE I'm not sure how to use them
05:42 OnceOver is there a way a player can let ppl they want in it?
05:43 ShadowNinja OnceOver: None of them are fool-proof.
05:43 OnceOver i would like bricks and doors that we can add ppls names to them so that only them ppl can touch or open them
05:43 VanessaE no idea on that either
05:43 ShadowNinja If you want you can fly and noclip.
05:44 OnceOver thanks shadow
05:49 khonkhortisan Multiple-owner steel doors? That would be nice.
05:49 OnceOver yes and a player option for username interaction
05:49 OnceOver or maybe a command of some sort
05:50 OnceOver like /username can interact with my bricks
05:51 ShadowNinja OnceOver: sokomine has a mod like that.
05:52 OnceOver got a link by chance?
05:52 ShadowNinja But only for doors and chests by default.
05:52 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: g minetest locks mod
05:52 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS9nl-u2TZU
05:53 OnceOver thanks
05:53 ShadowNinja http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3653
05:54 OnceOver you guys are the best
05:54 ShadowNinja Hmmm, it came up with the first video result, but not the first out of all.
05:57 ShadowNinja Same for MinetestBot...
05:58 ShadowNinja Probably Google's loging of my usage made the forums come up first.
05:59 OnceOver whats minetestBot?
06:01 OnceOver also they need a thing where banned users protected chests become regular ones
06:01 OnceOver and that there doors can be pickaxed
06:02 VanessaE where doors?
06:02 VanessaE (pet peeve... there != they're != their )
06:03 OnceOver their
06:03 OnceOver my bad
06:09 khonkhortisan I don't get this ranger game, yet I'm still playing it
06:10 OnceOver you dont get it?
06:10 OnceOver you lvl up beat the different stages get a high attack rating and go vs other players
06:26 markveidemanis Hello
06:29 OnceOver you really markveidemanis?
06:29 OnceOver the one on that server a while back?
06:30 OnceOver the name of the server was makrveidmanis
06:36 sfan5 OnceOver: the server was made for him
06:36 OnceOver awesome
06:36 OnceOver you know him?
06:37 sfan5 what do you mean by "know"
06:37 sfan5 !g minetest locks mod
06:37 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS9nl-u2TZU
06:37 sfan5 hm
06:38 OnceOver well if the server was made for him did you make it?
06:38 sfan5 I made the server
06:38 OnceOver http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3653 i think this is that mod
06:39 OnceOver so you made the server for him and you dont know him?
06:39 sfan5 the server should only be online for 2 days or so... but
06:40 OnceOver you shutting it down forever?
06:41 sfan5 no
06:41 OnceOver good cause i have built most of my legacy on your server
06:43 OnceOver i hope we know eachother pretty well since i am living on your server
06:43 OnceOver i live on your server more than i do at my house
06:43 VanessaE bbl
06:44 OnceOver bye vanesse
06:46 markveidemanis OnceOver: wanna see something cool?
06:46 OnceOver you know i do
06:46 sfan5 !seen Jordach
06:46 MinetestBot sfan5: jordach was last seen at 2013-05-30 01:16:20 UTC on #minetest
06:46 markveidemanis Try my server on the server list
06:46 markveidemanis markveidemanis' server (Technical Server)
06:47 OnceOver ok
06:47 OnceOver idk what to expect but i am excited
06:47 OnceOver when someone says cool
07:59 bcnjr5 Hey Calinou.
08:00 Calinou hi
08:09 Rhys_ Hi :)
08:09 sfan5 hi
08:09 Rhys_ Just a question: how do i make a server?
08:09 Guest36496 Ok im a guest now :(
08:10 Guest36496 Rhys = Guest36496
08:10 Guest36496 so sfan5: how do i make a server?
08:10 sfan5 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2870
08:10 Guest36496 Ok lemme read it and thanks :)
08:14 markveidemanis Rhys: /nick Name
08:14 markveidemanis Try Rhys9
08:15 markveidemanis try this http://bthomehub.home/login.lp
08:15 markveidemanis close enough
08:15 Rhys10 Hi mark :)
08:15 markveidemanis Heya
08:15 Rhys10 Ok sfan
08:15 Rhys10 i did step one
08:16 Rhys10 but minetest is keeping giving me the send error report thing
08:16 Rhys10 when i do so
08:16 markveidemanis Whats your OS and Router model?
08:16 Rhys10 ?
08:16 Rhys10 How do i find out?
08:16 markveidemanis You should know lol
08:17 Rhys10 Nope i dont
08:17 markveidemanis Windows, linux?
08:17 Rhys10 Windows
08:17 markveidemanis k
08:17 markveidemanis thats harder
08:17 Rhys10 :(
08:17 markveidemanis shift+rightclick minetest.exe
08:17 markveidemanis and click the option that is not there normally
08:17 markveidemanis something with CMD
08:17 Rhys10 ok thnx
08:18 markveidemanis then ask sfan5 :)
08:18 Rhys10 where is minetest.exe?
08:18 Rhys10 ik its in the minetest folder
08:19 Calinou Rhys10: update your graphic driver
08:19 Calinou (not through windows update!)
08:19 Rhys10 Ok
08:19 Rhys10 Which way?
08:19 Rhys10 Changing the graphics card?
08:19 markveidemanis "C://programfiles/minetest/bin/minetest.exe" --server --worldname TheWorld'sName
08:20 markveidemanis start>>run>>cm
08:20 Rhys10 ??
08:20 markveidemanis +d
08:20 markveidemanis *>>cmd
08:20 Rhys10 :D
08:20 markveidemanis Rhys: join minetest.org:30010, im on
08:20 Rhys10 ok
08:21 Rhys10 shall i keep this chat up?
08:21 markveidemanis yep
08:21 Rhys10 Ok :)
08:21 markveidemanis http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server AHA!
08:21 markveidemanis brb ~10 min
08:21 Rhys10 coming
08:21 markveidemanis okay il wait about 5
08:21 Rhys10 Ok
08:22 markveidemanis No, i must go, be back in a wile
08:22 markveidemanis STay and build plz
08:22 Rhys10 Ok :)
08:22 Rhys10 Build what?
08:23 Calinou <Rhys10> Changing the graphics card? => ._.
08:23 Calinou Rhys10: what's your graphics card make?
08:23 Rhys10 Ill look now
08:23 Calinou tip: "dxdiag"
08:24 Rhys10 i cant find my make
08:25 Calinou Windows+R then type in "dxdiag"
08:25 Calinou there should be a "Graphics" tab
08:25 Rhys10 nope
08:25 Rhys10 it came up with DirectX diagnostic Tool
08:25 Rhys10 It says
08:25 Rhys10 which tab?
08:25 Calinou there are many tabs, isn't there one that tells you your graphic card?
08:26 Calinou if you don't find it, click "save all information", save it on your desktop, open it, select it (ctrl+A) then copy (ctrl+C)
08:26 Calinou then go to http://paste.ubuntu.com - paste everything, give us the link
08:27 Rhys10 is it the card name?
08:27 Rhys10 which part of it do u want?
08:28 Calinou card name yes
08:28 Calinou all of it?
08:28 Calinou it isn't that long normally
08:28 Rhys10 Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset Family
08:28 Rhys10 thts what ive got
08:28 * Calinou facepalm
08:28 Calinou gpu/intel: You can get drivers for Intel GPUs and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
08:28 Calinou well, you can try
08:28 Calinou but don't expect high framerates
08:28 Rhys10 I wont
08:29 Rhys10 What is this all for?
08:29 Calinou so that the game runs?
08:30 Rhys10 I want to know how to make a server
08:30 Calinou with an outdated driver, there may be bugs, or the OpenGL version required to run minetest (1.2) isn't supported
08:30 Calinou what?
08:30 Calinou you want to make a server now?
08:30 Rhys10 Well kinda yes
08:30 Calinou well, I forgot, my fault
08:30 Calinou you don't need anything graphical to make a server
08:30 Rhys10 xD
08:30 Calinou go to your minetest directory, then "bin"
08:30 Calinou Shift+right click any empty space
08:30 Calinou click "Open command window here"
08:31 Rhys10 dosent show
08:31 Calinou :/ then, Windows+R then type "cmd"
08:31 Calinou use the "cd" command to get to your minetest directory then "bin"
08:31 Calinou then minetest.exe --server
08:31 Rhys10 I dont get this :(
08:32 Rhys10 i guess i am just not up for it yet...
08:33 Calinou you aren't
08:33 Rhys10 Ik ;(
08:33 Calinou there are probably enough servers to play on already
08:33 Rhys10 i guess
08:33 Rhys10 Ok bye then :)
08:36 kaeza lol
08:36 kaeza kids these days... :/
08:36 kaeza they don't even know what cmd is
08:37 bcnjr5 Xp
08:37 Calinou more like, they don't know about tab completion or file paths
08:38 Calinou I'm surprised microsoft didn't put a tutorial when you first boot windows... all games do that, so why not windows
08:38 ruskie because windows is not a game
08:38 ruskie hehe
08:38 Calinou who said so?
08:38 kaeza it isn't?
08:38 Calinou :)
08:39 ruskie or maybe to be more precise.. a tutorial is an optional and rather annoying part of it
08:39 bcnjr5 Windows is just a cheap knock-off of GNOME.
08:41 markveidemanis netsplit
08:42 Calinou bcnjr5: actually it isn't, GNOME 3 doesn't have a charms bar or stuff like that :P
08:43 bcnjr5 Windows and GNOME are kind of like Minecraft and Minetest, come to think of it...
08:43 ruskie windows and kde are more like that
08:43 ruskie kde was always more focused on looking and feeling like windows
08:44 ruskie right down to the file open/save windows
08:45 markveidemanis Rhys10: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3954
08:45 bcnjr5 Rhys left.
08:45 markveidemanis okay
08:46 markveidemanis Do you like the new layout of the info?
08:46 kaeza stupid SDL
08:47 kaeza error display: Could not initialize SDL_video: No available video device <-- O RLY?
08:53 markveidemanis Can i add a server to the public list when im on the server?
08:53 markveidemanis with/set?
09:13 Rhys_ I am Rhys
09:13 Rhys_ ...
09:14 markveidemanis Rhys10: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3954
09:14 Rhys10 Whats this about?
09:14 markveidemanis The server :)
09:15 Rhys10 Ok :)
09:15 markveidemanis check out the screenshots
09:15 Rhys10 :O
09:15 Rhys10 Its sky city!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:16 Rhys10 :D
09:16 Rhys10 nice screenshots, mark
09:16 Rhys10 ok back to minetest.org?
09:59 Calinou doesn't involve ponies, not horrible
09:59 Calinou also, that kind of stuff tends to happen when booting for me, but rarely
09:59 Calinou a reboot and it is fixed
10:12 codedevil :D
10:15 markveidemanis Who is good with mesecons/digiline/receivers?
10:23 sfan5 "time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time ls" is the same as "time ls" for me
10:46 sfan5 john_minetest: wanna play jsbombers?
10:50 markveidemanis I found a way to save CPU...
10:50 sfan5 john_minetest: http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8383
10:50 sfan5 *:8083
10:50 markveidemanis in linux/lubuntu:open minetestserver and click execute, it shows up as a tack, no need for console
10:51 sfan5 markveidemanis: that doesn't save any cpu
10:51 markveidemanis Yes it does if you have a netbook
10:51 markveidemanis The terminal uses CPU, yes?
10:51 sfan5 if you care about that 0.00001% cpu the consple uses, you need to buy a new computer and not use the stoneage thing you have
10:51 markveidemanis This way i dont have any F**ing windows open
10:52 sfan5 *console
10:52 markveidemanis And its the same as going into the multiplayer thing in game except if i crash it doesnt take down the server
10:52 sfan5 john_minetest: you coming?
10:57 sfan5 john_minetest: maybe its firefox?
11:02 markveidemanis http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8083/
11:02 markveidemanis Who will play with me?
11:03 FreeFull If Linux wins, why is windows the one with win in the name?
11:08 markveidemanis sfan5....
11:08 sfan5 it crashed
11:08 markveidemanis It broke
11:08 sfan5 if someone observing a game quits, everything break
11:08 sfan5 brb dinner
11:09 markveidemanis and when i use someone elses nick, eveerything crash
11:12 Calinou no, everyone leaves
11:13 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:14 markveidemanis Hello PilzAdam!
11:14 Guest69500 someone help me with logic
11:15 markveidemanis ?
11:15 markveidemanis This channel is lagging
11:16 markveidemanis I did that 30 seconds ago, got it changed, changed my name back and identified
11:16 PilzAdam thexyz, forum is down: "MySQL reported: Too many connections"
11:17 PilzAdam https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5677195
11:17 markveidemanis Sorry! The page could not be loaded. Unable to connect to MySQL and select database. MySQL reported: Too many connections
11:17 markveidemanis minetest forum
11:17 Calinou read: minecraft 1.6 is out
11:18 markveidemanis and we are still 0.4
11:18 thexyz hurr durr
11:18 PilzAdam works again
11:19 markveidemanis 86.172.132.147 Help
11:19 markveidemanis I think i found a bug with wireless
11:23 Calinou mesecons?
11:23 Calinou report it on github, simpler
11:25 markveidemanis JOin server, im not sure how to describe it or im just being a noob and missing something obvious
11:25 Calinou video/screenshots then
11:27 PilzAdam john_minetest, lol
11:27 PilzAdam with a self made antenna out of a bean can
11:29 PilzAdam Calinou, take it down: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92493#p92493
11:31 BlockMen hi
11:33 PilzAdam hey ho BlockMen
11:34 Calinou PilzAdam: what is it? virus?
11:35 PilzAdam well, he just copied it from a not free MC pack
11:37 * Calinou noticed, "Sky hardcore" is now "Sky"
11:37 Calinou rule lawerying huehuehue
11:37 Calinou lawyering*
11:38 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6136 <- spam
11:38 kaeza thought that guy was gone for good
12:10 sfan5 hahahahahah
12:15 Jordach sup
12:19 Jordach PilzAdam, kanguru
12:20 PilzAdam Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong, youre wrong
12:21 PilzAdam youre wrong youre wrong
12:21 Jordach enjoy that forum item
12:22 PilzAdam lol, german version: http://youtu.be/6m1TcNQM4rs
12:33 sfan5 [german] google translator makes the funniest things: http://i.imgur.com/G3onnm6.png [/german]
12:33 Jordach PilzAdam, that video was clearly falsch
12:34 PilzAdam sfan5, mit stall _und_ kräuseln? oO
12:34 sfan5 PilzAdam: CURL/kraüseln Stable/Stall
12:40 markveidemanis Who can help me with some base lua
12:40 sfan5 markveidemanis: #lua
12:40 PilzAdam oO ubuntu now removes the old linux kernel packages
12:52 markveidemanis i just realised...
12:52 markveidemanis //lua minetest.chat_send_all("hi") works!
12:55 PilzAdam markveidemanis, do you actually know what mods you have installed?
12:55 markveidemanis morldedit
12:55 markveidemanis worldedit
13:01 Jordach markveidemanis, http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#forum
13:01 Jordach http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html *
13:02 PilzAdam spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92520#p92520
13:03 markveidemanis minetest.chat_send_all(minetest.get_connected_players)
13:03 markveidemanis ?
13:03 Jordach how do they still get past?
13:04 PilzAdam "Notice! The message count of your Inbox is close to the limit of 100 messages. Please, delete old and unnecessary messages. Otherwise, you cannot receive new messages if the limit is reached." \o/ finally no PMs anymore
13:05 Jordach i once made a mod where the node animated without using latest features
13:08 * Jordach eats sausage roll
13:10 Jordach im also thinking that every hour, lava_flowing should cool into stone
13:20 Jordach i just noticed that wolfram alpha does the game of life when calculating
13:24 markveidemanis Can i use the Commandbox to do //lua from the luacontroller?
13:25 Jordach markveidemanis, ask on the forum topic
13:25 Jordach nopt here
13:25 Jordach not*
13:29 Jordach i've always had a theory
13:30 Jordach teach C++ alongside regular human language
13:30 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7983685
13:30 markveidemanis help
13:32 Jordach markveidemanis, http://pastie.org/7983689
13:32 Jordach try commas
13:32 Jordach i learned that the hard way
13:32 Jordach Lua shares a lot with Python, but not end of lines
13:33 markveidemanis lol ok
13:33 Jordach actually, http://pastie.org/7983692
13:34 Jordach mathematical statements such as a = b don't need commas iirc
13:35 markveidemanis Jordach...
13:35 Jordach yes
13:35 markveidemanis Umm how to explain this
13:36 markveidemanis I am trying to send the result of multiple input instances to the screen
13:36 markveidemanis so if i enter e
13:36 markveidemanis then a
13:36 Jordach it prints ea
13:36 markveidemanis it will send e \n a
13:36 Jordach that should use a for loop
13:36 Jordach with prints
13:36 markveidemanis i cant use for
13:37 Jordach while X = Y then blah
13:37 markveidemanis local prohibited = {"while", "for", "repeat", "until", "function"}
13:37 Jordach then in theory, its impossibke
13:38 Jordach inmpossible
13:38 Jordach you need a loop to do it
13:38 Jordach otherwise you might as well as code a minetest mod
13:39 markveidemanis it is a loop
13:39 markveidemanis on every input
13:39 markveidemanis In worldedit, can i make a hollow box?
13:48 markveidemanis Jordach: can you help me with the code?
13:49 markveidemanis Every time i send on tty1, it appends it and sends it
13:49 markveidemanis so every time i send a new line
13:49 bibivincs hi everyone
13:51 PilzAdam Jordach, what is this bullshit "put commas at the end of lines"?
13:51 PilzAdam commas only need to be in tabled
13:51 PilzAdam *tables
13:52 PilzAdam this clearly is not a table
13:58 markveidemanis who can fix it then?
13:58 markveidemanis And how can i carry info from command blocks to luacontrollers
13:58 markveidemanis with //lua
14:07 sweetbomber hello. just to make sure: a block goes from (0, 0, 0) to (15,15,15) , right?
14:10 kaeza sweetbomber, yes
14:10 kaeza hey Zeg9
14:10 Zeg9 Hello !
14:16 * kaeza nuked apache2 and installed hiawatha instead
14:16 kaeza much easier to maintain
14:16 kaeza s/maintain/configure/
14:21 proller use nginx!
14:40 PilzAdam someone should trash this topic just for the lulz: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92539#p92539
14:42 Zeg9 john_minetest!!!
14:42 PilzAdam Zeg9!!!
14:43 Zeg9 PilzAdam!!!
14:43 kaeza kaeza!!!
14:43 Zeg9 lol
14:43 PilzAdam I need textures for the new things added to MiniTest
14:43 PilzAdam have you seen the shears or redstone?
14:43 Zeg9 +1 for trashing the topic; I have seen redstone, not shears
14:43 PilzAdam especially my awesome drawing skills ;-)
14:44 Zeg9 "I promise, that if ANYBODY messes with me for no reason ONE MORE TIME, i will make the whole minetest website crash!"
14:45 PilzAdam I think this offending, it violates the forum rules; trash it!
14:45 Zeg9 Guess who wrote this
14:45 Zeg9 First one
14:46 PilzAdam I dont thing markv knows that you can take down websites...
14:47 PilzAdam ok, who told him that?
14:47 * PilzAdam looks at kaeza
14:47 kaeza wut
14:48 * kaeza lol'd
14:48 thexyz wait, wait
14:48 thexyz i love it
14:49 markveidemanis i know how to take down a website... i think
14:49 PilzAdam thexyz, how about closing it?
14:49 markveidemanis first you find a fridge
14:49 markveidemanis then get a teddy bear from a bus stop
14:52 sweetbomber lol
14:54 sweetbomber i think the was just talking about closing his internet explorer window.
14:54 sweetbomber *guy
14:55 PilzAdam sure, if you close your browers the internet turns into standby mode and waits for you to come back
14:55 kaeza nah. probably sending the blue 'e' to the recycle bin
14:55 sweetbomber "If i cant see it, it isn't there" :p
14:56 sweetbomber anyway, the guy wanted some attention
14:57 Zeg9 IIRC just by telling internet explorer to visit a website it may crash the whole server[/troll]
14:57 sweetbomber and managed to get it. proceed
14:57 kaeza and Calinou too
14:57 kaeza oops
14:57 * Calinou checks IRC logs
14:57 Calinou :>
14:58 PilzAdam Calinou, we need some anti-troll troll here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92549#p92549
14:58 Calinou oh by the way, it was my dropbox birthday yesterday :D
14:58 * PilzAdam bets 10$ that Calinou wins
15:02 PilzAdam it depends whether you use IPv3 or IPv5
15:03 kaeza well, duh
15:04 proller ipv6 not merged yet ?
15:04 kaeza IPv3 uses TSP
15:04 proller i can test
15:04 markveidemanis yes, it works even better with ice-cream though
15:04 PilzAdam john_minetest, yea, it works with IPv4.5 mac edition if you plug the fridge into a potato
15:04 Zeg9 If only Ragnar was reaing that :p
15:05 Zeg9 +d
15:06 PilzAdam GNU has released patch, though, that doubles the size of fridge
15:06 Calinou "mac edition"
15:06 * Calinou still remembers that "mac edition" HD7950
15:07 Calinou 400 euros, while you can find 7950s for 250 euros...
15:07 markveidemanis I can count to potato!
15:10 Calinou carrot*
15:10 Calinou FTFY
15:10 PilzAdam you dont need the juice if you go to your Linux registry and change the key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/foo/fridge/juice/ice/bar/ice/foo/fridge to "AAKGGNEAFAGG"
15:10 Calinou john_minetest: welcome to my forum signature
15:12 thexyz s/Linux registry/Gnome registry/
15:12 Zeg9 did you mean the wine registry?
15:13 PilzAdam Zeg9, note how you correctly close the brackets: https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest/commit/54113d87c3d768e6385c2f83a5af76e8cd39398e
15:13 Zeg9 :D
15:14 PilzAdam /etc/ is deprecated
15:14 Calinou edit /etc/Frigeorg/fridgeorg.conf
15:14 Calinou in the "Device" section, add "EnableFridgeControl 4"
15:14 PilzAdam use the new registry builtin into the Linux kernel
15:15 PilzAdam firefox can heat it up
15:15 Calinou but chromium will freeze it again, and google chrome will spy on that coffee
15:15 PilzAdam google created a patch for it, wich microsoft deleted and finally someone from Oracle threw it into firefox
15:16 Calinou to actually heat it up, put a running phenom ×6 in that coffee
15:16 Calinou good luck
15:16 PilzAdam people from Oracle are driving in their cars like crazy in order to increase the speed of the global warming to melt the coffee
15:17 Calinou lol
15:18 kaeza john_minetest, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBVDp5eBMhU
15:19 kaeza ^ irony
15:21 Mustek .version
15:21 Mustek sorry, wrong channel
15:22 Mustek you guys need a version command if you didn't already
15:22 PilzAdam version of what?
15:22 Mustek minetest?
15:22 PilzAdam its written in the topic
15:22 Mustek still
15:23 kaeza O.o
15:23 PilzAdam /topic
15:23 PilzAdam ^ here you have your version command
15:23 Calinou Ragnar is high: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82342922/temp/Capture%20d'%C3%A9cran%20-%2030052013%20-%2017%3A22%3A39.png
15:23 Calinou he posted this in the "farming added" news
15:23 PilzAdam yea, I saw
15:24 Jordach nice IP ragnar
15:24 * Zeg9 likes when moderators take screenshots
15:25 Jordach (8/9/0)4.5(8/9/0).(2/3)(8/9/0).65
15:25 Jordach is ragnar's ip
15:25 Calinou heh
15:26 Calinou Jordach: edited the image, I saw: P
15:26 Calinou Jordach: that still makes for a lot of potential IPs
15:26 Jordach find estonia's ip range
15:27 Jordach that cuts the first sector down
15:28 Jordach okay
15:28 Jordach ragnar is on weed: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92532#p92532
15:29 Jordach i *do not* look like chain lynx
15:30 Calinou lol
15:30 Calinou chainlynx has a funny face already :P
15:31 Jordach and i dont own an iPhony
15:51 Jordach die nächste sentance ist falsch
15:52 FreeFull I don't like pie
15:53 Calinou cake is better
15:53 thexyz it's a lie though
16:01 Jordach thexyz, Someone requested a new password for your Minetest
16:01 Jordach login at http://minetest.net/
16:01 Jordach If you did not request a new password then just ignore this email.
16:03 thexyz ShadowNinja: that wasn't paste flood
16:03 thexyz 3 lines ain't no paste flood
16:03 khonkhortisan obviously you typed it at a human speed
16:04 Jordach thexyz, my login wasnt hacked
16:05 thexyz Jordach: why do you ping me about that issue?
16:05 thexyz i only manage forum.minetest.net
16:05 thexyz and dev.minetest.net
16:05 thexyz and servers
16:05 thexyz seriously, why?
16:05 Jordach thexyz, better to have one know than have it hidden
16:05 Jordach *someone* is trying to hack ud
16:05 Jordach us*
16:07 thexyz that sucks
16:07 thexyz but i can't do anything about it
16:08 thexyz which reminds me of one thing though
16:08 thexyz when was that "air sword" topic deleted?
16:12 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92539#p92539 <--- I say ban his ass.
16:12 VanessaE also, hi
16:12 thexyz okay, i'll find out myself
16:15 thexyz oh, whatever, too lazy
16:15 thexyz i suppose it was deleted a while ago
16:15 kaeza lol
16:15 kaeza hey V
16:15 thexyz at least i can't find it in a backup from 02.02
16:20 VanessaE I'd have put that under the "act suitably" part actually.
16:21 thexyz i believe it's fine
16:21 VanessaE threatening to hack/crash the main website?
16:21 thexyz freedom of speech at its best
16:21 thexyz yes
16:22 * VanessaE shrugs
16:30 Jordach someone did try to hack my minetest.net dokuwiki acc.
16:31 Jordach hm?
16:37 VanessaE mobile devices don't have the computing power for that
16:37 jordan4ibanez Perfect os for viruses.
16:37 VanessaE interpreted languages are inherently slower than compiled languages.
16:37 * Jordach slaps VanessaE with a Samsung Galaxy S4
16:38 Jordach those can handle modern video game graphics
16:38 VanessaE Jordach: but they aren't running interpreted languages to create said graphics are they?
16:39 Jordach VanessaE, python + pyopengl is actually pretty fast#
16:39 Jordach python is interpretted, but extensions are c/C++
16:39 Jordach you do lose about 0.01secs
16:40 thexyz how's your battery doing?
16:40 Jordach hows your battery exploding
16:43 sfan5 noooo
16:44 sfan5 nooooooooo
16:45 Jordach KHAANNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
16:45 Jordach KKKKKKKKHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
16:45 Jordach technically, the language is called Android
16:46 ruskie it's still java
16:46 Jordach because the main stuff is android.foo
16:46 ruskie with a dalvik VM underneath
16:46 ruskie which in essence is a java VM
16:46 Jordach iOS uses Objective C
16:46 ruskie only has android. stuff added to the classpath
16:46 ruskie and you can make nitev software on android to c++/c
16:47 ruskie erm native even
16:48 Jordach hey bas080
16:48 bas080 Hey Jordach
16:49 bas080 Jordach, how's the composing coming along?
16:49 Jordach alright
16:49 bas080 anything new?
16:49 Jordach not really. PusleAudio is a asshole to FL Studio
16:49 Jordach an*
16:49 bas080 is started using lmms
16:50 Jordach bas080, http://www.mediafire.com/listen/s8i5fpw261n0fbr/CPU_Generated.ogg
16:51 bas080 spacey pluck(i think).
16:51 Jordach bas080, hybrid of the two sqaure purities
16:55 Zeg9 PilzAdam: /me found gold before iron in minitest...
16:59 PilzAdam Zeg9, try to mine it :-p
17:00 Zeg9 The worst is that it was exactly the same thing when I started playing minecraft...
17:07 VanessaE sfan5: you around?
17:08 VanessaE actually..
17:08 VanessaE PilzAdam: in worldedit++, do you have a fixlight command?
17:08 PilzAdam yes
17:08 VanessaE which method does it use?
17:08 PilzAdam and it doesnt lag, only digs 64/step
17:08 VanessaE can you try something for me?
17:08 PilzAdam depends what it is
17:09 VanessaE can you try calling nodeupdate instead of dig? See if it has the same effect?
17:09 PilzAdam of course it doesnt
17:09 PilzAdam nodeupdate only updates the falling and attached nodes
17:09 VanessaE damn.
17:10 VanessaE reason I ask is that fixlight lags because rollback manager is slowing it down
17:10 PilzAdam disable rollback :-p
17:10 VanessaE I was hoping there was another way that would avoid those events being logged
17:14 Zeg9 Maybe... rollback could only log actions from players (I guess fixlight doesn't tell the player who "digs" the nodes)
17:14 VanessaE is there any chance I could get you to move that function into builtin or so?
17:14 VanessaE (nodeupdate I mean)
17:14 VanessaE er, that was wrong
17:15 VanessaE it's already in builtin as part of falling.lua
17:15 VanessaE I mean, move it into some more "generic" place
17:17 * PilzAdam installs Diablo 2 in wine
17:17 kahrl Zeg9: I know someone who found diamond before coal in a minecraft world
17:18 * Zeg9 is surprised not finding lava blobs around bedrock in minitest
17:19 Calinou ~10 layers above bedrock there's lava in minecraft
17:19 Calinou any air block below is replaced with a lava source
17:19 Calinou "lava flood"
17:20 PilzAdam really?
17:20 PilzAdam thats interesting
17:20 PilzAdam and easy to code
17:20 Calinou http://minecraftwiki.net/altitude
17:20 VanessaE PilzAdam: actually forget what I said about nodeupdate, I wasn't thinking straight.
17:27 sfan5 VanessaE: yes
17:27 VanessaE sfan5: nevermind, too late :)
17:27 sfan5 VanessaE: you could disable rollback
17:28 VanessaE well that's right out
17:29 PilzAdam Calinou, done
17:29 PilzAdam this is interesting because diamond spawn under the air -> lava level
17:30 PilzAdam +s
17:30 sfan5 VanessaE: just for a tiny moment
17:30 VanessaE sfan5: well at any rate, can you throttle fixlight down so that it doesn't lag? seems PA figured that out too
17:31 sfan5 VanessaE: I can't throttle individual functions
17:31 sfan5 I can only throttle all or none
17:31 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI
17:31 Jordach sfan5, ^
17:31 PilzAdam Calinou, fun fact: you can find ways through the bedrock into the nether, but its harder now with the lava
17:33 kaeza HORY SHET!
17:33 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92599#p92599
17:33 Zeg9 PilzAdam: isn't the probability for the last layer of 1?
17:33 Zeg9 hmm
17:33 Zeg9 anyway, its funnier like that. something that minecraft doesn't have.
17:34 PilzAdam I spawn 16 layers of solid bedrock but the cave generator just cuts though it sometimes
17:34 Zeg9 even if is_ground_content = false?
17:34 PilzAdam this flag is not used yet
17:34 PilzAdam but it will probably fix it
17:35 Zeg9 Not sure, I think the default is false...
17:35 PilzAdam yes, default is nil
17:35 Calinou O_o big wall of text
17:35 Calinou let's read it as if it was MLP fanfic, will be funnier
17:37 PilzAdam https://www.dropbox.com/s/9fadbwt9wdbmz09/BedrockCave.png
17:40 Zeg9 Naughty cave generator:p
17:42 FreeFull PilzAdam: One can always tunnel through lava
17:43 arsdragonfly is there any kind of filtering in mapgen?
17:43 proller no problem to move over lava with water
17:43 arsdragonfly sometimes some blocks seem out of place:P
17:49 sweetbomber hmmmm: i made a pull request regarding the spawning, which we talked yesterday
17:50 sweetbomber I have some ideas regarding biomes which i wanted to discuss with you and with whoever is thinking of map-gen and biomes
17:50 hmmmm sure thing
18:02 Jordach why is Calinou obsessed with ponies
18:04 sweetbomber hmmm i have some ideas about biomes
18:04 hmmmm yes, you mentioned that, what are they?
18:04 sweetbomber you were working on them, in mapgen_v7, right?
18:04 hmmmm yes, i am...
18:04 sweetbomber well, basically, i think there should be a biome engine
18:04 Calinou Jordach: no 8)
18:05 sweetbomber which takes configurations for each biome in a directory or something
18:05 sweetbomber and for each biome, a configuration file defines several stuff:
18:06 sweetbomber namely special structures, parameters for ores, parameters for terrain generation
18:06 sweetbomber there could be several structures in a biome
18:06 hmmmm that is a great idea
18:06 sweetbomber and by structures i mean every thing: from trees to dungeons and npc villages
18:06 hmmmm it's so good that we're already doing that
18:07 sweetbomber but regarding structures
18:07 hmmmm schematic type for decorations
18:07 sweetbomber i think they should be made taking into account modules
18:07 sweetbomber where a structure can be made of several modules connected by "bonding points"
18:07 hmmmm it's true that i haven't committed anything related to that yet, because i'm sort of hung up on a technical problem
18:08 sweetbomber and such modules could be selected randomly for each complete structure
18:08 hmmmm that's how nether fotresses are generated in Minecraft
18:08 sweetbomber for example: a npc village would be a structure, and each housing type is a module, where the bonding point is the door or something else
18:09 sweetbomber each module would be as well be defined in such config file
18:09 sweetbomber a river would be a structure also
18:09 sweetbomber where several parts would be connected,
18:10 sweetbomber this means that each structure should have some degrees of freedom, which would be randomized
18:10 sweetbomber a house would have no degree of freedom, but a river would have a little
18:11 sweetbomber trees would have a little degree of freedom too
18:11 hmmmm these variable structures would be covered by L-systems decorations
18:13 sweetbomber sorry my ignorance (i did not find anything in google): what are L-systems decorations?
18:13 hmmmm there are three decoration types: basic, schematic, and l-system. basic covers such things as papyrus, cacti, and patches of grass, schematic is for more static (but it does allow for randomness) structures where you define some model of a structure that's placed, and l-system decorations are defined by rules and what not
18:13 hmmmm currently, l-systems are only being used by trees but that's clearly far from the only intended use
18:16 sweetbomber what is your technical problem? Can i help you out?
18:17 hmmmm i have a solution but it's something i'd rather avoid
18:18 hmmmm if a decoration doesn't fit, i'm planning on putting the information about this "cut-off" onto a queue, and passing it to emergethread #0 to handle
18:19 hmmmm there'll have to be a whole separate system for handling this
18:19 sweetbomber doesn't fit where? within a block?
18:19 hmmmm an appropriately-sized MMVM would have to be emerged and then the writing will happen there instead of inside of makeChunk()
18:20 hmmmm and of course this might have some race condition problems so i'd have to wait on anything that's using the blocks involved with the decoration placement
18:20 hmmmm doesn't fit inside the chunk currently being generated
18:21 hmmmm so this is the "solution" but i'm trying to find something better before i go through all of that
18:22 sweetbomber hmm, i see it
18:22 hmmmm chances are you won't be able to help, to be honest, sorry.. you'd need a very good understanding of what's going on in the map generating process and all the interactions going on
18:22 sweetbomber in fact i dont think queing it would be a good idea
18:23 hmmmm hey, if you can figure something else out that'll work, that's awesome
18:23 hmmmm i've mulled over this for a couple days and it's the best i've come up with
18:23 sweetbomber imagine the following
18:25 sweetbomber imagine that it is possible to know if a given 2d coordinate is supposed to have a structure
18:25 sweetbomber (this is possible since the randomness is deterministic)
18:25 hmmmm before you bother suggesting that I just emerge the rest of what I need in makeChunk(), that won't work because it'd throw off the cubic shape of a chunk, i'd need to lock the environment from inside the mapgen (simply not happening), and then i'd have to synchronize with the other threads that may be generating the affected additional area
18:26 sweetbomber then, when we build a chunk with a structure that does not fit, it simply leaves the structure uncomplete
18:27 hmmmm in order to do that, i'd need to calculate the placements of structures for an indeterminate range
18:27 sweetbomber when building the next chunk, it will be known that in certain part of it there is a structure, because the structure-location function indicates there is a structure
18:27 hmmmm this is the first thing i considered
18:28 sweetbomber but you dont need to calculate everything, it can be calculated as needed
18:28 hmmmm how do i know i need it
18:29 sweetbomber you only calculate for each chunk
18:30 hmmmm but the point of the cut-off is that you don't know what's supposed to be in what chunk
18:30 hmmmm so i'd have to be calculating decorations to be placed in surrounding chunks for some large-ish radius
18:31 sweetbomber let me think of a practical way to do that, so that a chunk would have the same structure no matter of what parts of the map are generated...
18:31 sweetbomber *parts of the map were previously generated...
18:33 sweetbomber btw, we are thinking of abritrarly sized structures, that could be several chunks in size, right?
18:33 hmmmm yes
18:39 sweetbomber ok, we could create a second 2d map
18:39 sweetbomber which has the structure information only
18:40 sweetbomber lets imagine the following
18:40 sweetbomber the structure starts at a given node coordinate
18:40 sweetbomber that will be the structure "seed" or trunk
18:41 sweetbomber then, that structure is built, and within the same chunk there is no problem
18:42 sweetbomber since the structure could have different modules connected, etc...lets call those sub-structures branches
18:43 sweetbomber when a branch reaches a chunk limit, it stores the branch's data in a 2d array
18:44 sweetbomber oc, the 2d coordinate of the trunk would also indicate the trunk data
18:44 sweetbomber more easily, each 2d coordinate could only point to the trunk data
18:45 hmmmm wouldn't that imply there's a set number of structures existing
18:47 sweetbomber the array would need to accommodate several entries on each point
18:47 sweetbomber but i wouldnt call it a 3d array because each 2d coordinated had a different depth
18:49 hmmmm you should also be aware that decoration placement is not only based on a position, but the previous state of the random seed as well
18:49 sweetbomber since there are a lot of small structures, like trees, maybe the trunk data could be dismissed from such map
18:49 hmmmm what you want is almost like perlin noise
18:49 sweetbomber in fact, i really wanted a f(x, y, z) function that specified the structure at that point in the world
18:50 sweetbomber seems complicated, but i will still give some toughts to that
18:51 sweetbomber in fact my greatest driver to want to become part of this community is the map generation, because it seems very challenging
18:54 sweetbomber i just noticed one thing: i think that by using the 2d map or whatever that is not a f(x,y,z) could lead to problems because the chunks could be emerged in parallel by different threads, right?
18:56 Jordach sweetbomber, #minetest-dev
19:02 sweetbomber Jordach: sorry
19:02 Jordach sweetbomber, thats fine, but really, development is more suited for there
19:08 Jordach my technophobe of a mother picked up the droid tablet and was sneakily playing angry birds
19:09 hmmmm having an f(x, y, z) function kind of goes against the whole way that decorations are placed
19:10 hmmmm also you'd have to lose the randomness in position
19:10 hmmmm well, nevermind what i last said
19:10 hmmmm could use noise2d() i guess
19:11 hmmmm i'd have to think about it, but what you said is a fundamentally different approach and it'd change a lot
19:11 hmmmm hrm
19:12 hmmmm specifically, we'd need to iterate over the entire map, regardless of how rare decorations are
19:23 Jordach LETS SPAM WHILE SHADOWBOT'S AWAY
19:23 sfan5 Jordach: no
19:24 Jordach sfan5, i was taking the piss
19:30 VanessaE http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/05/30/1520213/ubuntu-closes-longstanding-bug-1
19:30 VanessaE O.o
19:30 VanessaE https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834
19:33 harrison what do you call a large lizard from africa or asia who believes that healing comes from faith alone?
19:33 harrison christian science monitor
19:37 sweetbomber hmmmm: ill think if that is doable
19:39 kaeza VanessaE, lol
19:39 kaeza interesting bug report
19:39 kaeza glad it got "fixed"
19:47 * Calinou facepalm
19:47 Calinou hello harshlinuxian
19:47 Calinou news: linux isn't only for the elite
19:48 * VanessaE grumbles at john_minetest .... I use ubuntu, thank you.
19:49 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92604#p92604 <= yey
19:49 Calinou another topic full of arguing
19:49 VanessaE oh mine's hardly 'default' though
19:49 Calinou same, xubuntu with chromium + clementine + eog + libreoffice + geany
19:50 Calinou removed leafpad/abiword/gnumeric/gmusicbrowser...
19:50 Calinou using it in default configuration implies 20 FPS in sauerbraten 8)
19:51 Calinou KDE isn't an example of speed, even less with compositing
19:52 VanessaE xubuntu (=xfce + lightdm) works well enough for me
19:52 VanessaE yep
19:58 VanessaE Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/commit/30a5bc3494c646935206296b81a816f3380cdb2c
19:58 VanessaE this is all your fault ;)
20:00 VanessaE (did the same on all my other mods, and on HDX too, and jpegoptim there too)
20:01 Calinou dat nvidia penguin
20:03 Calinou VanessaE, too bad github doesn't show file sizes :/
20:03 Calinou in the diff views
20:03 Calinou would be nice :P
20:03 VanessaE pngcrush saved 34MB on HDX 512px (jpegoptim saved another 1MB)
20:06 Calinou nice
20:14 thexyz there's also pngquant (lossy)
20:14 VanessaE ew.
20:15 VanessaE I should, however, go through my files and see what textures I can re-compress lower setting without appreciable quality loss
20:15 VanessaE +to a
20:15 Calinou thexyz, lossy png compression? :phoronix rolleyes:
20:18 thexyz quite useful
20:18 thexyz in some cases
20:19 Calinou unless you need transparency, use jpg
20:19 VanessaE I do, however, wish there were a way to jpg-compress images that need transparency
20:19 thexyz don't
20:19 thexyz pngvsjpg.png
20:19 Calinou lol
20:19 Calinou you mean .xcf :)
20:20 thexyz oh, yes
20:20 Calinou does lossy compressed png look at least as good as a quality 95 jpeg? what about size?
20:31 thexyz what's the point of quality 95 jpeg for images with few colors?
20:31 Calinou in this case, use lossless png
20:31 Calinou for simple-ish images
20:39 thexyz well, as i said, it's useful in some cases (for me, at least)
20:39 thexyz (pngquat, that is)
20:39 thexyz and yes, I can't spot a difference between png and 95% jpg
20:40 thexyz dunno about 16×16 tiles though
20:40 thexyz woo, reactos 0.3.15
20:46 thexyz why do you even need it?
20:49 Calinou ^
20:49 Calinou no idea what is a initramfs :-D
20:52 Calinou says the guy with a prebuild/laptop
20:52 Calinou also, a linux kernel compile usually takes less than 10 minutes, no?
20:53 thexyz i once had to compile it using p4
20:53 thexyz it sucked
20:54 thexyz oh, it explains everything
20:54 thexyz john_minetest: just compile all device drivers in kernel
20:55 thexyz then there will be no need in initramfs
21:04 kaeza how long does it take for a server to appear on the list?
21:04 kaeza *master list
21:05 VanessaE usually it's immediate
21:05 kaeza hmm
21:05 kaeza something must be wrong with conf then
21:05 VanessaE does your build have cURL?
21:06 kaeza I believe so... lemme check
21:06 Calinou immediate, yeah
21:07 Calinou kaeza, paste your relevant minetest.conf entries maybe
21:07 kaeza hmm no CURL...
21:07 kaeza Calinou, a sec
21:07 Calinou you need curl
21:07 Calinou the "gnutls" one is recommended, afaik
21:08 kaeza I'll recompile
21:08 kaeza I need to pull latest changes anyway
21:11 kaeza well, expect some disconnection
21:12 VanessaE well I have to admit, pngquant works very well indeed
21:13 kaeza Calinou, libcurl4-gnutls-dev?
21:14 kaeza VanessaE, lzip is another great compression program
21:14 kaeza it can compress files to 0 bytes!
21:14 VanessaE heh
21:14 Uberi whoa I'm impressed
21:15 Calinou kaeza, yes, iirc
21:15 Calinou kaeza, "rm" also compresses files to 0 bytes >:o
21:16 Uberi in fact you can use it to compress your whole filesystem!
21:16 Uberi that way you can save massive amounts of disk space
21:16 Uberi all you have to use is this one simple command
21:16 kaeza save infinite amounts of money with bandwidth!
21:17 kaeza </sciencetroll>
21:17 Uberi that sounds like one expensive ISP
21:18 kaeza library weighs 123KB, you need to install 6MB of dependencies
21:18 kaeza *genius*
21:18 Calinou oppa debian style
21:21 Uberi and it doesn't even take that many universe lifespans to do it!
21:22 Calinou 2-6, may be inaccurate
21:23 Uberi and compression is a lot faster than a lot of known algorithms
21:24 Uberi https://gist.github.com/Uberi/3334552
21:24 Uberi oh sorry wrong channel
21:25 kaeza that looks like Windows batch files
21:25 kaeza except with proper loop constructs
21:26 Uberi its syntax is sort of a mix between the BASICs and the C-families
21:28 kaeza rediception?
21:37 sfan5 good night
21:41 kaeza night sfan
21:41 Uberi|AoS o/
21:41 kaeza success! the server is listed!
21:41 kaeza bleh
21:41 kaeza need to change description
21:45 VanessaE yay \o/
21:46 kaeza there, that fixed it
21:46 kaeza lol: 01:45:18: ACTION[ServerThread]: happy112 attempted to interact with [node under=-5,0,13 above=-5,1,1
21:46 kaeza 3] without 'interact' privilege
21:47 kaeza hmm
21:47 kaeza that 112 sounds familiar
21:47 kaeza rotor?
21:57 kaeza ehm I'm a bit confused...
21:57 kaeza what's the most recent WE mod?
21:58 Uberi|AoS the git version
21:58 Uberi|AoS it is the only canonical, supported version
21:58 kaeza I mean, there's one by PA, one by sfan, one by ...
21:58 Uberi|AoS kaeza: sfan and I work on WE together
21:59 kaeza ah
21:59 Uberi|AoS PA's is WE++, and is a reduced-feature-set version
21:59 Uberi|AoS that also has block queues, which WE didn't have at the time
21:59 Uberi|AoS it does now, but WE++'s implementation is a bit better
22:00 kaeza hmm
22:01 Uberi|AoS kaeza: if you need more advanced actions like Luatransforms, rotation, trasnposition, primitives, serialization, use WE
22:01 Uberi|AoS if you want small and simple and fast go with WE++
22:01 kaeza I just need to copy a structure over to the server
22:02 Uberi|AoS oh WE++ uses WE's code for that so both should work the same
22:02 kaeza I cloned your repo anyway :P
22:03 Uberi|AoS :D
22:03 Uberi|AoS WE++ also has things like /pause and /resume, which WE doesn't have (yet)
22:26 Uberi|AoS does anyone have profiling data for operations like minetest.set_node?
22:27 Uberi|AoS as in, so and so milliseconds to set one node, so and so milliseconds to remove one
22:35 kaeza wtf http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92641#p92641
22:35 Uberi|AoS well you heard the man
22:36 kaeza well, I don't even know what that thing is
22:36 kaeza ASCII art phail
22:38 Uberi|AoS hmm let's assume my timing numbers that I made up are correct
22:49 sweetbomber "ASCII art phail" x2
22:49 sweetbomber "Well, let me register in some random forum, and post some random stuff"
22:50 sweetbomber its his first post...
22:50 Uberi|AoS maybe it's a lonely astronaut
22:50 Uberi|AoS maybe it's the Lost Cosmonauts
23:14 Uberi|AoS hey MinetestBot get to work
23:14 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Block queue doesn't lag anymore on slow operations like digging and placing nodes, better and more efficient //fixlight. f952ee4740 2013-05-30T16:13:21-07:00 http://git.io/9VVsgw
23:14 Uberi|AoS that's more like it
23:29 Uberi|AoS hey harrison_
23:34 sweetbomber i noticed the option "mgindev_float_islands". are there floating islands being generated right now?
23:35 Uberi only if enabled
23:35 sweetbomber curious to see the result :D
23:36 sweetbomber thats an awesome feature!
23:36 VanessaE at what elevation are they generated?
23:36 Uberi it's pretty great yeah
23:36 Uberi I think that's configurable
23:36 VanessaE eh, no matter, justrealized that's for indev
23:37 sweetbomber by default it is set to 500
23:40 sweetbomber btw, installed your game, vanessa (the first "game" besides minimal I ever installed, btw) and I heard you have a server, is it whitelisted?
23:40 VanessaE indeed I have, and it is.
23:40 VanessaE vanessae.mine.bz:30000
23:40 VanessaE whitelisted, node_ownership, rollback, and a real bitch of an admin :)
23:42 VanessaE (and even with all that, people *still* grief everyso often)
23:43 sweetbomber eheh
23:43 Uberi they come from beyond this mortal realm
23:43 sweetbomber its a shame that people still grief, tough
23:43 VanessaE yeah, zombies. :)
23:43 Uberi they feel no fear, no shame
23:43 Uberi they are... the griefers
23:44 sweetbomber its a creative server, i presume
23:44 VanessaE yep
23:44 sweetbomber altough i see it has some farming plugins
23:44 VanessaE yep, it has
23:44 Uberi isn't farming built in now?
23:45 VanessaE yep, my game has farming_plus
23:45 * VanessaE grumbles at the C++ mapper. stupid thing can't handle reading from a world that's actually active.
23:45 sweetbomber i really think minetest has loads of potential
23:46 sweetbomber one of the ideas i have is to develop an AI engine, but not for mobs
23:46 Uberi VanessaE: that's partially sqlite's fault for locking it down so tight
23:47 sweetbomber imagine that we program bots to strive in the game just like regular players
23:47 PilzAdam kaeza, my WE++ mod is just a proof of concept
23:47 sweetbomber crafting and looking for food atc...
23:47 VanessaE Uberi: yeah but the python mapper has no trouble there?
23:47 PilzAdam its the first mod that uses a queue to perform the commands in on_globalstep()
23:47 Uberi VanessaE: well...uh...look over there!
23:47 * Uberi walks away
23:48 VanessaE lol
23:48 VanessaE too bad the C++ one is unmaintained now
23:48 VanessaE its dozens of times faster than the python one
23:48 Uberi PilzAdam: are you planning to continue developing it?
23:48 PilzAdam not really, since the regular WE has it too
23:48 Uberi eh fair enough
23:48 PilzAdam I just like to use mine because of the commands
23:49 Uberi it's a great proof of concept btw
23:49 PilzAdam btw: diablo 2 is epic
23:50 PilzAdam a 1080p resolution looks so weird when you played 800x600 for hours
23:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, sheep dissapearing bug fixed, update
23:55 VanessaE ok
23:55 PilzAdam why havent anyone told me that it didnt work at all?
23:55 PilzAdam I thought it was just some super rare case that is horrible to find
23:56 VanessaE I don't try to herd them, so I didn't noticed it
23:56 Uberi I thought they went to the local pub for a quick refresher
23:57 * PilzAdam increases the "typo in simple mobs commit log" counter by 1
23:57 VanessaE -d
23:58 sokomine yes, typos are maliscious. we might have them as further mobs :-)
23:58 sokomine would be better than poor sand monsters who havn't done a thing :-)
23:59 Uberi oh my goodness
23:59 Uberi that is the best idea I've heard in a while
23:59 sokomine :-)
23:59 Uberi "the wild typo is a common beast found in all biomes..."
23:59 * sokomine nods
23:59 sokomine they
23:59 Uberi "...slowly takes over communications channels and introduces various errors"
23:59 sokomine they're very dangerous and need to be eliminated at all costs! hunt the typos! :-)