Time Nick Message
00:02 Exio4 how can be understanding a KEYBIND that hard
00:40 fwilson Exio4: oh, hi, i didn't know you were in here
00:52 Megaf will minetest server someday be a stable software?
00:56 Peacock one can always dream
01:03 kaeza define stable
01:04 Peacock lol
01:04 Peacock I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as stable, is in fact, ... :p
01:18 harrison a barn?
01:24 Peacock lol some newb killed me, then i whipped out a weapon not in the creative inventory and killed him 3 times, i haven't heard so many sorries since clinton banged that intern :p
01:32 Megaf kaeza, something that will keep running without bugs making it to stop running
01:32 Megaf now a days any stupid bug or error will just bring the server down
01:33 kaeza uh?
01:33 Megaf There is not a single minetest server with a decent uptime
01:33 kaeza I've run my server for almost 4 days straight
01:33 Megaf ohhhh?
01:33 kaeza the only time I shut it down was for backups
01:33 Megaf man, thats nothing
01:33 Megaf I got my Raspberry Pi for a month
01:34 Megaf a month of minetest server
01:34 Megaf but it was a minimal server
01:34 Megaf with even the default modules disabled
01:35 kaeza sooo... is it the engine crashing or some random mod?
01:35 Megaf both
01:36 Megaf DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD 7fe779ffb700:
01:36 Megaf #0 virtual void* EmergeThread::Thread()
01:36 VanessaE if it weren't for daily backups, my servers would probably run for at least a few days at a time also
01:36 VanessaE only a mod will crash it, and then it's the modder's fault for writing bad code.
01:36 VanessaE (usually)
01:36 Megaf and before that
01:36 Megaf In thread 7fe782563700:
01:36 Megaf /home/megaf/minetest/src/connection.cpp:1862: virtual void* con::ConnectionReceiveThread::Thread(): Assertion '0' failed.
01:36 VanessaE dude, pastebin
01:37 Megaf VanessaE, I done run my server on my home, localy
01:37 Megaf my server runs on a true server
01:37 VanessaE so does mine.
01:37 Megaf far away from me
01:37 VanessaE I pay for a dedicated server up in canada.
01:38 Megaf sometimes is not as quick or easy to copy stuff
01:38 Megaf I pay for one in London
01:38 Megaf just for minetest
01:38 Megaf I got a 8 core Xeon with more than 10 MB of upload all for minetest
01:39 fwilson o.o
01:39 Megaf and this shit still runs slow as hell and crashes all the time
01:39 fwilson nice
01:39 Megaf and its not my servers fault
01:39 Megaf tried to move to USA already
01:39 Megaf same shit
01:39 fwilson i run on a single-core P4 and have no crashes at all
01:39 fwilson from home
01:39 fwilson :\
01:40 fwilson and i'm running ~60 mods
01:40 Megaf fwilson, install some mods and you will see
01:40 fwilson ^^
01:40 fwilson :)
01:40 Megaf fwilson, do you run plantlife and homedecor?
01:40 fwilson no, but i used to
01:40 fwilson still ran fine
01:40 fwilson wait... was it plantlife or something else...
01:40 fwilson no i didn't run plantlife, i did run homedecor
01:41 VanessaE not likely to be plantlife
01:41 VanessaE that mod is quite stable
01:41 Megaf plantlife is a lib that you need for moretress and other stuff
01:41 VanessaE and homedecor's signs already got fixed, afaik.
01:41 Megaf VanessaE, actually your mods now a days are pretty stable
01:41 Megaf yes
01:41 Megaf now that connecton.cpp is causing the server to crash
01:41 fwilson that's kinda strange
01:42 Megaf perhaps something sapier did
01:43 Megaf !seen sapier
01:43 MinetestBot Megaf: sapier was last seen at 2014-01-08 23:57:50 UTC on #minetest
01:43 kaeza GDBIYF
01:44 Megaf at least my other project is doing well...
01:49 VanessaE are you using sapier's latest pull? #1090 against clean minetest git master
01:49 VanessaE I use this on my servers. it seems stable.
01:50 VanessaE if it proves itself, it goes to master soon
02:02 Megaf VanessaE, I update it everyday
02:02 Megaf I mean, I do a git pull at minetest folder
02:03 VanessaE I mean sapier's pull, not the master repo
02:03 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1090
02:03 Megaf I just do git pull, I assumed since I switched to it once the next time it will get the sapier's pull
02:04 Peacock well i dont know if that turkey was still good, but we'll find out soon enough
02:05 Megaf I think this broke it https://github.com/sapier/minetest/commit/0303f3d2189c213617cec8cb9f272fe36889f64d
02:05 Megaf he indeed changed the connections.cpp file
02:05 Megaf it was working before that
02:06 VanessaE so apply his pull request to your copy and see if it helps
03:32 blaise bas0801: herro?
03:32 bas0801 blaise?
03:33 blaise bas0801: are you the writer of the Firestone mod?
03:36 blaise bas0801: if so, I am in great appreciation of your hard work.. :)
03:37 blaise I am very much enjoying the firestone and firestone chimney
03:52 blaise bas0801: I take it you're not the author
03:52 blaise bas0801: sorry to bother you
04:17 blaise did they ever get the smoke particles working?
04:17 blaise anyone else use the firestone mod?
04:18 Peacock i just use the fire node without the abm thingy
06:15 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 30000
06:15 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (549ms)
06:15 blaise :O
06:16 blaise that's crazy latency
06:16 blaise I've got like 50ms latency to yahoo.com so I don't think it's my connection
06:16 blaise but I've noticed people timing out on my sever..
06:17 blaise so I can't help but wonder if there is anything I can do to prevent timeouts
06:27 blaise Miner_48er: sup
06:27 Miner_48er hi
06:31 blaise :)
06:41 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 30000
06:41 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (257ms)
06:42 blaise well, that's better
06:43 blaise that's better, not great.. but better...
07:05 daswort if a mod is dark green in the UI does that mean it is incompatible`
07:24 proller blaise, try freeminer for less timeouts
07:34 blaise o.O
07:34 blaise proller: ?!
07:36 blaise ah, it's a fork
07:36 blaise the thing is, I'm not the one timing out..
07:36 blaise and other people are able to maintain connections..
07:37 blaise so I haven't the foggiest idea wtf is causing it..
07:37 blaise I can only assume it's on their end.. or a bad route
07:37 Peacock you mean people laying there dead or standing up?
08:01 blaise Peacock: I mean I see timed out messages in my server logs
08:01 Peacock for anouncing to server list?
08:09 blaise no, for players
08:09 Peacock oh, thats normal
08:11 blaise k
09:36 Megaf Good morning folks
09:36 Megaf And here we have today's crash http://paste.debian.net/75184/
09:36 Megaf 03:03:00: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ...st/bin/../games/minetest_game/mods/default/nodes.lua:1045: attempt to index local 'fuel' (a nil value)
09:37 Megaf Now even the default mod is indexing this nil thing
09:49 proller Megaf, try FM - it have disabled crashes ;)
09:49 VanessaE you probably removed a mod that was providing some fuel that's in a furnace somewhere nearby
09:49 VanessaE the fuel became nil
09:49 Megaf VanessaE, I disabled mobs only
09:49 Megaf perhaps someone was burning rats
09:49 VanessaE could be
09:49 VanessaE I had to fix a similar crash in homedecor's ovens
09:50 Megaf VanessaE, See? That's what's about what I said yesterday, anything stupid will bring the server down
09:50 Megaf the correct behavior would be just set nil to 0 or empty
09:51 Megaf if = nil replace with empty
09:51 VanessaE that's just it
09:51 Megaf proller, did you fix that too?
09:51 VanessaE most of the time, you can't
09:51 VanessaE if you did that, you'd never know there was an error
09:51 blaise there's a bash script I used to keep my eggdrops up.. I'm considering implementing it with a crontab entry
09:51 blaise :D
09:51 Megaf Problem is, almost all common errors generate just a nil thing
09:52 proller fm not crashes when lua error appear
09:52 Megaf There should be more things than only "nil value"
09:52 VanessaE in order for the game to detect that something has to be done with a nil, it HAS to crash first.
09:52 proller it ignore any errors, just write them to log
09:52 VanessaE otherwise the mod coder will often never see that the nil happened
09:53 VanessaE have you ever coded a mod?
09:53 Megaf sometimes a nil is not a bad thing nor a bug, its just a fuel that does not exists anymore
09:53 VanessaE Megaf: you can't just "move on" with "that nil thing"
09:54 VanessaE because 'that nil thing' has different meanings depending on context
09:54 VanessaE if you just "move on" you are guaranteed to break stuff
09:57 Megaf VanessaE, how can I help you with that "<VanessaE> I had to fix a similar crash in homedecor's ovens"
09:57 Megaf I could test it for you
09:57 Megaf in another server
10:00 VanessaE Megaf: report it as an issue on the minetest github page.
10:00 VanessaE it wasn't homedecor that I fixed, either...
10:00 VanessaE what was it..
10:00 VanessaE oh, it was in realtest I think
10:01 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/realtest_game/commit/36f7fa59a1e5bdfb8474215a94008e614538532c
10:01 VanessaE it was probably the wrong place to do it, but worked
10:01 VanessaE in that particular case, obviously it wasn't a fuel
10:02 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/realtest_game/commit/847afd2e5b634fbd0c95bada9eab9442683e26fb
10:02 VanessaE that one was the fix
10:02 VanessaE same idea
10:03 VanessaE idk if current minetest_game code needs a similar fix or not
10:03 VanessaE didn't look
10:03 kahrl VanessaE: shouldn't that be something like "if not cooked or not cooked.item or cooked.item:is_empty()"
10:04 VanessaE kahrl: probably. it was just a quick hack to stop the crash anyway
10:05 VanessaE I seem to run the only server on the 'net that uses that game, so somehow I got roped into maintaining it :)
10:07 blaise is there any way to get the nature pack without having to create an account on bitbucket?
10:07 VanessaE blaise: just git clone it
10:07 VanessaE but nature pack is outdated
10:08 VanessaE don't use it
10:08 blaise oh,
10:08 VanessaE use plantlife + the stuff in minetest_game
10:09 blaise VanessaE: is this outdated as well? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=607
10:10 blaise or, is there flowers in plantlife ?
10:10 blaise or flowers_plus ?
10:10 blaise :D
10:10 VanessaE minetest_game supplies flowers
10:10 blaise kewl
10:11 VanessaE and plantlife modpack adds a few other plants as well
10:16 VanessaE also that farming mod you pointed to, there's already farming in minetest_game
10:17 blaise I grabbed undergrowth and dryplants
10:17 blaise :)
10:17 VanessaE you
10:18 VanessaE oops
10:18 VanessaE you'll like those, but bear in mind they add some mapgen lag
10:18 Megaf Oh dear, that Giant Sequoia takes ages to grow
10:18 blaise during map generation?
10:19 VanessaE Megaf: they're supposed to. that's intentional
10:19 VanessaE you can configure that
10:19 blaise lmao
10:19 VanessaE blaise: yeah
10:19 Megaf VanessaE, Yep I can
10:19 Megaf =)
10:19 blaise so I need to regenerate my map or I wont get any use out of these mods?
10:20 blaise also, pine sappling caused issues with snow
10:20 blaise I read on the forum that someone had the same issue
10:21 blaise so I'm sure the author is aware..
10:21 blaise unless he/she died or something..
10:21 * blaise hopes not..
10:21 blaise I also modified the no_guests "mod" so no one can use the name "Admin"
10:22 blaise these attempted "Admin" login's are clogging up my server log,
10:23 VanessaE Megaf: my version already does that: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6719965/
10:23 kahrl Megaf_, VanessaE: the furnace code doesn't crash when the fuel is an unknown item
10:23 VanessaE er blaise ^^^^
10:23 kahrl it crashes when the furnace's metadata somehow loses the "fuel" inventory list
10:24 VanessaE kahrl: hm, well Megaf's problem must be a different one then. perhaps if the cooked result .... yeah
10:24 kahrl should the furnace self-repair in such a case?
10:24 VanessaE yes
10:24 VanessaE as long as it won't cause loss of an item
10:25 blaise is there a way to get the furnace to dump into a chest or several?
10:25 blaise maybe with pipes or something?
10:25 kahrl I don't know how it would lose the inventory list in the first place, and when it does any item in the list is already lost
10:25 VanessaE blaise: pipeworks mod.
10:25 blaise excellent.
10:26 Megaf_ Why cant it just remain as a movable "unknown item?
10:26 Megaf_ blaise, VanessaE's pipeworks mod
10:26 VanessaE kahrl: I can't help but wonder: is this a sign of some more serious, underlying problem?
10:27 kahrl perhaps
10:27 kahrl could also just be caused by some mod, though
10:28 VanessaE possibly
10:29 VanessaE the reason I asked that though is...well, that ignore-instead-of-air issue I had on my map, this loss-of-inventory megaf had, those sudden invisible fences kaeza had (the models were nil)....
10:30 kahrl those sound pretty unrelated
10:30 VanessaE yes, but with one exception: they're all stored in the map and they all involve something being nil'd out
10:31 VanessaE maybe three isolated cases of map corruption
10:31 kahrl the fence models aren't stored in the map, are they?
10:31 VanessaE somehow they must be
10:32 VanessaE because some of the neighboring fence nodes were fine
10:32 VanessaE so if not the model then the reference to it anyway
10:32 kahrl since we never merged meta_set_nodedef, they can't be...
10:33 VanessaE I think they are xfences though, hence nodeboxes
10:33 VanessaE not that that matters any
10:33 kahrl unless they're entities, no
10:34 VanessaE the weird thing is, if you place a node next to the invisible one, it becomes visible and takes on its normal properties
10:34 trauerlicht bye bye
10:35 kahrl maybe just some mesh generation issue?
10:35 VanessaE if kaeza were here he'd be able to link to the screenshot of it
10:35 VanessaE no idea
10:35 VanessaE but it happens for me on his map too
10:35 kahrl do they disappear again when you remove the node you placed next to it?
10:36 VanessaE nope
10:36 kahrl hrm
10:36 VanessaE I expect simply calling nodeupdate() for the affected positions would also make the invisible nodes reappear.
10:37 Peacock memory corruption? :P
10:38 Peacock ive been getting some weird shit as well, more than usual
10:39 VanessaE Peacock: on three different servers and three different clients? perhaps, but I tend to doubt it :)
10:39 Peacock like my shieldgen that works 99% of the time, tho yesterday i got two halves of a sphere at random positions
10:40 Peacock well if something in minetest is corrupting the memory you would get it across all clients wouldn't you?
10:40 VanessaE true
10:40 blaise wow...
10:40 Peacock i'm just at a loss to explain why things behave normally in one instance but are fucked up the next
10:40 VanessaE what?
10:41 Peacock doesn't really point to a mod code error, otherwise it would be fucked up all the time
10:41 blaise so beautiful!
10:41 blaise these new mods are awesome!
10:41 VanessaE aren't they though? :)
10:44 Megaf_ blaise, you should see my server... I use tones of VanessaE's mods
10:44 VanessaE :)
10:44 Peacock which tones exactly? pastel or? :P
10:45 Megaf_ Peacock, pastel ones, and naturals too
10:45 Peacock hehe
10:45 Megaf_ like tones of woods
10:45 Peacock karl recently proposed evening and morning woods :P
10:45 Megaf_ blaise, moretrees, plantlife, musrooms, homedecor are some of the mods from here I use
10:45 blaise do I set time_speed = 1 in world.mt ?
10:46 Peacock thats realtime :P
10:46 Megaf_ do that in minetest.conf
10:46 blaise Megaf_: I don't have one.
10:46 Megaf_ Peacock, yep, Megaf Till It Ends uses a real time setting
10:46 Peacock minetest-master/minetest.conf
10:46 blaise it's a dedicated server..
10:46 blaise can anyone set what time of day it is?
10:46 Peacock it still has a minetest.conf somewhere
10:47 blaise Peacock: no, it doesn't.
10:47 Peacock realtime is one thing, if i could find my weather script from two years ago, i could simulate the weather i have here lol
10:47 Peacock no minetest.conf, then how did you set your server_name?
10:48 blaise in world.mt
10:48 Megaf_ ok, so set that there
10:48 Megaf_ and tell us if that works
10:50 Megaf_ I wish I had a much faster internet
10:50 Megaf_ downloading a torrent at only 1.3 MB/s =/
10:51 blaise so /time 550000 is ten till 6?
10:51 Peacock faster than alot of the old shit i find lol
10:52 VanessaE 5500 would be about 5:30am
10:52 VanessaE it's decimal
10:52 blaise oh..
10:52 blaise 6000 is 6am though, right?
10:52 VanessaE yep
10:52 blaise k
10:53 VanessaE brb
10:54 Peacock could always write a time converter
10:55 Megaf_ <Peacock> faster than alot of the old shit i find lol
10:55 ShadowBot Megaf_: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
10:55 blaise I wanna add worldedit
10:55 Megaf_ still not fast enough when you want to download 5.4 GB
10:56 Peacock that's all? lol
10:56 Peacock X-Files = 70gb
11:01 blaise complete M.A.S.H collection 52GB
11:01 blaise lmao
11:02 VanessaE *sigh* I hate programmers sometimes.
11:02 Peacock mash is a bit beyond my years :P though it still played on TV growing up, i know because my mother watched it lol
11:02 Peacock which programmers?
11:02 * blaise attacks Peacock with an angry dog
11:03 VanessaE Peacock: the ones responsible for the linux kernel or Suspend to RAM, whoever it is that broke that feature on M3A770DE boards.
11:03 Peacock ah well, linux aint what it used to be :P the golden years were 06-08
11:03 Peacock then the old timers went and the younguns came in :P
11:04 blaise I'm not particularly fond of this fast moving version scheme they've got going at kernel.org
11:04 Peacock NIH, re-inventing the wheel with pulseaudio and gnome3, it's all poop now
11:04 blaise pulseaudio is the devil.
11:04 VanessaE it has lost a lot of what used to be good about it.
11:05 blaise VanessaE: can't you roll back to the kernel that worked last?
11:05 Peacock these days win and lin are pretty much equal, both have their tradeoffs
11:05 Peacock blaise tried using an old kernel for my p4 with the fucked up vid card, don't recommend it :P
11:06 Peacock a new vid card was cheaping than the weekend or two it would have cost me to fix the problem :P
11:06 Peacock *cheaper
11:06 blaise I compile custom kernels... so it's really not a big deal.. I hardly ever use binary packages unless I need to install something like libreoffice or something disgustingly large
11:06 VanessaE I thought "well it's my motherboard that's the problem", so I bought a replacement. No dice, it too has the same issue (it goes down for suspend, starts flashing the power light, but the OS hangs at screen+flashing cursor, then the machine suddenly powers off completely several seconds later, and usually won't resume properly (requiring me to hit reset)
11:06 VanessaE I haven't done a custom kernel in years.
11:06 VanessaE s/screen+/blank screen+/
11:07 blaise VanessaE: have you tried a tux on ice kernel ?
11:07 VanessaE tux on ice? not familiar with that
11:07 Peacock i can't and don't compile custom kernels :P what attracted me to linux is that it had gotten simpler over the years, now that's reversing
11:07 blaise it's specific for using suspend and hybernate features
11:08 VanessaE what's this got that pm-utils et al. don't
11:08 VanessaE ?
11:09 * blaise shrugs
11:09 blaise people seem to have better luck with it.. I've never had any problems
11:09 VanessaE looks quite old, targeted at the old 2.6 series kernel
11:09 blaise I have a thinkpad 600e that suspends and hybernates just fine using vanilla sources
11:10 blaise thinkpad, vaio, and an aspire..
11:10 blaise three laptops working fine with suspend, and hybernate..
11:10 Peacock my netbook is fine but not more than 2 years old
11:10 blaise although I'll admit, I never moved to the systemd
11:10 Peacock p4, that takes a 12 pack to fix
11:11 blaise actually the thinkpad 600e is a pentium2
11:11 blaise 366MHz
11:11 blaise lmao
11:11 Peacock Mesopotamian :P
11:11 VanessaE suspend works fine on my husband's box, but not on mine. new power supply, new(ish) motherboard, using husband's video card and CPU, RAM I know has been wrung out left right and sideways, tried with NO peripherals (not even my usual network+wireless cards), even tried booting from live USB.
11:11 VanessaE nothing works.
11:12 Peacock the ironic thing is today's netbooks very much resemble the dimensions of the laptops i had in 94-96
11:12 blaise hrmm....
11:12 Peacock though now i havew 250gb rather than 300-400mb lol
11:12 VanessaE it just. will. not. resume. (usually)
11:13 Peacock i bet filing bug reports for that is loads of fun :P
11:13 kahrl VanessaE: tuxonice's latest patches are for 3.10.23 and 3.12.4
11:13 Peacock "well suspend/resume works fine on my machine so you must be doing something wrong" *closes bug report* lol
11:13 blaise in the boot loader it's usually esential that there be a kernel perameter that points to your swap partition .. aka resume=/dev/sda3
11:13 Peacock alot of ppl dont use swap anymore
11:14 Peacock they have ridiculous amounts of ram they never use up
11:14 blaise some people even mkswap a whole seperate partition just for hybernation
11:14 blaise I've never had any issues with it
11:14 Peacock though honestly, computers now boot up so fast, what do you need hibernation for? so long as you configure startup to launch all the apps you need
11:15 VanessaE no swap here. 16GB of DDR1333 RAM (that my board seems quite happy to auto-overclock to DDR1600)
11:15 blaise if you have the acpi package installed you should be able to acpi -V to get all acpi information on the machine via sudo or the root console
11:15 Peacock well hibernation might be tricky without swap :P last i heard it saves the computer's state to swap unless thats changed
11:16 Peacock acpi is fucked up on my p4 lol
11:16 blaise VanessaE: swap partition is imparative to being able to hybernate..
11:16 VanessaE Peacock: suspend/resume takes 1-2 seconds on a properly designed system. booting takes 20-30 seconds from power-on to fully ready on even the fastest SSD's.
11:16 VanessaE blaise: not hibernate -- suspend.
11:16 VanessaE suspend to RAM.
11:16 VanessaE husband's machine has no swap either.
11:16 blaise suspend to ram is activated via acpi mechanics..
11:16 VanessaE yes?
11:17 blaise so, it does go into suspend.. and then just shuts down the rest of the way?
11:18 blaise does the cpufreq scaling work?
11:18 VanessaE well the command does.
11:18 VanessaE I have a script set to put the CPU scheduler into performance mode when it comes up
11:19 VanessaE wait
11:19 Peacock takes about 10 seconds on most of my rigs too
11:20 VanessaE "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU"
11:20 Peacock efi was designed for rootkits, which was a pretty big thing :P
11:20 VanessaE odd.
11:20 kahrl dunno why they needed to create a new OS when they designed efi, could've just used emacs
11:20 VanessaE wait, wtf?
11:20 VanessaE my cpu freq governor doesn't work?
11:21 VanessaE when did that break?
11:21 Peacock yeah but with emacs you get RMS, so get your lube ready lol
11:21 blaise VanessaE: what linux distro are you using?
11:22 VanessaE blaise: Xubuntu 12.04
11:22 * blaise runs away screaming
11:22 Peacock try archbang or crunchbang
11:22 VanessaE now now
11:22 VanessaE I use Debian 7 on my server.
11:22 VanessaE I just use ubuntu at home so I don't have to argue as much :)
11:23 Peacock lol if i ever have to make my own distro just to get working linux, ill go running back to win lol
11:23 VanessaE john_minetest: I said Xubuntu.
11:23 VanessaE not ubuntu.
11:23 VanessaE as in xfce, not unity.
11:23 blaise :)
11:23 VanessaE fuck unity straight up the ass with a rusty pipe.
11:24 VanessaE and NO lube.
11:24 Peacock unity is more or less gnome3
11:24 blaise I use fluxbox as my x env
11:24 Peacock unity and gnome3 take turns banging people lol
11:24 blaise it's nice and minimalistic.. low mem footprint for gaming..
11:25 Peacock archbang uses... wtf
11:25 Peacock something box
11:25 VanessaE john_minetest: [01-09 06:22] <VanessaE> blaise: Xubuntu 12.04
11:25 Peacock blackbox or openbox
11:25 VanessaE so yeah, typo on the second line.
11:25 Peacock i said archbang :P
11:25 Peacock arch might as well be freebsd
11:26 blaise eh,
11:26 Peacock i had enough of the cli in the late 80s and early 90s lol
11:26 blaise Peacock: I guess you didn't like pacman very much?
11:26 Peacock geeks today might think its the hottest shit, but thats because they didn't live through a period where that's all there was :P
11:26 blaise I did..
11:27 Peacock pacman was ok, but dependency resolution/ordering is shit for upgrades
11:27 blaise hurd is the GNU kernel + gnu userland
11:27 Peacock screw GNU lol
11:27 VanessaE ok, screw it.
11:27 kahrl you type too fast for the bot!
11:27 blaise lmao
11:27 * VanessaE burns 13.10 to USB and installs it.
11:28 blaise I use gentoo based distro's
11:28 VanessaE (good thing 99.9% of my system install is scripted)
11:28 Peacock gentoo means compiling everything right?
11:28 VanessaE Peacock: almost.
11:28 blaise yeah..
11:28 Peacock yeah, my liquor store ain't that big
11:28 VanessaE and it still takes three days to install :)
11:29 blaise I can get gentoo installed in 10 min on modern hardware
11:29 VanessaE every so often I play with the idea of going back to gentoo.
11:29 xiong Is $ minetestserver --config <file> a repeatable option or can it accept multiple values?
11:29 VanessaE then the visions of racing stripes and "Type-R" stickers fade and I come to my senses ;)
11:29 blaise john_minetest: always test the waters with a virtual machine..
11:29 kahrl xiong: no
11:30 blaise VanessaE: lmao
11:30 xiong Alternately, does the acceptable syntax allow for includes?
11:30 blaise I just like having the option of the latest and greatest..
11:30 blaise and it keeps me on my toes as far as software dep tree's and what needs what
11:30 Peacock gentoo: when you wish free as in beer actually meant just free beer :P
11:30 kahrl xiong, not either
11:31 blaise although that libpng malarchy a while back was a bit of a pita
11:31 xiong kahrl, Has anyone asked these types of questions previously?
11:31 VanessaE I hate beer :P
11:31 kahrl dunno
11:31 kahrl not me anyway
11:31 VanessaE blaise: the worst for me was when poppler was a problem.
11:31 xiong Thanks, kahrl. I guess we'll add this to the todo list.
11:31 VanessaE I forget what it conflicted with but it and the other thing each basically wanted to dominate half of portage.
11:32 VanessaE john_minetest: trial by fire? ;)
11:32 blaise VanessaE: yeah, that one was another headache.. XD took me about 2 hours..
11:32 Peacock re pacman, i dont mind pacman so much, its half the useful shit being in aur and most of the helpers being difficult to install through pacman ironically lol
11:32 kahrl xiong: the problem is that minetest(server) must be able to rewrite the config file
11:32 blaise john_minetest: mine was slackware.. in the early 90's .. I ran a BBS back then on win3.11fwg
11:32 VanessaE ok here goes. be back in an while.
11:32 blaise and powerbbs for win
11:32 VanessaE not that this is gonna do any good.
11:33 xiong Right. Which is another reason you want multiple files; so the parts that the executable writes on its own are kept separate from the rest.
11:33 Peacock i guess V's computer finally suspended :P
11:33 blaise Peacock: you didn't use ABS ?
11:33 Peacock abs? naw, packer came with archbang
11:34 Peacock though that stopped working, and you couldn't get yaourt through pacman either then
11:34 blaise AUR is the user repo.. ABS is the build system
11:34 VanessaE actually, strike that.
11:34 blaise yaourt is stale as all get out..
11:34 VanessaE I am NOT gonna update.
11:34 blaise VanessaE: lmao
11:34 Peacock i dont know the specifics of arch or archbang :P i just liked that it used less CPU than most of the distros
11:34 VanessaE I just remembered why I went back to 12.04.
11:34 Peacock (for the p4 that counts)
11:35 VanessaE because 13.10 uses NFS4 which fucking sucks ass.
11:35 blaise nfs4 ?
11:35 blaise you mean cifs. right?
11:35 Peacock wat no btrfs? :P
11:35 blaise Peacock: we're talking about network filesystems
11:35 VanessaE no, I mean NFS.
11:36 blaise VanessaE: why don't you use network block devices ?
11:36 blaise it's a lot faster than nfs
11:36 VanessaE because I've been using NFS for years, so force of habit.
11:36 VanessaE at least I already know how to use it, etc.
11:36 VanessaE nfsv4 is shit.
11:36 blaise heh
11:36 VanessaE slowest thing I've ever dealt with
11:37 blaise I use sshfs if I'm going over untrusted networks
11:37 VanessaE this is just for sharing between my PC and my husband's
11:37 blaise other than that it's nbd kernel module with an fstab line
11:37 VanessaE for making backups, sharing our music library, etc.
11:38 blaise indeed.
11:38 VanessaE I can't guarantee both machines will always be up, so nfs + autofs
11:38 xiong Actually, kahrl; the longer I think about that, the worse it sounds. The client writes to minetest.conf when user fiddles in the GUI. But when does 'minetestserver' ever write out, and why?
11:43 Peacock i prefer cellos in the GUI
11:43 xiong Funny, Peacock. But I can't think of a reason for the server to write to minetest.conf.
11:46 Peacock ah well consider yourself lucky, it used to overwrite settings :P
11:48 Peacock opensuse sounds dirty in french so i haven't touched it lol
11:48 Peacock it roughly translates to openBJs
11:49 Peacock oddly enough the mobo on my last netbook died when i had arch on it
11:53 Peacock what linux needs is an old-style soviet purge of all the superfluous distros and focus its efforts on a few good ones lol
11:57 blaise john_minetest: I used suse before they were aquired by novel
11:58 blaise I've come across an issue with this new map I generated after installing all these mods
11:58 VanessaE ?
11:59 blaise I have no snowy area's
11:59 VanessaE that's normal
11:59 VanessaE mapgen mods can only generate in new land
11:59 VanessaE they can't re-generate land you've already explored
11:59 VanessaE you have to start a new world or delete your existing map file to force it to start over
12:00 blaise I did.
12:00 VanessaE odd
12:00 VanessaE snow mod must be doing something wrong then
12:00 VanessaE I have heard some compatibility issues from it lately
12:00 blaise :\
12:00 * blaise sobs quietly in the corner
12:01 VanessaE however,
12:01 VanessaE it will add snow over time
12:01 * blaise cheers up a bit
12:01 VanessaE I think
12:01 blaise I hope so
12:02 Peacock hactually
12:02 Peacock you could tweak paramat's mods to regenerate land
12:02 Peacock voxmynips is voxmynips, whether you use it in ongen or some other function
12:02 VanessaE impossible. the engine doesn't re-run on-gen hooks.
12:03 VanessaE well
12:03 VanessaE I guess not impossible
12:03 VanessaE but I guess you'd have to tell it exactly where to regenerate
12:03 Peacock well that's as complex as WE
12:03 Peacock so it's doable
12:04 Peacock but the noise values don't change between ongen and whatever other function you call it from afterwards
12:05 VanessaE true
12:07 Peacock the trick is basically taking all the stuff in ongen and placing it in a separate function you can call from both ongen and other places
12:07 Yepoleb Is there a way to modify the frame time of animated textures?
12:08 Peacock yeah theres a length param i think
12:09 Yepoleb How can I set it?
12:09 Peacock uhm, look at lava flowing or water flowing, it should be in there (in default/nodes.lua)
12:10 Yepoleb I want to include it in a texture pack
12:11 Peacock well you can't affect the length of an animation from a texture pack
12:11 Peacock thats set in the nodedef
12:13 Yepoleb So I need to remove frames from the animation to slow it down?
12:18 kahrl xiong: when you use /set it changes the settings on the server
12:19 blaise john_minetest: it used rpm.. rpm doesn't follow standards
12:19 blaise which was why I didn't like redhat
12:20 blaise I had a fractional T-1 and a few multi-io serial boards, and about 600 external zoom modems..
12:20 blaise trying to become an ISP
12:20 blaise back in the day
12:20 blaise then AOL and Prodigy came out and squashed my hopes and dreams
12:21 blaise $5/m 50MB quota, unlimited connect..
12:21 * blaise sobs profusely
12:22 blaise I just couldn't compete with those massive bastards
12:22 blaise I hate capitalism
12:23 Peacock meh, i ran a UPS shop, that lead to a bankruptcy lol
12:23 Peacock shit happens
13:20 sfan5 hi everyone
13:21 VanessaE hi
13:51 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Set locale properly when built without gettext support 10fdbf7375 2014-01-09T05:46:02-08:00 http://git.io/58NYyQ
14:36 VanessaE sapier: so.... about mobf
14:36 VanessaE so I re-enable it for yet another try?
14:36 VanessaE do*
14:36 VanessaE and tempt fate
14:37 sapier the bugfix is in master git by now only
14:37 VanessaE or do I leave my server deader than 4 o'clock? :)
14:37 sapier I'm about to release a bugfix 2.3.6 this weekend
14:37 troller фтв ше ыешдд тще цщклы,
14:37 VanessaE I run from your git repo anyway
14:37 troller and mobf still not works?
14:37 VanessaE troller: um, wut?
14:37 Exio4 john_minetest: what cpu
14:38 sapier I guess it'll never work as it's not a worker
14:38 Exio4 you only have four cores
14:39 sapier troller your bugs should be fixed in git too
14:39 VanessaE the one my server uses registers as 4 cores of "Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2130 CPU @ 3.40GHz"
14:39 specing does minetest even retry conencting at "connecting to server..."?
14:39 VanessaE (and it performs like it, too)
14:39 Exio4 intel cores = amazing, intel "hyperthreaded cores" = shitty shit
14:40 Exio4 VanessaE: it is a dual core + hyperthreading
14:40 Exio4 two powerful threads next to do shit threads
14:40 troller MOBF: Too many 6 vombie at one place dying: false
14:40 VanessaE Exio4: perhaps, but it seems to work quite well and actually that's just about right for my workload
14:40 troller 18:40:15: ERROR[ServerThread]: invalid startposIndex: (11,5,5)Realpos: (256,1342,671)
14:41 sapier do you have pathfinding enabled troller?
14:41 sapier I didabled it for good reason ;-) it's using way more cpu power then expected
14:41 Exio4 -j5 -j6 -j7 -j8
14:41 Exio4 try them
14:42 troller sapier, all defaults
14:43 troller MOBF: Your mob ostrich_f table: 0x241e1e28 dropt into water moving to (3294.710938,98.300002,-17.181990) state: drop
14:43 sapier are you sure this is default setting?
14:44 troller mobf_animal_spawning_secondary",true
14:45 sapier ok I missed to lower the the water drop message
14:47 sapier I guess the to many message isn't relevant for users too
14:48 sapier ok the two mobf warnings should be gone now too
14:50 sapier I'm gonna have a look if I can avoid the pathfinding message too, but that might be more tricky
14:51 troller 2 hyperthreaded cores == 1.8 hardware cores
14:51 sapier depends on what you're doing
15:01 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
15:49 specing troller: would you have anything against tnt throwing stacks of 99 instead of individual drops?
15:51 troller nothing, better to stack all and drop stacked all from explode
16:06 troller server created 22 hours ago and.. 3339 players visited, (1800 of therm Guest*)
16:09 specing ....
16:30 ShadowNinja john_minetest: You lagged and sent a bunch of messages at a time, ShadowBot kicked you within a second.
16:35 ShadowNinja Hah.
16:40 xyz you just set include paths correctly
16:42 MinetestBot GIT: jeija@mesecons.net commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Remove command block until #136 is fixed 3f76b77001 2014-01-09T08:39:59-08:00 http://git.io/NbjMhA
16:54 ShadowNinja Good thing I don't have the commandblock enabled...
16:55 xyz yeah sure
16:56 xyz that's like saying "it's not very common to make sure code compiles"
16:57 PilzAdam its not very common to code
16:58 ShadowNinja That could be fixed by running everything as the placer and replacing ${nearest} and the like in the params.
17:14 Jeija If you are a server owner and you run mesecons, please update it immediately.
17:17 VanessaE already did it
17:18 Jeija good
17:21 Robby can I safely use moreores without conflict? I see that it also adds gold and copper, which are already in the game
17:22 Robby I guess when that mod was created in 2011 gold and copper were not in the default game so this wasn't a problem...but now?
17:23 Jeija Hi john_minetest
17:23 Calinou Robby, moreores is pretty dead
17:23 Robby o
17:23 Calinou feel free not to use it
17:23 PilzAdam Calinou, move it to old mods then?
17:23 Robby okay :P
17:23 Calinou done, PilzAdam ^_^
17:23 kaeza Calinou, why is it pretty dead? :(
17:24 Calinou because it has no real use
17:24 kaeza it's still being widely used
17:24 Calinou we have enough ores in the default game now
17:24 Calinou you can still download it
17:25 kaeza but...but...mithril...
17:25 Robby yea
17:25 Robby and tin
17:25 kaeza (and silver)
17:25 Robby and silver
17:25 Robby :D
17:25 Calinou john_minetest, it's already an ore-gasm :3
17:25 Robby lol
17:26 kaeza hah
17:26 Robby ore-gy
17:26 Robby :P
17:26 Calinou the bad thing of bones is, they are still placed when player dies with no items
17:26 Calinou and when player dies with 1 item only, the item should be just dropped
17:27 Robby Calinou: how about moreblocks? also dead?
17:28 Robby also, how about updating moreores to remove gold and copper and just keep the ones that aren't in the default game?
17:28 VanessaE moreblocks, dead? hardly.
17:29 Robby VanessaE: the reason I'm asking about both mods actually is because I just added your homedecor mod :P
17:29 Robby and I see both are listed as recommended
17:30 VanessaE moreores is still needed because I use the tin that's in it.
17:30 VanessaE (the fridge needs it)
17:30 Robby yeah, but how does moreores behave nowadays? (now that there is gold and copper in the game already)
17:30 VanessaE behaves fine afaic.s
17:30 Robby does it conflict? or not? or do I need to edit the lua files or anything
17:30 VanessaE afaics.
17:30 Robby oh
17:30 VanessaE nope
17:30 VanessaE just install and go.
17:31 Robby great
17:31 Robby :)
17:31 Calinou Robby, More Blocks is still alive, and fine
17:31 Calinou it has a real use
17:31 Calinou cool decorations ^_^
17:31 Calinou john_minetest, I created moreblocks/moreores/maptools
17:31 Robby k, I'll be adding that too :P
17:33 rubenwardy Hi all
17:35 xyz sfan5: how do I build minetest with leveldb for windows?
17:39 Robby Calinou: moreblocks is throwing some error in the console
17:39 Robby Could not load image "invisible.png" while building texture
17:40 Robby I see that image is referenced from here: moreblocks/init.lua: inventory_image = "invisible.png",
17:40 Calinou oh
17:40 Calinou I think it's a definition that is no longer needed
17:41 Calinou Robby, normally fixed
17:41 Calinou try to re-download the mod again
17:41 Robby ok ty, I'll git pull
17:41 Calinou that works too :)
17:47 Robby yeah, its fixed now :) thanks
17:53 ShadowNinja Jeija: I submitted a pull to fix #136. Also: Long time, no see. Welcome back. :-)
17:53 ShadowNinja https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/pull/137
17:55 Jeija ShadowNinja: Wouldn't really prefer that possibility
17:56 Jeija Well, now not so sure that I look at it...
17:56 ShadowNinja Jeija: Also, textures should be moved out of mesecons_textures and into the individual mods, you have to enable the parts and mesecons textures, which makes the server load all of the textures rather than just what's needed.
17:56 Jeija Can you still /teleport like some other player to another position?
17:57 ShadowNinja Do you mean "@nearest", "teleport", "1,2,3"?
17:57 ShadowNinja (That becomes "teleport", "@nearest 1,2,3")
17:57 Jeija yeah or "playerxy" "teleport" "1,2,3"
17:58 ShadowNinja Yep, just have to move things around.
17:58 Jeija is it compatible with older versions?
18:00 ShadowNinja Well, the commands will always run on the placer, so it might not work as expected until you add @nearest or similar to the parameters, and you will have to dig and replace it for the new formspec, but there isn't a different node or anything like that.
18:00 Jeija I'm still not sure
18:01 Jeija I'd say that is something uberi as the creator of the command block should decide
18:01 ShadowNinja Got any better ideas?
18:01 Jeija I won't interfer in his decision as long as it is secure
18:02 ShadowNinja Well, that could be a while, but I guess we can wait.
18:02 Jeija Well, didn't Uberi already have something in his code that if the command block wants to execute a command that the placer did not have the priv for, it wouldn't do it?
18:02 ShadowNinja /monitor + Uberi :-)
18:03 Jeija Do you know why it didn't work?
18:03 ShadowNinja Yes, but it doesn't work if the command checks privs itself, like /grant, because the privs are checked as the placer and the command is run as @nearest, or whatever you specify.
18:03 sfan5 xyz: http://sfan5.pf-control.de/libleveldb-1.12-win32.zip
18:04 Jeija ? But if the placer does not have a specific priv, why did it still execute it as @nearest? Shouldn't it just abort execution?
18:07 ShadowNinja GTG
18:07 Jeija bb
18:07 xyz sfan5: i need sauce
18:08 sfan5 xyz: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src/leveldb
18:08 sfan5 contains windows sources that do not use boost
18:08 xyz ok, cool
18:09 xyz hope it works with msvc and is not too broken
18:09 sfan5 the version I compiled works perfectly
18:09 sfan5 tested it myself
18:12 sfan5 oh fuck logic, deluge downloads things it isn't supposed to dl
18:13 sfan5 0.00% on every file it should dl
18:13 sfan5 and already 0.66% on the one it shouldn't
18:18 Robby VanessaE: a friend of mine is interested in the Chains item but the crafting guide has 4 unknown items
18:19 Robby ......and I just noticed there's an alternate recipe button :)
18:21 Robby and also what seems to be missing... glooptest
18:21 Robby might wanna add that to the recommended section of the home decor thread :p
19:10 zat Damn!! Both moretrees and tiny trees are slow as &%%$#...
19:11 zat Isn't there any light mod for trees?
19:11 meldrian what's tiny trees?
19:11 meldrian don't know this so fare
19:11 meldrian -e
19:13 sfan5 !g tiny trees mod site:forum.minetest.n et
19:13 MinetestBot sfan5: No results found for 'tiny trees mod site:forum.minetest.n et'.
19:13 sfan5 !g tiny trees mod site:forum.minetest.net
19:13 MinetestBot sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5713
19:14 sfan5 ^ meldrian; this one
19:14 meldrian i love this bot
19:15 meldrian well, it's moretrees with smaller trees then?
19:18 VanessaE not exactly
19:18 VanessaE but the idea is similar
19:22 * rubenwardy is getting weird errors with
19:22 VanessaE ?
19:22 * rubenwardy is getting weird errors with SDL_RenderCopy
19:25 zat My world has bunches of v6 jungles, zero issues.
19:25 zat I enable moretrees or trees and they spend about 60% of processing time.
19:25 zat There must be a serious issue with either both mods or plants_lib.
19:26 Calinou mods that do world generation are slow
19:26 VanessaE plants_lib has to evaluate the terrain manually. the hard way.
19:26 Calinou generation should be done in C++...
19:27 VanessaE because there is no proper API call that says "give me a list of all nodes of type X that have air above them"
19:27 VanessaE (e.g. "give me all surfaces of type X")
19:27 VanessaE that's the single biggest CPU hogging piece of code in plants_lib and I made it as fast as I possibly could
19:32 sapier Calinou if you could use async api and voxelmanip mods could do generation independent of main server loop thus not causing lag
19:32 Calinou but, can you?
19:33 sapier almost
19:33 xyz you almost can, but the problem is that you can't
19:33 sapier async api is in core as of 0.4.9 but not enabled for scriptapi right now ... most api calls can't be done async therfor it's use is limited
19:34 sapier and noone wanted to take the risk for upcoming release
19:34 blaise my minetest server crashed, and this is the last entry.. 18:40:02: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: Drag0n233: Failed to emerge player (player allocated to an another client)
19:34 blaise what does that mean?
19:34 sapier that one shouldn't crash server
19:34 xyz nothing
19:34 xyz provide a stacktrace
19:35 blaise interesting.
19:35 sapier calinou if you're interested in using voxelmanip in async this can be added quite fast, but you can't use most of lua api within a async call
19:35 blaise xyz: if it means nothing, why should I provide a strace
19:36 xyz blaise: exactly because what you provided means nothing and doesn't explain the crash
19:37 sapier what version do you run blaise?
19:41 proller i can reduce 100->50 online minetest players in one keypress! ahahaha
19:43 Calinou what to do about "Guest" players in the default game?
19:43 Calinou will they be removed?
19:44 EvergreenTree !g no_guest site:forum.minetest.net
19:44 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8168
19:44 EvergreenTree nlah
19:45 EvergreenTree *blah
19:45 Calinou EvergreenTree, I know about that
19:45 Calinou but I mean, in the default game...
19:45 Calinou the Guest people usually idle, or do pointless things
19:45 VanessaE bbl
19:45 EvergreenTree Once, someone was afk at spawn on VE's server, and he picked up some stuff me an cheapie were trading
19:46 EvergreenTree we couldn't get them back because of him
19:48 zat Well, if plants_lib is so slow because of that I dont see why the issue hasnt been fixed already.
21:17 kaeza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWZLa4AnN5k
21:17 sfan5 !title
21:17 MinetestBot sfan5: Xbox One Sign Out Trolling - YouTube
21:19 sfan5 ahahahaha
21:20 xyz i'm afraid you're applying to the wrong job
21:21 sfan5 ^
21:25 PilzAdam bye
21:25 Peacock john powerpoint skills are essential, how else is management supposed to understand anything with little pictures? :P
21:26 Peacock *without
21:26 ShadowNinja Heh, we don't care it you can code your own office suite, you need to know MS Office. :-)
21:26 sfan5 john_minetest: >other compiuter skills were secondary
21:26 sfan5 this is why http://reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport exists
21:27 Peacock but what would be the point of coding another office suite? we have enough incompatible formats :p
21:27 sfan5 computer*
21:27 * sfan5 goes to sleep
21:28 * Peacock suspends sfan5 to ram
21:28 Jordach mmmmmmm
21:28 sfan5 I won't fit onto the two 128M ram sticks I have here D:
21:28 * sfan5 suspends to HDD
21:28 Peacock they still make those?
21:29 Peacock its damn near impossible finding sticks for my old p4 now lol
21:29 Peacock well i can find it online, but having worked for UPS, i dont trust those guys lol
22:17 proller http://minetest.setun.net/map.road/map-road.png - whats next?
22:44 fwilson proller: o.o how'd you do that?
22:45 proller what?
22:45 fwilson the map
22:45 proller five years ob building
22:45 fwilson no, how'd you generate the map image :P
22:47 xyz five years of pixel art, of course
22:47 xyz there's minetestmapper.py in '
22:47 xyz 'util' directory
22:48 proller .c
22:48 proller btw need update node colors
22:48 proller of ice,snow, ...
22:49 proller http://paste.org.ru/?lcktas
22:49 proller its faster than write new imager
23:22 xyz 4 hours of autism and the result http://i.imgur.com/liMy6pk.png
23:22 xyz completely static build
23:22 Hirato even glibc? :3c
23:23 blaise hey, how do I make them die if there are too many? 23:22:33: ACTION[ServerThread]: MOBF: Too many 6 vombie at one place dying: false
23:23 xyz i no glibc on windows
23:23 xyz full msvc autism
23:23 xyz with /mt, /md, directx sdk, patches to irrlicht's zlib and shit
23:23 blaise I believe this may decrease my server load/latency
23:24 xyz still not all dependencies integrated
23:59 sapier blaise: if you get that message one is dieing right then