Time Nick Message 00:00 ligeti Piggybear87, are you in the dev team (I see you in the dev channel) 00:00 ligeti or maybe LemonLake? 00:01 ligeti anyone? 00:01 Piggybear87 No, I auto join there. What do you need though? 00:01 LemonLake Hmm? 00:01 LemonLake I also autojoin there. I like to take peeks. 00:01 ligeti I want to check the communication function/s 00:01 Piggybear87 I'm out. Lol. 00:01 ligeti the ... "protocol" used 00:01 ligeti lol 00:01 ligeti ok 00:01 ligeti I found the connection.h 00:02 ligeti but... 00:02 LemonLake umm ok 00:02 * Piggybear87 is not good with code. 00:02 Piggybear87 Maybe kaeza can be of assistance. 00:02 LemonLake What's wrong ligeti? 00:02 * kaeza is not here 00:02 kaeza <.< 00:02 LemonLake Sure, ask #-dev 00:03 ligeti nothing is "wrong" :) 00:03 Piggybear87 He lies... He's everywhere, sorta like god... 00:03 LemonLake Brb, just gonna throw up 00:03 ligeti I am just testing the game (security wise) 00:03 ligeti I am a pentester :P 00:03 ligeti an I though to ... take a look 00:03 kaeza Piggybear87, what's the issue? 00:03 ligeti Piggybear87, lol 00:04 Piggybear87 I don't know. ligeti needed help. 00:04 LemonLake Is it reliable to abuse the allow_metadata_inventory_put and allow_metadata_inventory_move functions to read stored data in an item then show it in a list? 00:04 Piggybear87 Vazon, you there? 00:04 kaeza oh, well, sapier is more knowledgeable about the protocols and security 00:05 ligeti hmmm connection.h was made by celeron55 (who is marked as away now) 00:05 LemonLake Yes, but sapier knows stuff. 00:05 LemonLake Take our word for it 00:05 LemonLake celeron55 made a lot of stuff. 00:05 Piggybear87 Ah, OK. I know that you did the IRC mod, so I thought you could help with the communication issue he's having. 00:06 Piggybear87 Like the whole game... Lol. 00:06 ligeti lol 00:07 kaeza ligeti, your best bet is to ask on #minetest-dev and hope someone can answer within the following 365 days 00:07 LemonLake ^ 00:07 kaeza J/K, answers only take a week 00:07 ligeti kaeza, loool 00:07 ligeti it's OK 00:08 ligeti I know dev people are always busy 00:08 LemonLake busy sucking themselves off that's for sure 00:08 ligeti (I wonder why though but oh well) 00:08 ligeti LemonLake, lol 00:10 LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/lk-pqS2fVqeb.png 00:11 * LemonLake hangs self 00:11 ligeti o.0 00:19 Piggybear87 Is there a way I can download drivers that I don't yet need (the hardawre isn't installed yet)? 00:19 LemonLake Yeah. From the regular place you'd get them. 00:21 Piggybear87 I usually get the from the "additional drivers" place in my menu > system tools 00:21 Piggybear87 But that only works when the hardware is installed. 00:22 LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/bQQJUcexfu9w.png Much better :D 00:35 LemonLake ginna catch up on sleep and stuff 00:35 LemonLake good night 00:35 kaeza nite 00:48 ligeti ok guys... goodnight 01:37 Piggybear87 Well, it seems as if sfan5 was right... I got the card to work (for now...) and my OpenGL version shot up to 2.1.1 and all of my textures work, sky and clouds are normal, and FPS went from ~10 to ~40+. I just hope it keeps working... 01:40 Vazon thats great Piggy 01:53 Piggybear87 Oh, hello Vazon. What was the address for Landrush? I re-installed my OS and lost my favorites list. 01:54 Vazon minetest.org port 30012 01:54 Vazon 30012* 01:54 Vazon 30011* 01:54 Vazon stupid buttons -.- 01:54 Piggybear87 Oh, port 30011, I was going to 30000. And lol. 01:55 Vazon lol 01:55 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 01:55 MinetestBot minetest.org:30000 seems to be down 01:55 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011 01:55 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 is up (418ms) 01:55 Vazon OldCoder hosts 3 servers all on minetest.org and ports are 30010 30011 and 30012 01:55 Vazon !up minetest.org 30010 01:55 MinetestBot minetest.org:30010 is up (196ms) 01:56 Vazon !up minetest.org 30012 01:56 MinetestBot minetest.org:30012 is up (206ms) 01:56 Piggybear87 Why is landrush so slow? 01:56 Vazon Piggy map is big and remember its still very unstable so it keeps reloading 01:57 Piggybear87 That's OK. I want to work on my lab. 01:59 Vazon as long as no one else is on you should be find, just do not drop items 02:00 Piggybear87 OK. 02:05 * asl is still unable to join landrush :( 02:05 Piggybear87 It needs to be fixed... I thought BrandonReese was fixing landrush_game and sending back to OldCoder? 02:06 Piggybear87 asl, You joined and it crashed. 02:09 Vazon Piggy he is by a bunch of droped items thus it will crash 02:10 asl there no dropped items near me at all iirc 02:13 Piggybear87 WTF? I can't check my reactor 02:13 Piggybear87 I keep getting hurt near it. 02:15 Piggybear87 RealBadAngel, Did you change Technic to hurt people near the reactor? I was trying to check the uranium supply in it and every time I try it hurts me. 02:24 asl piggybear87: it was added long ago, https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/ee0765804c0a21deeb2f33c22ac1a36cb0db5f43/technic/machines/HV/nuclear_reactor.lua#L196 02:25 Piggybear87 Why hurt people though? You NEED to get near it. 02:25 asl i think it always has been there from the start 02:25 Piggybear87 No. I used to check it every day. 02:26 asl try jumping into a real active nuclear reactor and see if it hurt :P 02:26 Piggybear87 How are you supposed to refill it? 02:26 asl you wait till it run out i guess 02:27 asl it stop hurting once it's empty 02:28 Piggybear87 That's stupid... 02:30 Piggybear87 Howdy BrandonReese! Did you fix the landrush_game? 02:37 BrandonReese It's up at minetest.org 30011 but it's been crashing 02:38 Piggybear87 I know, that's why I said "fix". Lol. 02:38 BrandonReese Oh I'm not sure I'm getting on now to check it out 02:39 asl brandonreese, tell me if you need me to crash the server lol, it crash whenever i try to join 02:39 Piggybear87 It does still crash. Vazon and I can't figure it out. 02:40 Vazon Brandon i cant figure it out, i know part of it is the intweaks mod, but I dont think thats the full problem 02:40 BrandonReese Can you get me the debug.txt? 02:41 Vazon i had a old debug but it should nothing 02:41 Vazon BrandonReese: http://minetest.org/landrush.txt 02:42 The_Beast Hey 02:43 Vazon Brandon if you want i can modify your game on my end and create a non crashing version with in about 30min to a hour but not everything will be the same (mods will be more updated) 02:44 RealBadAngel Piggybear87, there should be some protection suit added for that 02:44 asl yay for updated mods 02:44 BrandonReese Is there anyway you can just remove intweak from my agem for now to see if that's the main cause of the crashes? 02:45 Piggybear87 RealBadAngel, OK, I didn't see it but I will check. 02:45 Vazon yes i can, can i have the most resent version of your game( not the one from oldcoder)? 02:45 Vazon have one from oldcoder but i have messed with it so things have changed 02:45 Vazon I have* 02:46 BrandonReese Oh I thought maybe you had shell access to OldCoder's server 02:48 Vazon im able to add stuff to it and download stuff from it, just not able to access the server directly right now, OldCoder wants to a "minetest server panel" so we can make changes but until then i have to go through him 02:49 BrandonReese The copy of my game I have is before OldCoder removed the mods I don't need. I guess intweak is the only one I forgot to tell him to remove 02:49 BrandonReese I'll just wait for him to make the change since I'm sure that's probably the problem 02:50 Vazon ok, its his birthday so hes not around, i will have him change it as soon as he shows up. 02:50 BrandonReese That's fine. He told me he wouldn't be around for a few days 02:50 Vazon ya 02:55 WindHero !tell Amaz Thanks, but it still needs plenty of work. I got it to tile the image horizontally, but it still needs to tile vertically. The coordinates are also off and un-centered. 02:55 MinetestBot WindHero: I'll pass that on when Amaz is around 02:55 Vazon !up minetest.org 30012 02:55 MinetestBot minetest.org:30012 seems to be down 02:55 Vazon mhmm strange all the servers have shutdown 02:55 Vazon must be moving 02:56 Piggybear87 I need help. Anyone know what's wrong? http://pastebin.com/LtqP7gui 02:57 WindHero welp, the server is down, so I'm staying here :P 02:58 Vazon piggy i get that alot as well, nothing to worry about. doesnt hurt anything 02:58 Piggybear87 Yes it does, it crashes the game. 02:59 asl that's what happen on windows :P 03:00 Piggybear87 The game crashes after a few breaks. The only thing I haven't seen before is the interlace handling part. 03:01 Zeno` well I have that interlace handling "error" all the time and it does nothing... I just ignore it 03:01 Zeno` it's never caused a crash (for me) afaik 03:01 Vazon lol 03:03 WindHero stable minetest only crashes for me if a mod has an error or I run out of RAM 03:03 WindHero but when I use the daily builds.... 03:03 WindHero the most random things crash it :P 03:04 Piggybear87 But everytime she breaks a few blocks, the console goes haywire and the game shuts down. A window pops up saying "minetest engine core main application has stopped working". 03:04 Piggybear87 We tried stable. 03:04 Piggybear87 Right now we're using sfan5's build. 03:04 Piggybear87 Unstable build* 03:05 WindHero that's the unstable build I use... 03:05 WindHero for some reason I can't even get BlockMen's to work 03:05 WindHero usually missing dll's 03:06 Piggybear87 I believe we tried every build (stable and unstable). Except the 64bit ones. 03:06 asl i blame windows, must be some dep that is killing the program 03:07 Piggybear87 It was working fine on 0.4.8 a while ago. Now we keep getting these errors. 03:12 Vazon Piggybear 03:13 Vazon !up minetest.org 30011 03:13 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 is up (949ms) 03:13 Vazon ^^ 03:26 Zeno` I'm into day three attempting to get minetest-irc to work lol 03:33 Exio4 unless the irc mod needs you to recompile the kernel, run minetest under a vm and all of this while holding a potato i don't think it is so hard 03:33 Zeno` 4 different people have tried (all experienced with linux) 03:34 Zeno` So it's not just me unfortunately 03:34 * Zeno` pokes kaeza 03:34 Exio4 i'll try to run it 03:34 Exio4 UNDER WINDOWS 03:35 Zeno` Exio4, ok... make sure it's the latest git version 03:35 Zeno` although working under windows and working under linux... dunno what it'll prove lol 03:37 Exio4 i don't have a working linux here 03:38 Exio4 the graphics driver fucked up here and i can't reboot this laptop too much (limited boot count) 03:38 Zeno` hmm, ok 03:39 Zeno` have you got a potato? 03:40 Exio4 i got a carrot-shaped apple 03:40 Zeno` that'll do 03:40 Exio4 nice thing tho: have mingw and lotz of stuff here :D 03:45 Piggybear87 YAY!!! I got my girl to install Lubuntu! A die-hard Windows user is installing Linux right now. :) 03:50 Vazon lol Piggybear87 it sounds like you had to beg her lol 03:52 Piggybear87 Nope, she just wants to play Minetest. Lol. 03:52 Vazon lol 03:53 Vazon did you forget to mention that minetest can be played on windows? 03:53 Piggybear87 No, the windows build isn't working. 03:54 Vazon o 03:54 fishyWET wat do you mean by isn't working? i'm using windows, and minetest works fine for me... 03:55 Piggybear87 It's not on her machine. 03:57 fishyWET maybe this may help: http://wiki.minetest.net/Troubleshooting#Error_messages_without_crashes 04:02 Exio4 well shit 04:02 Exio4 5-15FPS here 04:02 Exio4 so too much for today 04:09 WindHero https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=144154#p144154 04:09 WindHero managed to cut out coastlines! ^ 04:10 fishyWET cool, nice work! 04:10 WindHero thanks 04:10 WindHero that's right, I still need to pull the changes to the mapgen you made today... 04:10 WindHero the additions look great 04:11 fishyWET i suggest not, the buildings generating using tons of abm, rather laggy 04:11 WindHero suggestion, in that case 04:11 WindHero put a callback in on_generated() 04:12 WindHero to do a if math.random() < --very small numer-- then minetest.place_schematic 04:13 WindHero unfortunately, I'm not sure if map-based biome generation is going to be very useful.......... 04:14 WindHero due to the rather low compression of bmp images, minetest will throw an exception and quit when it runs out of memory 04:14 fishyWET i'm worrying abt the size of the map, if it is too small, yeah it might not be very useful 04:15 WindHero with a map 1200x1800, 04:15 fishyWET :/ 04:16 WindHero you can load about 7 or 8 mapchunks 04:16 WindHero so 6400*80 nodes * 7 or 8 04:16 WindHero but I'm using a mid-range laptop 04:16 WindHero a desktop could handle it WAY better 04:17 WindHero if png images could be used, it wouldn't be a problem.... 04:17 WindHero but I don't have the know-how to create a png loader :/ 04:18 fishyWET take a screenshot and make it a png file? blurry but works. 04:18 WindHero no 04:18 WindHero it's not that way 04:19 WindHero it's actually making Minetest load a png into a mod 04:19 WindHero by default, minetest can't load any images except textures 04:19 WindHero and it can't do much with those textures 04:19 fishyWET oh :/ 04:19 WindHero however, kaeza made a mod to load bmp images and actively use the data to create node-art out of wool blocks 04:20 WindHero so I edited it majorly to load biome data instead 04:21 WindHero hence, I'm limited by the fact that the mod was limited to just bmp's 04:21 hoodedice Guess who's back! 04:22 WindHero heya! 04:22 fishyWET hi 04:23 hoodedice Actually, I fired up quassel to get into #blender, but it seems I forgot to part #minetest last time I was here =P 04:24 WindHero if I learn how to use lua to read bytes from a file 04:24 WindHero it could work better 04:24 fishyWET WindHero: is it possible to make it load the png textures and ignore the bmp files? 04:24 WindHero and I could code it to read png with much blood sweat and tears 04:25 WindHero that's the thing 04:25 WindHero I can't read individual pixel values from textures 04:25 WindHero and I can't load pngs in a format in which I can 04:26 kaeza pong 04:26 WindHero hallo 04:26 kaeza hi 04:26 WindHero unintentional ping, lol 04:26 hoodedice yo 04:26 WindHero although zeno` intentionally pinged you 04:27 kaeza hm? 04:27 kaeza anyway... 04:27 WindHero not sure if you saw the screenshots on the forum, but i modified your imageloader 04:27 WindHero to create a map of biomes 04:28 WindHero it's a blend of my own code, your imageloader, and paramat's biomes for mapgen7 mod 04:28 kaeza proper (de)compression in pure Lua is (almost) impossible 04:28 kaeza however! 04:28 hoodedice Link lua to a C++ code, and bow down to the awesomeness! 04:28 kaeza you can use LuaJit's ffi to load libpng in some way 04:29 WindHero ! 04:29 kaeza or do as hoodedice says 04:29 WindHero I'll have to look into that... sounds promising :) 04:29 kaeza (better yet: linking with some generic image library like FreeImage/libgd/etc) 04:30 WindHero hmm 04:30 WindHero it'll come down to which offers the most flexibility at the least memory use 04:31 WindHero if one of those options can swiftly load, say, an 80x80 'chunk' of an image, that would be amazing 04:31 kaeza hmm 04:31 WindHero as it stands, the only way I can load images for the mod is to read the whole bloody thing into a list I can reference later 04:31 WindHero very memory inefficient :P 04:32 WindHero and when I tried loading a portion of the image every time on_generated() ran, it was too slow to keep players playing 04:32 WindHero like, 20 seconds every time I reached the edge of a chunk 04:33 kaeza better to keep the image loaded all times and fetch the regions as required 04:33 WindHero that's basically how I have it 04:33 kaeza shouldn't use too much memory I think 04:34 kaeza (depending on the definition of "too much") 04:34 WindHero well, considering maps usually should be _at least_ 1000 nodes square... 04:34 WindHero BMP already uses up a decent number of MBs 04:35 WindHero 6.17 for the map I'm currently using 04:35 WindHero when I tried expanding it to 33000 square to cover the whole map... roflol 04:35 Piggybear87 Now that she's on Lubuntu, Minetest is running perfectly and 4X the FPS... I told her Linux was better. LOL! 04:35 WindHero GIMP just said NO 04:36 WindHero nice 04:36 kaeza >FreeImage is GPL'd 04:36 kaeza guess that means no 04:37 WindHero :/ 04:37 WindHero guess I'm stuck with C++ 04:38 WindHero or libpng 04:39 WindHero although not everyone has LuaJIT, afaik 04:42 kaeza ... 04:44 hoodedice -.- 04:51 Zeno` I pinged you a while ago kaeza 04:51 Zeno` kaeza, just wondered if you got a msg from VE regarding minetest-irc? 04:55 kaeza Zeno`, no 04:55 kaeza Zeno`, but there's these bits from #minetest-technic: 04:55 kaeza [15:27:00] <Shadow_Ninja> Vanessa_E: I pushed a commit that reorders the require() search path and fixes that. 04:55 kaeza [15:27:43] <Shadow_Ninja> It was loading ./irc/messages.lua instead of <irc mod path>/irc/messages.lua (./irc/irc/messages.lua). 04:55 Zeno` ahh ok. She was trying to install minetest-irc on my server last night and wasn't able to do it either :( 05:00 kaeza Zeno`, http://0bin.net/paste/SjqL3c2g90eiNmmB#W3p+IxVkBQeRj175RZOW6yk8ht+lSxCJSCSPYskRrhU= 05:01 Zeno` I tried again this morning (no luck) but will do so again now making sure I have all the latest git commits 05:10 Zeno` kaeza: http://0bin.net/paste/lPWQ7OdZjtYmRGfs#BmDRpspHKFypf6SCf5QqMtgUd61HgBWTLSx42o9K2oE= 05:10 Zeno` socket is in /usr/lib64/lua/.... 05:10 Zeno` well, sort of 05:11 Zeno` ls /usr/lib64/lua/5.1/socket/ 05:11 Zeno` core.so 05:21 kaeza Zeno`, have you already tried adding /usr/lib64/lua/5.1/ to package.cpath? 05:22 Zeno` no, how do I do that? 05:22 kaeza go to irc/init.lua and add this at the top: 05:23 kaeza package.cpath = "/usr/lib64/lua/5.1/?.so;"..package.cpath 05:24 Zeno` same thing 05:25 kaeza err... 05:25 Zeno` did you see my ls above? I have no socket.so 05:25 Zeno` there is only core.so in that directory 05:25 kaeza no, because it's socket.lua, which loads core.so 05:25 Zeno` ahh ok 05:26 kaeza gimme a sec 05:26 kaeza before this line: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc/blob/master/init.lua#L11 05:26 kaeza add: 05:27 kaeza .."/usr/lib64/lua/5.1/?.lua;" 05:28 Piggybear87 Night all. 05:29 Zeno` where would you expect socket.lua to be? 05:30 kaeza /usr/lib64/lua/5.1/socket/socket.lua 05:30 Zeno` it ain't there.. let me check something 05:30 kaeza hmm 05:32 Zeno` there is no -devel package and the hmmmm 05:33 kaeza `locate socket.lua`? 05:36 Zeno` I don't think it exists :) 05:37 Zeno` I've tried this on Ubuntu, Fedora20 and also CentOS btw 05:38 kaeza $ locate socket.lua 05:38 kaeza /usr/local/share/lua/5.1/socket.lua 05:38 kaeza Linux kaeza-VirtualBox 3.11.0-15-generic #25~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 30 17:42:40 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux 05:39 kaeza luasocket installed via luarocks 05:42 Zeno` ok I'll build luarocks and start from there 05:43 kaeza doesn't your distro have a luarocks package? 05:44 Zeno` yeah it does 05:44 Zeno` just installed it 05:45 Zeno` now, how do I use it? lol 05:45 kaeza simply do `luarocks install luasocket` :) 05:46 kaeza eh... `sudo ...` 05:46 Zeno` yea, of course :) 05:47 Zeno` it crashes... should I uninstall the current luasocket first? 05:47 kaeza yea 05:48 Zeno` I think I'm going to have to give up. When I do luarocks install luasocket it appears to download something and then try and compile that something. That something will not compile rofl 05:48 Zeno` src/mime.c full of errors 05:50 Zeno` ahh 05:51 Zeno` I may try and compile the whole lot from scratch :( Do you know the official luasocket repo location? 05:51 Zeno` and if that doesn't work I give up 05:52 kaeza https://github.com/diegonehab/luasocket 05:52 Zeno` thanks. I'll give it a go 06:05 Zeno` building from scratch doesn't provide socket.lua either lol 06:07 VanessaE kaeza: honestly, the IRC mod was a LOT easier to handle when it provided copies of LuaIRC and luasocket within the archive. 06:08 Zeno` ok I got it to work 06:10 Zeno` I think 06:10 Zeno` yes 06:10 Zeno` finally 06:11 VanessaE submodules and depending on an external library clearly complicates the issue :( 06:11 realtinymonster Woo! 06:11 Zeno` anyway it works now... what a mission that was 06:11 Zeno` I don't want to do it again hehe 06:11 * realtinymonster tried Terasology... 06:12 realtinymonster Zeno`: i bet 06:14 sfan5 meow 06:15 realtinymonster I am happy that I managed to get a virus-free copy of Extreme-G 2 PC. It took a while... 06:17 * realtinymonster feels like a virus magnet.. 06:17 kaeza VanessaE, poke ShadowNinja about that; I'm regretting splitting the package like that 06:19 kaeza I don't know to which extent it "eases mainteinance" at the cost of annoying just about everyone that tries to install it 06:19 VanessaE how hard would it be to un-split it? 06:19 kaeza it's just a couple reverts/rebases 06:19 * realtinymonster throws XG2 at kaeza 06:20 * kaeza meows at realtinymonster 06:20 kaeza XG2? 06:22 realtinymonster kaeza: http://google.com/search?q=extreme+g+2+pc 06:23 * kaeza thought Xenogears 2 06:24 * sfan5 throws ICs at kaeza 06:24 realtinymonster heh, what be dat? 06:24 sfan5 did you hear of google? 06:24 kaeza realtinymonster, http://google.com/search?q=xenogears+2 06:25 realtinymonster yeah, but i dont want to exit irc... 06:27 * realtinymonster got Warsow today! 06:27 kaeza >tells someone GIYF for a completely random game 06:27 kaeza >doesn't bother to google a well known series 06:29 realtinymonster well-known? to whom? a minority? 06:29 realtinymonster ^ kaeza 06:30 kaeza >added to le ignore list 06:30 Zeno` I think you should unsplit it heh 06:31 * sfan5 curls up to Zeno`'s lap 06:31 Zeno` umm... errr... /me pets sfan5? 06:31 sfan5 yes please 06:31 Zeno` ok, here, have a cookie as well 06:31 * sfan5 noms it 06:32 kaeza meh 06:38 VanessaE ok off to bed for me 07:19 RealBadAngel ` 07:53 celeron55 http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/06/06/mojang-hints-at-crackdown-on-pay-for-perk-minecraft-servers/#null 07:53 celeron55 8) 07:54 celeron55 this seems utterly ironical in the context of what you can do with MT 07:55 asie yes 07:55 asie celeron55: that's why i abandoned the minecraft modding community a month ago 07:55 asie i foresaw with what's happening in the modding scene that mojang is starting to take a lot of law things seriously 08:03 celeron55 of course, some of those servers are pretty bad as far as i have heard 08:04 asie of course 08:04 celeron55 like outright pay-to-win; it's not really a benefit of anyone except the server owner 08:04 asie but they run what is essentially "the minecraft economy" 08:04 asie the worst ones 08:04 asie they get a lot of money 08:04 asie they pay plugin/mod devs/server admins/etc 08:04 asie from which they get money to sustain their work 08:04 asie cutting them off will cause a huge blow to that 08:07 celeron55 but if they do that by basically exploiting children for getting money, i can at least see why people get mad 08:09 celeron55 the easiest way to get money in a capitalist system is to cheat to the detriment of others; those just have to be weeded out for things to be healthy no matter how much money they get 08:09 Calinou many Minecraft server hosts greatly cover their hosting costs using donations 08:10 Calinou (which can be high, like 75 euros/month) 08:13 sfan5 conclusion: don't touch MC? 08:13 celeron55 i wonder what would happen if this was happening in the MT community 08:13 VanessaE 75 euros a month for a server? O_O 08:14 asie VanessaE: yes 08:14 VanessaE jesus, what is that, colo rate? 08:14 asie 150 players + multiple worlds + Java. 08:14 VanessaE oh, right. Java. 08:14 asie servers that big need /at least/ 8GB of RAM to survive, and a beefy CPU (beefy in terms of one-core speed, not multi-core, but that will be fixed in 1.8) 08:14 asie and many servers opt to optimize for multi-core by running each world on separate instances 08:14 asie those servers buy machines with 16 or even 32GB of RAM 08:14 asie or even dedis altogether 08:14 asie of course, if you know how to optimize your server and find good deals 08:14 VanessaE Minetest, if it could multithread better (in this specific circumstance), it could handle 300+ with the tiny little dedi I run, and that only costs me US $29/mo. 08:15 asie i managed to host a 25-player *modded* server on a $10/mo VPS with 2GB of RAM 08:15 asie without a single crash or issue 08:15 asie 25-player *modded* is roughly 40-player regular 08:15 Calinou <sfan5> conclusion: don't touch MC? 08:15 asie you just have to know what you're doing 08:15 Calinou I approve.jpg 08:15 VanessaE exactly 08:15 Calinou <VanessaE> 75 euros a month for a server? O_O 08:15 asie but most server owners don't 08:15 Calinou dedicated machine 08:15 asie from what i've seen 08:15 Calinou multi-core CPU and at least 4GB of RAM are preferred for large MC server ;) 08:15 sfan5 s/jpg/png/ 08:15 sfan5 pls 08:15 VanessaE Calinou: mine's dedicated, dual core, 8GB. 08:16 Calinou sfan5, I stopped touching it since January… 08:16 VanessaE but I don't need to run Java :P 08:16 Calinou VanessaE, yes, but it's at home 08:16 VanessaE Calinou: um, no.... 08:16 Calinou don't you host your Minetest servers at home? 08:16 VanessaE Calinou: not unless I've somehow been teleported up to Canada. 08:16 VanessaE I mean literally, a dedicated server. OVH datacenter up in Ontario. 08:16 Calinou <asie> 25-player *modded* is roughly 40-player regular 08:16 Calinou how is modded lighter? less TPS by default? 08:17 asie Calinou: no 08:17 asie 25 players on modded == 40 players on regular 08:17 Calinou ah 08:17 asie but modded can, indeed, be lighter 08:17 Calinou but anyway, it's sad to see Minecraft still uses 20 TPS 08:17 asie TickThreading is a mod which rewrites all mods dynamically (and Minecraft!) to multithread all worlds and entities 08:17 asie of course, it only worked for a few weeks before Mojang Broke Everything(tm) 08:17 asie and the dev ran out of patience 08:17 Calinou Minetest uses 0.1 server step (equivalent to 10 TPS) since long time ago, before, it even used 5 08:18 asie with TickThreading, you are only bound by RAM really 08:18 asie CPU stops being an issue altogether 08:18 asie but of course mod devs are asshats who only support vanilla MC because they're too lazy to work for a better thing beyond their own egos 08:18 asie except for a few notable exceptions, of course 08:18 asie but ego inflation is a major issue in the MC mod world 08:18 asie this doesn't happen here because we don't get the issue of centralized modpacks (every server can have their own game) 08:19 Calinou <asie> but ego inflation is a major issue in the MC mod world 08:19 Calinou indeed 08:19 Calinou also because lots of mods are proprietary 08:19 asie actually 08:19 asie less mods are propiertary than you think 08:19 asie most of the major ones are, though 08:19 asie but i managed to convince a few mod authors to go open when i was hanging around there 08:19 Calinou no mod on the forums is proprietary here 08:19 asie then i got banned from #TinkersConstruct... by jadedcat 08:19 asie who neither owns the channel nor anything 08:19 asie she's the main developer of FTB modpacks 08:20 asie claims her opinion doesn't matter, yet every major mod changelog now contains "fixed bugs reported by jadedcat" 08:20 asie but FTB makes quite a lot of money from their Curse partnership... surely they could hire a dev to fix those mods 08:20 asie but NOOOOO THEY'RE PROPIERTARY 08:20 Calinou typical Curse 08:20 asie so mod authors brag for attention of centralized modpack devs to get into the pack 08:20 asie then the modpack devs brag for attention of mod authors to get the bugs fixed 08:20 asie ...that's when i went out, said no, and developed FOSSIL on a boring weekend 08:21 asie a modpack consisting 100% of open-source modd 08:21 asie mods* 08:21 asie i should clarify, FOSS mods 08:21 asie because there are quite a few open-source mods which aren't FOSS, and I've been flamed for not treating open-source mods as FOSS 08:21 asie for instance, Not Enough Items, MineFactory Reloaded... 08:21 asie Reika's mods, etc 08:21 Calinou “free/libre mods†08:21 Calinou is what I would say, personally 08:21 asie Calinou: good term 08:21 asie https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuqVyNf3BeXLdHNXYkxQTTRITEoyc0kwUC1pY3lDWkE&usp=drive_web 08:22 asie someone forked it off me and removed the MMPL mods, though 08:22 asie as the MMPL contains a clause that you need to have a legal copy of the game 08:22 asie i decided it doesn't matter because the Mojang EULA does, too 08:22 asie the other dev said it does because it's not FOSS then, but you're barred from using it either way 08:22 asie another problem is the Minecraft community favors popular solutions over good solutions, but that's a problem everywhere 08:22 nman3600 hi AHH fu*k i might've sprained my wrist and it FLIPPING HURTS 08:22 asie see: Minecraft itself, Linux/systemd, Windows (the whole thing) 08:23 Calinou is there anything better than systemd that covers as much use cases? I doubt it 08:23 Calinou upstart is frequently hated on too 08:23 Calinou OpenRC probably doesn't cover enough use cases 08:23 asie Calinou: i'm DIYing a system for personal usage in my personal distro 08:23 asie based on runit and a few other things 08:23 asie but fully modular 08:23 * nman3600 is preparing to update multitest 1.0 to multitest 2.0! 08:24 celeron55 to be honest, systemd is pretty good compared to a shell-based init system or upstart 08:24 asie runit has a lot of the advantages of systemd/upstart's *service management system*, and it only does service management 08:24 celeron55 but i'm sure there are better options 08:24 Calinou that's what I think too celeron55… as long as we use something else than standard init 08:24 asie which means you need to fit all of systemd's other features from elsewhere 08:24 asie which is what i'm doing, as i believe modularity is an important thing 08:24 asie also lightweightness 08:24 nman3600 i'm on #multitest if you want to suggest things 08:24 asie systemd is neither 08:25 asie s6 is also an interesting init system 08:26 celeron55 (shell-based ones are a pain to develop and maintain, and upstart is from the user perspective like a broken systemd) 08:26 Calinou the most important is perceived lightweightness: does it boot fast? 08:26 asie yes 08:26 asie runit has parallel service bringup and automtaic dependency resolution just like systemd 08:26 asie automatic* 08:27 asie http://smarden.org/runit/ 08:28 celeron55 but, do you have any chance of getting it into anything that people actually use? 08:29 * nman3600 now updates multitest 08:29 asie celeron55: do i look like i care 08:29 asie i'm working on a distro that's mostly personal 08:30 asie due to dissatisfaction with most currently available solutions 08:30 celeron55 no you don't 08:30 asie :) 08:30 sfan5 asie: did you try arch? 08:31 celeron55 i think you should try to make it as easily available as you can as some kind of useful package to those that are interested 08:31 asie sfan5: i am using arch 08:31 sfan5 oh 08:31 asie i am also using pacman as the package manager of my distro 08:31 celeron55 i used arch, but then when arch was bastardized, i simply moved to fedora 08:31 asie think "arch with everything i consider bloated thrown out" 08:31 celeron55 it's like the same thing now except that arch is more buggy and instable 08:31 celeron55 unstable* 08:31 asie i'm using busybox as a replacement for a lot of the simpler coreutils 08:31 sfan5 wait wait 08:31 asie using the originals only when busybox lacks important features 08:31 sfan5 you are able to find "bloated" stuff in a basic installation of arch? 08:31 asie sfan5: systemd 08:32 asie a giant blob of features where most people don't even use half of them 08:32 sfan5 "stuff" is usually not just one thing 08:32 asie other than that, not really 08:32 asie sfan5: also glibc is bloated 08:32 asie the musl libc is a lot zippier and has all of the features of it that matter 08:32 sfan5 why not uClibc? 08:32 celeron55 i'm waiting for some useful distro to get rid of glibc; it seems like an obvious thing to do 08:33 * nman3600 struggles to update multitest 08:33 asie sfan5: musl has a lot more features and better quality code in a similar filesize 08:33 celeron55 http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html 08:33 asie http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html 08:33 asie yeah, that 08:33 asie musl beats uClibc heavily 08:33 asie anyway, i might have a working test version of my distro in a few weeks 08:33 celeron55 i hate glibc's lack of forwards compatibility 08:34 asie celeron55: also, sabotage linux 08:34 asie it's not the best in terms of usefulness, as its package manager is essentially a source-based slackware 08:34 asie but it has most packages a person needs 08:34 asie i use its package definitions heavily as some things (especially GNU things) break 08:34 asie i also contributed back to them (delivering a working ALSA, for instance) 08:35 celeron55 i define that as "not useful" 08:35 asie heh 08:35 asie that's why i'm working on my own thing 08:36 Krock hi 08:36 asie https://cdn.mediacru.sh/NMC5shye7-np.png <- this is me running arch linux and chrooting into my dev environment 08:36 asie the last things i need to do is tweak runit to satisfy my needs and add in a bootloader package like GRUB2 08:36 asie from there i should be able to run without chrooting 08:36 asie wait no 08:36 asie that's the empty desktop! 08:36 asie https://cdn.mediacru.sh/prHQdWVMofvn.png 08:36 asie that's the right pic 08:36 sfan5 well 08:36 asie lower-right terminal is arch for me doing some comparisons, the other two are dev 08:36 sfan5 your desktop is interesting too 08:39 celeron55 things like that are very not worth it if one's goal is to just get things done on linux instead of having linux as an end goal by itself; also from this perspective doing those things is useless unless they are somehow packaged to an easy to set up format; but then again, those who do that stuff aren't generally interested at all in doing such 08:39 asie celeron55: my goal is to eventually get things done effortlessly 08:39 celeron55 then the rare people that want to do both but are bad at both like poettering get to own the scene 08:39 asie i'm hacking away at it until it becomes friendly, at least from my point of view 08:40 asie https://cdn.mediacru.sh/3z5d2o-NabIj.png 08:40 asie me doing a minimal setup as a test, still lacks base-config and grub 08:40 asie todo: replace openssl with libressl once the latter becomes stabler 08:41 asie there is already a mostly functional libressl port for linux which uses fillins from BSD's libc but it's not yet confirmed functional and neither is libressl itself 08:41 sfan5 <asie> todo: replace openssl with libressl once the latter becomes stabler 08:41 sfan5 ^ yes 08:41 asie this shouldn't take too long though, at this rate 08:41 sfan5 openssl is .. 08:41 sfan5 .. just bad 08:41 asie anyway, that's the minimal setup 08:41 asie linux-libre is the default kernel but i will add an option to use a regular linux kernel 08:42 celeron55 it's a warm and fuzzy feeling to know that just about everything is running openssl right now 08:42 asie goal at which point i'll know all driver-related stuff works: minetest works without hacks 08:43 asie so yeah, base-config, tweak runit and grub; also profont because i like that font too much 08:43 sfan5 *googles profont* 08:44 sfan5 nice font 08:44 asie yeah 08:44 asie and it's finally libre since January 2014 08:45 celeron55 i'm used to terminus since years now; i'll probably never change to anything else until i end up using a very high DPI display 08:45 celeron55 on which this won't work 08:46 celeron55 or, well, works, but looks too weird 08:46 * Calinou uses Droid Sans Mono 08:47 Calinou in Minetest I use Droid Sans 08:50 Calinou bye 08:50 sfan5 ProFont looks pretty good in Atom: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Rd_SwkhkRdRq.png 08:50 celeron55 it seems better than terminus at larger sizes 08:51 nman3600 sfan5 you use sublime text! 08:51 sfan5 wat 08:51 sfan5 that is http://atom.io 08:52 nman3600 oh it looks like sublime text 08:52 asie that was intentional 08:53 nman3600 lol 08:53 nman3600 i use sublime text 08:53 nman3600 http://www.sublimetext.com/ 08:54 * nman3600 just finished watching hunger games catching fire on dvd for the 5th time! 09:00 nman3600 woah hi loads of ppl keep leaving and joining 09:01 asie netsplit 09:02 nman3600 2.0 OF MULTITEST IS OUT :D 09:02 Krock splitsplat 09:03 nman3600 i worked hard on fixing bugs in 2.0 of multitest 09:03 nman3600 m5 are you there? 10:16 LemonLake Is it reliable to use globalsteps for blocks instead of abms? 10:16 LemonLake nodes* 10:17 VanessaE depends what you're dong 10:17 VanessaE doing* 10:18 VanessaE globalstep is reliable on its own, sure 10:18 LemonLake a filter in factory, so items going in can go different ways 10:18 Krock update time! 10:18 VanessaE but it runs every 1/10th of a second or something regardless of whether there's something to do or not 10:18 LemonLake hmm 10:18 LemonLake think I'll just stick with abms 10:19 PilzAdam LemonLake, the problem is, that you first have to find the nodes in globalstep 10:19 LemonLake yeah 10:19 LemonLake hence why I'll stick with abms 10:28 m5 Hello everyone! 10:28 LemonLake hi 10:29 m5 Making use of /wallchan :P 10:29 LemonLake whats that 10:29 m5 try it 10:29 m5 Writes to all channels you're in 10:29 LemonLake test 10:29 LemonLake sweggy 10:29 Krock - Unknown command (wallchan) 10:30 LemonLake not in your client den 10:30 m5 also its client only 10:30 m5 try /allchan 10:30 Krock also, not reqired for me - I see all the channels at once when looking at tab bar 10:30 Krock w 10:31 Krock - Unknown command (allchan) 10:32 LemonLake Usage: ALLCHAN <cmd>, sends a command to all channels you're in 10:32 LemonLake Usage: WALLCHAN <message>, writes the message to all channels 10:33 m5 /allchan op m5 10:33 LemonLake just rewatched corpse party 10:33 m5 I wonder if you can use a substitute for the channel name 10:35 Krock m5, you have windows 8.1 with a 3GHz CPU 10:35 Krock 32 bit 10:35 m5 64bit 10:35 Krock hmm 10:35 m5 32bin Hexchat 10:35 m5 Maybe 10:35 Krock but hexchat is running on 32 bits 10:35 LemonLake hexchat...okay 10:35 m5 lol 10:36 m5 /ctcp m5 KROCK 10:36 LemonLake tbh i found hexchat unusable 10:36 LemonLake m5 10:36 LemonLake im drunk 10:36 LemonLake k? 10:36 m5 * Received a CTCP KROCK from LemonLake 10:36 LemonLake stfu 10:37 m5 I'm going to define responses for these in ZNC... 10:37 LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/nVfTK085Q6sQ.png y does this always happen to me 10:37 m5 Now try slap 10:38 * sfan5 slaps m5 10:38 LemonLake whoa 10:38 LemonLake vulgar much 10:38 m5 :P 10:38 m5 It works I guess 10:38 m5 It doesn't notify me of version 10:38 m5 Well It shouldn't 10:38 LemonLake try versioning me 10:38 LemonLake i wanna see if it works 10:38 m5 Yeah, time does not work 10:38 m5 Theats client side 10:39 m5 TIME and PING work 10:41 m5 I wonder if DCC chat still works 10:44 m5 Accepted it 10:44 m5 Timed out 10:44 Krock DCC no work for me 10:44 LemonLake nope 10:44 LemonLake timed out 10:44 m5 Open a port then do it through the port 10:45 LemonLake no thanks 10:45 m5 Set it to only do it through the port 10:45 Krock UPnP 10:45 * PenguinDad never tried to use DCC 10:45 m5 Wut? 10:47 LemonLake https://mediacru.sh/CgJwf7SvTyfJ acceptable formspec? 10:48 m5 ... 10:48 m5 Not for new players but nice 10:48 LemonLake might need some sort of instruction manual... 10:48 LemonLake basically, the top lists are the overflows for that side, middle is the main overflow and left and right are the filters 10:49 m5 Add labels 10:49 LemonLake not sure if I can fit them without having to move everything 10:49 LemonLake and that's a pain in the ass 10:49 LemonLake i'll make docs somewhere 10:49 Krock lol http://xkcd.com/888/ 10:51 m5 I've always hated that little instruction string at the bottom of the inventory 10:51 LemonLake Instruction string? 10:51 m5 Left click all items right 1 item of something 10:52 LemonLake never seen it 10:55 m5 gs_tools 10:55 m5 Actually really useful 10:56 sfan5 o/ Jordach 10:56 LemonLake yo 10:57 Jordach o/ 10:58 * Krock meows at sfan5 10:58 * sfan5 meows at Krock 10:59 LemonLake m5: I suppose this is a bit better: https://mediacru.sh/c3517cad50d2 10:59 LemonLake second and third are what the block looks like 10:59 m5 Love it 10:59 m5 Now it looks simple for some reason 10:59 LemonLake haha 11:00 LemonLake just with the two squares on the formspec, eh? 11:00 m5 Yep 11:00 LemonLake well now I have to actually make it do something...ugggh 11:03 Jordach 65 posts remaining 11:03 Jordach to 4k 11:03 LemonLake neat 11:04 m5 Try being useful for one of them 11:04 * sfan5 throws 3840x2160 at Jordach 11:04 m5 Not wasting all 65 11:04 Jordach m5, check the general discussion 11:04 Jordach people probably don't *want* to use google 11:08 m5 Well I found a duplication bug 11:08 LemonLake Cool 11:09 m5 Tis not 11:09 LemonLake Tis 11:10 LemonLake How exactly can I determine if a node is facing the left side of another node, the right side or the back? 11:11 m5 I have no idea 11:11 m5 COmplex code to determine facedir and relative rotation of the poles around the specified node 11:11 LemonLake http://pastebin.com/svUZUpT7 I have that for the back 11:11 LemonLake but I don't know how to do it for left and right 11:12 LemonLake Maybe some fiddling with the -a.x, -a.y and -a.z values but not sure what to actually put 11:13 nman3600 hi my wrist hurts 11:14 m5 Hello wrist 11:15 nman3600 m5 did you get my query earlier? 11:15 m5 I may have done 11:15 m5 About multinode, yes 11:15 m5 Server is down 11:16 nman3600 and your server isn't on the public list 11:16 m5 I'l talk to OC about that 11:16 m5 also my other server has apparently shut down 11:17 nman3600_ ugh 11:17 nman3600_ mark i'm on your server though 11:17 m5 you can still join... ok 11:18 nman3600_ with 34 diamond blocks :) 11:18 m5 ... 11:18 nman3600_ i've been mining 11:19 m5 rubbish 11:19 m5 =P 11:19 nman3600_ mark i've decorated my whole garden now 11:20 nman3600 so... 11:24 m5 nman3600, /msg nickserv ghost nman3600 <pass> to disconnect timed out connections 11:24 LemonLake ah, shadowninja is smart 11:24 LemonLake ShadowNinja, if I have something like this: http://pastebin.com/svUZUpT7 11:24 LemonLake oh 11:24 LemonLake that's no shadowninja 11:24 nman3600 m5 okay 11:24 LemonLake ruude 11:24 LemonLake haax 11:25 LemonLake celeron55: If I have something like this: http://pastebin.com/svUZUpT7 my intention for another node is that when its back is facing the right side of another node, do something 11:25 LemonLake celeron55: On line 3, I think I have to tweak some values to accomplish that. Do you know which ones? 11:30 Jordach LOL 11:31 LemonLake ? 11:31 Jordach ping timeout 11:32 LemonLake I think c55 just can't connect at all 11:33 LemonLake Jordach? You able to help? 11:40 LemonLake I suppose I could just hardcode them, but that's a bit painful 11:57 Jordach LemonLake, i no do formspecs 12:05 Jordach why do pringles taste so fucking goood 12:05 LemonLake i dont even know 12:05 LemonLake what flavour are you eating? 12:06 Jordach original 12:07 nman3600 mmm original flavout 12:07 nman3600 flavour 12:07 LemonLake love those soo much 12:09 m5 nman3600, Edit your article on multitest again 12:10 nman3600 m5 k 12:10 m5 http://marktest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_0010.jpg 12:10 m5 Y U NO WORK CDN 12:10 LemonLake Did you take that? :o 12:10 m5 Yep 12:10 LemonLake And why are you using a cdn? 12:11 m5 It's faster 12:11 m5 20ms ping but cdn is faster 12:11 m5 also 10GB is not a lot 12:12 LemonLake That's what compression is for. 12:12 m5 I feel bad compressing that 12:13 LemonLake o.o 12:13 m5 there we go... 12:13 m5 http://i2.wp.com/marktest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_0010.jpg 12:13 celeron552 holy crap my ADSL is shitty now 12:13 m5 yep 12:13 celeron552 now it doesn't even connect anymore 12:13 LemonLake m5: I love how your bio is like "Whether you're into photography, gaming, programming or graphics, Mark Test has the resources you need." 12:13 LemonLake when you can hardly debug a console error :L 12:13 m5 ... 12:14 LemonLake like srsly, what's the deal here, I'm confused 12:14 m5 My bio 12:14 m5 I am the creator of Mark Test, the two things I enjoy most are photography and gaming. I am relatively experienced with video editing with some experience in audio, I am good with Cinema 4D and enjoy making animations. 12:14 m5 nothing about programming 12:14 LemonLake "Whether you're into photography, gaming, programming or graphics, Mark Test has the resources you need." 12:14 m5 I'm not the only one in this blog! 12:14 LemonLake Ah okay. 12:14 LemonLake Makes sense. 12:14 m5 Well, I like to think so anyway 12:15 LemonLake Oh, so you are? 12:15 LemonLake ø.ø 12:15 m5 OldCoder made some posts about Bash and Perl 12:15 m5 There are other authors 12:16 PilzAdam LemonLake, wtf are "Advanced APIs"? 12:16 LemonLake I asked you yesterday what I should call them. 12:16 Jordach >Cinema 4D 12:16 Jordach you suck 12:16 Jordach end of 12:17 LemonLake Nobody was helping so I just called them that. 12:17 LemonLake Just rename them. 12:17 m5 Fuck Blender 12:17 Jordach also, /topic states to advertising 12:17 m5 Too cheap for me 12:17 LemonLake Hey, blender is quite good actually. 12:17 LemonLake Cinema4d is expensive for all it's worth 12:17 Jordach no* 12:17 m5 I guess it has the same principles 12:18 Krock LemonLake, please gimme a feedback about the latest mapgen release :P 12:18 Jordach m5, i'm pushing my quad core to the fucking limit now - http://jordach.deviantart.com/art/Water-Rendering-Improvement-454732811 12:18 LemonLake Give me a sec, I'm struggling to find a song. 12:18 Jordach and people say to use Cycles over Internals 12:18 Jordach <- disagrees 12:18 PilzAdam LemonLake, calling a bunch of functions "APIs" is wrong 12:18 * m5 renders on 24 cores 12:18 PilzAdam LemonLake, all functions together form one API 12:18 LemonLake PilzAdam, like I implied, please rename them. 12:18 PilzAdam already done 12:18 LemonLake But preferably keep them on that page 12:18 LemonLake thanks. 12:21 LemonLake The caves look a lot like dungeons 12:21 LemonLake I like it! 12:21 Krock LemonLake, mossy cobble around wouldn't be hard to add 12:21 celeron552 https://gist.github.com/celeron55/08457aacf814776a9363 12:22 celeron552 i wonder if this makes any sense 12:23 m5 makes sense 12:23 m5 now write the more detailed stuff 12:23 Krock celeron552, publish it on the forums and wait for [del]negative[/del] positive feedbacks 12:23 m5 The actual requirements like preferring tabs over spaces 12:24 celeron552 code style? the largely accepted style is documented here: http://dev.minetest.net/Code_style_guidelines 12:25 celeron552 we have everything already defined that the gist refers to 12:26 Jordach >do not use spaces to indent 12:26 Jordach >04do 04not04 use spaces to indent 12:26 Jordach LOL 12:26 LemonLake noticed that :P 12:27 m5 s/LOL/lol 12:28 LemonLake s/lol/LOL 12:28 celeron552 it's a bit outdated though, and written by hmmmm; but if someone writes code according to that, it's ok 12:28 m5 why no or/|| 12:30 celeron552 read again 12:35 Hirato Use STL, avoid Irrlicht containers, and no, Boost will not even be considered, so forget it 12:35 Hirato yeaaaaah 12:36 Hirato what about "and" and "&&"? :P 12:41 sfan5 Hirato: same for that 12:41 dcorking hi - I am loving my first adventures with lua hacking and minetest 12:41 LemonLake lua 'hacking'... 12:41 * LemonLake kills self 12:41 sfan5 hacking is exactly the right word for that 12:42 dcorking sad - you will be missed 12:42 Hirato lua hacks into lua bits with lua machetes 12:42 LemonLake no i wont 12:43 sfan5 hacking is http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hacking&defid=1625834 but _NOT_ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hacking&defid=802005 12:43 LemonLake sfan5 fuck off with your dictionaries 12:43 * sfan5 flips LemonLake 12:43 Hirato define docking 12:43 * Jordach prefers RMS' idea on hacking 12:44 sfan5 Jordach: https://rms.sexy/ 12:44 dcorking you beat me to the dictionary post sfan5 12:44 dcorking no-one can read my irc nic 12:45 Hirato you're a rapper whose real name is D-Corking 12:45 dcorking I don't know if SegFault22 is still in the minetest word. Is she/he? 12:45 PilzAdam dcorking, LemonLake, Hirato, it's "Lua", not "lua" 12:45 dcorking you got it Hirato 12:45 LemonLake pilzadam 12:45 m5 lol 12:45 LemonLake learn to accept laziness 12:45 * sfan5 meows at m5 12:45 dcorking sorry PilzAdam I tend to use mostly lower case in chat :( 12:46 Hirato PilzAdam->sperginess++ 12:46 * m5 messages MemoServ with ms and mistypes 12:46 * Hirato runs away 12:46 dcorking though tbh, in linux it is lua not Lua :/ 12:46 m5 oh god it begins 12:46 dcorking I am way off topic though 12:46 m5 Hexchat fulscreen ftw 12:46 Hirato pffts, in linux it's luajit :M 12:46 m5 kl 12:46 m5 oops 12:47 m5 Why do backspace and enter have to be so close?? 12:47 dcorking I was only going to mention that I fixed a bug in SegFault22's mod 12:47 LemonLake m5: learn to keyboard 12:47 m5 l22t 12:47 m5 Okay point taken 12:48 dcorking morestuff mod didn't work for a couple of years - since mesecons nextgen came out - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1983 12:48 dcorking so I guess it isn't very popular, but all the same, my version seems to work 12:50 reactor Hello. 12:50 dcorking so my question is, best way to release this? A post at the end of the original forum thread, or ? 12:51 dcorking or a new forum thread? 12:51 reactor Why would some areas go dark and refuse to be lighted even if I run //fixlight? 12:51 reactor This is breaking my map! 12:51 dcorking code is at https://github.com/dcorking/morestuff_nextgen (I renamed it when I forked it - but I could name it back) 12:56 celeron552 looks lioke SegFault22 has been around lately, so just post it in the thread and see if he wants to update it 12:56 celeron552 like* 12:57 dcorking sounds fine - thanks 12:57 Jordach celeron552, /nick celeron55 12:57 Jordach oh wait 13:04 reactor Seriously, what the hell 13:04 reactor It started when I replaced a big area of slabs with air. 13:07 Jordach reactor, it doesn't update_lighting() when doing operations 13:08 reactor What should I do? 13:09 LemonLake lick it 13:10 celeron552 would it be possible for someone to rework the dev.minetest.net landing page to be clearer, like in two big sections, "Modding" and "Core Development", having some kind of reasonable topic hierarchy below them linking to other pages in the wiki 13:11 celeron552 maybe have those as separate "sub main pages", and have the main page just have a big link to each of them, or something 13:12 celeron552 currently it's just messed up and doesn't reflect the project or community structure or anything at all 13:15 Jordach sfan5], mew 13:15 sfan5] meow 13:22 LemonLake celeron552: The groups are editable but I think only xyz can change the actual main page 13:22 reactor Why do I have to type /teleport twice? 13:23 LemonLake u w0t 13:23 reactor Sometimes ten times to work. 13:23 Krock reactor, cuz you move around before you get teleported 13:24 reactor Also, some players refuse to be teleported. 13:32 celeron552 LemonLake: i can too 13:33 celeron552 LemonLake: but that new page should be made first as a new page anyway 13:33 celeron552 then copied in place 13:33 celeron552 so that people don't try to use it while it isn't complete 13:33 celeron552 i now put this in the wiki: http://dev.minetest.net/Merging_core_pull_requests_to_upstream 13:34 celeron552 but i don't really know what to do with this 13:34 celeron552 i'm not confident that people would get to doing stuff because of that 13:35 celeron552 asking comments doesn't really matter because that's just basically the stuff written down that has been done since the beginning of the project 13:36 celeron552 i'm open to anyone doing anything they want with this though 13:41 LemonLake I'm thinking of making a more modular modding tutorial for the wiki 13:41 LemonLake Infact yeah, why not 13:48 celeron552 updating the modding tutorial would be great 13:48 LemonLake I'm gonna have it be a multi-page introduction, with more information per subject but still simple to us 13:48 LemonLake e 13:49 celeron552 make sure to have a very short example as introduction though before explaining too much detail 13:49 LemonLake Per-page? 13:50 celeron552 maybe start with a page that quickly runs through a minimal example and then get into one page per subject? 13:50 LemonLake An example, then how to set up, explanation of each item etc? 13:50 LemonLake In the example, perhaps add one tutorial node and one tutorial craftitem with a recipe for both? 13:53 sfan5 ^ 13:53 sfan5 that sounds like a good idea 13:53 LemonLake Sounds good, starting work on that now 13:58 celeron552 not directly related to the tutorial, but having a page for each "part" of the API would be good too; just grouping related methods below a subject, like "nodes", "chat", "players"; currently there are those only for different kind of objects, but the API isn't exactly object-oriented so it doesn't cover even half of them 13:58 LemonLake Maybe that can be part of another wiki 'project' 13:58 celeron552 yeah, that's way more boring than making a tutorial, too 13:59 LemonLake hehe 14:06 sfan5 celeron552, LemonLake: this could help: http://sprunge.us/AZfL 14:06 sfan5 I have no clue why it is on my HDD 14:06 sfan5 but it may help 14:06 * sfan5 afk 14:06 LemonLake Believe it or not it kinda does 14:19 m5 ~up redcrab.suret.net 30401 14:19 ShadowBot m5: redcrab.suret.net port 30401 is up (669ms) 14:23 LemonLake Is this good enough for an example? http://pastebin.com/PuW3Stf2 14:23 LemonLake I mised a bracket in register_craft, lemme fix that 14:24 LemonLake Fixed: http://pastebin.com/PuW3Stf2 14:26 Krock http://xkcd.com/391/ 14:35 ShadowNinja LemonLake: That was me, my core's down and I'm not using my reqular client. 14:35 LemonLake um ok 14:35 LemonLake http://pastebin.com/PuW3Stf2 Is that good enough for an example mod? 14:35 m5 LemonLake, Add an ABM 14:35 LemonLake This is the bare basics 14:36 LemonLake An ABM is in intermediate 14:38 reactor So, is there worldmod support now? 14:43 * Jordach is working on the water again 14:47 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/IslCB_EyJszV.png 14:47 ShadowNinja LemonLake: That should switch the direction of the node if the param2 is set. But It won't preserve retation. 14:47 ShadowNinja rotation* 14:50 LemonLake ShadowNinja: that's a bit overkill for the basic modders 14:50 LemonLake this IS gonna be the first page of the modding intro anyway 14:51 ShadowNinja Ah. 14:51 ShadowNinja Well, I wouldn't start with param2 manipulation. Start with something like positions. 14:52 LemonLake ø.ø 14:52 LemonLake Since when did param2 manipulation have ANYTHING to do with this? 14:52 LemonLake http://dev.minetest.net/Intro#Define_a_node 14:52 LemonLake It's practically the same as that anyway 14:53 ShadowNinja LemonLake: You're fetching, double-converting, and comparing the param2 of a node. 14:53 LemonLake I'm what? 14:53 LemonLake Ohhh, you're gone far back in the logs. 14:53 LemonLake I see. 14:53 LemonLake No shadowninja, that has nothing to do with anything 14:54 LemonLake You've got yourself confused 14:54 LemonLake Dw, I've solved that ages ago 14:55 ShadowNinja Ah, O.K. 14:55 ShadowNinja ~give LemonLake pastebin.com 14:55 ShadowBot LemonLake: Don't use pastebin.com. Use a sane pastebin like http://bpaste.net, https://dpaste.de, https://gist.github.com, http://sprunge.us, http://ix.io, http://fpaste.org ... 14:56 ShadowNinja LemonLake: That seems fine. 14:57 LemonLake What's wrong with pastebin.com? 14:58 ShadowNinja <phrik> Ads, Spamfilters, Captcha, Adds whitespace, Slow, Ugly, No comment/fork/annotate, Breaks copy/paste, Blocked for some people, etc. See !pastebin.com 14:58 LemonLake ø.ø 14:59 LemonLake Wanna know something though? 14:59 LemonLake I don't give ten fucks. 15:00 ShadowNinja We could have a bot that automatically re-pastes things in our preffered pastebin. I think #python does that. 15:34 raffahacks hi 16:13 m5 ~py print __name__ 16:13 m5 !py print __name__ 16:19 rubenwardy Hi all! 16:19 PenguinDad Hi rubenwardy 16:21 rubenwardy hello. 16:24 Piggybear87 'ello! 16:25 Vazon Hi guys 16:34 Piggybear87 Hi Vazon. I'm sorry if I take a while to respond, I'm feeding the baby. 16:34 Vazon thats fine :) 16:35 PenguinDad Piggybear87: that's how IRC works ;) 16:35 Piggybear87 I know, but it's still a chat, which is back and forth. Not wait 10 minutes for a reply. Lol. 16:36 rubenwardy Quite a lot of people are not even at the keyboard just now, they just leave it connected so they can check for highlights later. 16:36 rubenwardy I've had people respond to me three days later 16:42 Piggybear87 Mine only goes back 200 lines, so I have to check frequently. 16:46 Piggybear87 Vazon, Is the Landrush server running without crashing yet? 16:47 Piggybear87 Nope... 16:47 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011 16:47 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 seems to be down 16:56 Calinou <Calinou> http://openarena.ws/download.php?view.4 16:56 Calinou <Calinou> I was on this page, download count was 466666 17:02 sfan5 meow 17:06 OldCoder Piggybear87, Vazon I have not deleted the intweak module yet 17:06 OldCoder sfan5, hi 17:06 OldCoder Also I'd like to be clear about what to do with the snow mod 17:06 OldCoder If there are two releases to be merged, I can attempt this 17:06 OldCoder Link the one to merge 17:07 Piggybear87 OK sfan5... Shut up... It was the graphics card/ OpenGL version.... 17:08 Vazon yes can you Brandon gave the ok to delete it 17:08 Piggybear87 Ok, OldCoder. I waiting patiently... :) 17:08 Vazon sorry im having a busy morning 17:09 Vazon OldCoder the server s special if you remove the currect snow mod it will not run once you add the updated one 17:10 Piggybear87 As much as I hate the snow mod, why would you remove it? I haven't seen an bugs with it. 17:11 Vazon Piggy its conflcting with other mods 17:11 Piggybear87 How so? 17:12 OldCoder Vazon, yes; explain 17:12 OldCoder I must go today but can update the world first 17:12 OldCoder Why can't I merge two releases? 17:13 Vazon OldCoder gave me a debug and it seems to be conflicting wth another mod thus i was asked to fix it 17:13 OldCoder Hm 17:13 OldCoder Let me take a few minutes and review things 17:13 LemonLake now to see if my in-built sd card reader works on linux 17:13 OldCoder Piggybear87, Vazon you'll want to try the new iteration 17:13 Vazon OldCoder you can try but i dont think it will work 17:13 OldCoder I'm not necessarily going to merge 17:13 LemonLake it does not D: 17:14 OldCoder I'm going to delete intweak and look at other issues 17:14 OldCoder LemonLake, sorry to hear it 17:14 Vazon ok 17:14 OldCoder Piggybear87, Vazon best to hang around 17:14 OldCoder Once I leave I won't be available to fix 17:14 OldCoder Though I *may* be online later from Sacramento 17:14 LemonLake do i seriously have to spend 19 minutes switching to windows to get a god damn picture off of a camera 17:14 LemonLake >.< 17:14 OldCoder LemonLake, No 17:15 Vazon i am 17:15 LemonLake ah 17:15 LemonLake just had to blow on it and put it back in 17:15 LemonLake just like nes cartridges 17:16 OldCoder Simple enough :P 17:16 OldCoder Stopping worlds 17:17 OldCoder Didn't some members wish me to host Moontest and Lord of the Test? 17:17 OldCoder Deleted intweak from Landrush 17:18 Vazon ok 17:19 Amaz OldCoder, I'm just getting the files ready to send to you, (For Lord of the Test), if that is still okay with you? 17:19 OldCoder No rush at all 17:19 OldCoder In fact, I'll be away most of the day 17:19 Amaz Okay. 17:19 OldCoder If you have a beta up in the next hour might be able to start it before I go. But could just as easily be tomorrow or next week. 17:19 Vazon OldCoder I'm putting it in on the ftp as soon as its done zipping, could you upload it as soon as you get time 17:20 Amaz Right. 17:20 OldCoder Vazon, I am patching on this end. What are you doing? 17:20 Calinou OldCoder, did you try Carbone around? :p 17:20 OldCoder What is that? 17:20 Vazon opps over thinging, im putting my minerealms game update on the ftp server 17:20 Vazon thinking* 17:20 OldCoder Oh; Minerealms 17:20 OldCoder kk 17:21 Amaz I'll see what I can do, but it will most likely be later today that I'm able to send it.... 17:21 OldCoder Calinou, I am bringing your world back. I know you're not interested but a tip or two will be helpful. 17:21 OldCoder Vazon, indicate when uploaded 17:22 Vazon ok 17:22 LemonLake So, I mounted the SD card... 17:22 LemonLake and the system hanged 17:22 LemonLake then spent a while trying to find the SysRQ key on this windows keyboard, apparently it's the printscreen key 17:22 OldCoder Ah 17:23 LemonLake hmm 17:23 OldCoder Calinou, would you be willing to take a quick look at your world now and comment? 17:23 OldCoder Piggybear87, most of the crashes in Landrush seem to be in a function ipairs 17:23 OldCoder From intweak 17:23 OldCoder I will restart shortly. What other changes do you request? 17:24 OldCoder Vazon, are you about ready? 17:24 LemonLake I'm surprised you guys didn't take part in Reset the Net 17:24 LemonLake (the website) 17:26 Vazon yes its up 17:27 Calinou OldCoder, which tips do you need? 17:28 LemonLake SD card, take two 17:29 LemonLake holy shit 17:29 Calinou <LemonLake> I'm surprised you guys didn't take part in Reset the Net 17:29 LemonLake i think there are two mini-wasps having sex on my windowsill 17:29 Calinou days are only 24 hours ;) 17:29 Calinou (what is it about exactly? do you mean contributing to it?) 17:30 LemonLake ah nope 17:30 LemonLake they're just fighting the hell out of each other 17:32 OldCoder Calinou, I will add the world this weekend and speak to you again. No advice may be needed. It would mostly be basic usability such as that trampoline issue. 17:32 Calinou just put a ladder ;) 17:33 Calinou maybe put Carbone instead of minetest_game on that world 17:33 Calinou but keep in mind Carbone works best when updated, it changes often 17:33 LemonLake turns out it was a spider eating a baby wasp 17:33 LemonLake the circle of life 17:34 celeron55 <LemonLake> I'm surprised you guys didn't take part in Reset the Net 17:34 celeron55 i hadn't even heard of that 17:34 asl hi OldCoder, how is landrush doing? it seem to crash whenever i join, need me to join again? 17:35 Vazon Calinou the currect carbone's guis are all broken 17:35 celeron55 altough, taking part in that would have been somewhat hypocritical because neither minetest or minetest.net do any encryption 8) 17:35 celeron55 (forum.minetest.net does) 17:38 LemonLake Fun experiment: Test two cameras. These were taken at roughly the same time albeit a different angle. Left one is a phone camera, right one is a handheld fujifilm camera: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/hOmuYHaLHye2.png 17:39 OldCoder asl, I am patching it right now 17:39 OldCoder Up again after I fix some other worlds 17:39 asl tell me when you want me to join 17:41 Piggybear87 That's a good camera phone. 17:43 LemonLake Strangely, yes 17:45 asl maybe you didn't focus it, it does have higher resolution too 17:47 Calinou Vazon, how? 17:47 Calinou be sure to remove and replace chests 17:47 Calinou (sadly this is required) 17:48 sfan5 Piggybear87: what did I tell you? 17:49 Piggybear87 HEY! I said sht up. Lol. 17:49 Piggybear87 shut* 17:51 LemonLake asl, both were focused but I made them in a lower resolution, still both were bigger than my main monitor 17:52 LemonLake the fujifilm has very bad focused 17:52 asl try manual focus? 17:53 OldCoder Vazon, I am going to restart now. Is your update ready? 17:53 LemonLake asl, I tried everything 17:54 asl maybe the len is blurring it, idk 17:54 LemonLake it just has a very bad focus range 17:56 * OldCoder assumes Vazon is not ready 18:02 LemonLake TIL what mode 7 ACTUALLY does 18:04 Vazon yes its on the ftp client sorry im busy 18:11 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011 18:11 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 is up (1615ms) 18:11 Piggybear87 Wow, nice lag... Lol. 18:12 PenguinDad ~up minetest.org 30011 18:12 ShadowBot PenguinDad: minetest.org port 30011 is down 18:12 PenguinDad lol 18:13 Calinou Vazon, what's wrong with the GUI 18:16 Vazon its just shows random colors becuase there is not gui for them or they are named wrong 18:20 Piggybear87 OldCoder, What's wrong with the pipeworks tubes? The don't have their correct name. The all just say "pneumatic tube segment (legacy)" 18:22 OldCoder Piggybear87, I gave you the _game. You tell me. 18:22 OldCoder Feel free to provide a patch 18:23 OldCoder Restarting with LuaJit shortly 18:23 OldCoder Who knows how to build with LuaJit? 18:24 Calinou install LuaJIT then compile, OldCoder 18:24 OldCoder I know that 18:24 Calinou it's used unless you tell CMake not to 18:24 Piggybear87 I never got it. I can't code worth a damn, so I wouldn't have been any help. 18:24 OldCoder kk 18:24 OldCoder markv said I needed an enable luajit of some type 18:25 sfan5 you don't 18:25 OldCoder It says USE_LUAJIT=0 18:25 sfan5 if that var were to get used it would disable luajit 18:25 OldCoder It is appearing 18:25 OldCoder I did not set it 18:25 OldCoder Hang on; trying again 18:26 Calinou DISABLE_LUAJIT=1 disables it 18:26 OldCoder kk 18:26 OldCoder Wait 18:26 sfan5 damn you 18:26 sfan5 Calinou: y u ninja me? 18:27 OldCoder Ah 18:27 OldCoder Is there any way to specify the LuaJit prefix? 18:27 * Calinou puts sfan5 on a boats:boat 18:27 OldCoder I need to specify the prefix as I need to keep LuaJit in /opt/luajit 18:27 sfan5 OldCoder: LUA_LIBRARY & LUA_INCLUDE_DIR 18:27 OldCoder But lua isn't there; just luajit 18:28 OldCoder There is no separate set of variables for luajit? 18:28 sfan5 no,no 18:28 * OldCoder waits 18:28 sfan5 luajit is a replacement for the lua library 18:28 OldCoder Hm 18:29 sfan5 hence the lua_ prefix 18:29 OldCoder Very well; proceeding 18:30 OldCoder Should LUA_LIBRARY be the .a or the directory containing it? 18:31 OldCoder sfan5, Calinou ^ 18:31 LemonLake it should die 18:31 sfan5 OldCoder: the .a 18:31 OldCoder kkty 18:33 OldCoder Hm 18:33 OldCoder Not finding curl; that's odd 18:36 OldCoder Does MT need libcurl3 or libcurl4 ? 18:36 sfan5 libcurl4 should work 18:36 OldCoder Debian says must choose gnutls or openssl libcurl4 18:36 OldCoder Which would be used? 18:37 sfan5 use on of them, it doesn't matter 18:37 sfan5 one* 18:37 OldCoder It probably does matter but O.K. thanks 18:37 * OldCoder is trying to make a good server 18:37 sfan5 it really does not matter 18:37 OldCoder Not for MT; for other purposes. But thanks. 18:38 sfan5 minetestserver does not even need TLS connections 18:38 OldCoder Yes; see above. gnutls and openssl are competitors. 18:38 Vazon OldCoder is there a reason the my server is still down? 18:38 OldCoder See above 18:38 * OldCoder is hard at work making good server fast 18:39 Vazon o ok 18:39 OldCoder Vazon, if you don't want LuaJit or Curl then OldCoder can be lazy :P 18:39 sfan5 OldCoder: gnuts is probably better in that case 18:39 sfan5 gnutls* 18:39 OldCoder gnuts heh 18:39 OldCoder Chose that one 18:40 OldCoder sfan5, any changes in builtin past month that matter? 18:40 Vazon thats up to you, OldCoder the server is already fast and reliable. 18:40 sfan5 not really 18:40 OldCoder I will update server but not update game 18:40 OldCoder kkty again 18:40 OldCoder Hm 18:41 OldCoder Needs git LuaGit I gather 18:41 Vazon all the server needs now is to go public for players to use, so i wait patiently till that day. 18:42 OldCoder Ah; odd. sfan5 I set the Lua variables and it found LuaJit but says LuaJIT versions till 2.0.0beta7 known to be broken, update to at least beta8 18:42 OldCoder I am using 2.0.3 18:42 OldCoder ? 18:42 sfan5 o.O 18:43 OldCoder Performing Test VALID_LUAJIT_VERSION - Failed 18:43 OldCoder Searching for the cmake module now 18:43 sfan5 OldCoder: does LUA_LIBRARY point to a directory that contains luajit.h? 18:43 sfan5 LUA_INCLUDE_DIR* 18:43 OldCoder Yes and it found the file 18:44 OldCoder It is the "broken version" test that fails 18:44 OldCoder Reviewing the cmake code now 18:44 sfan5 I know, but it is possible that the test fail because of something else 18:44 OldCoder Ha 18:44 OldCoder I found the reason 18:44 OldCoder Um. No; I didn't D: 18:44 sfan5 well 18:44 sfan5 just comment it out 18:44 sfan5 that'll suffice 18:44 OldCoder Working on this for now; thanks 18:46 OldCoder Got it 18:46 OldCoder Compiling 18:49 OldCoder Piggybear87, I am thinking of dropping Landrush players who have not been on for more than 2 months 18:49 OldCoder Would this be unreasonable? 18:50 OldCoder It will speed up startup 18:50 Piggybear87 Well, I would say a little more since it's been down for a bit. Say 3 months or so. 18:51 * Piggybear87 thinks ShadowNinja needs to auto identify... Lol. 18:51 PenguinDad OldCoder: you could also merge this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1346 by hand 18:51 OldCoder PenguinDad, what is it? 18:52 OldCoder I am running late to travel to S.F.; explain the patch. Can you provide it in diff form? 18:52 PenguinDad https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1346.patch 18:52 Piggybear87 It only loads active players. 18:52 PenguinDad ^ OldCoder 18:53 OldCoder Ah; thanks. But the problem is at the CLI level 18:53 OldCoder I have supplemental scripts 18:53 OldCoder To fix up after crashes 18:53 OldCoder Need to delete old players 18:53 OldCoder 18:53 OldCoder he has 13000 O_o 18:54 Calinou OldCoder, drop players that are > 3 months 18:54 Calinou drop them after 1 week if they don't have any items and are close to spawn 18:54 Calinou (well, drop everyone without interact) 18:54 OldCoder He has none that old. Some type of copy I think. The cutoff is 2 months for now. Thanks. 18:54 OldCoder And excellent idea 18:54 OldCoder regarding interact 18:54 OldCoder Doing that 18:55 Piggybear87 Idea. Install no_guests, and delete all guest<numbers>. 18:55 Calinou add warning in MOTD: “Players without interact may have their position reset.†18:55 OldCoder Calinou, Piggybear87 thank you 18:55 Calinou Piggybear87, yeah, all servers should have that 18:55 OldCoder What is no_guests? 18:55 Calinou it's default in Carbone, where *guest*, *admin*, 1 letter names and all-numeric usernames are disallowed 18:56 OldCoder Carbone? And how do I turn it on 18:56 Piggybear87 It doesn't allow guest<number> to join or <longstringofnumbers> or name<longstingofnumbers> 18:56 OldCoder Good 18:56 Vazon OldCoder its already on 18:56 OldCoder Hm? 18:56 Calinou Carbone is the game I'm developing 18:56 OldCoder Vadtec, Piggybear87, Calinou ^ reconcile 18:56 Vazon o ok 18:56 Calinou https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/source/742f34d45ab9da4344b2dcbca06a6d32d4aa6d0d: 18:56 OldCoder I wish to host 18:56 Calinou most mods are usable individually 18:56 OldCoder Indicate when ready 18:56 PenguinDad OldCoder: install this mod if you don't use Carbone https://github.com/VanessaE/forbidden_usernames 18:56 Calinou you could git clone the repository (or download the .tar.gz), then just get no_bad_names 18:56 OldCoder Proceeding now 18:57 LemonLake omfg 18:57 Calinou it works in other games too 18:57 OldCoder ? 18:57 Calinou like most mods included in Carbone 18:57 LemonLake for the past 5 minutes my screen was spammed with notifications 18:57 OldCoder This is all quite useful. Appreciate the help. 18:57 Calinou PenguinDad, mine is very similar 18:57 LemonLake that wouldn't disappear 18:57 Calinou but it doesn't judge gibberish (lighter) and doesn't prevent high amounts of numbers (many French players potentially have that) 18:58 PenguinDad but yours needs more steps to install 18:58 Calinou yeah 19:03 OldCoder Hmm there are 1000s in the auth file that have no player file 19:03 OldCoder I can drop all of those 19:04 Calinou yeah 19:04 Calinou clean them often, because it's what slows down servers 19:04 Calinou sadly, it may be hard to automate 19:04 Calinou (using Shell scripts) 19:04 OldCoder Not for me :-) 19:04 OldCoder Perl 19:09 sfan5 <Calinou> but it doesn't judge gibberish (lighter) 19:09 sfan5 why not? 19:09 OldCoder Hm. I am getting this now: 19:09 OldCoder 12:08:55: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from 19:09 OldCoder 12:08:55: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest049/share/minetest/builtin/init.lua: 19:09 OldCoder 12:08:55: ERROR[main]: cannot open /opt/minetest049/share/minetest/builtin/init.lua: No such file or directory 19:10 OldCoder LuaJit issue? 19:10 OldCoder The builtin folder doesn't have an init.lua 19:11 OldCoder Looks like they *did* redo the builtin fodler 19:11 OldCoder * folder 19:12 Calinou sfan5, less code :P 19:12 Calinou I don't think it's useful 19:12 Calinou there may be false positives 19:25 OldCoder Vazon, Piggybear87, others: Landrush and Minereals are restarted 19:25 OldCoder * Minerealms 19:25 Vazon ok 19:25 OldCoder Should have LuaJit now and I'll get curl working soon 19:25 OldCoder Plus compiled server with -O3 indicate if bad things happen :-) 19:27 Vazon OldCoder did you run the script to delete the chunks below -1500 yet? 19:27 OldCoder No time yet 19:27 OldCoder Added LuaJit 19:27 OldCoder Built in Curl 19:27 OldCoder Removed mod that was crashing Landrush 19:27 OldCoder Removed obsolete players 19:27 OldCoder Kind of busy Vazon :-) 19:27 Vazon lol ok, an when you get a chance plz update the game 19:28 OldCoder I *asked* you if it was ready 19:28 OldCoder Is it? 19:28 OldCoder Vazon, I am out of time for the day 19:28 Vazon yes i said it was like 3 times now "3 19:28 OldCoder I did not see an answer 19:28 OldCoder You did not respond when I asked 19:28 OldCoder I will check back in a few minutes; preparing to leave 19:28 Piggybear87 OK. 19:29 Vazon <OldCoder> Vazon, I am going to restart now. Is your update ready? 19:29 Vazon <LemonLake> asl, I tried everything 19:29 Vazon <asl> maybe the len is blurring it, idk 19:29 Vazon <LemonLake> it just has a very bad focus range 19:29 Vazon * Hirato has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19:29 Vazon should have seen that one comeing -.- 19:31 Vazon OldCoder: http://pastebin.com/MuFjyJWK 19:33 Piggybear87 Is there any way to speed up getting to Minetest? I'm tire of having to go to Terminal and typing all of that in. 19:33 Piggybear87 tired* 19:34 STHGOM shotrcut 19:34 STHGOM shortcut 19:35 Jordach STHGOM, not windows 19:35 STHGOM umm... 19:35 STHGOM menu 19:35 STHGOM games 19:35 Jordach self compiled 19:35 Piggybear87 ^ 19:35 STHGOM umm... 19:35 STHGOM good question :D 19:36 Amaz Open folder it is in, double click the binary? 19:36 STHGOM up key in terminal 19:36 Piggybear87 Instead of typing cd min<tab> <enter> cd bin <enter> ./minetest<enter> I can just put /home/piggybear87/minetest-minetest-f70e055/bin/minetest 19:37 Piggybear87 and it launches, but I hate typing. Lol. 19:37 STHGOM up key for history 19:37 PenguinDad Piggybear87: you could probably use ~/minetest-minetest-f70e055/bin/minetest too 19:37 Piggybear87 I know that, but what about after a reboot? 19:38 Amaz Piggybear87: Doesn't the history preserve? 19:38 Piggybear87 It might. I don't know. Lol. 19:38 Amaz It does for me. 19:38 STHGOM are there no shortcuts? can you have a file that runs a command? 19:39 Piggybear87 That's what I was thinking STHGOM, Like a .txt that starts Terminal and runs "/home/piggybear87/minetest-minetest-f70e055/bin/minetest" 19:40 Piggybear87 Also, Amaz, I use the terminal a lot, so up isn't a good choice for me. 19:42 Jordach TIL Cycles makes my models look better 19:44 Piggybear87 ah HA! alias mt='/home/piggybear87/minetest-minetest-f70e055/bin/minetest' Now I just type mt<enter> and it launches. :) Laziness ftw! 19:45 STHGOM :D 19:45 Piggybear87 Lol 1 minute of googling and I found it. Why did I ask? Lol. 19:45 Piggybear87 ...Because I'm too laze to google... 19:46 STHGOM laziness ftw 19:47 OldCoder Vazon, no time 19:47 OldCoder what is it 19:49 Vazon t? 19:50 OldCoder what is the paste 19:50 Vazon its showoing you i did respond 19:52 OldCoder Vazon, I waited and did not see a response. You may have responded later. There is no problem. I am simply explaining. 19:52 OldCoder That was a few minutes later 19:52 OldCoder Correct? 19:53 OldCoder It's best to highlight unless a response is immediate 19:53 Vazon yes 19:53 OldCoder I couldn't just sit there for a few minutes 19:53 OldCoder Sort of busy 19:53 OldCoder When there are delays, state my name 19:53 OldCoder That I may see the mention 19:53 Vazon sorry, i responded as soon as i saw it 19:53 OldCoder I know 19:53 OldCoder Not a problem; explaining that I had no way of knowing you'd responded 19:54 Vazon ya 19:54 OldCoder I g2g now. Make a note of other server issues to deal with 19:54 OldCoder o/ 19:54 Vazon bye 19:54 Vazon and weill do 20:12 TenPlus1 Hi folks... 20:12 TenPlus1 VanessaE, you there ? 20:17 TenPlus1 Is anyone running a server that performs smooth with minimal lag and many users ?? 20:22 CraigyDavi TenPlus1, If you consider 2 seconds lag with 15 users minimal lag, then yes 20:24 TenPlus1 hi Craigy, may I have a copy of your minetest.conf file please 20:25 TenPlus1 that's if you changed it for the server 20:25 lemonlake heyho 20:25 TenPlus1 hi lemonlake 20:26 CraigyDavi TenPlus1, https://gist.github.com/CraigyDavi/944c2ca106f58e06262a 20:27 CraigyDavi The performance settings really help with reducing lag 20:27 TenPlus1 thanks dude... I've already applied so many settings and it helps a lot, but always looking for better :) 20:28 CraigyDavi No problem 20:29 TenPlus1 if you get a chance, could you join Xanadu server and lemmie know if lag affects you any 20:29 CraigyDavi Also remember to delete player files which are not in use, it makes a big difference too. 20:29 CraigyDavi Yep I can do that 20:29 lemonlake so I'm getting gimp on windows for the fact that it has brush smoothing...photoshop seems to have removed this feature and flash cc is just crap 20:30 lemonlake and i ditched linux because skype was not working whatsoever on it and i was missing important contact 20:30 TenPlus1 which ubuntu did you install lemonlake ?? 20:30 lemonlake i think linux will be more deving only from now on 20:30 sfan5 >skype 20:30 sfan5 pls 20:30 lemonlake mint 20:30 TenPlus1 google talk plugin works amazingly well in Chromium browser... 20:30 lemonlake sfan5, the reason i use skype is because all of my contacts use it because they use phones. 20:30 lemonlake google talk is gay and shite because google 20:30 lemonlake google is shit 20:31 lemonlake never trust google 20:31 PenguinDad lemonlake: never trust MS 20:31 TenPlus1 lolol... I say the same about skype... nsa has admitted to having a backdoor 20:31 PenguinDad Skype == MS 20:31 lemonlake i dont. 20:31 lemonlake i'm aware PenguinDad 20:31 lemonlake anyway, im gonna bail before you twats start bitching 20:31 lemonlake out 20:31 TenPlus1 lolol 20:31 TenPlus1 each to their own... whatever works 20:33 nman3600 hi FUCK MY WRIST 20:34 nman3600 i'm afraid multitest is dying off :( 20:38 Piggybear87 Vazon, signal vendor? Why? 20:38 Vazon what? 20:38 Vazon hold on, im coming on to landrush 20:38 TenPlus1 laters folks 21:16 nman3600 hi 21:17 nman3600 i'm on #multitest if you have suggestions for the mod 21:17 nman3600 multitest is already dying and i updated it today :( 21:20 nman3600 night all!! 21:21 Megaf heh, skylands is way too much load for my raspberry pi 21:21 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30001 21:21 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30001 is up (2674ms) 21:49 asl OldCoder: the default privs on landrush is still wrong 21:52 Vazon asl ok i will past that on, hes away 22:24 kaeza greetings 22:44 kaeza Megaf, is that you on Hiddon Test? 22:58 Megaf Hiddon? 22:58 Megaf kaeza; Im on JUST TEST or something like that 22:59 kaeza [19:30:11] <Megaf@HTS> Nate can I build a publi mall? 22:59 Megaf lol 22:59 Megaf That's not me kaeza 23:00 kaeza figured :) 23:00 Megaf I should copyright my name 23:00 kaeza heh 23:01 kaeza minetest has no centralized login system, but we try to "protect" the names of well-known members 23:02 kaeza guess you have a fan :) 23:02 Megaf Yep, you should ask him to change his name 23:02 Megaf kaeza; whats the server address? 23:03 kaeza should be in the public list 23:04 kaeza ...or not :) 23:10 LemonLake No The_Beast? Shame 23:11 LemonLake Made a new wallpaper for him :( http://lemoncreativity.deviantart.com/art/Seiko-Corpse-Party-459265808