Time  Nick            Message
00:35 Zardoz555       cheer, you are here?
00:37 jojoa1997|PC    wow so many leave messages
00:37 Zardoz555       Vazon , youare online?
00:41 Zardoz555       Miner_48er
00:42 Miner_48er      Zardoz555?
00:42 VanessaE        Zardoz555: what is it you need?
00:42 VanessaE        it is not polite to ask for multiple people over and over.
00:43 Zardoz555       want to as you if you are German,just say yes or no
00:44 VanessaE        I am not.
00:45 jordan4ibanez   Just admit it.
00:46 VanessaE        (I am of German ancestry but I suppose that does not count)
00:47 Miner_48er      Zardoz555 no
00:47 Zardoz555       can I speek to yo in German, English is not my first language
00:48 Zardoz555       Miner_48er, where you come from ?
00:49 Miner_48er      USA
00:49 Zardoz555       latin based?
00:50 Zardoz555       I am in the near of Motreal, where are you, may I ask?
01:02 twoelk          Zardoz555: there is a german channel at #minetest-de but that is pretty quite so late at night
01:08 Zardoz555       tank you,I  know, but I like this server,because wat is is !!! maybe in future Vzon will know...
01:12 Zardoz555       respect Vazon,he is Owner of this Server,you likeit or not, deal with it, good luck... ...
01:12 twoelk          das hab ich jetzt nicht so ganz verstanden
01:12 VanessaE        Zardoz555: Vazon does not own this channel.
01:13 twoelk          is auch schon etwas spaet
01:13 Zardoz555       sorry, my bad Enghlish !!!
01:16 Cylus           Why do bones disappear when you try to dig them? Didn't it used to be possible to build out of them?
01:16 twoelk          depends on settings
01:17 Cylus           What settings to you enable/disable to be able to dig up bones?
01:17 Zardoz555       bones are disabled, hope I can help you !
01:17 twoelk          some servers are still littered with bones
01:17 VanessaE        deleted from my servers and my game, with extreme prejudice.
01:18 Cylus           They're cool for building tombs, even though the item loss is a pain in the butt.
01:18 Zardoz555       forget, you lose, when you are die, get over with, we all do :)
01:18 twoelk          -just_test- server uses bones to gain dirt
01:19 VanessaE        because the whole damn map is stone, yes?
01:19 twoelk          yep
01:20 Zardoz555       hi, Vanessa E, have a goog day here
01:21 RealBadAngel    whats goog?
01:21 Zardoz555       and no, the map is not all stone, lol
01:21 twoelk          I think leaves should also produce dirt. that could be better then having to collect dead players :-P
01:22 twoelk          http://87.110.8.195/minetest/ <- an older map of just-test
01:23 Zardoz555       Vazon, VanessaE is here, wake up !!!
01:25 Miner_48er      Zardoz555 lets move to #minerealms-chat also Vazon isn't here
01:25 Zardoz555       RealBad Angle, you make worrk technicks, great job!
01:27 Zardoz555       Miner_48er, wHat do you mean?
01:27 VanessaE        greetz, RealBadAngel.
01:27 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/pull/66#issuecomment-54523991
01:28 Zardoz555       miner_48er, chpld  I go?
01:29 Zardoz555       *should I go?
01:29 twoelk          maybe a green-touch should be added to this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9767 so grass could grow in my steps
01:32 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, all the custom drawtype are using different light calculations, inner light for the given pos
01:33 RealBadAngel    this is meant to be used for non full cube nodes
01:33 RealBadAngel    whatever is same sized as full cube will look different
01:33 twoelk          might have to put on a green faerie skin for that green-touch
01:34 twoelk          hasch mich, ich bin der fruehling
01:36 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: can it be fixed?  seems to me that plantlike and torchlike (for floor or ceiling, specifically) should get exactly the average of the EW and NS face lighting
01:37 VanessaE        of course your new hardware lighting code I guess will fix all of that crap
01:43 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: btw, you nearly gave jojoa1997 a heart attack :)
01:43 VanessaE        (showed him that screenshot with the three colored lights)
01:50 Cylus           It seems protection doesn't stop one from making bones in someone else's area disappear either.
01:50 Cylus           And bookshelves now act like half-chests that can only hold books? What even is the point of a chest that only can store one type of item?
01:52 Cylus           I must say, I'm quite confused about the changes that have been made in the past while.
01:52 twoelk          Cylus: such a chest might be usefull for sorting?
01:53 Cylus           twoelk: A regular chest can hold only books if that's all you put in it though. Plus it will hold twice as many.
01:54 Cylus           Books aren't even any good, except for making bookshelves, so there's no reason to massively store them and only them either.
01:54 twoelk          many furniture pieces act like chests, that is you can put stuff inside
01:55 twoelk          books might be readable
01:55 Cylus           Can't you store whatever you like in them though?
01:55 Cylus           Books are readable now?
01:56 twoelk          hmm maybe I should clean up the fridge? :-P
01:57 twoelk          might as in there was some mod somewhere
02:13 gentoobro       books could be used in some sort of magic or alchemy mod....
02:14 gentoobro       books could aslo be used by a mapping mod to transfer maps of explored areas between players
02:15 twoelk          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5709 has writable books
02:15 twoelk          also adventuretest and the wikimod make use of bookshelves
02:16 twoelk          Riventest has linkingbooks
02:16 gentoobro       perhaps books could be made to have small stack counts by defaul and only bookshelves could hold larger stacks
02:29 RealBadAngel    linking books are from mc mod that allows to create custom world
02:29 RealBadAngel    *worlds
02:29 RealBadAngel    and travel there
02:30 RealBadAngel    that idea was quite nice, you could create world with enormous ammount of resources but at the cost of high entropy
02:31 RealBadAngel    so you had to be fast when digging because the world around you were collapsing
02:32 RealBadAngel    also in server enviroment the mod was extremely nice
02:32 RealBadAngel    because each player could have own homeland
02:33 RealBadAngel    direwolf20 made some excellent gameplay vids on that
02:34 twoelk          sounds like lots of traps for la
02:34 twoelk          *lag
02:36 RealBadAngel    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9bZeGi2ndM
02:37 RealBadAngel    mod is in general custom mapgen
02:38 VanessaE        well is he gonna do something besides look around the room?
02:38 RealBadAngel    he will
02:38 VanessaE        oh, amazing.  he used the crafting table.
02:38 RealBadAngel    hes really good at explainin the mods
02:39 VanessaE        I watch videos with the sound off usually.
02:39 RealBadAngel    hes talking guy actually lol
02:40 VanessaE        I see what you mean by collapsing worlds.
02:40 VanessaE        that terrain would kill minetest btw
02:40 VanessaE        all that flowing/falling water
02:40 VanessaE        nothing about it that minetest can't do easily with one of paramat's mods e.g. floatlands or so
02:41 VanessaE        just the engine can't handle that much flowing/falling water or falling nodes without having a heart attack
02:42 RealBadAngel    if mc can, we can also
02:43 VanessaE        we never will until someone is willing to give that code a full enema.
02:43 RealBadAngel    but first, we should think on how to handle parallel worlds
02:45 twoelk          second database?
02:45 RealBadAngel    reduce the size of the single world maybe
02:45 RealBadAngel    so db can handle many of them
02:46 VanessaE        the size of the world is not an issue.
02:46 VanessaE        the issue is Lua being used where C++ should have been used, and also lack of parallelization of Lua, to a lesser degree
02:46 twoelk          all the players going yay at seeing the vidio now go nononono we want infinity not reduction
02:47 RealBadAngel    who the fuck needs +31k in the air
02:47 VanessaE        we need the server to split up the task of handing the map into smaller bites so that it can chew a little here, chew a little there...
02:47 VanessaE        what I'm doing at 100,100,100 should NOT affect the person up at 5000,5000,5000!
02:47 RealBadAngel    propably only those ones with small dicks :P
02:48 RealBadAngel    split it into layers
02:48 twoelk          multithreaded map access :-o
02:48 VanessaE        (at least not to the degree that it does now)
02:48 VanessaE        but that's not the real problem here
02:48 VanessaE        THAT mod described in that video is easy.
02:48 VanessaE        paramat already did it.
02:48 VanessaE        floatlands.
02:48 VanessaE        the problem is all that water and those falling nodes.
02:49 RealBadAngel    you dont get the point of the mod
02:49 VanessaE        that shit is about as broken as it gets in minetest.
02:49 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: sure I do - but I'm saying we can already generate terrain on demand
02:49 RealBadAngel    main point is in multplayer
02:49 VanessaE        you're wanting per-player client-side terrain?
02:49 RealBadAngel    they can play on different worlds and travel between them
02:49 RealBadAngel    on a single server
02:50 VanessaE        that's a a different task and much harder to do.
02:50 RealBadAngel    so one can say, hey come to me, to my world
02:50 twoelk          oh dear, personal worlds beside the public world, cluttering up the server
02:50 RealBadAngel    "i just created amazing world"
02:51 RealBadAngel    and so
02:51 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: I think it would be better to interlink worlds together at the server level, and have the client jump to the other server, including having the client ITSELF server up the world
02:51 RealBadAngel    in his gameplays theres a series bout it, when modders create a hub world
02:51 VanessaE        e.g. the client launches a one-time server process and announces it for the duration of the session
02:51 RealBadAngel    with gates to their personal worlds
02:51 VanessaE        THAT would be much easier to do
02:51 RealBadAngel    where they play with their mods
02:52 VanessaE        those personal worlds would be stored on the clients' PCs.
02:52 VanessaE        and those clients' local servers would be running their own mods too :)
02:52 twoelk          eh? security alert?
02:53 VanessaE        twoelk:  nonono, I'm talking servers here, same as if you just disconnected from the current server and picked a new one from the list
02:53 VanessaE        only you wouldn't have to do that, you'd just use a portal to get the same effec
02:53 VanessaE        +t
02:54 twoelk          and so this discussion links to the many before on travelling between worlds
02:54 RealBadAngel    i was talkin about portals idea months ago
02:54 VanessaE        you know how you can launch a server from the minetest 'client' by going to the Server tab?  same thing.  the client could announce to the "main" server, "hey, I have a secondary over here, users can go through the portal at 123,456,789 to get here."
02:54 RealBadAngel    to link the servers in game
02:54 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: exactly.  I'm suggesting that we implement your idea.
02:54 VanessaE        and ^^^^ this is how it should work.
02:55 RealBadAngel    i already gave it a name
02:55 VanessaE        least amount of effort, greatest amount of effect, and no changes need be made to the map etc.
02:55 RealBadAngel    world of minetest
02:55 RealBadAngel    all the servers connected together
02:55 VanessaE        mmm
02:55 VanessaE        that seems a bit generic.
02:55 RealBadAngel    when joined one, you can visit all of them
02:56 RealBadAngel    just travel ingame
02:56 VanessaE        I like this idea.
02:56 VanessaE        only let's not do those silly linking books or whatever they're called in MC
02:57 VanessaE        let's do something better
02:57 RealBadAngel    some will allow you to travel with stuff, some wont
02:57 RealBadAngel    some will be friendly, some not
02:57 RealBadAngel    as the universe
02:58 VanessaE        that would be hard to do, since many servers vary greatly in what they have available
02:58 RealBadAngel    but in some cases could be done
02:58 VanessaE        yes
02:59 RealBadAngel    so you could have servers just for mining
02:59 RealBadAngel    digging paradises ;)
02:59 VanessaE        heh
02:59 VanessaE        well first we need to come up with a graceful way to make it work
03:00 VanessaE        but before that, there are more pressing matters to deal with :)
03:00 VanessaE        *cough* lighting *cough*
03:00 RealBadAngel    stargates were meant to serve as the travel gates
03:00 VanessaE        *cough* nodebox vertexes *cough*
03:00 VanessaE        we can't use the stargates.
03:00 VanessaE        those images are copyrighted by MGM
03:00 RealBadAngel    why not?
03:01 VanessaE        they'll kick your ass from here to Canarsie.
03:01 RealBadAngel    lol
03:01 twoelk          mc has a pretty impresive stargate mod
03:01 RealBadAngel    we dont?
03:01 RealBadAngel    :P
03:01 twoelk          with moving parts and event horizon
03:01 jojoa1997       RealBadAngel good work on the colored lights :D
03:02 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: we can come up with better stuff that doesn't depend on imagery that some film company already made.
03:02 RealBadAngel    jojoa1997, thats not my work, thats irrlicht
03:02 VanessaE        jojoa1997: seen the cobwebs I did for homedecor today? :)
03:02 jojoa1997       Actually I did
03:02 RealBadAngel    VanessaE, we can use another images just
03:03 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: yeah, any other image will do, but we need a better model too
03:03 VanessaE        a flat stargate is too plain.
03:03 jojoa1997       Reviewing for chemisty is hard, RBA adn VanessaE what are you talking about?
03:03 VanessaE        s/stargate/teleporter/
03:03 RealBadAngel    but the gates themselves are imho a masterpiece
03:03 VanessaE        jojoa1997: in-game server interlinking
03:03 jojoa1997       about time
03:03 RealBadAngel    far better than travel network mod
03:03 VanessaE        jojoa1997: enter a portal and you "travel" to another server, like MC's linking books
03:04 jojoa1997       VanessaE I have run my own MC server before ;)
03:04 VanessaE        jojoa1997: just being complete.
03:04 jojoa1997       also wasnt this discussed before VanessaE made the survival server
03:04 jojoa1997       I know
03:04 VanessaE        jojoa1997: yes, something similar was discussed a while back but no one was able to code it.
03:05 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: yes, the gates are a masterpiece, but for this purpose we need something WAY better
03:05 jojoa1997       Yeah I believe it has to be through the C++ right?
03:05 RealBadAngel    yes
03:05 VanessaE        jojoa1997: yeah
03:05 RealBadAngel    just skip the menu
03:05 RealBadAngel    and allow rejoin via lua
03:05 RealBadAngel    all the needed code is here
03:06 jojoa1997       umm
03:06 RealBadAngel    just skip some parts between needed steps
03:06 jojoa1997       [23:04:54] <VanessaE> RealBadAngel: yes, the gates are a masterpiece, but for this purpose we need something WAY better
03:06 jojoa1997       Do you mean the look of it?
03:06 RealBadAngel    no i mean how they work
03:06 VanessaE        jojoa1997: the imagery in part, but I mean the models too.
03:07 RealBadAngel    the look is secondary
03:07 VanessaE        jojoa1997, RealBadAngel:  a 2D wafer-thin portal does not look good in practice.  it looks unfinished.
03:07 RealBadAngel    oh cmon, at least they are animated ;)
03:07 VanessaE        look is EVERYTHING.
03:07 jojoa1997       What about a 3x3x3 cube with a waverying blob in the center?
03:08 VanessaE        remember, you're dealing with the average Joe Sixpack/Plain Jane here.
03:08 RealBadAngel    show me the node that is 3x3 and animated
03:08 RealBadAngel    theres nothing like stargate around
03:08 jojoa1997       sure thing RealBadAngel
03:08 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: 3x2, Plasma screen.  done by me.
03:08 VanessaE        the images just animate slower.
03:08 VanessaE        and it's a node box.
03:08 RealBadAngel    ha! 3x3 i said :)
03:08 jojoa1997       Wait will it be a nodebox or a blender model
03:08 RealBadAngel    and it is not round :P
03:09 RealBadAngel    stargate had to be round thingy :)
03:09 VanessaE        jojoa1997: a nodebox is sufficient for this.
03:09 jojoa1997       RealBadAngel I made a 4*5*2.5 nodebox with animated textures
03:09 jojoa1997       worst "Big Mama Chime Bowl" ever
03:09 RealBadAngel    just jokin
03:09 jojoa1997       um
03:09 VanessaE        a model is better but we don't have mesh nodes yet.
03:10 jojoa1997       hmm
03:10 VanessaE        Vazon: Zardoz555 was looking for you earlier.
03:10 jojoa1997       let me make that special node
03:10 jojoa1997       nvm I need to study for chem
03:10 Vazon           Thanks, i was working
03:11 VanessaE        anyways, this is all stuff for later.  there are more important things that need done first imho :)
03:12 jojoa1997       like what
03:12 VanessaE        jojoa1997: see above
03:12 jojoa1997       BTW I am finally learning higher level than Lua coding! Python
03:12 VanessaE        there are lots of engine and client improvements that need done first that are simply more important.
03:12 jojoa1997       VanessaE above where?
03:13 VanessaE        stuff to return the client to a playable condition for those situations where it ceases to be (read: on my Survival server where FPS really suffers now for no good reason)
03:13 jojoa1997       I think drag and click would be an awesome thing to add...
03:13 VanessaE        stuff where the engine just plain falls over for no good reason.
03:13 VanessaE        etc.
03:18 jojoa1997       what about a 2 tall pole with square circles around it
03:18 jojoa1997       anways afk for a bit
03:19 VanessaE        I could see something there.
03:20 VanessaE        two poles as described above, set 1 meter apart, with some kind of electrical "sparks" between them
03:20 VanessaE        step through and you're teleported to wherever.
03:21 VanessaE        I could model, texture, and deliver the nodes and code for that in a very short time, provided there were an API call to send the player to the destination.
03:22 twoelk          can the client access information not served by the server while connected to a server?
03:22 VanessaE        twoelk: I think through cURL it can
03:22 twoelk          for example can it access the serverlist from ingame?
03:22 VanessaE        there's some rudimentary function for that, or through Luasocket.
03:22 VanessaE        for the server list itself, I'm not sure
03:23 VanessaE        but you could probably download/parse it manually
03:23 twoelk          it would need an address/favorites list of some sort
03:23 VanessaE        hrm, I'm wrong
03:23 VanessaE        there is not an API call for that
03:23 VanessaE        but I know there's a pull request for it here somewhere...
03:23 twoelk          no address no place to connect to
03:25 VanessaE        hrm, there WAS a pull request.
03:27 VanessaE        I can't find it now. huh.
03:28 VanessaE        wait
03:28 VanessaE        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/490
03:28 VanessaE        there it was.
03:28 VanessaE        closed by c55 as too risky somehow :-/
03:28 VanessaE        (and too old)
03:32 VanessaE        hm.  forum isn't answering.
03:35 twoelk          gtg
04:50 VanessaE        oops.
06:10 blaise          hrmm
06:11 blaise          can we use mesecons to switch the rails on the carts mod ?
06:11 blaise          to route rail traffic?
07:07 * raffahacks    left the channel
07:08 raffahacks      I didn't
08:43 JamesTait       Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bring Your Manners To Work Day! :-D
09:21 TriBlade9       Hello, I have a bit of a strange problem that I'd like help with
09:21 TriBlade9       Where strange = nonconventional
09:24 TriBlade9       I need help registering on the forums, as I live in China, and everything Google is currently blocked, including the ReCaptcha
09:24 TriBlade9       I simply want to reply to MicreaKitsune's post about MT vs MC, as I've noticed a few things that no one else has mentioned yet. I also want to make a mod or two eventually.
09:27 casimir         I recommend going to #minetest-dev and asking there. The mods of the forum are mostly devs too.
09:27 TriBlade9       Simplest way
09:28 TriBlade9       Someone register's for me?
09:28 TriBlade9       And then I verify email and change password?
09:28 TriBlade9       Is anyone willing to do that?
09:30 TriBlade9       Hello blaze and Weedy :)
09:33 casimir         What username and e-mail do you want? Then I would try to do that.
09:34 TriBlade9       casimir, thank you. Username: TriBlade9, e-mail, triblade9@mail.com
09:34 TriBlade9       (My gmail is currently blocked, big pain)
09:34 TriBlade9       GitHub: TriBlade9, In-game: TriBlade9, IRC: TriBlade9 x]
09:34 TriBlade9       And yes, my GitHub is valid
09:35 SylvieLorxu     Tor could probably help you use your blocked services, but it should be noted that you'd use it at your own risk (and the download would probably be blocked as well)
09:35 TriBlade9       Tor is blocked totally
09:35 TriBlade9       Tried
09:35 TriBlade9       My VPN got blocked two months ago
09:35 SylvieLorxu     Ugh, seems we need more unlisted exit nodes
09:35 TriBlade9       Aaand a proxy can't load the Js required for a captcha >_>
09:35 casimir         You should get an e-mail now.
09:35 TriBlade9       Thanks a heap
09:36 TriBlade9       I'm American btw
09:36 TriBlade9       Working here in Shanghai
09:36 blaze           hello TriBlade9
09:36 TriBlade9       Hello blaze :)
09:36 TriBlade9       casimir, mind msg'ing me the password?
09:39 TriBlade9       Thanks :D
09:50 TriBlade9       See y'all later
09:50 TriBlade9       Imma go eat something
10:53 Megaf           That’s really weird, my server wont ping, wont login, wont ssh but its http server still working
10:53 Megaf           !server Megaf
10:53 MinetestBot     Megaf: No results
10:53 Megaf           !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
10:53 MinetestBot     minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (561ms)
10:56 Megaf           well, it seems like it is back
11:04 T4im            i've seen such behavior with virtual machines before.. you even could login to the host, but the guest was basicly frozen with most services, while others kept running.. for some time anyway...
11:40 Jordach         this doesn't look good; Irrlicht log: PNG warning: Malformed iTXt chunk
12:16 Megaf           !server Megaf
12:16 MinetestBot     Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 7/20, 4/7 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 266ms
12:54 VanessaE        good morning.
12:55 Megaf           Morning Vanessa
13:02 VanessaE        hi
14:27 Jordach         ...https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Az3ZygRgPI5H.png
14:32 RealBadAngel    jordach i can make nicer screenshots in mt
14:32 Jordach         RealBadAngel, 1) i've not finished it
14:32 Jordach         2) it will have animated crap
14:32 Jordach         3) it's a rendering test to see of DX can beat raytracing
14:38 PenguinDad      eeew unity
14:42 sfan5           !tell iqualfragile ಠ_à²
14:42 MinetestBot     sfan5: yeah, sure, whatever
14:48 jp              https://cdn.mediacru.sh/JhqZSdVTr81s.png
16:22 Jordach         casimir, nobody scans QR codes anymore
16:24 casimir         Oh, that is surprisingly new to me.
16:24 Jordach         casimir, someone had a QR code with a message attached
16:25 Jordach         https://cdn.mediacru.sh/cTgbCIRlt7pu.png
16:25 Jordach         ^ clearly your name on it
16:26 Jordach         Calinou, bug with maptools
16:26 Jordach         digging diggable ignore should not occur with admin picks
16:27 Jordach         jp, that corner block makes my FPS feel like 0 again
16:28 jp              you will be surprised, Jordach ;)
16:28 Jordach         unless it's a hollow inside :3
16:28 jp              top secret
16:35 PenguinDad      jp: looks like torchlike drawtype
16:35 PenguinDad      + the
16:36 VanessaE        Calinou: *poke*
16:36 Jordach         https://cdn.mediacru.sh/PexHt1bTHJNS.png
16:36 Jordach         :3
16:40 VanessaE        Calinou, Jordach:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2009052014%20-%2012%3a15%3a05%20PM.png
16:40 VanessaE        https://github.com/VanessaE/angled_walls
16:40 VanessaE        a stripped down version of the code I created for the cobwebs in homedecor.
16:41 zat             http://untappedcities.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Cat-Cafe_Kyoto_NYC_Untapped-Cities_Dana-Ter.jpg
16:42 Krock           hi.
16:43 VanessaE        (with a few more checks on placement, and use of special_tiles, I could get rid of the mirrored textures, too.  just too lazy right now :P )
17:01 Calinou         VanessaE, heavy abuse of nodeboxes?
17:01 VanessaE        Calinou: torchlike drawtype
17:02 VanessaE        so exactly two polys per each node. like it was meant to be.
17:02 VanessaE        (well it's two polys if torchlike was coded properly in the engine anyway)
17:02 VanessaE        take a look at the code
17:02 Calinou         it glows in the dark
17:02 VanessaE        I figured you could use this in the circular saw as another item people could use.
17:03 VanessaE        it doesn't "glow" so much as it uses no smooth lighting.  bug in the client's rendering pipeline.
17:03 Calinou         makes no sense… fully flat, buggy, etc
17:03 VanessaE        did you download the code to try it? :)
17:03 Calinou         it's fully flat and very error-prone
17:03 VanessaE        without your modified lighting table :)
17:05 VanessaE        error prone, how?
17:05 VanessaE        buggy how?
17:10 jp              I search the constructive argument for 'fully flat'...
17:11 Calinou         something solid-looking that is fully flat? no thanks.
17:11 Calinou         what about collision?
17:11 Calinou         walkable makes no sense, non-walkable doesn't either.
17:12 VanessaE        well, don't thin (1/16) slabs fit that same description? :)
17:12 VanessaE        besides, this is for angled walls, hence the name
17:12 VanessaE        you're not supposed to be able to see that they're hollow :P
17:13 jp              +1
17:13 VanessaE        as for the collision box, blame the engine devs, I can't fix that.
17:15 * Jordach       waits for the inevitable ecutruin mocking the API
17:16 ecutruin        I was summoned to mock something?
17:16 Jordach         you mock the engine in places where it's incapable
17:16 ecutruin        I do.. whats new that I need to mock though?
17:17 Jordach         [18:13:14] <VanessaE> as for the collision box, blame the engine devs, I can't fix that.
17:17 * ecutruin      snickers.
17:17 ecutruin        V did it for me! XD
17:17 * PenguinDad    mars.
17:17 * VanessaE      butterfingers.
17:18 Jordach         wat
17:18 * Jordach       wonders why new lines in textfield large doesn't create newlines on signs
17:18 Jordach         and yet | still works
17:18 VanessaE        dig/replace the sign
17:18 Jordach         signs_lib is borked
17:19 VanessaE        and next time, read the forum.
17:19 Jordach         infotext displays | and doesn't hide them
17:19 VanessaE        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2041&start=350#p148642
17:20 Jordach         VanessaE, it's ignoring newlines
17:20 Jordach         add four new lines then type something
17:20 Jordach         ignored both ways including infotext
17:20 VanessaE        <space><newline>
17:21 Jordach         lazy ass programmer
17:21 Jordach         actually make it work as someone expects it
17:21 VanessaE        an empty newline is ignored, blame kaeza.
17:22 VanessaE        and next time read the craft guide.
17:22 VanessaE        it's mentioned on there that you need a space.
17:22 VanessaE        "If you need a blank line, write a single space, then press enter (e.g. a space on a line by itself)."
17:23 VanessaE        (I hate having to say RTFM...  but RTFM. :) )
17:25 VanessaE        (that empty lines are ignored and word wrap doesn't work are still bugs, and kaeza needs to fix them)
17:32 * sfan5         purrs at Jordach
17:33 Jordach         whip his ass then
17:33 Jordach         (Devo - Whip It)(
17:35 rubenwardy      Hi all!
17:38 rubenwardy      !c random.choice(["Hi all!", "Hello Guys!", "Greetings."])
17:38 MinetestBot     'Hello Guys!'
17:39 PenguinDad      !c random.choice(['Meow!', 'Rawr!'])
17:39 MinetestBot     'Meow!'
17:40 sfan5           !cat
17:40 MinetestBot     http://i.imgur.com/kA8l8oP.jpg
17:40 Calinou         VanessaE, I noticed, why do you use Comic Sans as your window title font?
17:40 rubenwardy      !cat
17:40 MinetestBot     http://i.imgur.com/YMm7Tgl.jpg
17:40 rubenwardy      Awesome
17:40 Calinou         <VanessaE> as for the collision box, blame the engine devs, I can't fix that.
17:40 Calinou         I don't like making mods where I have to blame engine devs
17:47 * ecutruin      blames the engine devs all the time. ^-^;
17:47 Zardoz555       hi Blaise, Iam on your server, you need people there?
17:49 Zardoz555       blaise
17:53 Krock           MEOW
18:02 * sfan5         meows at ecutruin
18:02 sfan5           !cat
18:02 MinetestBot     http://i.imgur.com/NKWGj9s.jpg
18:03 ecutruin        Cute.
18:03 sfan5           here's more:
18:03 sfan5           !cat
18:03 MinetestBot     http://i.imgur.com/q4RPFjJ.jpg
18:03 Krock           2 diffrent eye colors?
18:04 PenguinDad      Krock: that's quite common
18:04 sfan5           !cat
18:04 MinetestBot     http://i.imgur.com/NKWGj9s.jpg
18:04 Krock           PenguinDad, I've seen many kittens but they all had the same color in both eyes
18:04 sfan5           !cat
18:04 MinetestBot     http://i.imgur.com/8UvDsPc.jpg
18:05 Krock           sfan5, ##minetestbot please
18:05 sfan5           lol
18:05 Krock           :P
18:37 luizrpgluiz     hi
18:37 Krock           ih
18:37 Megaf           Hi everyone
18:37 Megaf           Good evening
18:38 Krock           hi
18:39 VanessaE        hi
18:40 sfan5           !cat
18:40 MinetestBot     http://i.imgur.com/gfPVdsc.jpg
18:54 Krock           !doge
18:54 MinetestBot     http://i.imgur.com/uI51MQy.png
18:54 VanessaE        panda: http://www.brafton.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/shutterstock_109115501-e1354289583134.jpg
18:55 VanessaE        (pokes at sfan5 to code a suitable !pnd keyword :) )
18:55 * sfan5         pokes VanessaE for a suitable list of panda pics
18:56 VanessaE        google image search :P
18:57 PilzAdam        > google
18:58 hisforever      How do I make a kitchen cabinet?
18:59 Krock           kitten cabinet
19:01 PenguinDad      egod!
19:02 sfan5           !doge
19:02 MinetestBot     DOGE is at 0.00000034 BTC
19:02 sfan5           !doge
19:02 MinetestBot     DOGE is at 0.00000034 BTC
19:02 sfan5           !doge
19:02 MinetestBot     http://i.imgur.com/2MmvpGR.jpg
19:12 Megaf           What is this doge thing?
19:13 VanessaE        it's a cryptocurrency
19:14 VanessaE        Mint: Buy @ 0.00000220/LTC ($0.00001091) - Sell @ 0.00000194/LTC ($0.00000952) | Buy @ 0.00000003/BTC ($0.00001448) - Sell @ 0.00000002/BTC ($0.00000965)
19:15 * Krock         added an search-by-author feature to his mod search
19:15 VanessaE        (last price I saw for PND on that channel, about half an hour ago)
19:15 VanessaE        Krock: sounds useful.
19:16 Krock           VanessaE, you have 13 mods which start with [Mod]
19:16 Krock           (in title)
19:16 * sfan5         curls up to Krock's lap
19:16 Krock           2 modpacks, 2 mods in modding general
19:16 VanessaE        Krock: plus one I haven't put on the forum yet, https://github.com/VanessaE/angled_walls
19:17 Krock           *reads*
19:17 VanessaE        Krock: it does this:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2009052014%20-%2012%3a15%3a05%20PM.png
19:17 Krock           wow
19:17 VanessaE        nothing fancy, just an idea I got from jp, used it in the cobwebs in homedecor, expanded it to a generic mod of its own
19:17 Megaf           dat link
19:17 Krock           but a 3d node texture is not possible?
19:18 VanessaE        it exploits the fact that the engine draws the torchlike draw type always at 45 degree angles.
19:18 twoelk          Megaf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_(meme)
19:19 VanessaE        you can use the "ceiling" mode to get one direction and the "floor" mode to get the other (half turn 90 degrees) direction.
19:19 * Krock         likes his torch feature
19:19 Krock           +t
19:19 VanessaE        it's nothing new per se, I'm just surprised no one thought to use it this way before.
19:20 Jordach         ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
19:21 kahrl           VanessaE: I remember a very early mod making angled glass panes in this way
19:21 Jordach         that was me
19:21 VanessaE        kahrl: yeah, Jordach did something like that but his code didn't auto-place them
19:21 Krock           wow. paramat has 48 mods. that's kinda much
19:22 VanessaE        Jordach: I remember your mod expressly warned that the user had to point at the wall when placing the glass panes to get them to place correctly :)
19:22 PenguinDad      Krock: and nearly all of them are mapgen mods?
19:22 Jordach         VanessaE, yup
19:22 VanessaE        (which is why I said this isn't new.  just the code is new)
19:22 Krock           PenguinDad, some cars too, but most of it are mapgens
19:23 VanessaE        Jordach: see also the full version of the code, https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/blob/master/homedecor/cobweb.lua which looks like --> http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2009042014%20-%2005%3a23%3a18%20PM.png
19:24 Jordach         sfan5, add to !cat https://i.imgur.com/FS3KVP7.jpg
19:25 VanessaE        john_minetest: done, all three.
19:28 sfan5           Jordach: http://git.io/y-E3kA
19:28 sfan5           !title
19:28 MinetestBot     sfan5: Wie postet man Bilder vom PC? - Minetest Forums
19:28 sfan5           wat
19:28 sfan5           !title http://git.io/y-E3kA
19:28 MinetestBot     sfan5: Increase number of cats available via !cat command by 1 ·  07c7f7b · sfan5/minetestbot-modules · Git[...]
19:32 PenguinDad      that cat was hungry :D
19:33 Krock           lol
19:33 Krock           'how much does the kitten cost?'
19:34 twoelk          VanessaE: regarding discussion earlier about linking servers. I think the best way would be by using an inbetween pseudo world. Sort of a walkable mainmenu in disguise
19:35 VanessaE        interesting idea.
19:37 twoelk          you might remember the ca. one and a half hour discussion here: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2014-08-25#i_3885760
19:38 VanessaE        yep
19:38 VanessaE        I remember
19:43 twoelk          in the forum text I link to there, I describe that each world uses it's own way to jump to another server. I now think it might be easier for a linked world to just point to one address
19:44 twoelk          a central world populated by the server list
19:45 twoelk          maybe a room with stargates or a wood with ponds (as C.S.Lewis uses in the Magicians Nephew)
19:51 twoelk          actually the transfer station could be anything that reads the cebtral serverlist and builds a world/room with the according links to the servers. As such the design of the inbetween world could be supplied by a mod in the client, just as a texture is now
19:59 VanessaE        who cares>
19:59 VanessaE        they can always teleport to another server.
20:01 twoelk          Like I said you could supply mods that read the info of the serverlist so the station could like anything you want, including one with blinking lights over the tardis that links to the most used server
20:02 Krock           502 Bad Gateway
20:04 twoelk          this inbetween world should not be on the serverlist but rather the only destination out of any server using such a linking device
20:05 sfan5           !server players:most
20:05 MinetestBot     sfan5: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 33/78, 22/36 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 48ms
20:06 twoelk          this is just an idea to overcome some of the issues discussed about linking servers ingame
20:06 twoelk          I don't think this should completely replace the mainmenu
20:08 twoelk          use what suits you best ;-)
20:09 twoelk          I usually study the serverlist webpage before I visit a server. I has most of the information I seek. More than mainmenu
20:10 twoelk          true
20:11 PenguinDad      john_minetest: they are explained in the code :P
20:12 twoelk          http://wiki.minetest.net/User:Twoelk/server_list_experiments <- an older list I experimented with
20:14 twoelk          making everything sortable would result in a pretty wide list
20:15 twoelk          maybe automatic icons generated according to ip?
20:16 acestudios      Hi there
20:16 Krock           twoelk, the rows Cre until Far would be easier readable if they just would contain an X if the part is enabled
20:16 sfan5           http://sprunge.us/WbND
20:16 sfan5           topkek
20:16 Krock           hi acestudios
20:16 acestudios      MineTest is a copy of minecraft? yes?
20:16 sfan5           step 1: use proprietary web server and pretend it's secure
20:16 Krock           acestudios, go into a dark edge. it's not a copy.
20:16 sfan5           step 2: pretend the anti-hacking stuff actually works
20:16 PenguinDad      Krock: ✓ would be even better imo
20:17 sfan5           step 3: be l33t script kiddie!
20:17 Krock           PenguinDad, what does this square display on your screen?
20:17 Amaz            Jordach, someone has called the minetest player animation "primitive"! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9172&p=153281#p153281
20:18 acestudios      minus the fact its not java the game idea is the same
20:18 Krock           what minus?
20:18 acestudios      its a copy
20:18 acestudios      thats all i give a shit about
20:18 * Krock         trout slaps acestudios
20:18 * acestudios    loves to catch trout
20:19 Krock           <°((((-<
20:19 PenguinDad      Amaz: didn't you know that Jordach can't animate?
20:19 Krock           fishy.
20:19 Jordach         yes and no
20:19 Jordach         IK is like yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
20:19 Jordach         manual bones.................shudder
20:20 * sfan5         meows at Jordach
20:24 PenguinDad      Krock: get a better os
20:24 Krock           orange softdrink?
20:26 * PenguinDad    deskheads
20:26 * Krock         headdesks PenguinDad
20:27 * john_minetest heskdeads
20:27 * Krock         PenguinDads john_minetest
20:37 jojoa1997       Hello!
20:37 Krock           !olleH
20:43 jojoa1997       OldCoder o/
21:25 Krock           > PeguinDad
22:45 OldCoder        Yo
22:46 OldCoder        jojoa1997, ^
23:11 blaise          Zardoz555: hey, if you get onto a server and start begging for admin priv.. you're probably going to get banned, just fwi
23:12 blaise          s/fwi/fyi/
23:12 blaise          Zardoz555: if you want admin on a server start your own.
23:12 blaise          I damn sure aint gonna give you admin. I don't even know you.
23:13 blaise          further more, it's not really up to me
23:15 blaise          if the people that are on and play every day voice their oppinion and say that a person is very helpful and they can prove themselves trustworthy, I would give them priv.. but you're just some random a**hat begging for admin, so go f**k yourself.
23:15 blaise          dude spent like 8 hours begging my users for admin
23:15 blaise          asking who is the sysop