Time  Nick        Message
01:13 SoylentCow  --------------------------------------------------------------------
01:14 SoylentCow  is there a way to give items at spawn, on character creation? i feel like there is something i could put in .conf, but what?
01:15 SoylentCow  oh nmd give_initial_stuff....
01:16 SoylentCow  thanks rubenwardy :F
01:17 SoylentCow  talk about a crooked smile...
02:09 disillusion oh shit there's a lot of users in here
02:10 swift110    does anyone here play minetest on a tablet?
02:10 swift110    hey disillusion
02:10 disillusion hi!
02:10 swift110    lots of users but many are perennially idle
02:10 disillusion I've never played Minecraft but decided to try Minetest in order to try 3D city design stuff on linux.
02:10 swift110    how r u disillusion
02:11 disillusion so I ran a server just as an experiment, brought some people I know in, and they're all addicted to it.
02:12 disillusion this quarantine has made it a way for us to bond with other family, and kids seem to love it
02:12 swift110    thstd really cool disillusion
02:12 disillusion anyway, how do I find the log files for a server I'm running with the GUI, but it's running in flatpak?
02:13 Extex       sfan5: oof sorry I only just saw that now... Well I don't know how groups and tools work :3 always avoided them xD
02:13 swift110    i heard of this years ago and plY IT RARELY BUT I REALLY LIKE THE EPROJECT
02:13 disillusion I started running a Mineclone 2 server and now people are addicted, but I haven't yet figured out how to run a Mineclone 2 server on its own, so need the GUI, but occasionally want to see the log files.
02:14 swift110    I was thinking of doing a server myself
02:14 disillusion I can't find the config and log files when running a server on the gui on flatpak
02:15 Lone_Wolf   Not familiar with flatpak but I think you can find it if you search for a `debug.txt` file
02:15 disillusion swift110, I run a openvpn server that gets people securely connected, plus I have nextcloud server running which we all use for group voice and video chat as well as file sharing.
02:15 disillusion nextcloud now comes with built-in group video chat, all run from the browser so there's no setup for the clients
02:15 Lone_Wolf   'it' being the log file
02:16 disillusion oh this reminds me, a HUGE problem to solve: mac mouse cannot right click, thus making minetest almost unusable. If someone can fix the game so a mac mouse can right click (or keyboard alternative), that would be great.
02:17 Lone_Wolf   Need more devs with a mac lol
02:17 disillusion it was a huge pain in the ass to get a mac user on the game, since I had to find a version for 10 year old mac. But then we learned there's no way to right click on a mac, so mac users can't build in minetest, only walk around and observe.
02:17 swift110    oh wow disillusion
02:17 swift110    lol
02:18 disillusion they don't feel like buying a pc mouse
02:18 swift110    oh
02:18 disillusion I wouldn't be surprised if there are others who discover this issue when running minetest on a mac
02:19 swift110    then get a radical mouse
02:19 Emerald2    Guy I'm talking to said for the mac person to doubleclick.
02:19 Lone_Wolf   hah
02:19 Lone_Wolf   So it uses the android setup?
02:24 disillusion people need to start making youtube videos of themselves playing minetest like the minecrafters do.
02:24 disillusion what's a good way of doing that on linux?
02:26 swift110    oh
02:26 swift110    disillusion, they do
02:26 swift110    richard jeffries on youtube
02:27 disillusion I mean with people doing something in the game for the first time and people total goofballs
02:27 disillusion I should have been recording some of these people. It's basically a lot like the goofballs on minecraft, but I don't think people know you can have just as much fun on the free stuff as you can on Minecraft.
02:28 disillusion the current youtube vids of minetest are usually just one person explaining the game and maybe showing some stuff, but not showing a group getting crazy and having fun.
02:29 swift110    oh
02:29 swift110    why dont you be that person then
02:29 disillusion lol anyone can try it by talking some people into playing the game, and if they're over 21 convincing them to drink alcohol while playing, and just record what everyone's doing.
02:30 swift110    lol
02:30 swift110    i would do it but dont need alcohol
03:22 osprey_     Greetings
03:24 SoylentCow  3Moooooooo!!!!
03:28 Extex       Oof no
03:28 Extex       Osprey left :/
03:37 swift110    hey os
03:37 swift110    hey Extex
03:39 Extex       Uhh hi
07:49 TovSvetov   why using OpenBLAS through ffi causes minetest crashes?
07:49 TovSvetov   in pure luajit everything works fine
07:50 TovSvetov   (pure—without minetest)
09:29 sfan5       TovSvetov: "crashes" in what sense? do you get an error message?
09:30 TovSvetov   sfan5: no, minetest just closes
09:30 sfan5       I suggest debugging that with gdb then
09:31 TovSvetov   on Windows it can be tricky
09:35 sfan5       another debugging should also work but I'm familiar with gdb myself and it can be used on Windows too
09:36 sfan5       debugger*
12:45 bebebeko    folks, i have a strange question, i'm added two entities, first one at position {x = 1, y = 1, z = 1} and the second placed at { x = 12, y = 12, z = 12 } is there way to draw a LINE between these entites?
12:52 calcul0n__  i'd create a line entity and play with orientation/scaling
12:52 calcul0n__  don't know if there's a better way
12:54 bebebeko    calcul0n__: thank you
14:19 Andrey01    hello
14:20 Andrey01    is it possible to adjust altitude of the clouds extension?
14:22 sfan5       yes
14:24 Andrey01    and how?
15:15 bairradino  I just installed minetest server usin this site instructions on ubuntu https://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server/Debian on a raspberry pi
15:16 bairradino  the server is running and i changed the port on the minetest.conf to 30010
15:17 bairradino  when i try to connect the load bar stops at media 0% and then gives this error: Access denied. Reason: Connection timed out.
15:17 bairradino  any idea? i did use the save game/world from a client and used on the apropiate
15:19 sfan5       are you sure the port was changed correctly?
15:21 bairradino  sfan5, yes, i checked at the log
15:22 bairradino  i did find this error
15:22 bairradino  2020-07-22 15:14:49: ERROR[Server]: saveMapMeta: could not write /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/worlds/Mundo do Mateus/map_meta.txt
15:22 bairradino  2020-07-22 15:14:49: ERROR[Server]: saveMapMeta: could not write /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/worlds/Mundo do Mateus/map_meta.txt
15:23 bairradino  could it be a permissions issue with the folder? since the original owner is different?
15:23 bairradino  i used zip to try and avoid it...
15:31 bairradino  I tried with a different user, a new one, it asked for the registration thing and after thet the connection timed out
15:31 sfan5       firewall?
15:31 bairradino  it was running on my sons laptop from the gui client and i could connect.
15:32 bairradino  does ubuntu has a firewall by default?
15:32 sfan5       don't think so
15:32 bairradino  let me try to port scan my network
15:41 bairradino  the last line of the log is like this Server for gameid="minetest" listening on 0.0.0.0:30000.
15:48 sfan5       then the port was not changed correctly
15:53 bairradino  i just deleted the world and the server made a new one and i entered
15:54 bairradino  so, the problem is with the save files somewhere
15:54 bairradino  maybe the useres or permissions...
15:54 sfan5       ??
15:55 sfan5       if your log says "listening on 0.0.0.0:30000." then it's is not listening on port 30010 and you should fix that first
15:57 bairradino  i changed it to see if it was that the problrm
15:57 bairradino  i connected with 30010 and same problem.
15:57 bairradino  i am connected and playing on the server but not with the world save i had....
15:59 bairradino  something on the world save is not allowing me to connect to the server, we werent using passwords could it be that? i could edit the sqlite if needed
17:43 bairradino  sfan5, I fixed it, i compiled it myself and  i am running it from the compilation folder,
22:02 specing     > rubenwardy | How can we (core devs) facilliate the development of a community-led Minetest Game?
22:03 specing     I don't know the answer to that, but an admin complained to me that mods do not follow common configuration formats
22:03 specing     Perhaps forcing mods to be configured the same way would be a great start?
22:23 specing     minetest_game 6d2a897e1bb9e6af31f3b2b5e8e28cb1cf4892f7 breaks for me on 5.2.0
22:23 specing     2020-07-23 00:20:26: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/specing/.minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/creative/init.lua:
22:23 specing     2020-07-23 00:20:26: ERROR[Main]: ...ing/.minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/creative/init.lua:35: attempt to call upvalue 'old_is_creative_enabled' (a nil value)
22:24 bairradino  starting my stream in 5 minutes - Technical playing - Expanding my bonemeal farm http://twitch.tv/bairradino
22:24 specing     cc: sfan5
22:24 sfan5       minetest_game 5.3.0 is not compatible with 5.2.0
22:26 specing     Ok, I have a bunch of local checkouts for development purposes. checked out 5.2.0 now and it works
23:09 balirt      he has a relaxing voice, I'm going to fall asleep to this
23:28 fedora117   Why does 5.3 break 5.2 compatibility?
23:29 fedora117   I'm on 5.2 right now and I can still use mods from 4.x series....
23:29 fedora117   Nvm I'm on 5.1*
23:55 swift110    hey
23:55 swift110    lol