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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> model-swapped carts :D |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> honestly not a bad idea if you don't have the CPU budget for real advtrains I guess... |
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cheapie |
Blockhead256: It's more fun swapping them into the motorbike mod, because then you can have a train driving down the road and occasionally pulling a wheelie |
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cheapie |
...and I also have a script that turns them into functional lawnmowers |
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cheapie |
Like this, except imagine /this/ model-swapped: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-04-26%2014-44-16.webm |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> yeah I've seen the lawnmowers, pretty funny |
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cheapie |
How about the musical barcode scanner? https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-04-16%2018-15-33.webm |
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cheapie |
Inspired by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTiHkr1z6qQ |
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ltuyen |
When i was an kid, i remember watching CN to watch some shows, including Ben 10 :) |
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ltuyen |
The only good thing about CN is just nostalgic old shows, nothing else |
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ltuyen |
Now, I just don't have an Cable TV in my house. I don't need that. |
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repetitivestrain |
Why was https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/5916 closed? |
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repetitivestrain |
this is the fix: https://codeberg.org/halon/Minetest/commit/2dd6fab54ab06edef2663ad7e594e5287d3c0fb4 |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> looks like it was closed because of the report of it not reoccurring from "IrrLichtMt4", when triager Zughy then closed some time later |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> if it's still actually occurring then that's important info |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> if I try to recall, I think I've seen that message when the server is under extreme load |
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repetitivestrain |
the really important ramification is that a MapChunk where just one block fails to generate will be reported in whole to on_complete |
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repetitivestrain |
on_generated callbacks* |
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repetitivestrain |
and when subsequently emerged again will prompt the entire MapChunk to be regenerated |
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repetitivestrain |
Blockhead256: also, these were IrrLichtMt4's exact words: _the issue doe not happen as much_ in the recent version of Minetest but it _still happens_. [...]] |
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repetitivestrain |
it is produced by MapBlocks queued for emerge being unloaded before the emerge process completes |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> true, I was only glancing, but basically my point is I figure the same level of fuzziness I just displayed was probably at work when they closed it.. |
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repetitivestrain |
which is effectively addressed by acquiring a reference to such MapBlock for as long as they are in generation |
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repetitivestrain |
i am only asking because this is critical to the functioning of mineclonia's new map generator on slower PCs |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> would you like me to send that patch upstream? |
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repetitivestrain |
That'd be lovely |
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repetitivestrain |
thanks |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> can you please fill out https://raw.githubusercontent.com/luanti-org/luanti/refs/heads/master/.github/PULL_REQUEST_TEMPLATE.md and send me a pastebin? |
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repetitivestrain |
Sure, 10 minutes |
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repetitivestrain |
Blockhead256: https://paste.debian.net/1385796/ |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> hopefully this is right https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/pull/16335 |
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repetitivestrain |
appears splendid, thank you |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> not sure about GitHub ToS, but wouldn't it be nice to have a bot that takes an HTML form and submits it as a PR? anyway, would have to be hidden or something, would probably get spammed |
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repetitivestrain |
Is Wuzzy here? |
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repetitivestrain |
Would he test https://codeberg.org/halon/Minetest/commit/d2106ed002e4a833e35bdb51fc557b83f906feba and report whether it resolves https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/16197? |
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repetitivestrain |
i wrote this commit specifically for my CSM (where the entirety of the LocalPlayer physics step is implemented in Lua) but it's not immediately apparent that only my CSM is impacted by this tolerance issue |
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Blockhead256 |
not in the client list, so you'd be counting on him checking the logs |
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repetitivestrain |
Regrettable |
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repetitivestrain |
why hasn't he a bouncer... |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> you could always try a !tell |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> https://wuzzy.codeberg.page/meta/contact/ |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> may or may not be of use |
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repetitivestrain |
the email should be |
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repetitivestrain |
i can reproduce the abrupt false horizontal collisions in devtest too |
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repetitivestrain |
by simply digging a two block tall tunnel, rapidly jumping while moving forward, and observing that the X and Z velocities are sporadically zeroed despite the absence of any horizontal collisions |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=31828 - why *don't* we support unicode filenames?? |
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sfan5 |
portability and simplicity. and this is unlikely to change. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> we have unicode support in the locale file formats, is it because there might be problems like UTF16 filenames on certain OSes? |
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sfan5 |
handling UTF-8 needs extra thought when working with file transfer, url encodings, network encoding, ZIP files and more. while keeping a safe set of ASCII is just guaranteed to work. |
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sfan5 |
naming your media file 水.png is all cool until someone uploads a ZIP file with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBK_(character_encoding) to contentdb and it stops working for no apparent reason |
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sfan5 |
or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_JIS or any of the stupid latin variants that we had before unicode |
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sfan5 |
realistically Luanti's codebase is well prepared to handle this and it might even work as-is (when removing the restrictions) but there a large potential of bugs that make it just not worth it |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> it would also introduce a network incompatibility again right? |
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sfan5 |
sort of. any server using unicode media filenames would not work on older clients |
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repetitivestrain |
sfan5: ... if an emerge is aborted this needs to happen too, but I don't see any code for that. |
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repetitivestrain |
where are such aborts initiated? AFAICT getBlockOrStartGen calls initBlockMake, and excepting Lua crashes (in which case the server aborts anyway), the emerge thread will proceed to completion and invoke finishGen |
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repetitivestrain |
which invokes finishBlockMake to release the acquired reference |
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repetitivestrain |
if by ``abort'' you mean EMERGE_CANCELED, then isn't it impossible for this condition to be reported if initBlockMake succeeds |
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sfan5 |
that is true but I'd rather have the code handle the lua error case cleanly to avoid the risk of broken refcounting if someone edits the code in the future |
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repetitivestrain |
alright, i'll adjust it when i get off work |
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repetitivestrain |
sfan5: how's this? https://codeberg.org/halon/Minetest/commit/e93848da06a5d10c74d21a6a82983a0699eb588e |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> repetitivestrain: btw, thanks for the info yesterday, that's interesting. i wonder, if luanti were on codeberg, would you directly interact with the issue tracker? |
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repetitivestrain |
luantic: i would, yes |
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repetitivestrain |
Codeberg satisfies the FSF's ethical repository criteria and it doesn't require me to surrender my number for 2FA |
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sfan5 |
neither does github btw |
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repetitivestrain |
luatic: also i apologize for having misspelt your handle |
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sfan5 |
repetitivestrain: aside from the code style, sure |
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repetitivestrain |
sfan5: i'll correct that also in a trice |
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krikoepaf |
How to build Luanti without SDL? |
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Krock |
krisbug: -DUSE_SDL2=0 |
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Krock |
oops. wrong autocorrect |
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ireallyhateirc |
@luatic, why are you reviewing our PRs in Exile? :P |
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ireallyhateirc |
I mean I don't mind it, we just weren't expecting you there |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> i was just looking at things in the luanti discord, saw a link to that PR posted there, peeked at it, and noticed some things :p |
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ireallyhateirc |
I see |
