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00:23 erle i never made a poop mod
00:23 erle but in mesecraft cows make poop
00:23 erle it's fertilizer or so
00:44 cheapie erle: I know you never actually made one but you were discussing ideas for it for quite a while that one time :P
00:47 swift110-mobile hey all
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01:28 erle cheapie poop armor. put poop on head, on chest, on arms, on feet.
01:28 erle good night
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03:00 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> we have local core = core or minetest submitted to ContentDB before, and a package will get rejected over that alone https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=31940
03:01 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> *have had
03:02 Helenah Hi Blackhead, you like that music group, right? :3
03:02 Helenah *Blockhead
03:03 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> blackhead lul
03:03 Helenah Or is it about blocky heads on luanti/minecraft characters?
03:03 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> don't know the music group sorry, it's an expression that goes back a fair way
03:03 Helenah There's a societal collapse going on right now on a luanti server, it's soo sad! :(
03:04 Helenah They're all turning to USSR-like movement! o.o
03:04 Helenah And Blockhead doesn't support Luanti Hooverments, they said so in an article I once read.
03:04 user2_ hah i WAS right, there are 0.4x versions without core.xyz- just minetest.xyz
03:05 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> at least it's easier to organise agriculture in Luanti so we shouldn't have as many starvations as the great leap forward or holodomor
03:05 Helenah "I saw it in a documentary on BBC 2"! :D haha
03:05 Helenah You're Aussie, right? :3
03:05 Helenah I think you're aussie...
03:06 Helenah I'm sensitive to aussies, you see... (Just kidding)
03:06 user2_ anyway, as i said, there's no reason to provide backwards compatibility that way... unless that PR was a mod that wanted to support <0.4.10
03:07 user2_ and who uses that in 2025- like 10 years ago
03:08 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> "I love arsetralia" - Oprah Winfrey and many other americans
03:10 Helenah "arsetralia" :D
03:10 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> It's how you guys say it alright :)
03:10 Helenah The arse end of the nature trail, full of koalas.
03:10 Helenah At least you got the BT phone socket. o.o
03:11 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> what do they have an america then??
03:12 Helenah I think you mean Trumptania. :(
03:12 user2_ i have never wondered how to pronounce australia-
03:12 Helenah God I hate that guy, lets forget about that one!
03:13 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> starts with the "o" vowel
03:13 Helenah user2_: Yeah, it's not "arse"trail-leah, us brits got it wrong, combining the anus with the name "Leah", and nature trails...
03:15 Helenah user2_: Think of like "Austin Powers"
03:15 user2_ so i assume Blockhead is from australia? :P
03:15 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> the "o" vowel is a bit different in different countries, for it's it quite flat, for brits a bit more ronded, and the americans a bit broader, but.. that's just accent. The way a lot of "foreigns" say it is too dragged out though
03:16 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> It's just the early afternoon over here :)
03:16 user2_ it's midnight here-
03:16 user2_ i'm on the southeast coast of canada
03:16 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> user2_ the way I read that- every time you end a sentence like that it's like you're cutting yourself shor-
03:17 user2_ that's the idea
03:17 Helenah user2_: Btw, Aussies get stoned on the eucalyptus plant all day, they live in it.
03:17 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> Helenah: oh, UK? Yeah actually I bought an appliance with a UK plug once and rewired it for AU (doesn't draw too much voltage, so it's fine)
03:17 user2_ i use it as a replacement for '...' mostly
03:18 Helenah :D
03:18 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> *draw too much current, same voltage
03:18 Helenah I'm off-grid, in the UK
03:18 Helenah We don't have eucalyptus to get stoned on.
03:19 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> you can get the concentrated stuff. Not for consumption though, you can poison yourself with eucalyptus oil. It's a wonder the koalas even have the guts to digest eucalyptus
03:20 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> Ever played the Australia mod for MTG? It's way more "at home" for me. So many Euro/Amero/green-grass centric biomes in most games
03:20 Helenah :D
03:20 Helenah No
03:20 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> it's got like 60 tree species, but doesn't come with animals. But Liil has made a kangaroo
03:21 user2_ same- i use plain unmodded MTG for testing (except worldedit)
03:21 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> I got caught up on details, but for a while I was keeping up https://github.com/Aussieforks/australia/ for a server project
03:21 user2_ for a better gameplay experience i play on a server ofc
03:22 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> josselin2/tunneler's abyss probably have a slight edge (I forked of Josselin2's
03:23 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> and for mapgen, custom carpathian settings https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?p=413584#p413584
03:23 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> (josselin2 goes by axcore on GitHub, and participates in https://gitlab.com/tunnelers-abyss/ )
03:23 Helenah -Soo much colour! :D
03:24 Helenah user2_: I play on the server of someone Blockhead knows. :3
03:24 user2_ i never really make mods/games, i'm still learning lua/c++
03:24 user2_ Helenah: i play on CTF mostly and a small creative server i moderate on
03:24 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> well good on you for learning
03:25 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> the Lua in Luanti is the time you spend in a text editor, it's part of playing the game :P
03:25 Helenah :D
03:25 user2_ yeah, i already know a lot of python, to my despair the API was with lua scripts
03:26 Helenah I play on a survival mode, creative server, no monsters, but we have PvP arenas.
03:27 user2_ i play on the original CTF server (which is really dead rn due to lag) and the aforementioned creative server- i haven't really tried any other servers
03:28 Helenah I'm a moderator. :3
03:28 user2_ i am too-
03:29 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> ewww janny (it's okay to be a janny, but you have to think it's cringe anyway)
03:29 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> not throwing shade, it's just the mentality you have to have to keep yourself humble imo
03:30 Helenah I'm a moderator for #linux and #linux-offtopic too
03:30 Helenah Check my cloak
03:30 Helenah Infact, that's how I ended up moderator on a luanti server.
03:30 Helenah Automatic trust...
03:31 user2_ oh- i thought you meant an ingame moderator, not IRC moderator, which i am not.
03:31 user2_ i've been playing MT since early-mid 2024 and joined the IRC like a week ago-
03:33 Helenah No, in-game moderator and IRC moderator, I said to the admin that if they ever needed any help moderating, I'd be able to, then I linked them to this page: https://linux.chat/linux-on-libera/staff-bots/
03:33 Helenah The next thing, I wake up from a coma, and I'm a moderator on a Luanti server.
03:33 Helenah I don't remember what happened prior...
03:33 user2_ i'm just an ingame moderator ;-;
03:33 user2_ since early 2025
03:34 Helenah 2024 here I think.
03:34 Helenah I hope when the societal collapse happens, the server is still around... :(
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03:34 user2_ what server?
03:35 Helenah 1F616EMO Survival Server, it's in the public list. :3
03:36 user2_ found it
03:36 user2_ the server i moderate is in the top 10 rn, that's insane
03:37 user2_ we get sooooo many multicraft users -_-
03:37 Helenah Nice! :D
03:37 Helenah We seem to get people joining and quickly leaving without saying a word. :(
03:38 Helenah We even moved spawn, re-created it, same issue.
03:38 user2_ happens a lot here, they usually join, dig a hole near spawn, fly around for 5min, and never return
03:39 user2_ occasionally we get an annoying 6yo who asks to be a moderator after 5min of playing
03:40 Helenah To be honest, the way the public list works seems a bit unfair... because if a player joins, it seems that others join... so basically... you now have a situation where if you're gaining popularity, all players accumulate to your server from there one, causing an uneven distribution situation, where the most popular just accumulate all the players, while others never stand a chance at gaining
03:40 Helenah popularity.
03:40 Helenah Yeah, just teach those 6 year olds in a 6 year old tongue the effects on others psyche when privileges are asked for rather than waited for. They're just kids! :D Lot of learn. :3
03:40 Helenah If they beg, this is different.
03:40 user2_ the server will slowly rise to power if it is well-liked, like ours :D
03:41 Helenah The effect on the psyche is suspicion. :)
03:41 Helenah Yeah, this is the issue though.
03:41 Helenah You haven't thought of the effect that creates, have you?
03:42 Helenah You end up with a top 1% that will ALWAYS be popular... will ALWAYS grow in numbers... while every other server can never grow, because the top 1% is automatically accumulating all the Luanti player base.
03:42 Helenah This needs a re-think.
03:42 Helenah And it could be done in how things are ordered in the public list.
03:42 user2_ it took less than a year for ours to rise up in the serverlist- most of the other servers have stayed dead for years, why is it a few specific servers that rise to power?
03:43 Helenah user2_: Can you explain why this is? What are you doing different that is raising your user count?
03:43 Helenah We're trying to figure it out... for ourselves... why players join and immediately leave.
03:44 Helenah I thought it was because the first spawn was too "noob" but... changing the location of spawn and re-designing it didn't change the situation.
03:44 Helenah I don't expect the server to boom but it would be nice if it wasn't often just me playing alone. lol
03:44 user2_ ...mostly afking online so we get ~1-2 staff online, this puts the server in the top 100 or so, it gets discovered by users looking for a new server
03:45 Helenah hmm
03:45 user2_ also it's one of the only lightly modded creative servers
03:45 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> it's easier on a server like CTF that gets "straight into the action"
03:45 Helenah So that's the secret... now this explains to me why a popular server I'm on, the admin is constantly sat in a pool or on a deck chair.
03:45 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> I wish Emoji all the best, he's done a good job with the mods on innovating and reworking
03:46 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> but his server seems very mature-mind-oriented, because it's a planned city and public transport network, not just straight into the mining and crafting and building a plot
03:46 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> the server is in asia, so hopefully it can attract a decent userbase in that timezone
03:46 Helenah Yeah, we have something called "Newcomers" plots and I'm personally not sure this gives a good impression, I think it might make people feel like their hand is being held and put them off.
03:47 user2_ we also run a survival server- but it's a private server for staff discussion
03:47 user2_ (and blowing things up with TNT sometimes)
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04:01 Helenah user2_: I run a castle.
04:01 user2_ a castle?...
04:02 Helenah user2_: Are you ready to embrace the societal collapse? :3
04:02 Helenah Oh
04:02 Helenah I was joking, I don't run a castle...
04:02 user2_ i thought you meant a server by that name or smth
04:02 Helenah We were talking about running things, I thought I'd put my 2 pence in the mix! :D
04:03 Helenah user2_: I'm serious about the upcoming societal collapse though, are you ready to embrace it? :3
04:04 user2_ uhh
04:05 Helenah user2_: Like foreal...
04:05 Helenah o.o
04:05 user2_ idk-
04:06 Helenah user2_: There's one coming.
04:06 Helenah o.o
04:07 * user2_ changes topic back to luanti
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04:08 Helenah oh
04:09 user2_ anyway- me and my friends built a giant parkour course that is ~20 mapblocks tall-
04:10 user2_ and uses a bug with fences to   c l i p   t h r o u g h   w a l l s
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04:23 mrcheese :P
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16:49 Guest32 Where is located the `static_spawn_point` function mentioned at https://docs.luanti.org/for-creators/spawn-algorithm/ ?
16:50 sfan5 it's not a function
16:50 sfan5 it's a setting
16:50 sfan5 in minetest.conf
16:50 Guest32 How do I set it?
16:51 Guest32 Like- what does it expects as a value?
16:52 identity a boolean or something?
16:52 sfan5 a position
16:52 user2_ probably true/false or x/y/z coordinates
16:53 sfan5 also the page is wrong, it's called static_spawnpoint
16:53 sfan5 not static_spawn_point
16:53 Guest32 I kinda wish I had auto completion-... As there's LOTS of functions or things in general whichare confusing even with the docs
16:54 sfan5 you can find a list of all settings in the main menu
16:54 sfan5 enable "advanced settings" to see all
16:54 jonadab I mean, someone could write a mintest_conf_mode.el for editing minetest.conf and put in tab completion...
16:54 jonadab (But I am not volunteering to maintain it.)
16:55 Guest32 I dont even has auto complete for the lua files - In the doc site there's mention of a VSCode plugin, installed it and still nothing
16:56 Guest32 Leaving me clueless on lots of functions, what even are the objects they expects or returns
16:57 Guest32 As they are just unknown type even with extension
16:58 user2_ vscode + lua worked fine for me, though i use a more lightweight IDE for most stuff
16:59 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> luanti-org/luanti: Formspec: Fix missing CHG:n fields (regression) 421835a https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/421835a30ebe46e4712cb2b0fe3787ae8ef0a674 (2025-09-24T16:37:31Z)
17:00 Guest32 I use these two extensions: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=GreenXenith.minetest-tools, https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=sumneko.lua - Which ones u using to mame it work?
17:01 Guest32 Or IDE
17:02 user2_ i'm not sure which ones it's using, i don't use vscode as my primary IDE
17:02 jonadab I've always just used Emacs.  Learned it in 1998, never looked back.
17:02 MTDiscord <et086> luals has the potential to have the best completions, someone is already working on it https://github.com/corpserot/luanti_lsp_definitions/
17:02 user2_ i recommend the Geany IDE for a basic multipurpose IDE
17:03 user2_ use nano for CLI
17:03 MTDiscord <et086> i think neovim is really neat (only if you are willing to learn it though, it's a lot to learn)
17:03 jonadab The only thing I use nano for, is editing /etc/apt/sources.lst on a new system, when I need to do that in order to install Emacs.
17:04 jonadab Err, sources.list I mean.
17:06 user2_ nano is easy to use compared to most CLI IDEs
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17:07 MTDiscord <et086> yeah but i think sometimes easy to use (i viewed that statement as "easy for a new user to understand") doesn't really mean good
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17:08 Ingar see: notepad
17:08 user2_ that's the worst possible IDE... no syntax highlighting or auto indentation
17:09 Desour "that's the worst possible IDE..." <- that statement is always false
17:09 MTDiscord <et086> xD
17:09 Ingar I"m old enough te remember EDLIN in DOS
17:10 Desour because if you have something, you can make it worse
17:10 MTDiscord <et086> true
17:10 user2_ well you could always use 'echo "text" > file.txt' come up with something worse than that
17:10 Ingar I like not being tied do a particular editor
17:11 Ingar that way you're not helpless if it isn't available
17:11 Desour I also recommend geany, btw. it's neat.
17:11 user2_ yeah it's what i use
17:11 Ingar I usually use KDE's kate
17:12 Ingar it edits
17:12 Desour I use kate for C++ nowadays
17:12 MTDiscord <et086> Ingar: i don't think that's a good idea, because then you don't have a chance to actually learn how to use your editor to the fullest
17:12 Desour geany got LSP support, after I switched to kate. but I haven't tired it yet
17:13 MTDiscord <et086> also kdevelop exists
17:13 Ingar kdevelop is usually overkill
17:13 Ingar I want to edit some code, not manage my project
17:15 Ingar but in the end, I have my project in kdevelop, do some quick edits in kate, or do some on-the-road editing in vim
17:15 Ingar or notepadqq if I'm on a lightwieght desktop machine
17:16 user2_ i have like 5 IDEs installed-
17:16 MTDiscord <et086> Ingar: i dunno if thats a good way to do things (but if it works for you that's great)
17:17 Ingar et806: by the time you have learned all the functions of your IDE, an update will be released that breaks your workflow (or your project)
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17:17 user2_ 2 generic ones, one for C++ in specific, one for C++ on a microcontroller, and IDLE which i rarely use...
17:17 Ingar in the end, use what is approriate for you, for a particular task, at that particular time
17:18 Ingar most of my C++ was written with generic editors
17:19 MTDiscord <et086> Ingar: i highly doubt that will happen for me, i don't think neovim will be changing vim motions anytime soon, and all i really need is lsp, a file manager, my colorscheme and a fuzzy picker i think
17:21 Guest32 Breh- I cant seem to get any auto completor or anything related to Luanti to work ... Imma just ask one by one the objects definitions I guess and code in the blind
17:21 Guest32 What is the object definition for ObjectRef and Player ?
17:21 Ingar et086: then you're all set :)
17:21 Krock I'm using the most recent AppImage of kDevelop, and after about 4 years it does still work well :3
17:22 MTDiscord <et086> Guest32 as in like, lua lsp annotations for objectref and player?
17:24 Guest32 As in: I cant even get lua lsp annotations works at all or anything similar -- its still all unknown and not recognized
17:25 Guest32 So uh yea, my next best option is ask ya all what is the exact types definitions
17:25 user2_ or use another IDE ;)
17:25 MTDiscord <et086> user2_: no IDE on earth has good luanti completions i think
17:26 user2_ well, one that works with generic lua at least
17:26 MTDiscord <et086> Guest32: Okay so there are 3 projects for luanti lua lsp type definitions, all of them incomplete in some way
17:26 MTDiscord <et086> user2_: yeah the IDEs would just use the lua lsp
17:27 MTDiscord <et086> Guest32: The project that looks most promising (although not complete) for luanti lua lsp type definitions is https://github.com/corpserot/luanti_lsp_definitions
17:28 Guest32 Lua completion works, I can make any libs get detected from other projects -- but just cant seem to recognize anything about the luanti no matter the projects
17:28 Guest32 I ve tried that one u gave me too et086
17:28 MTDiscord <et086> Guest32: What should it recognize
17:28 Guest32 Types, functions
17:29 MTDiscord <et086> i think corpserot's definitions had instructions on how to use them
17:29 MTDiscord <et086> yeah
17:29 MTDiscord <et086> https://github.com/corpserot/luanti_lsp_definitions?tab=readme-ov-file#how-to-use
17:29 Guest32 I followed whats on the read me but yeaa .
17:30 MTDiscord <et086> maybe you need to restart your editor i dunno, you could make a github issue on that project i guess
17:31 MTDiscord <et086> i dunno if it would conflict with the luanti tools vscode plugin (as that provides its own completions, if it would conflict i'd imagine 2 seperate completions showing up? i dunno)
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17:41 Guest43 So uhm- since auto complete is not an option- Where are the complete type definitions and their functions in the docs?
17:42 sfan5 lua_api.md is all we have
17:42 Guest43 ,-,
17:43 user2_ you can poke through the source code.... see you in 3 years
17:44 sfan5 the docs are largely self-explanatory, but not machine readable
17:45 Krock I have a parser for lua_api.md that turns it into an autocomplete list that is understood by CudaText
17:46 MTDiscord <et086> Guest43: it is an option, you can use corpserot's luanti lsp definitions, or the https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=GreenXenith.minetest-tools extension provides autocomplete (that isn't aware of types i think)
17:46 MTDiscord <et086> (assuming you are using vscode)
17:49 Guest43 It lacks alot
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17:50 Helenah Toodaloo, toodaloo toodaloo, toodaloo, toodaloo toodaloo
17:50 Helenah Hi :3
17:51 MTDiscord <et086> Guest43: then im curious how corpserot's luanti lsp definitions aren't working for you
17:51 Guest43 E.g. it knows none of the core.register functions
17:52 MTDiscord <et086> Oh
17:52 MTDiscord <et086> then yeah it is unfinished
17:53 Guest43 It finds pretty much only 12 entries under the `core`, which is not much when given the online doc has LOTS of functions - but unsure what to even pass down into the parameters or even knows what they are returning
17:54 MTDiscord <et086> it knows, but for some reason there are annotations for ABM definitions but it doesn't actually bother making a core.register_abm function, dunno why corpserot left it incomplete specifically like that
17:54 Guest43 Which is kinda giving struggles to even get started on luanti
17:56 MTDiscord <et086> i have made my own project for luanti lua lsp definitions, it is more complete than corpserot's but can be very very wrong sometimes https://github.com/TheEt1234/luanti_lsp_definitions (i don't recommend actually using it because it can be wrong, and it won't be maintained, possibly better than nothing?) (also corpserot's is a fork of mine but they decided to just change everything because my project was such a mess)
17:58 Guest43 I mean- at this point, I prefer sometimes wrong than not knowing the rought idea of what functions are supposed to take as argument-
17:59 MTDiscord <et086> okay, but i recommend to switch to corpserot's luanti lua lsp annotations once they are complete
18:00 Guest43 I could prob combine them in some sort ... prob need to look into config how to do that
18:00 MTDiscord <et086> Guest43: bad idea
18:01 MTDiscord <et086> and you can't i think
18:01 MTDiscord <et086> (well, combine them in a way that doesn't cause 10 000 warnings)
18:02 Guest43 I was thinking of more like: Priotize Corpserot's but if it cant find, try look up on yours
18:02 Guest43 Not actual merge
18:07 Guest43 Yeaa- yours works much better and is much better recognized by the editor, and doesn't even yells at core being unknown while still having some form of types -smh-
18:08 Guest43 Thanks alot!
18:09 MTDiscord <et086> (Also keep in mind that i don't use it anymore, i'm waiting for corpserot's luanti lua lsp definitions, because doing things like extending the node definition will be different with them)
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