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Sheriff_U3 |
IRC stands for In Real Life Chat :) |
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Sheriff_U3 |
except they leave out the L. |
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MTDiscord |
<raspberrypimaniac> ?? XD |
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mazes_80 |
so you mean: In Real life Chat ? |
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Sheriff_U3 |
Does no one get jokes anymore unless they're posted online everywhere? |
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user333_ |
probably |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> any time you don't understand a joke, just ask ChatGPT to explain it, that will make it funny |
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Sheriff_U3 |
lol |
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user333_ |
"hey chatgpt, what's that joke about the seahorse emoji that's been going around?" |
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MinetestBot |
[git] AFCMS -> luanti-org/luanti: Build Docker image for ARM (#15980) 1dd278c https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/1dd278cc138cde988bfa501adf31b97d81c253d8 (2026-02-12T14:51:14Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] cx384 -> luanti-org/luanti: Main menu: Add server list sort filter (#16801) 0dde503 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/0dde50384e0d4eeb448c0d66b0acb90bcdaaf454 (2026-02-12T14:53:23Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] FreshAlacrity -> luanti-org/luanti: Add setting to disable damage flash (#16009) 3529750 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/3529750670a1828e0dd3a97c6fed3117c59045de (2026-02-12T14:53:56Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] CrazyladMT -> luanti-org/luanti: Formspec: Make scrollbars scroll while holding down arrow buttons (#1… 0d995ae https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/0d995ae468cee845b2e278d6d84261d502ed4719 (2026-02-12T14:55:06Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> luanti-org/luanti: Refactor: Move weights to vertex buffer 6c7d626 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/6c7d626f0e4b4ecb7f83f0d2ea5ee483b71cd8cb (2026-02-12T14:56:19Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> luanti-org/luanti: Refactor: Introduce HWBuffer 3a8274e https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/3a8274e6a9fb9f5e3fe4257c98ea486a8ebfc559 (2026-02-12T14:56:19Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> luanti-org/luanti: Refactor: Merge interface and impl for BoneSceneNode 9dbf34f https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/9dbf34fe0de7701a20785645fae1c2fc6c7ff651 (2026-02-12T14:56:19Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> luanti-org/luanti: Refactor: Rename OpenGLVBO -> OGLBufferObject 3777b4e https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/3777b4ead727005a4e109c3a9090e2093d9a0bf6 (2026-02-12T14:56:19Z) |
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MinetestBot |
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farofa |
hello folks! how are you? the latest commit failed to build. CI is running |
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farofa |
not found SDL_opengl.h |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Can you share the build output in a pastebin or so? |
| 15:31 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> so far it looks like i made a silly mistake where i failed to properly update my PR after _IRR_USE_SDL3_ was introduced, which uses a different header |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> i should have just transitively gotten the header via Common.h, which it seems i already include, so i should have just dropped it |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> thanks for the report, i'll have a patch for you in a minute when my compile has finished |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> farofa: #16939 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/16939 -- Remove redundant and broken SDL_opengl.h includes by appgurueu |
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farribeiro |
https://paste.centos.org/view/a05525dd |
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farribeiro |
flatpak freedesktop-sdk tooling |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> farribeiro: does my patch work? it should |
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farribeiro |
i dont see your patch |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> farribeiro: it's the commit in the linked pr, https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/pull/16939/changes/6ce243dab0a58806182a1cfbad868336c3887306 |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> (i made it a PR to get CI trial runs) |
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farribeiro |
lets wait CI |
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farribeiro |
my build passed |
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MTDiscord |
<bastrabun> is that related? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/44fd6c08 |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Bastrabun: Doesn't look related. On a hunch, this could be an issue unearthed by the recent texture-related changes that came with array textures. |
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MTDiscord |
<bastrabun> "active renderer: 4.6/opengl3/sdl 2.32.10" |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> merged |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> looks like the github feed in this channel died? |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> luanti-org/luanti: Remove redundant and broken SDL_opengl.h includes 137fbc6 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/137fbc65a07047a4a1680001b784781bd2cc0136 (2026-02-12T17:09:38Z) |
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farribeiro |
i dont think so |
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whosit |
just running out of VRAM should not reboot linux, right? :p |
| 18:24 |
Sheriff_U3 |
I don't think so, but I'm not sure. |
| 18:25 |
Sheriff_U3 |
What distro? |
| 18:25 |
whosit |
debian... testing? |
| 18:26 |
whosit |
it's related to this issue: https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/16940 |
| 18:26 |
whosit |
we can't get a backtrace or even any logs, because system just dies, nothing even in journalctl... |
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Sheriff_U3 |
weird |
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Sheriff_U3 |
I've likely maxed out my vram before (seeing as how I only have 1GB of it) but it's never crashed my system. (Linux Mint) |
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whosit |
I think when I run out of VRAM, only graphics can crash (I still have access to VT and can just restart it...) |
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whosit |
weird part is no logs or stuff in dmesg when remotely connected |
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ireallyhateirc |
hmm can we have world-aligned textures for entities? |
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Krock |
ireallyhateirc: entities have no world alignment |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
though you could chop the texture using modifiers |
| 19:06 |
Krock |
that'll eat your RAM very quickly but does work |
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ireallyhateirc |
I'm thinking about something that would look like this: https://tenor.com/view/sayonara-zetsubou-sensei-zetsubou-sensei-tsunetsuki-matoi-stare-gif-6914307518243861555 |
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ireallyhateirc |
so a flowery patterns that'd stay aligned to world as the character moves |
| 19:07 |
ireallyhateirc |
that would create some fancy artistic effects |
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Krock |
trippy |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> that sounds interesting and is not that hard to do, but realistically it's somewhat niche so probably more of a backburner thing. |
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ireallyhateirc |
yeah, let's focus on the basic stuff we don't have for now |
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ireallyhateirc |
so basic animation features... |
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ireallyhateirc |
and materials |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> yep! |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> now that hardware skinning is merged, i'll rebase #16653 soon |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/16653 -- Support (combining) multi-track (glTF) animations by appgurueu |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> and address desour's review on #16212 |
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ireallyhateirc |
saw that, we'll test if that unlags Exile a bit |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/16212 -- Add matrix & rotation Lua APIs by appgurueu |
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user333_ |
how about coloured lighting, it's been put off for yeaaars :p |
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crazylad |
YES |
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user333_ |
you want to do it? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> curb your enthusiasm |
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user333_ |
i've heard it's nearly impossible to do without a lot of rewriting |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> from what i've heard and seen so far, it is a big pain in the butt to do properly, yes |
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Sheriff_U3 |
ouch |
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crazylad |
I heard that is also requires rewriting node definition stuff or whatever to store the light color data |
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ireallyhateirc |
there's colored light under my carpet |
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ireallyhateirc |
buy my book which explains how the devs were hiding colored lights under my carpet for the whole time |
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user333_ |
core.colorize("default:lava_source", "orange") |
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ireallyhateirc |
yeah, let's assume irrlicht works |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> There are multiple problems |
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pgimeno |
@luatic: about #16212, regarding rotation order: ZXY makes far more sense for at least two reasons. One, it's more intuitive if you want to create a rotation by hand or use a GUI or the like. Two, the gimbal lock is not in a horizontal axis. The second one is more important than it seems, from my experience with Second Life which also has a horizontal gimbal lock axis despite having a sane coordinate system. |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/16212 -- Add matrix & rotation Lua APIs by appgurueu |
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pgimeno |
In SL you run into gimbal lock situations far too often. |
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pgimeno |
I successfully pushed for a sane set_rotation() method for objects in #7927, by the way |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/7927 -- get/set_rotation and get/set_yaw problems |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> pgimeno: thanks for the info. i don't think it affects my API design much though, does it? i have euler_[xyz|zyx] constructors and to_euler_[xyz|zyx] conversions. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> zxy* |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> or put differently, how would you like the API or documentation to reflect this? are you suggesting we recommend zyx, or that we prescribe it as the "standard" euler format? |
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pgimeno |
the latter would be better, I don't think anyone needs zyx or xyz |
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pgimeno |
just zxy suffices |
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pgimeno |
(extrinsic, of course) |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> pgimeno: whether we need it or not, i'm pretty sure it has leaked as the standard for bone overrides because it's what irrlicht uses |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> so we need to have it for easy migration purposes |
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pgimeno |
hm, then maybe the documentation should clarify that the zxy order is recommended |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> sounds reasonable |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> i'm happy as long as users are explicit about the conventions, otherwise it's easy to run into bugs because you assume that euler angles = euler angles which needn't be the case |
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pgimeno |
simply put, xyz order is not pitch/yaw/roll, it's something different |
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pgimeno |
and quite counter-intuitive at that |
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ireallyhateirc |
slap quaternions on it |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> already what i'm doing, but quaternions still need to and from euler angle conversions :p |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> pgimeno: so you would suggest we also rename the angles for xyz? what should i name them? |
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ireallyhateirc |
there's a funny case in blender where bone constraints are ruined by internal quaternion->euler conversions |
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ireallyhateirc |
which turns something seemingly intuitive (copy rotation constraint) into the unholy buggy wiggle machine |
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ireallyhateirc |
people who think they need euler angles are exactly the kind of people who shouldn't use euler angles |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> hehe yeah but we have had euler angles, so now people need to be able to convert |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> and euler angles are pretty convenient for thinking about some things |
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pgimeno |
@luatic hm, are they now roll, pitch, yaw? I thought they were like x, y, z. I haven't looked at the patch, just at the comments. |
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pgimeno |
oh I see now, yeah, for xyz I'd rename them to (x, y, z) while for zxy I'd leave them as pitch, yaw, roll |
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pgimeno |
a very common function in SL is one that takes a vector and returns a rotation that transforms the default forward vector (<0,0,1> in Minetest, I believe) into the given vector, while keeping the vertical pointing up. It will suffer from gimbal lock when the given vector points straight up though, but it's useful to make entities that point in the given direction. |
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pgimeno |
You don't even need eulers for that, just a couple cross products and normalization. |
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