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user333_ |
made this little 88x31 luanti button for my soon-to-be site https://lounge.swee.codes/uploads/c870bb9af565f43b/luanti-88x31.png |
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noice |
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user333_ |
well um, this doesn't look right: https://x0.at/YDox.txt |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> that's not good. Not sure Luanti can save you against what looks like a bad disk though |
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BadGuyAlex |
yeah, what is this? Is it *actual* I/O error, or corrupted file system, or something else? |
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user333_ |
i have no idea |
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BadGuyAlex |
out of disk space? Though I think that would give different error message. |
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BadGuyAlex |
try to copy the database to some other place. Then do sqlite3 database.sqlite 'PRAGMA integrity_check' |
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user333_ |
i have plenty of disk space and the error message for that is "No space left on device" |
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user333_ |
i have ~/.minetest symlinked somewhere else so i can change that to test |
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user333_ |
ok, turning it off and on again fixed it.. for now |
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user333_ |
i'm going to back up the drive though |
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user333_: https://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm |
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user333_ |
i'm making a backup of it with dd, then i'l fill it with zeroes, then i'l restore the backup |
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BadGuyAlex |
also do an integrity check. SSD in my experience are fast, but garbage. They won't retain data for long. Worse, they may introduce silent errors, such that every time you read a big file from such disk, every time it comes out slightly differently (few bits flipped here and there). |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> "They won't retain data for long" is this really that big of an issue with SSDs as I keep hearing some people say? |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> (actually now that I think about it, it was a long time since I last heard something to the effect of "your SSD will basically become formatted if if your computer is unplugged for a week"... maybe their computers all just broke) |
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BadGuyAlex |
It won't get formatted within a week, but if you leave some data on it and won't touch it for months (doesn't equal you leave disk unpowered), the SSD might start corrupting data. |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> even if it's powered on? |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I mean I do know that SSDs can in fact lose data when powered off. but the timespan for that is typically measured in years rather than weeks or months |
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I have one in TVR. I recorded few movies a couple of months ago. When I tried to back things up then check if I got all the data correctly, I found out that every time I read the original data, it's slighlty different than before. |
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MTDiscord |
<ruslan1> hello |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> For powered-off SSDs, you probably just want to power them on and read every bit about once a year just to be safe. |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I've also heard people make a big deal about rewrite cycle limits. I've used about 1% of the life of my SSD over the past 2 years, so I'm not that worried about it, though I guess my grandkids might have to. |
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user333_ |
the storage in question is a 128GB microSD in my laptop, so i should probably make backups more often |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Haha, yeah, removable media like SD and USB sticks are actually way less reliable (or quality controlled) than a "proper SSD" actually, so yeah, good to be careful of those. |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I've got this "high endurance" micro SD card for a fruit pi computer but I wouldn't trust it with anything critical. Had a few of those crap out on me (though in some cases, it's actually the SD reader that craps out) |
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user333_ |
it's from a good brand at least, though running games off it probably wasn't a good idea |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> USB stick lost data me just yesterday. Unless that was using a faulty program poorly, maybe |
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user333_ |
i have some 4GB USB drives that corrupt all the time, i still use them for small file transfers though |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Anyone remember floppy disks? I used to put data on one, and then sprint to the other computer to put the disk in before the data had a chance to go bad. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> someone needs to make a persian rug mod so the AI spammers will stop pretending they have one |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> my exposure to floppies is limited to there being a few around the house by the time I was old enough to understand. Don't think they even got used |
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user333_ |
i've seen only one in my humble 15 years of life |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> at this point, most of us have seen more save icons than real floppies |
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user333_ |
very true |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I've seen hundreds of floppies, but even in my case, it just means I've seen way more save icons too |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> well we should only count unique save icons |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> the silk icons floppy has been re-used many times |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Then we should only count unique floppies. If I buy a box of 50 disks from one company with 1 design, that's still 50 instances of 1 floppy. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> hmm there's no "winning" |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> If you've ever actually tried to keep data on a floppy disk for a long time, can confirm, you do lose in the long run. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> this sounds like a luanti mod opportunity |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> floppies with a simulation of bit rot |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> or how about a game where you're a bike courier in the big city and you need to drop off floppies before they corrupt |
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user333_ |
updated version of the 88x31 button https://x0.at/KjiL.png |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> now that old one looks off-centre when I didn't see it before |
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MTDiscord |
<the4spaceconstants2181> that volatile? |
