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| 00:08 |
celeron55 |
VargaD: if you want, you can set xyz as the commit author in various ways by using git |
| 00:09 |
celeron55 |
(he should answer by himself though) |
| 00:10 |
celeron55 |
(but that'll be after sleep i guess) |
| 00:10 |
VargaD |
thanks, I didn't know that. I'm not a git expert :) |
| 00:28 |
thexyz |
I'm not sure, there are copyrights already in the new files |
| 00:29 |
thexyz |
and the code is so damn simple I honestly don't care that much |
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VargaD |
'morning |
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| 13:32 |
VargaD |
Are there any release schedule? When so you release next version? |
| 13:33 |
PilzAdam |
VargaD, we dont have release schedules |
| 13:33 |
VargaD |
How do you decide to release a new version? |
| 13:34 |
PilzAdam |
when many core devs think that its time to release it |
| 13:35 |
VargaD |
I see, thanks |
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sapier |
actually release time is pure chance ;-) |
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| 14:12 |
VargaD |
according to github there are 46 open bug |
| 14:15 |
sapier |
just ignore them ;-) (at least some of em) |
| 14:15 |
sapier |
or the better option, fix it |
| 14:38 |
celeron55 |
VargaD: any core dev can set and oversee a release; the only one who really cares to do that is hmmmm so you might wait to ask him (or request it) |
| 14:40 |
VargaD |
thanks celeron55, I just wanted to understand minetest development better |
| 14:41 |
celeron55 |
i guess there could be a better description somewhere... |
| 14:43 |
sapier |
true :-) Imho release procedure is chaotic :-) |
| 14:44 |
celeron55 |
i've always called this the "minetest chaos development model" |
| 14:44 |
sapier |
quite suitable description |
| 14:44 |
celeron55 |
it started pretty soon right when the first contributors came and i haven't figured out how to make it non-chaotic since then 8) |
| 14:45 |
sapier |
I don't think that'd give better results, by now we at least tried to get worst bugs out prior releasing |
| 14:46 |
sapier |
btw celeron hope you don't develop reliable communications protocols nowadays ;-) |
| 14:46 |
celeron55 |
sapier: it was my first-ever attempt in making one; i'm surprised you could even bother to fix it |
| 14:47 |
sapier |
I think I got it :-) |
| 14:47 |
sapier |
but if I want to do reliable communication to old clients I have to do very very bad things :-) |
| 14:48 |
sapier |
send --> waitforack --> sendnext |
| 14:48 |
sapier |
at least I can do this per channel and per peer so old clients wouldn't slow down new ones ... and tcp is evolving right now too maybe a first prototype is ready this year |
| 14:51 |
sapier |
why drop em if it's possible to keep? |
| 14:52 |
sapier |
most ppl (except of developers) greatly appreciate compatibility ;-) |
| 14:53 |
sapier |
no it doesn't actually fixing the old protocol gave me ability to do a better design for tcp |
| 14:54 |
sapier |
/usr/share/wireshark/init.lua |
| 14:54 |
sapier |
if you want to do this you may be interested in my improved version of it |
| 14:55 |
sapier |
I added the new messages (at least the names) |
| 14:55 |
sapier |
no you have to add a dofile at end |
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celeron55 |
http://wiki.wireshark.org/Lua <- that recommends using tshark flag -X |
| 15:00 |
celeron55 |
wireshark (the gui) takes the same kind of option |
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VargaD |
sapier: what do you plan to send on tcp and waht on udp? |
| 17:24 |
sapier |
same thing as now unreliables are sent through udp while reliable date will be sent through tcp |
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VargaD |
I'm wondering, where does the minetest name come form? |
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Calinou |
it was supposed to be a "test" |
| 18:44 |
sapier |
wasn't minetest designed to be perfect? *smile* |
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ShadowNinja |
#1074 seems good, with the last line change removed. |
| 19:30 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1074 |
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| 19:38 |
sapier |
for old clients nothing will change but for all new ones (with enabled tcp support) reliable data will be sent through tcp only |
| 19:46 |
ShadowNinja |
Older clients will still get faster UDP though, right? |
| 19:47 |
sapier |
if you are talking about my udp fixes yes but due to compatibility reasons old clients using udp may not benefit as much as I was hoping |
| 19:47 |
ShadowNinja |
And this will be in a library that MT links to so that other applications can use it, right? |
| 19:48 |
sapier |
there's a bug in current udp reliability handling breaking it on high packet loss, only way to do reliable communication to old clients is send one by one |
| 19:48 |
sapier |
not by now |
| 19:49 |
sapier |
splitting it to a library would be another 1-2 weeks of work |
| 19:53 |
sapier |
to make this a library design needs to be way more clean then even my fixed version is |
| 19:55 |
ShadowNinja |
O.K. That's a project for you to work on as soon as it works. :-) And what do you think about that PR? |
| 19:56 |
sapier |
haven't had a look at it by now |
| 19:56 |
sapier |
that simple? |
| 19:57 |
ShadowNinja |
Should be. I looked into the Rollback error and it was SQLite complaining that the directory didn't exist. |
| 19:58 |
sapier |
did you try it? |
| 19:58 |
ShadowNinja |
Nope, not yet. |
| 19:59 |
sapier |
if you wanna merge it you should try it first, I'm busy writing tcp support right now |
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