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RealBadAngel |
ok |
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RealBadAngel |
how that feels? https://imgrush.com/Qh7JBrh-8dvp.png |
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Taoki |
RealBadAngel: Looks very nice :) |
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Taoki |
On a different note: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2811 |
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Taoki |
If anyone wishes to look into that sometime |
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technoma` |
what's the word for when you have keys that act as modifiers or non-modifiers depending on whether they're held or tapped? |
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technoma` |
oops; wrong channel |
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RealBadAngel |
*** Error in `./bin/minetest': corrupted double-linked list: 0x00007fd0a000ecd0 *** |
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RealBadAngel |
who feels responsible for that? |
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Taoki |
OldCoder: Poke |
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Taoki |
(sorry, in the other channel #minetest , this isn't dev related) |
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RealBadAngel |
Taoki, when you are checkin you should rather PEEK instead of POKE |
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Taoki |
That works :) |
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RealBadAngel |
but that way it looks like youre bashin some1 in the head with a hammer asking: alive or not? |
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RealBadAngel |
segfault will means hes not alive ;) |
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OldCoder |
RealBadAngel, the peek is to poke |
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RealBadAngel |
OldCoder, im refering to old days and ZX Spectrum Basic |
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RealBadAngel |
peek is to check, poke is to write |
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RealBadAngel |
a memory cell, ofc |
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* OldCoder |
knows |
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OldCoder |
Those were the new daya |
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OldCoder |
Those were the new days * |
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RealBadAngel |
so more corect should be: |
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RealBadAngel |
if PEEK OldCoder > 0 then write "Hello" ;) |
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OldCoder |
peek = poke(1) |
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OldCoder |
Yes |
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OldCoder |
No |
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OldCoder |
If peek(OldCodger) > 0 then poke(OldCodger) |
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OldCoder |
If peek(OldCodger) > 0 then poke(OldCodger,"0x01") |
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RealBadAngel |
"codger" rotfl ;) |
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paramat |
hmmmmm pushing soon https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2789 'Mgv7: Edit noise parameters' |
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Zeno` |
Does anyone understand the requirement for this do-while: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2795/files#diff-65f34680878a6bd86f3a59ebc0c06c6dR3373 |
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VanessaE |
zeno! *pounce* |
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Zeno` |
oh oh |
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* Zeno` |
hides |
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Zeno` |
maybe it's a strange way to avoid using goto |
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VanessaE |
I'd have done "while true; do ... done" (or whatever the exact C++ syntax is) |
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Zeno` |
this is do { } while (false); though |
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Zeno` |
it must be to avoid goto |
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VanessaE |
good point |
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paramat |
now pushing 2789 |
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Zeno` |
lol (ironically) it would have been better and clearer to use goto |
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Zeno` |
break; is effectively a C-type goto (i.e. local jump) anyway |
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RealBadAngel |
Zeno`, have you saw report about lists crashes? |
| 03:36 |
Zeno` |
no.. |
| 03:37 |
paramat |
complete |
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Zeno` |
RealBadAngel, link? |
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RealBadAngel |
Zeno`, http://pastebin.com/retyxwFX |
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RealBadAngel |
thats all |
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paramat |
please could the HP bug be fixed soon? drives me nuts =) |
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Zeno` |
RBA, will look into it |
| 03:42 |
Zeno` |
for everybody's info: I've been away because first my modem broke and I had to wait for a new one; and then it turned out it wasn't my modem after all and I've had no internet (basically) |
| 03:42 |
Zeno` |
but I'm back now :) |
| 03:42 |
Zeno` |
I'll do the HP fix as well.. pretty sure I have a patch already |
| 03:43 |
Zeno` |
RealBadAngel, hoow do you know that's from lists? |
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Zeno` |
and by lists do you mean these inventory list things? |
| 03:43 |
RealBadAngel |
ask the one who reported it |
| 03:44 |
RealBadAngel |
im just passing it by |
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Zeno` |
yeah, just noticed that hehe |
| 03:44 |
Zeno` |
I wish people would supply test cases |
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paramat |
cool =) |
| 03:44 |
Zeno` |
I hate writing Lua (hehe) |
| 03:44 |
Zeno` |
I suppose I could use world edit |
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RealBadAngel |
btw, https://imgrush.com/tuH6QNkKtYAO.png |
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paramat |
good to have you back |
| 03:45 |
RealBadAngel |
its almost complete |
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Zeno` |
looks awesome, RBA! :) |
| 03:45 |
RealBadAngel |
paramt, i think thats the reason for you to start using shaders |
| 03:45 |
Zeno` |
paramat, the break did me good anyway |
| 03:45 |
RealBadAngel |
you will be able to see your mapgen in action way better |
| 03:46 |
Zeno` |
shaders do not work at all on Android for some reason :( |
| 03:46 |
Zeno` |
not on any device or emulator I've tested anyway |
| 03:46 |
RealBadAngel |
shaders need GPU, thats why :) |
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paramat |
RBA is it possible for the minimap lighting to always come from top or top-left even when it rotates? |
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paramat |
looks really good |
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RealBadAngel |
yeah, you can just set its position |
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paramat |
okay, from above is best |
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paramat |
erm from top-left would be best |
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RealBadAngel |
atm its 0, 0.5, 1.0 |
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Zeno` |
RealBadAngel, my android has a GPU :p |
| 03:48 |
RealBadAngel |
Zeno`, or you were just told that ;) |
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Zeno` |
lol |
| 03:49 |
RealBadAngel |
unless we are talking bout x86 android and real box |
| 03:49 |
Zeno` |
I have nfi what it is |
| 03:49 |
Zeno` |
Samsung Galaxy S6 |
| 03:49 |
Zeno` |
pretty sure it's ARM |
| 03:50 |
RealBadAngel |
i will take a closer look on this devices (i do have galaxy tab 3) |
| 03:50 |
RealBadAngel |
but atm i do have more important things to code |
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Zeno` |
true enough |
| 03:59 |
Zeno` |
Ok, I was really just dropping in to tell everyone why I'd be away. I will be back later (properly) tonight, and tomorrow onwards :) |
| 03:59 |
Zeno` |
O/ |
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hmmmmm |
paramat: Looks okay to me I guess |
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hmmmmm |
really never even thought about the periodicity of mgv7 |
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hmmmmm |
Zeno`: whenever you see do { ... } while (0), it should probably be a separate function :p |
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paramat |
cool |
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Zeno` |
hmmmmm, I would agree ;-) |
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Zeno` |
but even goto would have been better than the do while construct hehe |
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hmmmmm |
perhaps yeah |
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hmmmmm |
I think keeping large blocks of code like that out of a separate function is a Carmack-ism |
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hmmmmm |
this is something he strongly advocates that I can't really get my head around |
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hmmmmm |
it's not advantageous from an optimization standpoint and atrocious from an organizational one. |
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Zeno` |
I dunno what's causing it |
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Zeno` |
there seems to be an aversion to using functions; I raised it once with Warr and he said he didn't make it a function because it would only be used once (like the only reason for functions is reusability :/) |
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Zeno` |
I like what the Linux Coding Guidelines say about functions |
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Warr1024 |
I don't have an aversion to functions, I have an aversion to large, difficult-to-review diffs. |
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Zeno` |
It wasn't you anyway, I was about to correct myself |
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Zeno` |
:) |
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Zeno` |
I think maybe it was est31... don't really know no |
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hmmmmm |
celeron was the one who said that I thought |
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Zeno` |
now* |
| 04:12 |
Zeno` |
maybe it was celeron... it was somebody |
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Zeno` |
doesn't matter who it was really :) |
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hmmmmm |
in any case, not everybody has code folding capabilities in their editor, nor is it already named as such |
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Zeno` |
But there does seem to be a general aversion to using functions :/ |
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Warr1024 |
I won't make code a function if it's not reusable AND the function it lives in is small enough even with it included. |
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hmmmmm |
erm, I mean nor is the code block named |
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Zeno` |
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/CodingStyle <--- chapter 6 |
| 04:13 |
Zeno` |
nice summary (honestly) |
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hmmmmm |
when you start having multiple bail-outs in a do { ... } while (0), that's a pretty damn good candidate for a function imho |
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Warr1024 |
vi does not do code folding, last I checked. |
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hmmmmm |
there's always a plugin |
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Warr1024 |
I'm fair sure vi doesn't do plugins either. |
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Zeno` |
vim does |
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Zeno` |
or maybe that's elvis |
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Warr1024 |
vim is not vi |
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Zeno` |
correct |
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Zeno` |
vi does only vi stuff :) |
| 04:15 |
Zeno` |
vi as in class vi :) |
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kahrl_ |
IIRC, ed also has no code folding |
| 04:15 |
Zeno` |
classic* |
| 04:15 |
Zeno` |
ed doesn't last I looked |
| 04:15 |
Zeno` |
LOL |
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Warr1024 |
vim cannot be used to fix a busted fstab on a system that failed to mount /usr, and thus I still have a reason to hone my plain-vi skills ;-) |
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Zeno` |
that's why all real hackers use nano |
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Warr1024 |
haha |
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Zeno` |
:-D |
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Zeno` |
I hate code folding anyway |
| 04:19 |
Zeno` |
I alway forget that I've got stuff hidden hehe |
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Zeno` |
the only place I think it is for the file headers (as in the big (C) messages at the top of files) |
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Warr1024 |
I'm nota fan of big (C) mesages either ;-) |
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Zeno` |
anyway, I'm rushing now... got an appointment. Must go. BBL. O/ :) |
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RealBadAngel |
hi guys |
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RealBadAngel |
kahrl, hmmm around |
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RealBadAngel |
? |
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Krock |
kahrl_ ^ |
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CraigyDavi |
Anyone going to merge https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/541 ? |
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Taoki |
Weird. If I set_attach() a Lua entity to a bone on the player, it seems to lag and only move slowly as the player moves back or forth. Is this a bug? |
| 18:00 |
Taoki |
It doesn't happen if I set_attach to the player without specifying a bone |
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Taoki |
Why the smooth movement? |
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Taoki |
It only seems to happen randomly as well... bizarre |
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VanessaE |
wield3d mod has the same problem |
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Taoki |
It's clearly a bug in the code, yeah x_x |
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Taoki |
Either Minetest's or Irrlicht |
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Taoki |
Since local attachment processing uses an Irrlicht function, the second is pretty probable as well |
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Taoki |
But it only happens sometimes. I wonder why |
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VanessaE |
celeron55: *poke* |
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VanessaE |
celeron55: you're needed for a forum bug. |
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Krock |
Yay, create more bugs, that's fine! |
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* Sokomine |
suffers from a concert in the neighbourhood |
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Sokomine |
any clues as to protect the ears from too loud bass music? the windows are already closed... |
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Sokomine |
watching a film louder than i normally would doesn't help either |
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CraigyDavi |
My server has a memory problem, it keeps increasing until it crashes when it runs out of memory. Is there any way to find out what mod/function is causing the problem? Would valgrind help or should I try removing mods one by one? |
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sofar |
all of lua runs in the same context I think |
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VanessaE |
CraigyDavi: remove all mods and start *adding* them one by one |
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VanessaE |
start with the ones you suspect, first... if there's a memory leak in a mod, you'll find it faster that way |
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CraigyDavi |
Thanks, I'll try that! |
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sofar |
I may have something that will help |
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sofar |
CraigyDavi: https://gist.github.com/sofar/41d1e70893f16d457ff1 |
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sofar |
CraigyDavi: throw that in an init.lua mod, enable it and type /dump in game |
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sofar |
CraigyDavi: it outputs a dump of the _G global table and estimates the size of subtables |
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sofar |
CraigyDavi: e.g. G[moreblocks]=(table)=26 |
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sofar |
meaning, the "moreblocks" table is in the order of 26 bytes large |
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sofar |
the size is a total hack, but it's a good proportional estimate |
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CraigyDavi |
Thank you! |
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sofar |
CraigyDavi: paste the output - I'd like to see what you get out of it :^) |
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sofar |
hmm |
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sofar |
I don't think its ready just yet |
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sofar |
hold on |
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CraigyDavi |
Ok |
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sofar |
almost ready with a real working version |
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sofar |
nope, not yet - hangs :^) |
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sofar |
it's surprisingly hard to determine the memory size of a table object, lol |
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CraigyDavi |
I see |
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sofar |
well hmm, I can make it dump everything now |
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sofar |
but it's io.write'ing it all and I just want to measure the size |
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sofar |
ok, I think I have it done now |
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sofar |
lemme test one more time |
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sofar |
yay, it works - it's very very slow but shows me correct size estimates now |
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sofar |
G[package]=(table)=1002560 |
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sofar |
G[core]=(table)=769851 |
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sofar |
G[minetest]=(table)=769851 |
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sofar |
G[circular_saw]=(table)=2927 |
| 21:21 |
sofar |
CraigyDavi: https://gist.github.com/sofar/88435ba1fad327e9b76a |
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sofar |
CraigyDavi: it may take minutes to run depending on the size of the objects |
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CraigyDavi |
I'll try it |
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sofar |
just let it finish. big tables like "minetest" take 5-10 seconds to parse/estimate |
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CraigyDavi |
uh haha, it crashed due to low memory - while running a command trying to find out why memory usage increases |
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CraigyDavi |
How ironic |
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sofar |
heh |
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sofar |
anything it dumped before that may be useful? |
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sofar |
oh hey |
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sofar |
what was the last line before it crashed? |
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CraigyDavi |
https://gist.github.com/CraigyDavi/2d7059613a148ee9fc3f |
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CraigyDavi |
Shows that mt_irc is quite large |
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CraigyDavi |
IsPlayerOwner is last line |
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CraigyDavi |
*IsPlayerNodeOwner |
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sofar |
so what you can do |
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sofar |
remove the print_r(n) part |
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sofar |
and run it again |
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sofar |
and compare the order and if it's the same, then obviously the one after isPlayerNodeOwner is a likely culprit |
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sofar |
you want to remove |
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sofar |
..string.len(print_r(v)) |
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sofar |
CraigyDavi: 5000 is not large |
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sofar |
CraigyDavi: minetest itself is like 800000 on my base server with only a few mods |
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CraigyDavi |
sofar, here's the output https://gist.github.com/CraigyDavi/8e70de6cd04bebc176fb |
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sofar |
G[travelnet] is the suspect |
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VanessaE |
Sokomine: ^^^^ |
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CraigyDavi |
So that's using the highest memory...or has a memory leak? |
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sofar |
remove it, put the code back, run /dump again |
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VanessaE |
sofar: you oughta run your script on Dreambuilder so time :P |
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sofar |
it's large enough to cause dumping it to make your box go OOM |
| 21:41 |
VanessaE |
I'm sure it has its share of mem leaks |
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sofar |
CraigyDavi: if your box is really low on memory it may just point at other high-memory using modules |
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sofar |
but it's suspicious that it can't serialize the travelnet table |
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CraigyDavi |
Here's it without the travelnet mod: https://gist.github.com/CraigyDavi/93e9a0f73834b6ef649c |
| 21:43 |
CraigyDavi |
It has 1GB of ram and that's always been enough when I have run the server on higher spec servers |
| 21:48 |
CraigyDavi |
What now? I can't do without the travelnet mod! |
| 21:48 |
VanessaE |
add more memory? :P |
| 21:49 |
CraigyDavi |
eh, maybe :) |
| 21:50 |
CraigyDavi |
Rather get the memory leak fixed though |
| 21:52 |
VanessaE |
fwiw I run 8 server instances on 24 GB, and the lot of them (two or three of which use travelnet) generally max out at 3.5 to 4 GB |
| 21:52 |
sofar |
CraigyDavi: you re-rean it but you didn't put the print_r code back |
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| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
aw shit |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
everyone scatter |
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| 21:59 |
CraigyDavi |
Well it crashes again when I put the print_r back |
| 21:59 |
CraigyDavi |
last line was IsPlayerNodeOwner |
| 21:59 |
VanessaE |
areas mod? |
| 22:00 |
CraigyDavi |
Then I removed print_r and the line after that was skins |
| 22:00 |
CraigyDavi |
yeah areas is installed |
| 22:00 |
CraigyDavi |
Although I see no reference to IsPlayerNodeOwner there |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
then the old node ownership mod |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
one of the two contains that function |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
or glomie's protector mod |
| 22:02 |
CraigyDavi |
But I don't have any of those installed |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
*shrug* I'm out of ideas :) |
| 22:07 |
CraigyDavi |
Ah, found reference to it in areas! https://github.com/CraigyDavi/Craig-Server_game/blob/c2d45efb4173ed099eeb6bd20591f3da31412bcb/mods/areas/legacy.lua#L108 |
| 22:07 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 22:09 |
CraigyDavi |
So areas.isNodeOwner might cause the problem...I'm confused... |
| 22:10 |
sofar |
CraigyDavi: do you have access to a system with more memory? you could duplicate your server setup and see if the table dump completes on there?! |
| 22:11 |
CraigyDavi |
Good idea, although it will be in singleplayer rather than on a server |
| 22:12 |
sofar |
as long as all the mods load and the map is the same |
| 22:19 |
CraigyDavi |
huh? Not enough memory? I have over 3GB free... |
| 22:20 |
CraigyDavi |
Well it got past travelnet this time |
| 22:20 |
sofar |
how far did it get now? |
| 22:20 |
sofar |
what was the size of travelnet? paste the dump? |
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| 22:21 |
CraigyDavi |
https://gist.github.com/CraigyDavi/8f06d0d05daa8e1d7982 |
| 22:21 |
sofar |
so then skins is suspect |
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| 22:21 |
RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, no point. i can see you on the minimap ;) |
| 22:24 |
CraigyDavi |
Ok, so simple_skins mod seems to be the problem then. Thanks sofar! |
| 22:24 |
sofar |
CraigyDavi: well, it's "suspect" |
| 22:26 |
CraigyDavi |
Well just looking at the code it looks like it's creating an array with 1000+ entries, that can't be good |
| 22:29 |
* sofar |
fixes completely unrelated issues in one of his C code projects |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: you're lagging ;P |
| 22:38 |
RealBadAngel |
i turned pc on and went to make a coffee, thats why |
| 22:39 |
RealBadAngel |
i was thinkin about minimap scaling, maybe depending only on y would work? |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
it doesn't take THAT long to craft a coffee maker .. I mean you just need glass, plastic, a heating element, and a bucket of water....... |
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| 23:41 |
Taoki |
So... can https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2372 be merged in the end? I really don't want to fix more merge conflicts if another change occurs, plus it's something people have requested since I implemented the animation system. |
| 23:42 |
est31 |
hmmmm, kahrl RealBadAngel sfan5 ShadowNinja can sb give a second +1? |
| 23:46 |
VanessaE |
I have to agree with you, Taoki... that we need to leave irrlicht 1.7.x way behind |
| 23:46 |
est31 |
there are ifdefs around there |
| 23:46 |
est31 |
so on irrlicht 1.8, it will still work |
| 23:46 |
VanessaE |
I'm still reading the comments :P |
| 23:46 |
est31 |
err 1.7 |
| 23:47 |
VanessaE |
but we *still* need to leave it behind |
| 23:47 |
VanessaE |
everyone has 1.8 by now, or can get it |
| 23:49 |
RealBadAngel |
est31 ive already checked that, so go on |
