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Obani |
Guys, I thought you would like to know about this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pipsqueake.squeakecraf |
| 11:28 |
Obani |
Also, there is a version you can buy https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pipsqueake.squeakecraftplus |
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| 11:48 |
Calinou |
old news |
| 11:48 |
Calinou |
we banned SquakeCraft default names in name_restrictions in like, April 2015? |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roso2kosi.castmedbu |
| 11:49 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
another clone |
| 11:50 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.bestsandapp.obsidiancraft |
| 11:50 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
... |
| 11:50 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
(list is long) |
| 11:51 |
Obani |
damn |
| 11:52 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
is that really a problem for Minetest ? |
| 11:52 |
gravgun |
Yes it is |
| 11:52 |
Obani |
It's problem of honour |
| 11:52 |
gravgun |
It makes peple play shitty ripoffs |
| 11:53 |
gravgun |
And it's a *legal* issue here |
| 11:53 |
Obani |
We had an example just right now on a server |
| 11:53 |
gravgun |
Clones isn't a problem |
| 11:53 |
gravgun |
aren't* |
| 11:53 |
Obani |
gravgun, make it possible to buy is legal ? |
| 11:53 |
gravgun |
Ilegal clones are |
| 11:53 |
gravgun |
Yea you can sell LGPL software |
| 11:53 |
gravgun |
even GPL can be sold |
| 11:53 |
gravgun |
as long as you provide source for the same cost |
| 11:53 |
gravgun |
or less |
| 11:54 |
gravgun |
If you propose a free version then the source access must be free too |
| 11:54 |
gravgun |
In Squeake Craft's case, only the Java wrapper is accessible |
| 11:55 |
gravgun |
The "jni" directory is nearly empty and contains a sort of broken symlink to the guys' machine |
| 11:55 |
gravgun |
That makes it illegal since it's only partial source |
| 11:55 |
gravgun |
The big part, that is the engine, isn't there |
| 11:56 |
gravgun |
And since he may have modified the C++ source, his changes are distributed with his binaries |
| 11:56 |
gravgun |
And since the binaries are publicly accessible, he's violating LGPL. |
| 11:57 |
gravgun |
Thankfully the guys making those illegal clones are generally weak idiots |
| 11:57 |
gravgun |
Putting a bit of pressure on them works most of the time |
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sapier |
9af7f38e3f077ec42fcc3086c82d2676c53c84a6 ??? |
| 12:01 |
Obani |
Uh ? |
| 12:02 |
sapier |
this commit removes removal of redundant information on favour of passing bloated pointlists to lua ... calling it "more usefull paths" |
| 12:05 |
sapier |
prior a path from (1,1,1) to (3,1,3) was { (1,1,1), (3,1,3) } now its { (1,1,1), (2,1,2), (3,1,3) } why not add some digit value points in between this way the path could be even more big ;-) |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
gravgun : I think this kind of clone has not any future |
| 12:06 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
it may attract some players but not a lot |
| 12:06 |
Obani |
Gael-de-Sailly, but it can be bought |
| 12:06 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
and it's on android phones |
| 12:09 |
Obani |
tablets are way more popular than PC for minetest things |
| 12:10 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
android players are a problem for MT |
| 12:10 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
MT is a PC game |
| 12:11 |
Obani |
But they still are the greatest part of MT community :/ (playing) |
| 12:12 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
I think it was a mistake to make an android version. I've not played it, but it's said to be unplayable. It brings many players and a bit of popularity, but the quality of the game is only getting worse |
| 12:13 |
Obani |
Gael-de-Sailly, It IS unplayable :) |
| 12:13 |
sapier |
well there have been a lot of unautorized clonse by that time, android version not beeing playable is because there's noone maintaining it ;-P |
| 12:13 |
Obani |
Maybe because no one wants to maintain it |
| 12:15 |
sapier |
obvious ;-) ... but don't be too upset last time I tried to start it on my lolipop phone it did immediatly crash so chances someone really plays it are minor |
| 12:15 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
Minetest should aim the quality, not the quantity |
| 12:16 |
sapier |
ok this is the point I'm out of discussion, I did fight to dead about philisophic usless topics in past I'm not gonna do it again |
| 12:16 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
That's not a problem if we are only some hundreds around the world to play MT, if it's a good game |
| 12:17 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
ok |
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yunfan |
sapier: i think official team should learn some experiece from php team, for every release, they add some hot and tested extensions and drop some not that hot or proved harmful extensions |
| 13:02 |
yunfan |
for MT case, it should be some core modules that could enhance the game playing |
| 13:04 |
sapier |
I'm not in position to decide anything and if I remember correct there's never been a lack of ideas in minetest team but in ppl doing it ;) |
| 13:05 |
yunfan |
also a universal storage interface should be added for the lua script, i have played a minecraft clone which i modified some modules , and i found there're no standard on storage, some use plain file as the store while other use sqlite |
| 13:22 |
Wayward_One |
I use Minetest on Android quite often... it works well enough for me |
| 13:27 |
yunfan |
hey, i just downloaded the sourcecode from github(master) and built a client, and i found that the chest response very laaaaag even in my local server |
| 13:29 |
sapier |
I realized this for regular pc client too |
| 13:29 |
sapier |
even in singleplayer |
| 13:30 |
yunfan |
i guess 2 reason: 1, udp; 2, does chest modules needs to syncing to filesystem everytime it has changed? |
| 13:31 |
yunfan |
will check that |
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yunfan |
by quickly checking the code , it looks like chest store items by the node's meta data |
| 13:48 |
sapier |
that's what I remember too |
| 13:51 |
yunfan |
do you still play the game? |
| 13:51 |
yunfan |
i found the lua module system give me lots of fun |
| 13:52 |
yunfan |
i could easy check the code and gains |
| 13:53 |
sapier |
I didn't do anything for minetest for quite some time but I'm fixing some long run bugs in animals_modpack atm trying to get a release till christmas |
| 13:53 |
sapier |
and obviously I have to play minetest to find those bugs ;-) |
| 13:53 |
yunfan |
:] |
| 13:54 |
yunfan |
authors often didnt get much fun playing the game campared to just players |
| 13:55 |
sapier |
true writing is more fun :-) but to find the bugs you've got to play yourself |
| 13:56 |
sapier |
and for some bugs you even require some time to realize it's abug |
| 13:58 |
yunfan |
i think for sandbox game like mt, if you know too much rules, especially the rules are created by you, then you lost some fun. |
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sapier |
that's why animals_mod uses some randomness ;-) |
| 13:58 |
yunfan |
when i running a minecraft smp server, the op role has just let me lost all fun from the game :[ |
| 13:59 |
yunfan |
becasue i could get everything i want, then i wont feel great when digging :] |
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sapier |
cheating always ruins fun ;-) |
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yunfan |
but bug using are different |
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luizrpgluiz |
would have any problems in using the torque to make the game? |
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Calinou |
won't happen. |
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Calinou |
Torque 3D is not made for voxel games |
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sapier |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3454 whoever does maintain the play store build plz check this pull |
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VanessaE |
omg |
| 19:51 |
VanessaE |
the prodigal son returns :) |
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sapier |
hmmm not sure what to think about this comment ... *looking up prodigal in dictionary* |
| 19:52 |
VanessaE |
it means someone who has gone missing for a long time has returned |
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sapier |
ahhh |
| 19:52 |
VanessaE |
it's something of a compliment. |
| 19:52 |
sapier |
thanks |
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Fixer |
"dependencys" |
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VanessaE |
anyway I think nrz handles the play store app |
| 19:53 |
sapier |
argh ... why is it always some sort of spelling mistake commented first? ;-) |
| 19:53 |
sapier |
or coding style |
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VanessaE |
because they're easiest to spot? ;) |
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sapier |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2132 is for android too ... don't know why this wasn't merged ages ago |
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