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Hijiri |
#4685 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4685 -- Add control information to player interacts by raymoo |
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| 10:54 |
paramat |
please can we consider #2827 ? i'd love this in for release, long overdue feature |
| 10:54 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2827 -- Allow overriding the hand by TeTpaAka |
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paramat |
'feature' label has been added, please use that in place of 'enhancement' |
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* Zeno` |
looks at gregorycu |
| 12:18 |
paramat |
game#1352 |
| 12:18 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1352 -- Remove 'player falling damage' sound by paramat |
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| 12:30 |
sfan5 |
umm |
| 12:31 |
sfan5 |
paramat: that is definitely the wrong way to fix this issue |
| 12:31 |
sfan5 |
what will you do when the engine placed way too many trees in wrong places? remove trees? |
| 12:33 |
paramat |
we can always add a dedicated long-fall sound effect, which is actually what it is |
| 12:34 |
paramat |
and in engine it could be renamed to avoid confusion |
| 12:34 |
paramat |
what's wrong with the PR? |
| 12:35 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 12:36 |
sfan5 |
well it should be clarified whether the fall sound should be played with enable_damage = false |
| 12:36 |
sfan5 |
and the engine should act accordingly |
| 12:37 |
paramat |
yeah it's confusing |
| 12:39 |
paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L840 |
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| 12:39 |
paramat |
i could reword the sound name here |
| 12:40 |
paramat |
or better only play it when damage is enabled |
| 12:41 |
paramat |
depends on whether we want it as an always-on 'long fall' sound effect |
| 12:43 |
paramat |
so i'll keep the issue open for a while |
| 12:45 |
paramat |
my guess is subgames are already using it as a fall dmamage sound, so an engine fix is needed yes |
| 12:45 |
paramat |
(damage) |
| 12:47 |
paramat |
game#1353 |
| 12:47 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1353 -- Default: Remove unnecessary leaf 'visual scale' by paramat |
| 12:49 |
paramat |
will merge games 1284 1348 1352 1353 in 30 mins |
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paramat |
will merge those 4 in a moment |
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paramat |
one doesn't apply and another has a possible error, will start again and merge my 2 |
| 13:44 |
paramat |
now merging |
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tenplus1 |
hifolks |
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tenplus1 |
has something changed in latest dev build that BREAKS io.open feature ???? |
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paramat |
merge complete |
| 13:48 |
tenplus1 |
hi paramat |
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red-001 |
tenplus1 could it be related to mod security? |
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red-001 |
that got enabled by default recently |
| 13:53 |
tenplus1 |
crap, lemmie cehck quick |
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tenplus1 |
how to disable |
| 13:55 |
tenplus1 |
thanks dude, that was the problem... disabled and working |
| 13:57 |
tenplus1 |
so ALL mods using external files will be affected ?!?!?! |
| 14:00 |
red-001 |
yes? |
| 14:01 |
tenplus1 |
dammit... gotta add new checks in mods using files then... pah! |
| 14:03 |
paramat |
#4614 |
| 14:03 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4614 -- Enable mod security by default by ShadowNinja |
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tenplus1 |
checking... gotta see what to do with new mods to handle security now |
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tenplus1 |
or does this mean until disabled, ALL mods using external files wont work properly |
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paramat |
#4699 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4699 -- Lua voxelmanip: Add optional buffer param for 'get param2 data' by paramat |
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paramat |
hi hmmmm if you are able to look, #4699 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4699 -- Lua voxelmanip: Add optional buffer param for 'get param2 data' by paramat |
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Fixer |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4686#issuecomment-257098948 |
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| 16:21 |
paramat |
looks like caves got added |
| 16:27 |
Fixer |
and area further ahead |
| 16:28 |
Fixer |
much more triangles |
| 16:28 |
Fixer |
pretty big fps impact on my ati |
| 16:29 |
paramat |
yeah |
| 16:30 |
paramat |
stuff that occlusion culling didn't manage to cull |
| 16:30 |
Fixer |
also caves :S |
| 16:31 |
Fixer |
vertices drawn in this particular scene shoot up high, almost 1.8x or so |
| 16:32 |
Fixer |
1.57x |
| 16:32 |
Fixer |
i was flying above this area before, to avoid confusion, everything that can be loaded was loaded (i hope) |
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Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/B97751W.jpg culing at spawns, land-water-caves system |
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paramat |
est31 are you +1 for #2827 ? i'll test it |
| 18:19 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2827 -- Allow overriding the hand by TeTpaAka |
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paramat |
Fixer that's with 4686 applied? |
| 18:47 |
Fixer |
without :) |
| 18:50 |
paramat |
celeron55 something i remember you discussed #4686 |
| 18:50 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4686 -- Remove optimization that causes underwater and cave rendering glitches. by lhofhansl |
| 18:52 |
paramat |
Fixer if that's solid ground on top, occlusion culling doesn't seem very effective |
| 19:03 |
Fixer |
paramat: not a solid, it is 1 block ground, some water below, and solid ground |
| 19:04 |
Fixer |
if you building on top of water and have tunnels and stuff going below - thats will be very hard to cull |
| 19:04 |
Fixer |
by current method |
| 19:05 |
Fixer |
i will walk some more, want to see how much stuff is rendered below me and behind the walls |
| 19:08 |
Fixer |
not all spawns are like that |
| 19:08 |
paramat |
i see |
| 19:09 |
Fixer |
some are pretty nice with less overhead |
| 19:11 |
Fixer |
water cities could be hard on fps it seems |
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Fixer |
enable wireframe mode and go to extreme survival minetest city spawn, amount of rendered stuff is just mind blowing |
| 19:30 |
paramat |
nore sfan5 rubenwardy any opinions on game#1326 ? |
| 19:30 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1326 -- Adding a default automation MLGame |
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sfan5 |
meh, we probably don't really need this |
| 19:33 |
paramat |
3 disapprovals then |
| 19:38 |
Fixer |
more pictures, so much stuff not culled http://imgur.com/a/DRouM |
| 19:38 |
Fixer |
water city* |
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nore |
paramat: I agree that mesecons probably shouldn't be added to mtg, but I think that there should however be automation at some point |
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garywhite |
mesecons is too heavy, now you could probably run a basic vanilla singleplayer game on 1.5GB RAM, but not with mesecons |
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paramat |
automation would be a big thing to maintain, so you can have that job :] |
| 19:51 |
Fixer |
basic vanilla singleplayer game needs like 400-1400 mb depending on forests and v_range and walking |
| 19:51 |
Fixer |
mostly it is well below 1gig |
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| 19:54 |
Fixer |
i wonder if it is possible to not render that much below :/ |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
another server, solid ground, but strange activity below https://i.imgur.com/529Xjc7.jpg |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
soo much unneeded stuff rendered |
| 20:00 |
Fixer |
i wonder where is chunk boundary? at y=0 ? |
| 20:00 |
Fixer |
what about just shifting it up so you have few blocks for ground and cull everything below |
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sfan5 |
you can't just shift the boundary up |
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sfan5 |
mapblocks end at y=0 y=16 y=32 and so forth, you can't reallychange that |
| 20:04 |
Fixer |
so it renders y=0 to -16 for sure and I have impression even deeper |
| 20:04 |
paramat |
looks like more than 16 nodes depth of stuff in these screenshots |
| 20:04 |
Fixer |
yeah, it is strange |
| 20:13 |
Fixer |
or maybe it does actually render just 0 to -16 mostly |
| 20:13 |
Fixer |
hmmm |
| 20:14 |
Fixer |
seen something deeper |
| 20:18 |
paramat |
looking at occlusion culling, it seems to act in 'updatedrawlist' but only if the mesh is present, maybe you're seeing meshes that are not actually 'drawn' |
| 20:21 |
Fixer |
clearly see caverns with lava there, they sometimes cull, but not always, interesting |
| 20:22 |
Fixer |
sometimes 1 mapblock is not enough to cull? |
| 20:23 |
paramat |
'isOccluded' only needs 1 non-transparent node between camera and point |
| 20:23 |
paramat |
for each mapblock centre and 8 corners are checked |
| 20:27 |
Fixer |
remember that tiling draw fix? |
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paramat |
yeah |
| 20:29 |
Fixer |
i have question |
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Fixer |
about that |
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Calinou |
"-- Could NOT find Ncursesw (missing: CURSES_LIBRARY)" on Ubuntu 12.04, how do I solve this? I have libncurses5-dev and libncursesw5-dev installed |
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Calinou |
it's optional but I'd like to build it, for an AppImage |
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sfan5 |
check what cmake looks for |
| 20:30 |
sfan5 |
and see why it doesn't exist on precise |
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Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/bTLPs5A.jpg i see that it simplifies land rendering, but why not trees? why not in caves? |
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paramat |
allfaces optional drawtype? |
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paramat |
fancy leaves are on? |
| 20:34 |
Fixer |
i think yes, or this cave https://i.imgur.com/Ob9ekgW.png |
| 20:34 |
Fixer |
let me check leaves |
| 20:35 |
Fixer |
ok, yes, if simplest leaves are enabled it reduces them |
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paramat |
\O/ |
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Fixer |
but what about caves? |
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paramat |
seems to be a mix in that cave |
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Fixer |
same rock, i think those have different lighting |
| 20:39 |
Fixer |
thats explains it, need to go deeper |
| 20:40 |
Fixer |
ok, it does simplifies it more deeper |
| 20:40 |
Fixer |
fine with it |
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Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/l7guSUQ.png now why can't it cull this in center? i'm pretty far from it, yet it draws :/ |
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Fixer |
i'm confused with this |
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Fixer |
yes, it says 0 blocks culled |
| 20:50 |
Fixer |
ok, thats because i'm in blocks |
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paramat |
yeah |
| 20:51 |
Fixer |
went into cave and it culled properly |
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paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/clientmap.cpp#L281 |
| 20:52 |
Fixer |
got it |
| 20:53 |
Fixer |
still, from what I see, in multiplayer, there will be a lot of overdraw near spawns unfortunately, way too much |
| 20:55 |
Fixer |
server admins probably need to protect entire spawn including below + some distance away to avoid this |
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Fixer |
last one for today: https://i.imgur.com/00zSiqW.jpg |
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Fixer |
someone said that (maybe est 31) occlusion on per node basis will be too costly, but how you know for sure, maybe it will be better? |
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