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BuckarooBanzai |
Can we have a second approval here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/12914 this would make the docker image _much_ more useful |
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sfan5 |
merging #12914, #13009, #13010 in 5m |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12914 -- Add missing optional dependencies to Container Image by tamara-schmitz |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13009 -- Expose dtime_s to LBM handler by sfan5 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13010 -- Remove Irrlicht documentation URL from key settings by sfan5 |
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cranezhou_ws_mt |
nice to see the good progress. ;-) |
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kilbith |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDw1G02G64o |
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BuckarooBanzai |
thanks sfan5 :) |
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Krock |
Meeting time. jwmhjwmh Zughy[m] sfan5 nrz |
| 18:06 |
Krock |
https://dev.minetest.net/Meetings#2022-12-04 |
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Krock |
(waiting a few minutes for activity ramp-up) |
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| 18:10 |
Krock |
> 5.7 release when? (Zughy) |
| 18:11 |
Krock |
the milestone is set to January 3, which is on a rather good track |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, I won't be available over christmas. Early jan is a good bed |
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rubenwardy |
*bet |
| 18:12 |
Krock |
to see whether this date is realistic, it might make sense to look at new issues when the arrive and assign them with an appropriate tag if needed |
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sfan5 |
it'll probably be later january, we'll see |
| 18:12 |
sfan5 |
also I might have to leave in a bit |
| 18:13 |
Krock |
so far there's no urgent bugs in the milestone, which is a good sign :) |
| 18:14 |
Krock |
Zughy[m]: is this answer sufficient for you? |
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rubenwardy |
_yet_ |
| 18:15 |
Krock |
right |
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jwmhjwmh |
> we should decide on the new roadmap (sfan5) |
| 18:21 |
Krock |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12746#issuecomment-1315569363 |
| 18:21 |
Krock |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/direction.md |
| 18:22 |
Krock |
from what I can see, the only thing that's changed is that transparency sorting is now fixed |
| 18:23 |
rubenwardy |
there's also the deferred pipeline and lots of changes to graphics |
| 18:23 |
Krock |
and I believe it should be kept in a similar fashion. there's no one employed to actually follow that and people implement what they think is best |
| 18:23 |
rubenwardy |
discussing a new roadmap before discussing how the current one went is a bad idea imo |
| 18:24 |
Krock |
right. it's yet again a wishlist that yields no progress on its own |
| 18:24 |
rubenwardy |
I think the graphics goal was quite successful, but is still ongoing. I'd like to see a new particle system and irrlicht merged into Minetest |
| 18:24 |
rubenwardy |
The other goals were meh. There were improvements to UI, but not as much as I wanted |
| 18:25 |
rubenwardy |
the Object/Entity goal was a disaster, basically 0 progress there |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
though there were a few collision fixes |
| 18:31 |
Krock |
celeron55: it appears that your VPS is having troubles again. c55.me/blog/?p=1491 is not reachable on my side |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> c55.me has been dead for a long time now |
| 18:32 |
Krock |
okay. one more thing to update in direction.md |
| 18:33 |
Krock |
with this many people active I don't think it makes sense to discuss roadmap matters further. Though I could propose a generic maintenance PR for the document if that's wanted |
| 18:34 |
rubenwardy |
the idea of the issue is to choose new goals (or keep the same goals) for the next few releases |
| 18:35 |
rubenwardy |
that needs to be preceeded by a post mortem though, to work out why so few of the goals were successful |
| 18:35 |
Krock |
work out why? because people implement what they prefer |
| 18:36 |
Krock |
or fix issues they are upset with. entities, collisions and particles work relatively well, hence nobody really cares |
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rubenwardy |
particles barely work, more than a thousand and it craps out |
| 18:37 |
rubenwardy |
rendering particles one by one isn't scalable |
| 18:37 |
Krock |
but at least we can animate them now /s |
| 18:37 |
rubenwardy |
haha yeah |
| 18:38 |
rubenwardy |
maybe instead of asking what people want, we should also ask what they're willing to review or work on |
| 18:38 |
Krock |
just "work on" priorities because "review" will again be the same wish list |
| 18:42 |
Krock |
okay. I'll propose a PR |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
> Lack of main direction: We suck at this. Short suggestion below. |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
quote from c55's blog entry |
| 19:11 |
Krock |
> "Dual wielding" |
| 19:12 |
Krock |
is there any volunteer to adopt this PR? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> @j45 ^ |
| 19:14 |
Krock |
suggestion: remove the new hand item handling and keep the dual-wield limited to display purposes |
| 19:14 |
Krock |
this is the most conservative approach and unlikely to break mods |
| 19:15 |
Krock |
oh. it seems that the adoption is no longer needed. the author appeared. |
| 19:17 |
Krock |
no activity here. I'll move the leftover topics to the next meeting. maybe they'll be resolved by then |
| 19:20 |
rubenwardy |
Dual wielding -> Elias is back |
| 19:20 |
rubenwardy |
oh you just said that |
| 19:20 |
Krock |
♺ |
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MTDiscord |
<Fleckenstein> im no longer called Elias btw (I'm Lizzy), but I don't want to change my github handle to avoid breakage |
| 21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Fleckenstein> im somewhat busy currently so i might take a few weeks to work on the Dual Wielding PR |
| 21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Fleckenstein> but it is on my todo list currently |
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rubenwardy |
oh sorry |
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rubenwardy |
github automatically redirects now so it will probably be fine? |
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Desour |
changing github name doesn't cause much breakage |
| 21:10 |
Desour |
or any at all |
| 21:11 |
Desour |
(at least for me it didn't) |
| 21:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Fleckenstein> It might work, I'm still unsure whether I want to trust that everything will work fine |
| 21:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Fleckenstein> for example I also use github sign in on Mesehub - will that be able to correctly handle it? |
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Desour |
idk, I don't think I signed in anywhere with github back then |
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MTDiscord |
<Fleckenstein> I'd very much prefer if the display name was actually the one being displayed in issues/PRs etc. instead of the handle |
| 21:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Fleckenstein> the possible unintended side effects are documented here: https://docs.github.com/en/account-and-profile/setting-up-and-managing-your-personal-account-on-github/managing-personal-account-settings/changing-your-github-username |
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