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erle |
if anyone can help me debugging this i would appreciate it https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13920#issuecomment-1776408046 |
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erle |
for future reference: i am working on issue #13920, i have a friend who already helped me with debugging last night. i am taking no ones time away from this and zughy has closed it on flimsy grounds and tagged this very obvious rendering bug WONTFIX. please reopen. |
| 14:23 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13920 -- Massive rendering errors with nodeboxes in inventory (closed erroneously, this bug still exists) |
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[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> And yet you kept retagging me after I said "unsubscribing" twice. Very polite I must say |
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erle |
a) tone argument b) i thought unsubscribe only means you don't automatically get notified and i wanted to notify you. if “unsubscribe” means “don't talk to me” then i know it now. |
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[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> well, you got an answer from a core dev. And yes, tone argument because it's mentally exhausting to have to deal with you and you don't even realise that |
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erle |
no one forces you to close my stuff |
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erle |
in any case, i guess that is settled |
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erle |
rubenwardy would you be willing to replay an apitrace recording i made on your hardware to see if that bug is happening there too? |
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[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> I do my "job", it's not something against you |
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erle |
that's what all buerocrats say |
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[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> I would have closed it even if it had been opened by someone else |
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erle |
yes probably, but why do you think it takes away resources if i am doing work on it and no one else is? |
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erle |
i mean it is not like anyone else even has a motivation |
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[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> You've basically just called me a bureaucrat. Expect no response from my part from now on, I'm tired of being shitted when I'm doing work for free - work probably nobody would even like to do. You're a very impolite person and I hope you get banned eventually, no matter the good contributions you've brought to the table. We've banned kilbith for being bluntly aggressive, but I see no difference with passive-aggressive irrita |
| 14:44 |
erle |
look, i'm not your enemy and i hope neither of us gets banned. all i am asking is to not act on feelings. the response that rubenwardy wrote is one that i disagree with and dislike, but it explains the rationale from his POV. yours is … less explanatory and more mechanical. |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I think you would both feel better if you brought to the table compassion and professionalism, even though this is a volunteer project. |
| 15:09 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I don't think it's necessary to open an issue if there isn't general interest in it. You can keep track of it locally just as well, and once you have a fix, you can open a PR. |
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erle |
yeah, could be. but no amount of compassion is going to overcome me wanting to fix a bug and then basically getting insulted for trying to contribute. |
| 15:09 |
erle |
how is anyone else going to reproduce something in a closed issue? |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> If you want to open an issue at that point just for record keeping, go ahead, but I don't think you even need to do that. Just PR the fix, and prepare for the very real possibility that it will be rejected. |
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erle |
it's not for record keeping |
| 15:10 |
erle |
and the fix is not obvious |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> How do you feel about Zughy repeatedly shutting your issue down? |
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erle |
nor do i really have much interest if the *first* interaction is not helping me with debugging but saying my debugging activities are ”a drain on resources”. i had a good reason for asking a friend unaffiliated with minetest. |
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erle |
not good, but on procedural grounds. i think it is wrong on principle and irritating to contributors in particular to close bugs without an explanation. |
| 15:11 |
erle |
and “i think someone else this” lacks explanatory power |
| 15:11 |
erle |
someone else *wants* this … sorry |
| 15:12 |
nrz |
you are talking a bit too much and make this chan noisy for no reason tbh |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> And how do you think other people feel about "acquire the exact hardware I have 😜"? |
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nrz |
if you have sth, PR and we'll take a look, or issue |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Who in their right mind would spend their precious time trying to reproduce a difficult-to-debug issue that doesn't affect their hardware? AFCMS was very gracious, and I think it's good that you were able to work together, but remember he's under no kind of obligation to reproduce your issue. |
| 15:15 |
erle |
look, AFCMS was not gracious at all and all this bragging about “my weakest PC is better than your best one” was just harassment. i'll be silent on this. you can query me if you think you have something to say to me in particular. |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> So how is anyone going to reproduce anything in an open issue either? This is why I suggested not bothering to make an issue in the first place. There is nobody responsible for fixing that kind of bug and nobody being compensated to spend their time on it. |
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erle |
again, i was debugging it. closing it means “do not fix this”. |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> If you show that you respect people's time in the way you manage your issues, and the way you talk with them, then you will get more respect back. |
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erle |
oof. okay, there is two ways people use ”respect” – respect for a person as a human being and respect for an authority. what i read is “if you respect others authority, they will treat you like a human being”. |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I don't think Zughy was telling you not to fix it. |
| 15:17 |
erle |
no, but AFCMS was, kinda, and it was not ”gracious”. it's bullying and i have seen this already. bye. |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I'm sorry you chose to read it that way. I don't want to see you banned, but if you continue to pick fights with your peers, I think that is what will happen. |
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sfan5 |
can I merge #13793? |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13793 -- Amend list of planned breakages by sfan5 |
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rubenwardy |
lgtm |
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json |
hi all! |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Hi json! |
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