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nekobit |
s/opengl // |
| 04:53 |
xmvczklm |
hi... im interested in mapgens and i heard that paramat was the main mapgen pro in this project??? where is he??? |
| 04:54 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> gone, thankfully |
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MTDiscord |
<theidealist> lol |
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xmvczklm |
?? |
| 04:56 |
xmvczklm |
what do you mean by that |
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MTDiscord |
<theidealist> I don't know what happened but I think there was some drama? |
| 04:57 |
xmvczklm |
about what?? |
| 04:57 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> they had a reputation for being the king of nope, derived from closing a very large portion of issues, and driving people away |
| 04:57 |
xmvczklm |
how did he drive ppl away? |
| 04:59 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> closing valid issues, personality, and reputation based on the first two. it lead a lot of people to not bother reporting issues for a while |
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| 05:00 |
xmvczklm |
ehh... from what I saw of paramat on github he didn't seem like that to me. |
| 05:01 |
xmvczklm |
same with IRC chat logs. |
| 05:13 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> to lazy to keep finding more examples, but https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/10891, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2568, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3540 |
| 05:14 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> theses are ones that actually survived getting paramatted, plenty more that didnt |
| 05:15 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> oh, and there is the infamous minetest drinking game post on the forum |
| 05:20 |
xmvczklm |
?? |
| 05:20 |
xmvczklm |
in any case the reason why i'm asking for paramat is because he's the mapgen pro of this project. |
| 05:20 |
xmvczklm |
Idk who really else there is to talk to |
| 05:21 |
xmvczklm |
I guess you can make up some random indian character? |
| 05:21 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> > https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?q=is%3Aclosed+label%3A%22Won%27t+add%22 > https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?q=is%3Aclosed+label%3A%22No+core+dev+support+long+term%22 > Open each image, have a drinking game, where, if paramat closes an issue or applies the "won't fix" or "no core dev support long term" label. Take a shot. You'll be dead of poisoning in an hour. |
| 05:21 |
xmvczklm |
that will be inexplicably 50x smarter and faster coding than anybody i knew |
| 05:24 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> paramat has been gone for a few years now, you might try duane, gael de sailly, Dokimi - however both of thoses are touch and go with the project |
| 05:24 |
xmvczklm |
oh, because minecraft has crouching?? |
| 05:25 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ....what? |
| 05:25 |
xmvczklm |
read the first PR you pasted?? |
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xmvczklm |
that PR looks to me like sapier wanted to copy something that minecraft does that minetest doesn't |
| 05:26 |
xmvczklm |
calinou "pushed back", because even though sapier is a smart guy, he also isn't the entire project, it'd everyone's |
| 05:27 |
xmvczklm |
and paramat backed up calinou. |
| 05:27 |
xmvczklm |
how does this PR show that paramat is "difficult"? |
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| 05:27 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> well, first off its an issue, not a pr |
| 05:28 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> its the repeated behavior of closing everything |
| 05:28 |
xmvczklm |
Idk I don't see him closing anything?? |
| 05:28 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> even other core devs have called what paramat did nonsense https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=382710#p382710 |
| 05:28 |
xmvczklm |
he marked the Issue as "completed" |
| 05:28 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> > @paramat paramat closed this as completed on Mar 30, 2016 |
| 05:29 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> key word CLOSED |
| 05:29 |
xmvczklm |
people are still welcome to (and they absolutely have had) a very thorough discussion |
| 05:29 |
xmvczklm |
then how come it got reopened and reclosed by ShadowNinja?? |
| 05:30 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> probably accident, that happens |
| 05:30 |
xmvczklm |
also this type of issue is why there was some push to have a mailing list |
| 05:31 |
xmvczklm |
you need to have discussion, but you can't keep it as an active item on a to do list when it's... a choice, not an Issue |
| 05:33 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> its late, i dont feel like arguing about the past with you |
| 05:33 |
xmvczklm |
dude wsor wtf man... why are you so hostile? |
| 05:33 |
xmvczklm |
and why are you so "against" certain older members of minetest?? |
| 05:34 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> and who else am i against thats and older member now? do tell |
| 05:34 |
xmvczklm |
I believe we were talking about paramat and shadowninja |
| 05:35 |
xmvczklm |
you can reread the past couple paragraphs. |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> It's true. wsor once poked me in the eye reviewing one of my prs |
| 05:35 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> nah, i think your the one with an issue. only have been against paramat here |
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xmvczklm |
??? |
| 05:35 |
xmvczklm |
jordan can I talk to you in private? |
| 05:35 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> No cause you're on the irc lol |
| 05:36 |
xmvczklm |
well... why aren't you on irc? |
| 05:36 |
xmvczklm |
this would be literally a non-issue |
| 05:36 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> my only comment to shadowninja is that a close brought up you was probably an accident, i fail to see how that counts as being against them |
| 05:36 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i should say to that this is probably getting drastically offtopic for -dev |
| 05:36 |
xmvczklm |
wsor: because shadowninja did the same thing you spoke bad about paramat for. |
| 05:36 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> uh, no |
| 05:36 |
xmvczklm |
wsor, it was a discussion that originated in here and i think it should end here. |
| 05:36 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Because the irc is poop on mobile |
| 05:37 |
xmvczklm |
there should be no confusion or forum-changing added to the record. |
| 05:37 |
xmvczklm |
please do not obfuscate discussion. |
| 05:37 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> do you happen to go by another name per chance? |
| 05:38 |
xmvczklm |
I don't, but I also don't see how that should be relevant |
| 05:38 |
xmvczklm |
I know how I've been talking the entire time and you're needlessly rude and aggressive to me and berating of other older members |
| 05:38 |
xmvczklm |
shame on you. |
| 05:39 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> was midly curious since it seemed you might have been around before, but i didnt recoginize the name |
| 05:39 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> anyways, i feel no shame for misconstrued points by you |
| 05:40 |
xmvczklm |
yeah, but if hypothetically I had been somebody on an old name, you might try to come up with fake reasons to attack them |
| 05:40 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> thats a bunch of nonsense |
| 05:40 |
xmvczklm |
this conversation is context-free |
| 05:40 |
xmvczklm |
well, that's what you're saying with your words, that it's "nonsense" |
| 05:40 |
xmvczklm |
but I saw you doing it to me earlier before. it's subtle. |
| 05:41 |
xmvczklm |
wsor, that's pretty toxic what you're doing. |
| 05:41 |
xmvczklm |
I'm not sure if paramat was really as bad as you say... |
| 05:41 |
xmvczklm |
it could be that you're the problem |
| 05:41 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> your welcome to your own opinion |
| 05:42 |
xmvczklm |
indeed. |
| 05:43 |
xmvczklm |
jordan4ibanez: Can we please talk in private?? |
| 05:43 |
xmvczklm |
Come onto IRC |
| 05:44 |
xmvczklm |
use Revolution IRC if you're on android |
| 05:44 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> but they cant see to do that since i stabbed there eyes out /s |
| 05:45 |
xmvczklm |
why the hell would you joke about such a thing?? wacko |
| 05:46 |
xmvczklm |
people get stalked on IRC all the time |
| 05:46 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> because jordans comment is a joke, and im playing along with it |
| 05:47 |
xmvczklm |
you're being ridiculous in other contexts though. i'd probably see that in a different light if you weren't at my throat less than 5 minutes ago. |
| 05:47 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> and also poking fun at the absurdness of your comments here |
| 05:48 |
xmvczklm |
[12:41 AM] <MTDiscord> <wsor4035> your welcome to your own opinion |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Oh sorry, I was reading the vulkan documentation. I do not want to install an irc client |
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xmvczklm |
jordan4ibanez: I think we need to discuss wsor. |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Wat |
| 05:49 |
xmvczklm |
If he's going to act like this to me then I'm concerned about him being part of the project. |
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xmvczklm |
By not jumping on IRC to chat you're forcing me to say this out loud in a public IRC channel. |
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MTDiscord |
<cscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscs> 10891 i think he raised some points |
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MTDiscord |
<cscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscs> it wasnt as simple as just adding an animation or something of the sort |
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MTDiscord |
<cscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscs> not sure why he closed it like that though |
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xmvczklm |
because the issues list on the github issue TRACKER is a centralized minetest TODO list |
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xmvczklm |
it's not a discussion forum |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> nekobro: was a quick look for results. wasnt saying that all where bad, just a pattern |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Well you could have said that anyways, that's not really a private thing to say lol |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> xmvczklm: i don't exactly get why you are annoying jordan; he's not a core dev, triager, moderator or anything of the sorts. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> why are you dragging a bystander into this to bother them in private about someone else's perceived misbehavior, when supposedly it would be here in a public chat for everyone to see? |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> luatic: don't feed them please |
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Krock |
In case one of the core devs has some time: I'd like to have another review on #15378 before merging. |
| 18:34 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/15378 -- [NO SQUASH] Collision fixes by SmallJoker |
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sfan5 |
I was just going to ask if anyone else wants to review it |
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sfan5 |
does anyone understand the point of game#3159? |
| 21:15 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/3159 -- `walls`: add ability to specify group `wall_connected` for blocks that the walls can connect to by alek13 |
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xmvczklm |
zughy: excuse me, feed what? wsor caused a problem here. you should ban him from the discord. |
| 21:22 |
xmvczklm |
nevermind, this is the last i'll say about the subject. jordan might not be a moderator or whatever, but he is a part of the community, and he's been around long enough to have known paramat and the others being character assassinated personally. |
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