IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-09-04

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00:07	benrob0329	Megaf: right now I have a space/stars type background on my desktop, and a glowing Suzanne (blender monkey thing) on my laptop
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00:53	Aerozoic	rubenwardy, yeah i use wine to run minetest if i need to copy/paste something since linux version doesn't allow it for some reason.
01:10	benrob0329	Copy/paste has always worked for me
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04:49	* benrob0329	shamelessly states that he has created a Minds account, because its an open source YouTube alternative and /me is also putting all his videos on it https://www.minds.com/benrob0329
05:39	benrob0329	I need to start putting the video titles in the videos themselves, Minds assumes that you do because you have to use part of the video as the thumbnail.
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07:23	rdococ	moo.
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07:28	tenplus1	hi folks
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07:30	tenplus1	hi lisac
07:33	rdococ	hi tenplus1
07:33	tenplus1	hi rdococ
07:33	rdococ	I hope you evaluate to 11 or the world has gone mad
07:33	tenplus1	lol
07:33	tenplus1	the world has already gone mad, too late
07:33	rdococ	oh
07:33	rdococ	...okay
07:33	rdococ	:P
07:34	tenplus1	am thinking of how to make Mobs Redo spider jump at player and climb walls...
07:35	sofar	rdococ: back to building you
07:35	tenplus1	hi sofar
07:35	sofar	tenplus1: how far did you get on Inside the Box?
07:36	tenplus1	I played the tutorial levels 1 by 1... lemmie sign on and check
07:36	sofar	saw you logged on, didn't see how far you got
07:36	sofar	we added 2 new boxes to the "master series" ... amazingly good levels
07:37	sofar	someone spent 5hrs on one of the levels
07:37	rdococ	lol
07:37	tenplus1	tutorial level part 8
07:37	sofar	ah pretty good, almost at the end of the tutorial for now then
07:37	tenplus1	I like the puzzles, but hiding a button near a fall is sneaky
07:37	sofar	seems the tutorial is difficult enough I might consider making it slightly easier
07:38	sofar	you can get to that one without falling :)
07:38	sofar	although my son just suicide jumped to get it
07:38	sofar	lol
07:38	sofar	"that's one way to do it"
07:39	tenplus1	was the easiest way :D
07:39	rdococ	lol
07:39	sofar	aight, bedtime for real now
07:39	tenplus1	o/
07:48	lisac	hey tenplus1
07:48	lisac	tenplus1, seeing that your server uses toolranks, I'd really hate to change stuff without asking you. Have you seen the code this random person posted on my forum post?
07:49	tenplus1	yeah I saw it earlier... personally level 6 is fine, we dont wanna OP tools so they never break... but the choice is yours
07:50	lisac	hm you are right. Tools still need to spend some materials for repair. If they spend too little, they become OPed.
07:51	lisac	what about raising the node count?
07:52	tenplus1	that would be fine :) dont want it to be too easy now... digging 1200 nodes for level 6 tools is kinda easy
07:52	tenplus1	or is it 2400...lol
07:52	benrob0329	tenplus1: I've started posting to minds.com
07:53	benrob0329	Also i'm up way too late but whatevs
07:53	tenplus1	ehehe hi benrob... what's minds.com ?
07:53	benrob0329	An open source social media/content sharing site
07:54	benrob0329	That isnt blockchain based
07:56	tenplus1	they are ?
07:56	tenplus1	never knew
07:56	benrob0329	\>isn't
08:02	benrob0329	Gonna work on the rest of the videos sometime tomorrow
08:02	tenplus1	checking it out now...
08:03	benrob0329	Got the first 3 shudder
08:03	benrob0329	That high pitched voice..its just awful
08:04	tenplus1	watching "Drug War Exposed"
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08:05	benrob0329	Alright, gnight
08:06	tenplus1	hi raven
08:06	tenplus1	nite ben
08:23	tenplus1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD6QTAb1SHE
08:25	lisac	tenplus1, https://github.com/lisacvuk/minetest-toolranks/commit/923fb61054791376e05a12e3a511fd0a37560e93
08:27	tenplus1	kewl thanks :) will update xanadu today with new levels
08:33	tenplus1	why not add a special enchantment item you can use to make tools infinite
08:34	rdococ	yey
08:34	rdococ	an anvil would be cool
08:34	rdococ	you'd be able to take a tool or armor, and the material it uses, and smelt them to get a repaired tool
08:34	tenplus1	lisac: something super hard to craft, takes forever to get items needed, place in crafting 1st with tool next and changes level to 100 which level check interprits as NO WEAR
08:35	rdococ	lol
08:35	lisac	hmm
08:35	tenplus1	yeah rdococ, we do need an anvil to place items like tools and armor we can repair with simple ingots and diamonds etc
08:35	lisac	not sure that is a good idea.
08:35	lisac	Maybe call it 'limited tool'?
08:35	rdococ	lava sword
08:35	lisac	and make it possible to craft max of 1000 of those.
08:35	rdococ	very strong, but only one hit before it melts
08:36	lisac	tenplus1, if you make something rare and very useful, you simply ask for grinding those materials.
08:36	rdococ	true
08:36	lisac	ex. players only searching for them
08:37	rdococ	and it would become rare no longer
08:37	tenplus1	hrm, something that gives progression to the game
08:37	rdococ	something that gets rarer to find as time goes on?
08:38	tenplus1	that would be ideal
08:38	tenplus1	I did that with crystal spikes in ethereal, but too many players know how to farm them now :D
08:38	rdococ	even if that spurs people into grinding a lot of it early on, once the supply from that can't meet the demand, the number of that item will drop by a lot
08:39	lisac	tenplus1, I had a great idea a while ago
08:39	lisac	add 'reskins' basically tools which look different
08:39	tenplus1	do tell
08:40	lisac	they are colored very differently
08:40	lisac	and probably based of a single tool
08:40	lisac	like a diamond pickaxe but purple colored
08:40	tenplus1	xdecor does that with enchantment table... it's limited in it's own ways
08:40	rdococ	mw ha ha! your purple diamond sword is no match for my red diamond sword!
08:40	lisac	yes: but these aren't craftable
08:41	lisac	you need to find them in chests inside dungeons.
08:41	lisac	and there are sets.
08:41	lisac	for example purple-red set
08:41	rdococ	idea: gold karat system.
08:41	rdococ	low-karat gold would be easier to find than high-karat gold
08:42	lisac	rdococ, I'd rather just make players able to 'purify' gold
08:42	rdococ	lol, I like how so many people misspell it as carrot
08:42	lisac	using smelting or something.
08:42	rdococ	lisac: what would pure gold do though?
08:42	lisac	it looks nice
08:42	rdococ	that it? :P
08:43	lisac	gold does nothing in MT anyways. :D
08:43	tenplus1	gold is used for many things in my mods...
08:43	rdococ	what would be cool is combining gold with a white metal to get electrum
08:43	Raven262	Hi tenplus1
08:43	tenplus1	protectors, potions, regen foods
08:43	rdococ	electrum would be more durable than the white metal, and stronger than gold
08:43	lisac	tenplus1, these, basically: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Decorated
08:44	tenplus1	but yeah, we need a way to SMELT ores...
08:44	rdococ	also, using a furnace to cook food is a little overkill :P
08:45	lisac	add ovens which can cook only food items, but multiple at once
08:45	Raven262	And require water to cook stuff
08:45	Raven262	also salt
08:45	rdococ	ooh
08:45	tenplus1	https://www.wfp.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/content_page_splash/SUD_20101029_WFP-Pia_Skjels_2.jpg
08:45	rdococ	customizable sandwiches with metadata
08:46	Raven262	:O
08:46	tenplus1	clay pots or skjels
08:46	lisac	hey tenplus1 why not make farming_plus spend water
08:46	tenplus1	spend water ? how u mean
08:46	lisac	like, take the node of water which made the soil wet and remove it
08:46	Raven262	how about limiting the water so it can be depleted when not inside the original source?
08:46	lisac	then prevent water replicating
08:46	rdococ	ooh
08:47	lisac	and you've made a water a rare resource
08:47	lisac	which is nice, right?
08:47	rdococ	ooooOOOOoooOOOoh
08:47	Raven262	water pump + barrels for transport
08:47	tenplus1	many players use permanent water sources... cant take that away from them
08:47	lisac	permanent water sources take away the fun :P
08:47	rdococ	tenplus1: wouldn't mind it in a subgame
08:47	rdococ	in fact, I think I suggested this a while back
08:47	tenplus1	I could make a watering can you need to use on soil to keep it wet... add a timer to soil so it goes dry again... but that woudl lag game
08:47	lisac	and add a water cart, which stores water
08:48	Raven262	basically, same thing that factorio has
08:48	rdococ	also, pipeworks
08:48	lisac	nonono just take away the water when the plant starts growing.
08:48	Raven262	combine with advtrains....
08:48	lisac	1 water == 1 plant
08:48	lisac	combined with ways of transporting water...
08:49	Raven262	We don't have any liquid resources in minetest, except for lava. And lava is transported in the buckets
08:49	rdococ	what I really want is to change water's physics
08:49	Raven262	water is quite useless in default
08:49	rdococ	I might make a subgame
08:50	rdococ	where water is unrenewable
08:50	tenplus1	that's easily changes
08:50	rdococ	true
08:50	Raven262	like lava on xanadu :P
08:50	tenplus1	yeah :)
08:50	tenplus1	and laval spread
08:50	tenplus1	I limited that to 3 nodes only
08:51	tenplus1	water needs to spread in a stream (a line), not outward 6 blocks... that's weird... also fallign water onto water shouldnt spread but go straight down
08:51	Raven262	so i can't make a tunnel and get lava flow elsewhere?
08:53	rdococ	does pipeworks have support for lava in pipes?
08:53	tenplus1	I think so
08:53	tenplus1	any liquids
08:54	rdococ	I once tried creating finite water...
08:54	rdococ	(in the core)
08:54	rdococ	kinda worked, but not really
08:56	tenplus1	it liquids flow in steps, node by node instead of spreading...e.g. water starts as water_source and spreads in a line 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 in height
08:56	tenplus1	not outwards
08:57	rdococ	I did create a finite water lua mod once
08:57	rdococ	think it worked except for a few minor bus
08:57	rdococ	bugs
08:58	tenplus1	very server intensive though
08:59	rdococ	I also modified the minetest core once to try and add finite water there
08:59	rdococ	it kinda worked...wait, I already said this :P
08:59	tenplus1	ehehe
08:59	rdococ	it would be cool, though, to modify the liquid flow we already have
09:00	tenplus1	my main argument is spreading on actual water, it shouldnt do that at all
09:00	rdococ	my idea was simple: water should only flow around if there was air, or water of a lower level than it, nearby
09:00	rdococ	as in, flow around and decrease level by one
09:01	rdococ	if not, then the ordinary water flowing operation would be skipped
09:04	tenplus1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uIRD9sMBU0 minecraft water physics
09:05	rdococ	ik what minecraft water physics are
09:05	rdococ	I just think that we shouldn't restrict minetest's water physics to the same thing
09:05	rdococ	sure, maybe have an option for it, but this is minetest
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09:48	tenplus1	wb
09:48	nerzhul	hi
09:49	tenplus1	hi nrz
09:55	rdococ	hi ppl
09:56	tenplus1	o/
10:01	rdococ	hm...
10:01	* rdococ	is still thinking about the unrenewable water thing
10:02	rdococ	Rather than having a white dye, you'd have to craft dyed wool with a bucket of water to get white wool again (and the empty bucket back, of course).
10:02	tenplus1	sounds good
10:03	rdococ	I don't think we need a thirst system, because if we're going to have a hunger mod too, we'd need the water to grow crops anyway.
10:03	tenplus1	yeah, and humans get some of there water needs through food anyhoo
10:03	rdococ	true
10:18	rdococ	we could go one step further and force players to smelt the water to get clean water for growing crops
10:19	tenplus1	cook the water to return pure water and salt as biproduct :)
10:19	rdococ	yeah
10:25	lisac	hey tenplus1 hoppers won't work on Xanadu
10:25	lisac	they just take items into the hopper from the chest above
10:26	lisac	but won't place it into furnace
10:26	tenplus1	checking
10:27	tenplus1	working fine here... am at arena
10:28	lisac	can you tp me? :D
10:35	tenplus1	:P
10:39	rdococ	hm
10:39	rdococ	should I copy minetest_game and then make modifications to each mod, then?
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10:40	tenplus1	if you are making your own subgame then yeah, it's a good start... drop minetest_game folder into your local games one and rename it before editing
10:42	rdococ	yeah
10:43	rdococ	that's what I'm doing
10:43	tenplus1	only thing with that though is you gotta keep up with all the latest changes in minetest_game and apply them to your subgame when needed...
10:43	rdococ	true
10:44	rdococ	at least I have the latest minetest_game for sure (I recompiled MT recently so I could use 0.4.17-stable instead of 0.5.0-dev.)
10:46	rdococ	does the mech mod from insidethebox store relative position, then?
10:48	tenplus1	no idea, havent checked code for that yet
10:49	rdococ	huh, found a way to easily create cool-looking embossed text
10:51	Shara	All fixable compatibility issues between caverealms and CRL should now be fixed, in case anyone was thinking of switching to CRL.
10:52	tenplus1	hi shara
10:52	Shara	hi :P
10:53	tenplus1	what compatibility issues ?
10:53	Shara	There were a few unknowns from the gems/spikes still
10:53	Shara	But added aliases now
10:53	tenplus1	oh, when switching between versions
10:54	Shara	I can't do anything about the mapgen part of course
10:55	Shara	Switching from old caverealms cave generation back to the server's normal mapgen might create weirdness
10:55	tenplus1	lol
10:55	Shara	(but how many maps don't have some weirdness anyway?)
10:56	tenplus1	so true... especially with flight mapgen changes
10:56	tenplus1	*slight
10:58	rdococ	lol
10:59	rdococ	I've copied minetest_game to a new folder, given it a new header and modified the icon, and stuff.
11:00	rdococ	At the moment, the only change is that water is no longer infinitely renewable.
11:00	Shara	what else will you change?
11:00	rdococ	Crops from the farming mod will absorb one node of water when they start growing.
11:00	Shara	If it's only things like that, it would be easier to make a mod with overrides
11:01	rdococ	True.
11:01	Shara	Easier to maintain :P
11:01	tenplus1	yup
11:01	rdococ	should I use register_node(":default:water_source", {stuff}) then?
11:01	rdococ	I only want to modify some properties, so override_node would be a bit of a hassle.
11:02	tenplus1	minetest.override_item(node, stuff)
11:02	rdococ	Isn't there a way to override a node without having to specify every property again?
11:02	tenplus1	you dont have to specify all properties, only the item you wanna change
11:03	tenplus1	minetest.override_item("default:lava_flowing", {liquid_renewable = true, liquid_range = 3})
11:03	rdococ	oh...
11:03	Shara	Isn't it going to get really annoying over time if you do that with water and crops, so that eventually whole seas get drained?
11:04	Shara	Or will you have another method to introduce new water?
11:04	rdococ	true
11:04	rdococ	hm
11:04	rdococ	see, the idea is to make water an actual resource
11:04	Shara	then you need rain that actually... rains?
11:05	rdococ	hm
11:05	Shara	Maybe use a weather mod, and if you can detect when a weather type starts/ends, that's the ohnly time water is renewable?
11:05	Shara	only*
11:05	rdococ	maybe, but meh
11:06	rdococ	I don't know of a good way to make water a resource you have to actually obtain when the world has whole oceans of the stuff
11:06	Shara	Well, yea... But this is why it is renewable by default :P
11:06	Shara	Use a mapgen that has river water...
11:06	Shara	Normal wate ris seawater, therefore salt water
11:06	Shara	water is*
11:07	rdococ	that is true
11:07	tenplus1	you could amend farming to need river_water_source to grow
11:07	rdococ	yeah, I was thinking of that
11:07	Shara	river water isn't renwable ither though
11:07	Shara	renewable*
11:07	rdococ	and maybe you'd be able to smelt sea water into real water, or would that make the resource too common?
11:07	Shara	So you still have the first problem.
11:08	Shara	You'll run the rivers dry if farming consumes water and there is no new river water
11:08	rdococ	true, but not if you can smelt sea water to get river water
11:08	Shara	But if rain makes river water renew, you'd get an interesting flooding mechanic as well maybe... so you'd start wanting rain, but not too much
11:11	rdococ	I have a weather mod, but the rain there depends on where you are - it might be raining where you are, but not where someone else is, for example
11:11	rdococ	I could use an ABM only targeting flowing river water blocks that are nearby source blocks, though.
11:11	Calinou	hi
11:11	tenplus1	hi cal
11:11	Calinou	I had a driving exam this morning, but I'm not confident about the outcome
11:12	rdococ	(the ABM is so that I can control the river water to only renew in the areas it's raining)
11:12	tenplus1	dont worry dude, you'll get better :)
11:12	Shara	Best of luck Calinou :)
11:12	Calinou	thanks
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11:29	tenplus1	hi caleb
11:30	CalebDavis	hi ten
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11:32	tenplus1	hi thomas
11:32	rdococ	his name is eleven, not ten, caleb
11:32	ThomasMonroe	hi ten
11:32	CalebDavis	XD
11:48	rdococ	lol
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11:50	tenplus1	hi fixer
11:52	Fixer	Hey-Hey! ,.,,,.,,
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11:56	tenplus1	hi Megaf
12:01	rdococ	hi people of minetest
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12:16	tenplus1	hi DS
12:16	DS-minetest	hi
12:18	rdococ	yay
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12:20	tenplus1	hi cx384
12:20	cx384	hi tenplus1
12:22	rdococ	hi eleven and hi cx384
12:23	DS-minetest	hi 11, hi rdococ and hi cx384
12:25	rdococ	hi DeeEss-MinetestCore, hi NinePlus2, hi cxThreeHundredAndEightyFour
12:27	rdococ	I'll be on the insidethebox server. yay.
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12:27	tenplus1	hi Jordach
12:28	DS-minetest	hi Jordach
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12:38	cx384	hi all
12:39	tenplus1	hi CWz
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12:51	srifqi	hi
12:51	srifqi	Can anybody guides me how to cross-compile Minetest from Ubuntu on Windows to Windows 64-bit?
12:52	tenplus1	hi srifqi, no idea... sorry
12:53	srifqi	Just from any linux distros to Windows?
12:54	srifqi	Found a page on Minetest Dev Wiki: Compiling Minetest
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12:54	tenplus1	hi ruben
12:54	srifqi	rubenwardy?
12:56	srifqi	Maybe I just need to give buildbot64.sh a try.
13:01	rdococ	hi
13:06	srifqi	hi rdococ
13:06	rdococ	hi srandomgibberish
13:19	srifqi	s-rifqi, is that so hard?
13:26	rdococ	s-rith-see?
13:41	srifqi	s-rif-qi
13:41	srifqi	See my signature on MT Forum.
13:41	Calinou	srifqi: it very likely is possible to compile from WSL to Windows, but it's less hacky if you do it directly from Windows with MinGW :P
13:41	srifqi	How?
13:42	srifqi	I mean, I'm being very confused. :(
13:42	Calinou	read: use http://www.msys2.org/
13:42	Calinou	(WSL = Windows Subsystem for Linux)
13:43	srifqi	I already installed it. Then what?
13:44	srifqi	I installed it because I need it for compiling with gtk.
13:45	Calinou	wait, I'm trying to figure out building Minetest from MSYS2, having trouble with OpenGL libraries as usual :\|
13:45	srifqi	"g++.exe (Rev1, Built by MSYS2 project) 6.1.0
13:45	srifqi	"
13:47	srifqi	I was running buildbot64.sh on Ubuntu on Windows until it stopped because my GCC compiler version was 4.8.
13:49	Calinou	srifqi: if you use the Creators Update, you can upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04
13:49	Calinou	alternatively, just swap your Ubuntu for an Arch Linux :) https://github.com/alwsl/alwsl
13:50	srifqi	Is it?
13:50	srifqi	How to upgrade?
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13:53	Calinou	srifqi: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/upgrade-bash-windows-10-ubuntu-16-04-lts
13:53	Calinou	hmm
13:53	Calinou	that's for Anniversay Updater
13:53	Calinou	-r
13:54	Calinou	on the Creators Update, it is the default version (if you have a new WSL) or if you upgraded from the Anniversary Update, you just do "sudo do-release-upgrade", IIRC
13:54	Calinou	not 100% sure, double-check!
13:54	srifqi	I've already installed Creators Update.
13:54	Calinou	http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/windows-10-linux-subsystem-ubuntu-16-04
13:54	Calinou	"sudo do-release-upgrade" should work
13:54	srifqi	How to check Ubuntu version? (^_^")\
13:55	rdococ	hm
13:55	rdococ	if I want to activate a mesecon effector from a lua script, what is the best way to do it?
13:55	rdococ	I've found an internal 'mesecon.activate' function, but is there a better way?
13:58	srifqi	Calinou, run "sudo do-release-upgrade". Still working....
13:58	Calinou	srifqi: it'll take a while, it downloads and installs a lot of packages
13:58	Calinou	srifqi: to check your Ubuntu version, it's "lsb_release -a" by the way
13:59	srifqi	:O Okay, it was on Ubuntu 14 LTS
14:00	tenplus1	bit old
14:01	srifqi	Probably because IDK how to upgrade. (^_^")\
14:02	rdococ	hm
14:03	srifqi	Have no idea about mesecon in lua.
14:04	rdococ	meh
14:04	rdococ	should I just call the action_on?
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14:05	srifqi	Woah 330 MB.
14:05	tenplus1	wb nrz
14:06	tenplus1	srifqi: what you up to ?
14:06	Calinou	330 MB is tiny for a distro upgrade
14:06	Calinou	it's much smaller than an Ubuntu desktop, because the WSL only has CLI components
14:06	tenplus1	ooh, you updating to 16.04.3 ?
14:06	srifqi	But for my connection speed, is, ....
14:06	srifqi	... taking an hour.
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14:07	tenplus1	o/ cx
14:08	rdococ	moo
14:08	cx384	tenplus1 \o
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14:12	tenplus1	wb DS
14:13	DS-minetest	thx
14:13	DS-minetest	hi
14:15	* tenplus1	is putting MoreBlocks Lite on Xanadu
14:16	tenplus1	https://funnyjunk.com/channel/WholesomeMemes/Smash+the+sadness/DhpsLQu/
14:32	Calinou	https://i.imgur.com/rgzfUsc.png
14:32	Calinou	time to add this to Minetest? ;)
14:33	tenplus1	lolol
14:33	rdococ	yey
14:33	rdococ	lol
14:34	DS-minetest	hm, it could already be done with a mod
14:34	* tenplus1	has parachute mod :P
14:35	DS-minetest	i mean captcha against bots
14:35	tenplus1	ehehehe
14:39	rdococ	hm
14:41	Calinou	https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/437
14:41	Calinou	this code very fast
14:41	Calinou	remove empty characters
14:41	Fixer	remove
14:43	tenplus1	why have ppl thumbed this up ?!?!?!
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14:59	IhrFussel	Hey guys
14:59	tenplus1	hi fussel
15:00	CWz	good morrow everybody!
15:00	tenplus1	o/
15:05	benrob0329	Calinou: thanks for that, now I have a minetest PR to make...
15:07	Calinou	benrob0329: gotta make those GitHub squares on your profile green ;)
15:08	rdococ	lol
15:15	tenplus1	what's the pull for ?
15:16	benrob0329	Making the code faster by removing whitespace ofc
15:16	tenplus1	lolololol
15:16	benrob0329	How else would you do it?
15:17	rdococ	simple
15:17	rdococ	convert it into machine code
15:17	rdococ	then we can modify the machine code to update the core
15:17	rdococ	saves having to compile every time
15:17	rdococ	:P
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15:21	srifqi	lol
15:32	srifqi	Downloading done.
15:33	srifqi	Upgrading...
15:33	tenplus1	sweet :P
15:33	tenplus1	you upgrading to 16.04.3 ?
15:39	tenplus1	is anyone here using linux with a baytrail cpu ??
15:56	Jordach	"Atom"
15:56	tenplus1	hi Jordach, atom here also but my other desky is baytrail
15:58	tenplus1	their is an issue with state swapping that freezes Os at times...
16:11	Calinou	heh, I asked a question in #sharex 6 hours ago, nobody replied
16:11	Calinou	79 users :\|
16:11	Calinou	in fact, nobody even said anything since I joined that channel
16:11	Calinou	(other than me)=
16:11	Calinou	-=
16:13	sfan5	i know that feel
16:14	Calinou	[crickets]
16:15	Jordach	me_irl
16:29	* benrob0329	works on uploading videos to minds.com
16:30	rdococ	hi
16:30	rdococ	.
16:30	* rdococ	needs hugs
16:31	* benrob0329	hands rdococ an animal to hug
16:33	* tenplus1	hugs rdococ with nettles
16:34	* rdococ	hugs everyone with kittens
16:34	tenplus1	noooo, the kittens are getting stung by nettles
16:38	tenplus1	Xanadu server has been updated, now has latest toolranks update, is using moreblocks lite mod and a few mob tweaks
16:40	rdococ	my new trigger mod has buttons which use node timers, so they won't remain in the pushed state if the server restarts while they're pushed
16:44	tenplus1	kewl
16:45	tenplus1	am watching a video about early crossover compatibility with old computers like amiga/atari and their games... was novel at the time before modems n such
16:52	rdococ	eventually I want to hook the system up to mesecons so it can receive and send mesecon signals
16:52	rdococ	at the moment, it can send them - just not receive them
16:52	rdococ	(so you can activate a piston, but not use a mesecon button to send a trigger)
16:55	* rdococ	proceeds to modify minetest.swap_node to activate an on_swap callback
16:55	rdococ	unsurprisingly doesn't work :P
16:55	rdococ	wait
16:57	tenplus1	did you replace minetest.swap_node function ?
16:57	rdococ	yes
16:57	tenplus1	has anyone heard of the FriendUP operating system for the cloud ??
16:58	Calinou	back in our day, we said "enemy down"â€¦
16:58	Calinou	why "friend up"? :D
16:58	rdococ	which works... except for the pressure plate, for some reason
16:59	tenplus1	lol cal
16:59	rdococ	which doesn't even call on_swap?
16:59	tenplus1	am hearing more and more about this FriendUP OS that can share resources and data streams between pc's all around the world
17:02	rdococ	DeuteragonistLEFT
17:02	rdococ	FrenemyRIGHT
17:02	tenplus1	lol
17:02	tenplus1	DiagonalOS 1.1
17:02	tenplus1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xif4Lb-SZAo
17:03	rdococ	DiagonalOS should have diagonal windows
17:04	tenplus1	diamond windows... genuis... would help with my neck crick
17:04	rdococ	I should probably create my own set of buttons etc. though
17:04	tenplus1	ignore that last link, here's the better one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnLTAR_NcIM
17:05	rdococ	and leave interfacing with mesecons to special mesecon nodes
17:05	tenplus1	custom controls for custom mod :)
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17:05	tenplus1	wb nrz
17:05	rdococ	..wait, an OS about friends?
17:05	rdococ	hah! should have called it IRC!
17:05	rdococ	or skype or something
17:05	tenplus1	a cloud based Os that works on all platform, runs the same on all platforms (for testing) , can share resources from user pc's etc
17:06	rdococ	...actually doesn't sound bad
17:06	tenplus1	personally I think it's the start of Skynet and the human race is doomed :P
17:06	rdococ	lol
17:07	Calinou	I thought we already had an OS about friendsâ€¦ http://www.ponyos.org/
17:07	tenplus1	lolol
17:07	Calinou	in fact, it's an OS for everypony
17:07	Calinou	hey, you can play Quake in it, it's not so bad
17:07	tenplus1	yes, and doom
17:07	tenplus1	shows in the video
17:09	tenplus1	I like the idea of it... everything connects seamlessly for web developers, programmers, all software runs on any friendOs platform etc... it's kinda like the gnu linux of today
17:11	Calinou	>every time a site supports HTTPS, but does not redirect to it
17:11	Calinou	[cringe]
17:11	tenplus1	ooh, not good
17:11	Calinou	(the aforementioned PonyOS website supports HTTPS, I just manually tested :P)
17:11	rdococ	dude, https?
17:11	tenplus1	is POnyOs linux based ?
17:11	rdococ	they should have switched to the much more secure xhttps
17:11	rdococ	dammit, site owners, keep up with the times
17:11	rdococ	:P
17:12	tenplus1	even my ancient website (written in notepad) was xhttp compliant :P
17:12	Calinou	haha, directory listing is allowed: https://ponyos.org/assets/
17:12	Calinou	tenplus1: nah, it's an OS from scratch, based on ToaruOS, another OS from the same person (PonyOS is just a rebrand)
17:12	Calinou	tenplus1: XHTML, not XHTTPS :p
17:12	Calinou	XHTTPS is just a typo rdococ made, I called it "Extreme HTTPS" or something
17:13	rdococ	but XHTTPS is a good abbreviation
17:13	tenplus1	looks pretty :PPP
17:14	rdococ	lol
17:15	tenplus1	I can see a few new Os' make an appearance to grab the publics attention over winblows and mac
17:16	tenplus1	if I get the idea of FriendUP Os, 100 players can be using Minetest connected to a single server on 1 pc and it shares resources from all 100 systems to run server :) cpu/gpu/mem
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17:21	tenplus1	hi Krock
17:23	Krock	hi tenplus1
17:25	tenplus1	Krock: whaddya think of this: https://ponyos.org/assets/
17:25	tenplus1	no no... wrong link. ahhahahah, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnLTAR_NcIM
17:26	Krock	nice assets
17:26	tenplus1	lol
17:27	tenplus1	https://friendup.cloud/features/ <-- prolly a better idea of what it is... my bad
17:28	Calinou	http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou/
17:28	Calinou	there, made a small HTML page for viewing the map
17:28	Krock	well, an OS cloud is a great idea if you have a fast internet connection
17:28	Krock	otherwise it's not really helpful
17:28	Calinou	it just provides crisp edges (IE11/Firefox/Chrome), and a dark background during loading
17:28	Calinou	you can zoom in, pixels stay sharp :P
17:28	tenplus1	nicely done Cal
17:29	Krock	wow. a 10 MiB map. loads slowly
17:29	Krock	1/3 loaded
17:29	Calinou	yeah
17:29	Calinou	I'm thinking about writing my own Leaflet-like thing, maybe
17:29	Calinou	just for fun
17:29	Calinou	splitting the map into smaller parts and streaming it, adding panning/zooming with the mouse, X/Z coordinate displayâ€¦
17:30	Calinou	rotating the map display, maybe, too
17:30	Krock	needs more trees
17:32	Calinou	funny issue of the day: https://github.com/freedoom/freedoom/issues/486
17:32	tenplus1	lolol
17:32	Calinou	turns out Freedoomguy uses fries as shotgun ammo
17:35	rdococ	does he shoot them into his mouth to eat quickly?
17:36	tenplus1	om nom nom nom... doom slaper +10 hp
17:36	tenplus1	*slayer
17:36	Raven262	Doomguy can carry some 100 rockets in his backpack and that was never an issue.
17:36	tenplus1	hi raven
17:36	Raven262	Hi ten
17:37	rdococ	HIS NAME IS ELEVEN!!!
17:37	Raven262	Just found out that is was logged out.
17:37	Raven262	No, he is ten, one was not yet added in the time of his nick's creation.
17:40	tenplus1	o.O
17:41	* tenplus1	hides in null space
17:43	Calinou	I tweaked my ShareX setup so that screenshots/GIFs are automatically uploaded to my server via SFTP, and optimized first using oxipng :)
17:44	Calinou	hi Raven262 :)
17:55	IhrFussel	Well hello there random server crashing bug that was triggered by Server::SendMovePlayer(unsigned short) ... I had this bug for a while now and the worst is it only happens when I'm NOT running the debug build
17:55	tenplus1	??
17:57	IhrFussel	tenplus1, random movement/position segfault ... SOMETHING must report a non-existent position for a player and everything crashes...it happened right after teleporting to a player so it definitely is about movement
17:59	tenplus1	erk
17:59	IhrFussel	I had this random segfault for months now...it happens completely random...sometimes it happens several times a day...but it could also not happen for a week or so (like now it happened after ~ 1 week again)
17:59	tenplus1	issue ahoy
17:59	IhrFussel	The devs already told me that there's nothing they can do without debug info...and I wasn't able to reproduce it with a debug build yet
18:00	IhrFussel	I tried a few times already and it never happened in the debug version
18:00	tenplus1	same with that damned serialize.h error we have on server... cant track the damn thing and far too random for debug
18:02	IhrFussel	I heard that it's possible that the debug builds run too slow to cause the crashes
18:02	tenplus1	I wouldnt be surprised...
18:02	IhrFussel	I mean if it's caused by race conditions those may never happened in debug mode
18:02	IhrFussel	happen*
18:03	benrob0329	(Offtopic) Video on the history of Linux: https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/631518860628992008
18:03	tenplus1	thx benrob
18:03	IhrFussel	tenplus1, I also had that serialize.h bug in the past...updating MT fixed it for some reasons...or it was fixed by updating a faulty mod
18:04	tenplus1	we dont have it as frequently as before which is great, but it does happen and reset server... cant track the damned thing down
18:11	IhrFussel	I thought mods couldn't cause segfaults, but they certainly can...I provoked one myself by putting a file handler in the on_use callback of a tool ... when someone dug extremely fast it caused a segfault
18:13	IhrFussel	As soon as I removed that file handler again the segfaults stopped, so it's 100% evidence of mods causing segfaults
18:14	tenplus1	problem is no errors appear to figure what's causing them in the mod
18:14	tenplus1	or entity
18:14	benrob0329	Or of each callback needing its own thread
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18:17	tenplus1	wb behalebabo
18:18	behalebabo	ty
18:18	IhrFussel	AFAIK all Lua callbacks run in the same thread so nothing runs parallel...right?
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18:20	tenplus1	wb caleb
18:20	CalebDavis	thc
18:20	CalebDavis	thx^
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18:33	tenplus1	hi paramat
18:35	rdococ	hi eleven and paramat
18:35	lisac	hey tenplus1, I'm back
18:35	tenplus1	o/
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18:36	tenplus1	hi celeron
18:36	lisac	hey celeron55
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18:36	Raven262	o/ Calinou
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18:36	tenplus1	hi bigfoot
18:36	Raven262	I've been cooking dinner, took a while to get back to pc
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18:36	tenplus1	anything nice ?
18:37	rubenwardy	Calinou, I've seen Minetest maps similar to that
18:37	rubenwardy	<Calinou> splitting the map into smaller parts and streaming it, adding panning/zooming with the mouse, X/Z coordinate displayâ€¦
18:37	lisac	is it just me? https://imgur.com/xjHP376
18:37	rubenwardy	just you
18:37	tenplus1	am in forum just now
18:37	lisac	great
18:37	lisac	it's back now
18:38	rubenwardy	well, at least I'm not getting that
18:38	Calinou	rubenwardy: yeah, MTSatellite, but it looks "shoddy" in design to me :\|
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18:42	rubenwardy	Calinou, https://minetest.rbose.org/
18:42	rubenwardy	that's leaflet right?
18:42	tenplus1	nice
18:43	tenplus1	http://vps1.jjayr.com/mt/mt02-xanadu2016/map
18:44	rubenwardy	ah, tenplus1's link includes sources
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18:44	tenplus1	wb shara
18:45	Calinou	rubenwardy: yep
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18:45	Calinou	that one isn't too bad
18:45	tenplus1	hi unk
18:50	benrob0329	rubenwardy: woah
18:50	benrob0329	It's snappy, even on a phone
18:50	benrob0329	Take that, Google maps!
18:50	tenplus1	lol
18:51	Fixer	hmmhmhmmhmhmhmhm
18:52	Fixer	Microsoft Anna Text to Speech thing is quite impressive, I've generated tons of ogg-vorbis files of audiotext that I was too lazy to read about computer history from a blog
18:53	tenplus1	handy
18:53	benrob0329	Fixer: isnt that what festival and the like do?
18:53	Fixer	yes
18:53	Fixer	same thing
18:54	benrob0329	Then why are you using one from Microsoft :^)
18:54	Fixer	windows 7
18:54	benrob0329	Ew
18:54	Fixer	13 hours of text
18:55	benrob0329	Also ew
18:58	Fixer	from here http://www.filfre.net/sitemap/
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19:49	Calinou	benrob0329: mobile Chrome isn't so bad, mobile Firefox is another thing
19:49	Calinou	I wish I could use Chromium on Android, but it lacks a DuckDuckGo search option, and reliable content blocking (uBlock Origin)
19:51	tenplus1	try the browser "Ghostery" on android/iphone... it's really good, has privacy options and built in adblock
19:55	Calinou	Ghostery is proprietary, though :(
19:55	Calinou	I'm on Firefox 55, which is supposed to have e10s, but not enabled by default perhaps
19:56	Calinou	Firefox 57 enables it by default, breaking legacy add-ons
20:05	benrob0329	FF has other problems however
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20:18	tenplus1	nite folks :)
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20:35	Calinou	benrob0329: which problems?
20:35	Calinou	Chromium's devtools are much more complete
20:35	Calinou	but other than thatâ€¦
20:36	Calinou	(that does matter to me though, as a webdev :P)
20:37	nerzhul	Calinou, it depends on your plugins
20:38	Calinou	Chromium has really good devtools out of the box, without needing any plugins
20:38	Calinou	and there's a dark theme for devtools since ~10 versions or so :P
20:39	Calinou	you can also zoom in/out of the devtools to change the font size
20:40	rubenwardy	I prefer Firefox's dev tools
20:40	rubenwardy	personally
20:40	nerzhul	rubenwardy, +1
20:40	rubenwardy	although it sucks at HTML5 canvas
21:13	benrob0329	Calinou: Pulseaudio as a hard dependency, bad performance on android
21:18	IhrFussel	Firefox sends usage stats to their servers without your permission AFAIK...many people run away from it
21:19	IhrFussel	The market share shrinks...Chrome/Chromium are clearly #1 objectively
21:20	IhrFussel	Firefox had its golden days before Chromium was born
21:21	Calinou	IhrFussel: Chrome does the same thing (telemetry) and it's not fully disableable
21:21	Calinou	(Chromium too)
21:21	Calinou	Firefox makes it possible to fully opt-out (but it doesn't ask you on first start, unfortunately)
21:21	benrob0329	All modern browsers suck in one way or another
21:22	IhrFussel	Most browsers have one major problem: They only work good for ONE OS ... I have yet to find one that features the EXACT same support on multiple OS's
21:23	benrob0329	despite the fact that we have a ton of cross platform libraries nowadays
21:51	IhrFussel	benrob0329, yes to me it seems like nobody really wants to support Linux (outside out Android)
21:51	IhrFussel	outside of*
21:52	Calinou	IhrFussel: it's rare for large software developers with a "commercial" mentality to support Linux well
21:52	Calinou	unfortunately
21:53	Calinou	if you look at most of the Linux game ports, they have performance issues, distribution issues (hard to run on anything that's not Ubuntu), etc
21:53	nerzhul	no it's not rare to support linux, but yes support minetest and UI engine is rare
21:53	Calinou	there is supporting Linux, and supporting Linux well :)
21:54	nerzhul	many infrastructure software are from an enterprise (haproxy, nginx, mysql, mariadb, docker, kubernetes, openstack...)
21:56	IhrFussel	Most popular softwares are not available on Linux ... companies don't really care about the ~ 5% desktop users
21:57	nerzhul	but most popular company support linux for enterprise server softwares, sorry :)
21:57	nerzhul	desktop is not important, money is in B2B not B2C when you don't sell hardware
21:57	IhrFussel	Server != desktop ... Desktop support is missing
21:58	IhrFussel	No they just go where the money is...Windows Desktop
21:59	nerzhul	for B2C yes, B2B no
22:00	nerzhul	and you forget android market which is huge
22:00	IhrFussel	I excluded Android cause it's something else
22:00	nerzhul	no, it's B2C too :)
22:01	IhrFussel	But not desktop either...also not server...it's its own category
22:01	nerzhul	and certainly the biggest market we have in B2C these days, windows is not increasing, ANdroid replaces PC, OSX and IOS replaces Windows, and Linux is slowly increasing
22:01	nerzhul	android is a terminal which replaces windows for 80% users needs without problem these days :)
22:02	nerzhul	for the 20% , either do it at work (print, ...) either you don't need :p
22:02	nerzhul	i go to bed, see you, IhrFussel the PR with the bypass has been merged to master
22:05	Calinou	https://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/6xzyfz/reddit_turns_off_access_to_its_main_source_code/
22:05	Calinou	:\|
22:08	sfan5	how long took that to reach /r/opensource
22:08	sfan5	i read the same in /r/programming like 4 days ago
22:13	benrob0329	Minds FTW!
22:21	sfan5	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/6y0zdh/minecraft_story_mode_for_linux_never_got_released/dmkd01v/ hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
22:21	benrob0329	kek
22:22	rubenwardy	what is Minecraft Story Mode?
22:22	rubenwardy	why would a sandbox get a story
22:22	benrob0329	because Minecraft is an rpg?
22:22	rubenwardy	is it even done semi-procedurally, or lazily?
22:23	sfan5	rubenwardy: the other comments explain it pretty well
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22:43	srifqi	Calinou: "=== Command terminated with exit status 1 (Tue Sep 5 05:38:48 2017) ==="
22:44	sofar	what's the multiline version of 'label' in formspecs? anyone?
22:44	srifqi	Calinou: upgraded to 16.04.3 LTS
22:56	benrob0329	trying to upload videos over wifi probably wasn't a good idea
22:57	benrob0329	worked fine for the old 720p ones, not so much the 1080

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