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jas_ |
*yawn* mm coffee |
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jas_ |
mm.. more coffee |
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IhrFussel |
Hi guys |
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jas_ |
hello |
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Fixer |
ohi |
| 11:23 |
Fixer |
jas_: your server is up to date? |
| 11:27 |
jas_ |
no |
| 11:27 |
jas_ |
i been meaning to |
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jas_ |
gonna have broken textures tho lol |
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IhrFussel |
For now I changed the mobs API so that active mobs in range that have an owner will print their current pos to the log every few secs and when players type /find NAME the log will be fetched for the pet's last pos |
| 12:54 |
IhrFussel |
That makes finding lost pets possible since they can get unloaded as soon as they are out of active range and nobody knows where they are |
| 13:09 |
jas_ |
okay i'm up to date. https://i.imgur.com/w6ZakkC.png i should really try to cherry |
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jas_ |
-pick around this, it bothers me LOL |
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Jordach |
Fixer, i love it when people complain about telemetry, except it's the reason why 7 is so good |
| 13:48 |
Jordach |
(xp and vista had it silently for years, go figure why 7 was really good) |
| 13:51 |
Jordach |
that always shuts up the whiners :) |
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CalebDavis |
hi tre |
| 14:12 |
ThomasMonroe |
hi |
| 14:13 |
Sokomine |
ihrfussel: why don't you store the mob position in a lua data structure? if needed, the amount of mobs per player could be limited (perhaps due to higher costs) |
| 14:14 |
Sokomine |
ok, doesn't really help with finding where they are...a callback function to a stable might help. plus some handling of mobs that got called back while beeing out of range |
| 14:14 |
IhrFussel |
The engine simply needs an on_deactivate() callback for entities...it would be way easier then |
| 14:18 |
Sokomine |
oh yes. that sounds helpful |
| 14:21 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: how about that function that returns the mobs data values, get_staticdata? any calls to that might update the mob's position in your internal data structure. no idea how often that gets called |
| 14:22 |
IhrFussel |
AFAIK you can only get the values for an entity that's loaded...off-map the entity doesn't "exist" |
| 14:25 |
Sokomine |
that's right. what i mean is the following: keep an internal data structure about which mob is where. there aren't too many tamed ones. when get_staticdata gets called, the mob will (probably) be unloaded next...so update its position in the internal data structure. not perfect but better than logging all positions all the time? |
| 14:30 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, entities also need an ID...the only way to store such a "last ID state" would be in files I think if I want the IDs to be truly unique and persistent |
| 14:31 |
IhrFussel |
Or I give each tamed mob a random number that acts like an "ID" |
| 14:32 |
Fixer |
new bullshit hype arrives called AI, cloud sucks silently |
| 14:32 |
Fixer |
Jordach: i've used firewall synce ancient times that also blocks windows requests except winupdates |
| 14:35 |
Fixer |
synce |
| 14:35 |
Fixer |
noice |
| 14:35 |
Fixer |
red-001: any luck finding that BASED file? |
| 14:39 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: that's right. another problem they've got. my traders have a uniq id based on time of creation and position |
| 14:45 |
IhrFussel |
os.time() + pos as ID...not a bad idea actually |
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| 15:17 |
CalebDavis |
i had someone ask me how to split up a stak for crafting on a phone how do you do that? |
| 15:24 |
jas_ |
double-tap-hold-swipe |
| 15:24 |
jas_ |
tap once, tap second time holding, swipe with other finger. it's alright once you get used to it, but still tricky. |
| 15:24 |
jas_ |
gotta be a good mod, or a better way |
| 15:24 |
jas_ |
or some instructions hehe |
| 15:27 |
CalebDavis |
XD yea |
| 15:39 |
Fixer |
CalebDavis: you split the phone in half and buy a desktop/laptop |
| 15:40 |
CalebDavis |
XD |
| 16:06 |
CalebDavis |
i need to know how to open your inventory on a phone |
| 16:11 |
IhrFussel |
CalebDavis, there should be an on-screen button |
| 16:11 |
CalebDavis |
ok |
| 16:11 |
IhrFussel |
If the player uses the official Minetest it can be found in the menu with the 3 dots on the left side |
| 16:12 |
IhrFussel |
Or maybe it's another symbol..but it should be a button on the left side of the screen which expands into drop, chat and inventory |
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Fixer |
nsfw, bitcoins again https://twitter.com/GoatseDotCx/status/896530165794295808 |
| 16:45 |
Fixer |
wonder when burst will happen, I also need to buy a new GPU :/ |
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CalebDavis |
hi Krock |
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Krock |
hi CalebDavis |
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Krock |
expected: late 10+1, got: CalebDavis |
| 16:58 |
CalebDavis |
XD |
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Calinou |
hi |
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Fixer |
=*,,.,,*= |
| 18:53 |
Fixer |
hi |
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Hijiri |
hi |
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CalebDavis |
hi |
| 19:03 |
Krock |
hi |
| 19:05 |
rubenwardy |
hi |
| 19:09 |
Shara |
hi |
| 19:15 |
Dargod |
hi |
| 19:27 |
Fixer |
8 hi's in a row |
| 19:27 |
red-001 |
oh nice reactos moved to git |
| 19:30 |
Fixer |
nobodyusesOS |
| 19:58 |
red-001 |
!tell paramat is it possible to run a lua mapgen in a coroutine? |
| 19:58 |
ShadowBot |
red-001: O.K. |
| 20:09 |
nerzhul |
red-001, no |
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| 20:29 |
Dargod |
hmm, sauth importing auth.txt already 20min |
| 20:29 |
Dargod |
this is normal? |
| 20:29 |
Shara |
Depends on auth size? |
| 20:29 |
Shara |
Poke shivajiva :) |
| 20:30 |
* red-001 |
pokes shivajiva |
| 20:30 |
Dargod |
~24mb |
| 20:39 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 20:39 |
Fixer |
probably |
| 20:41 |
Dargod |
hmm, killed that process, restarted - passed instantly |
| 20:42 |
Fixer |
interesting |
| 20:45 |
nerzhul |
omg |
| 20:45 |
nerzhul |
Dargod, with my file to postgresql import: 3 sec :p |
| 20:45 |
nerzhul |
i don't know what is sauth but it's bad |
| 20:45 |
shivajiva |
lol |
| 20:46 |
Shara |
nerzhul: he just said it was instant on second try :) |
| 20:46 |
shivajiva |
that's like saying don't know what is CSM is but it's bad |
| 20:47 |
Shara |
at least in that case it would be right |
| 20:47 |
Shara |
(in some ways) |
| 20:48 |
nerzhul |
it's wrong, CSM can never be bad :p |
| 20:48 |
Shara |
CSM is evil! :P |
| 20:48 |
red-001 |
but is MSC is |
| 20:49 |
Fixer |
what you say? |
| 20:49 |
shivajiva |
then we can assume sauth isn't either |
| 20:49 |
Dargod |
as it turned out now, the sauth.sqlite was empty, deleted it, run again, and again a long import |
| 20:50 |
red-001 |
so much rewriting to do |
| 20:50 |
red-001 |
who even implemented Auth in lua in the first place? |
| 20:50 |
shivajiva |
hmm it's supposed to bail on the import if there are more than 360 records and spit a dump file out Dargod |
| 20:51 |
Fixer |
http://www.solarham.net/pictures/archive/oct18_2017_cme.jpg |
| 20:52 |
shivajiva |
though sofar stated 360 was too low and 3600 was reasonable as it would take less than a minute |
| 20:53 |
shivajiva |
any signs of auth.sql file in the world folder? |
| 20:54 |
Fixer |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=297350#p297350 |
| 20:54 |
Dargod |
https://a.uguu.se/asxsJeAhWnMP.png |
| 20:54 |
Dargod |
shivajiva, no |
| 20:54 |
Dargod |
still waiting |
| 20:55 |
shivajiva |
then something is wrong with record detection, I'll check |
| 20:56 |
shivajiva |
is this for stable or dev? |
| 20:58 |
Dargod |
stable-0.4 branch |
| 20:58 |
atorian37 |
is the "running" function controlled by a priv? ( W+E) |
| 21:00 |
red-001 |
yes |
| 21:00 |
red-001 |
fast |
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| 21:00 |
atorian37 |
ok tnx! |
| 21:04 |
IhrFussel |
I modified the mobs redo engine further and implemented elite mobs...random mobs that have more HP and cause more damage compared to the regular form |
| 21:08 |
Dargod |
put it in the background, check tomorrow, what will happen |
| 21:17 |
shivajiva |
okay, bug confirmed though. It goes straight to import regardless of number of records |
| 21:17 |
Fixer |
hmm |
| 21:19 |
Fixer |
craaaaaaash |
| 21:19 |
shivajiva |
highly suggestive that core.auth_table is empty at the point it's triggered |
| 21:22 |
red-001 |
so core.auth_table is undocumented and therefore no backwards compatibiliy is required? |
| 21:23 |
sfan5 |
isn't core.auth_table just an implemention details of the default auth handler? |
| 21:23 |
red-001 |
seems so |
| 21:24 |
red-001 |
not sure why it's a global |
| 21:24 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: another crash on your server :( |
| 21:25 |
shivajiva |
I assumed looking at builtin auth that the load is triggered before the handler is registered |
| 21:26 |
shivajiva |
so if auth.txt has content's it will load into core.auth_table regardless of handler used |
| 21:26 |
red-001 |
Question: should I keep the file based auth backend? |
| 21:26 |
red-001 |
I implemented a read only version for now |
| 21:27 |
red-001 |
just so it can be loaded when converting to another database |
| 21:28 |
shivajiva |
good enough reason for it to stay for now |
| 21:33 |
nerzhul |
Fixer, did you find the debug dll ? |
| 21:34 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: red-001 found some but I still need one more dll |
| 21:34 |
nerzhul |
red-001, keep it for compat reason and we will drop it in a future release like player file backend |
| 21:35 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: ucrtbased.dll |
| 21:36 |
nerzhul |
erf |
| 21:36 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: you should have it on your install |
| 21:39 |
nerzhul |
i'm pretty sure but i'm working on another project now |
| 21:42 |
sofar |
nerzhul: can we move env_meta into map.sqlite? |
| 21:42 |
sofar |
I don't see why it couldn't be there |
| 21:43 |
sofar |
it's world related info anyway |
| 21:43 |
red-001 |
+1 |
| 21:44 |
rubenwardy |
it's not relational data |
| 21:45 |
sofar |
neither is block data |
| 21:45 |
rubenwardy |
or even a list |
| 21:45 |
red-001 |
still less likely to be corrupted |
| 21:45 |
sofar |
just some values of which one is constantly updated and therefore causing writes |
| 21:46 |
sofar |
open/write/close |
| 21:46 |
nerzhul |
sofar, no problem for me |
| 21:46 |
sofar |
also, if the file is corrupted the game crashes :) |
| 21:46 |
nerzhul |
use a table with 2 columns, it's lgtm, this file is useless |
| 21:46 |
sofar |
essentially map_meta should go there as well |
| 21:46 |
nerzhul |
also it should be consistent and DB are better for that than flat files |
| 21:46 |
sofar |
even if it's all just serialized strings |
| 21:47 |
rubenwardy |
seems stupid to me |
| 21:47 |
red-001 |
isn't map meta more user editiable through? |
| 21:47 |
sofar |
it's not that hard to use sqlite3 |
| 21:48 |
rubenwardy |
map_meta is static, so you don't even have the constantly updated argument |
| 21:48 |
sofar |
having 3-4 randomly formatted config files is the problem |
| 21:48 |
red-001 |
plus you might want to copy that between worlds |
| 21:48 |
sofar |
one requires a weird syntax |
| 21:50 |
sofar |
I just don't see the point in having what are essentially multiple flat config files |
| 21:50 |
sofar |
heck minetest.conf could be an sqlite db |
| 21:51 |
sfan5 |
>config in db |
| 21:51 |
sfan5 |
:s |
| 21:51 |
rubenwardy |
:/ |
| 21:52 |
red-001 |
well it would solve it being confusing for new players |
| 21:52 |
sofar |
<<what is this "EnvArgsEnd"?>> <<deletes>> |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
oh hey it's [end of params] in map_meta.txt |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
lol |
| 21:53 |
rubenwardy |
this is a very small issue on the scale of things |
| 21:54 |
sofar |
I see it more as the last few cancer cells |
| 21:54 |
red-001 |
+1 to removing the werid terminators |
| 21:55 |
red-001 |
settings work fine without them |
| 21:55 |
sofar |
having a nice configure UI in the game for a world (like the settings) would solve the problem |
| 21:56 |
sofar |
it's completely nonimpactful other than the time thing that causes writes every N seconds |
| 21:57 |
red-001 |
added world settings in my pr for creating a seperate config file for the server |
| 21:57 |
red-001 |
you could merge the settings into the main settings |
| 21:57 |
sofar |
I run my servers with a "server.conf" in the world folder, which solves that problem nicely |
| 21:57 |
red-001 |
and store meta data in the database |
| 21:58 |
sofar |
it also prevents, at the same time, minetest from OVERWRITING settings if you modify it while mt is running, which is great |
| 21:58 |
sofar |
so I have a nice r/o conf that never gets touched by MT |
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nerzhul |
minetest.conf should never be in db |
| 22:02 |
nerzhul |
but i'm ok with world dir, except the world.mt :p |
| 22:03 |
Fixer |
sqlite viibeees |
| 22:03 |
nerzhul |
sofar, generaly in any service it's r/o for app |
| 22:03 |
sofar |
I've thought about using mod_storage more for various data bits |
| 22:03 |
nerzhul |
like your apache/nginx/postgresql configuration :p |
| 22:04 |
sofar |
but after remembering that it's basically flat-file based, I doubt that using it to store hundreds of several kb-large text blobs in it isn't a good ide |
| 22:04 |
red-001 |
wouldn't mind mod storage being in a DB |
| 22:04 |
sofar |
e.g. WE doing schematic storage into mod_storage is probably a bad idea |
| 22:05 |
nerzhul |
sofar, mod storage should be in world dir |
| 22:05 |
nerzhul |
world db |
| 22:05 |
sofar |
so tbh I'm a bit sad that mod_storage isn't an sqlite |
| 22:05 |
nerzhul |
but it wasn't |
| 22:05 |
nerzhul |
move it to world db |
| 22:05 |
sofar |
and thus I'm using lsqlite3.... :) |
| 22:05 |
Fixer |
jas_: bump |
| 22:05 |
nerzhul |
k/k2/v : mod, k, v |
| 22:05 |
Fixer |
jas_: Thomas-S: are your 0.5.0 dev servers up to date? I had connection problems to it (tile warning) |
| 22:05 |
nerzhul |
sofar, please provide us some PR for those backends i will be happy to accept them |
| 22:06 |
nerzhul |
it's better than using lquite3 |
| 22:06 |
sofar |
kek |
| 22:08 |
Fixer |
i've infected sofar with kek unfortunately |
| 22:10 |
red-001 |
We are doomed! It has started to spread. |
| 22:12 |
Fixer |
serialisation error: can't read all chars when placed torch below huge sand hanging |
| 22:12 |
Fixer |
default |
| 22:12 |
Fixer |
but on asio branch |
| 22:13 |
Fixer |
sofar: iirc advanced world config was kinda rejected |
| 22:14 |
red-001 |
Fixer, link? |
| 22:14 |
red-001 |
I kinda remeber that |
| 22:14 |
red-001 |
remember* |
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| 22:18 |
Fixer |
no wait |
| 22:18 |
Fixer |
sofar: nevermind, i was wrong |
| 22:18 |
Fixer |
newer version of PR was opened |
| 22:18 |
Fixer |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6399 |
| 22:19 |
sofar |
neat |
| 22:27 |
Fixer |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6544 also very needed |
| 22:28 |
Fixer |
ALSO |
| 22:28 |
Fixer |
string has no use anymore in minetest_game |
| 22:35 |
Fixer |
kinda sad mtg is less user friendly than MC |
| 22:36 |
Fixer |
in mt you can't just dig chest or furnace and autopick up everything |
| 22:36 |
Fixer |
you have to remove components, some will say it is more realistic |
| 22:36 |
Fixer |
sofar: maybe |
| 22:36 |
Fixer |
oops |
| 22:36 |
Fixer |
just maybe |
| 22:36 |
Fixer |
without sofar part |
| 22:39 |
sofar |
ahh well, I still want other stuff more :) |
| 22:39 |
sofar |
csm particles and sounds, for instance |
| 22:39 |
sofar |
meta set nodedef->tiles[] |
| 22:40 |
sofar |
that last one would give us signs without entities |
| 22:40 |
red-001 |
sounds is just fixing media loading |
| 22:40 |
Fixer |
i'm watching various MC modded lets plays, even from beta era, and ... FUUUUUCK WE ARE BEHIND LIGHT YEARS FROM THEM :( |
| 22:41 |
Fixer |
*caps added for dramatic effect |
| 22:41 |
red-001 |
should be pretty trivial |
| 22:41 |
sofar |
red-001: I know, they're not even un-modest things :) |
| 22:41 |
sofar |
anyway, csm particles and csm sounds are useless imho without mod sending |
| 22:42 |
sofar |
even useless if csm is disabled by default |
| 22:42 |
sofar |
so they're pretty big bets |
| 22:42 |
sofar |
nodedef->tiles would be a major win, though |
| 22:42 |
sofar |
itemframes and flowerpots would be awesome |
| 22:43 |
red-001 |
CSM mod sending discussions don't tend to go in productive directions |
| 22:43 |
sofar |
I wouldn't bother listening |
| 22:43 |
sofar |
just code it |
| 22:44 |
sofar |
theres a bunch of uninformed people interfering in anything they percieve as IMMIGRANTS, MUSLIMS AND CSM |
| 22:44 |
sofar |
literally the rationality is gone |
| 22:45 |
sofar |
you are already running untrusted code. You downloaded an unsigned binary from sfanS (sic) |
| 22:45 |
red-001 |
don't forget those evil corporations that sell software |
| 22:46 |
red-001 |
oh matrix users have returned |
| 22:46 |
Fixer |
:D |
| 22:46 |
Fixer |
now with extra long messages |
| 22:47 |
red-001 |
it's hard not to make circa 1999 jokes |
| 22:48 |
Fixer |
FEELING OLD? |
| 22:49 |
Fixer |
Matrix is just 18 years old |
| 22:49 |
Fixer |
ooooooops |
| 22:49 |
sofar |
so, finally legal? |
| 22:49 |
Fixer |
and that GIF can probably buy you a beer |
| 22:49 |
Fixer |
(c) |
| 22:50 |
red-001 |
* terms and conditions apply, please check your countries terms of service |
| 23:11 |
Fixer |
storing items in inventory |
| 23:11 |
benrob0329 |
red-001: Matrix users have been here for a long while |
| 23:17 |
sofar |
I store items inside items in the inventory |
| 23:17 |
sofar |
itemception |
| 23:37 |
* Sokomine |
stares quite annoyed at a new phone that refuses to be mounted as usb mass storage |
| 23:39 |
Fixer |
sofar: kinda hackish (at least feels to me) |
| 23:40 |
Fixer |
sofar: misread it again, nevermind |
| 23:42 |
Fixer |
sofar: keeping items in inventory worries me, from gameplay standpoint |
| 23:46 |
benrob0329 |
Sokomine: Android or iOS? |
| 23:56 |
jas_ |
fixer: i updated my server today |
| 23:56 |
jas_ |
f36e3231 |
