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| 12:51 |
Megaf |
Greetings |
| 12:52 |
Shara |
Hello |
| 12:53 |
TMcSquared |
hello Megaf |
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TMcSquared |
hello Megaf_ |
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Krock |
Gigaf |
| 13:14 |
Megaf |
Ok, just switched to 5 GHz, hopefully my connection will be more stable now |
| 13:15 |
Megaf |
Frequency:5.18 GHz |
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Megaf |
So far so good |
| 13:24 |
Megaf |
Welcome back sniper338 |
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jas_ |
gotta learn to look at channel name lol |
| 13:53 |
Megaf |
jas_, Why you say that? |
| 13:57 |
jas_ |
oh, nothing. i just neglect to check the channel i'm in when replying to stuff, and can't get away with it in -dev |
| 13:57 |
jas_ |
haha |
| 13:57 |
Megaf |
ah |
| 13:58 |
jas_ |
how are you today, megaf? |
| 13:58 |
jas_ |
Megaf* |
| 13:58 |
jas_ |
is it "meh gaf"? like one word? i always read mega f |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
One word :) |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
But you can read as you wish |
| 14:05 |
Megaf |
I'm doing well jas_, just finished moving yesterday |
| 14:05 |
* Shara |
reads "Megaf" as "Roary Tiger" |
| 14:06 |
Megaf |
Yesterday was first night at new house @_ |
| 14:06 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 14:06 |
Megaf |
Things we going very well for me. How things go well for everyone else too |
| 15:03 |
Wayward_One |
Hi all :) |
| 15:04 |
ThomasMonroe |
hello |
| 15:05 |
CalebDavis |
hi |
| 15:07 |
Megaf |
Hi Wayward_One |
| 15:07 |
* Megaf |
purrs at Shara |
| 15:08 |
Fixer |
Megaf: if you have wifi stability problems - check also if some nearby wifis do not use your channel |
| 15:08 |
* Megaf |
never knows when to you to/for/at in/on/at |
| 15:08 |
* Megaf |
never knows when to use to/for/at in/on/at |
| 15:08 |
Megaf |
Fixer, that's likely, that's why I went to 5GHz |
| 15:08 |
Megaf |
I'm the only 5GHz in range |
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| 15:29 |
sniper338 |
Megaf: Thanx! ʅ(°‿°)ʃ |
| 15:29 |
IhrFussel |
Hello guys...so I am not the only one who experiences lag spikes when several players fly with fast around the map? |
| 15:30 |
Fixer |
*,,,,* |
| 15:30 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: naturally, they generate/load mapchunks and that naturally causes lag, known for ages, there was some discussion on that on irc |
| 15:31 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: it needs to be fixed somehow |
| 15:31 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: iiuc exploring generates lua lag too |
| 15:32 |
IhrFussel |
Yeah well it happens more often when players run with fast on ground |
| 15:32 |
IhrFussel |
I guess cause there's more to load |
| 15:33 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 15:33 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe increasing the max_send_distance could help |
| 15:34 |
Megaf |
pre generating the map would help |
| 15:34 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 15:34 |
IhrFussel |
But it also happens on already generated terrain...players just trigger too many mapblocks at once with fast |
| 15:34 |
Fixer |
ideally i would pregenerate something like 2000x2000x2000 cube centered on spawn |
| 15:35 |
Fixer |
if disk space is not a concern |
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| 15:35 |
IhrFussel |
I will try a higher send distance...will that cause much more CPU load or just network bandwith? |
| 15:36 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: probably both |
| 15:36 |
Fixer |
i kinda like how LL restricted server map to +/- 4500 nodes |
| 15:36 |
Fixer |
i know some people like huge maps, i agree with that too |
| 15:38 |
IhrFussel |
Can someone tell me what a good amount for max_packets_per_iteration is? Also what does "iteration" mean? Step? |
| 15:43 |
IhrFussel |
Okay I read it's per "send step" |
| 15:52 |
IhrFussel |
Does the chat interval also depend on the server step by the way? Or is it its own thing? |
| 15:53 |
IhrFussel |
Like if you have a step of 0.5 secs for example and users send messages in between steps... will the messages only display on the next step or in realtime? |
| 15:54 |
Krock |
it's not bound to the server step |
| 15:54 |
Krock |
either that or the server step value is limited somewhere |
| 15:55 |
IhrFussel |
But if the chat was independent it wouldn't pause while the server lags...correct? |
| 15:57 |
IhrFussel |
Would it be possible to have an own thread for the chat? I Imagine it could still relaibly work even if a mod causes lag I guess |
| 15:57 |
IhrFussel |
reliably* |
| 15:58 |
Krock |
if the server can't process the incoming packets in time, there will be delays everywhere |
| 16:00 |
IhrFussel |
So does the lua stack interrupt the network threads while it runs? |
| 16:03 |
IhrFussel |
I mean lua also has callbacks for chat messages so maybe the engine waits for it to finish before continuing with the other packets |
| 16:06 |
Krock |
there are no interrupts. it'll wait until the previous lua function is done |
| 16:07 |
Krock |
if there are even multiple threads that could wait on eachother.. |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 16:08 |
IhrFussel |
So is a "lag free chat" impossible? Or just too difficult to implement? |
| 16:09 |
IhrFussel |
I mean an ingame chat that still let's players talk to each other while the rest of the server hangs |
| 16:11 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not even sure if there are online games that feature such a thing |
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Hijiri |
it's possible, and I don't think it would be difficult, but it would require signficant owrk |
| 17:08 |
Hijiri |
actually maybe not possible to do nicely |
| 17:08 |
Hijiri |
since you need lua callbacks to run on chat |
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IhrFussel |
Yeah I guess you'd need to ignore the lua callback during that time |
| 17:45 |
IhrFussel |
Does the server only send new mapblocks if something on the loaded mapblocks changed or the player is about to leave the loaded ones? |
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| 18:03 |
Megaf |
Gotta love mashed potatoes |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
at least the one I make |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
buttery mashed potatoes with whole milk |
| 18:04 |
LazyJ |
Try adding dab of mustard and some sliced mushrooms. |
| 18:05 |
Megaf |
potatoes cooked and mashed without peopling them, twice as flavorful |
| 18:06 |
Krock |
dab? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GRpJk1uERKA/maxresdefault.jpg |
| 18:06 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, I could try mustard yes, but not mushrooms |
| 18:07 |
paramat |
chat isn't important enough to create a a new thread for |
| 18:08 |
IhrFussel |
I disagree I find it very important to tell my players that they don't need to panic while the server is moving a big building |
| 18:08 |
IhrFussel |
Never worked with WE huh? It can take up to a minute for an action to finish |
| 18:09 |
Amaz |
paramat, if you're interested, I was able to write a function in lua which finds the ground level of the floatlands: https://github.com/Amaz1/floatland_spawn |
| 18:10 |
LazyJ |
Having command chat in a separate drop-down from the communication chat would help when doing intensive command use. |
| 18:10 |
Amaz |
Thanks for your help on how to implement it! :) |
| 18:10 |
paramat |
lua lag is far more irritating in many other processes than chat, 1-2 seconds of lag for a chat message is not much of a problem |
| 18:12 |
paramat |
if your server has regular lua lag of more than 2s then you need to solve that anyway |
| 18:12 |
paramat |
just warn your players before a WE action |
| 18:13 |
paramat |
Amaz wow well done |
| 18:14 |
IhrFussel |
There should be a way to send an "emergency message" during lag at least...to be able to tell players something important |
| 18:15 |
IhrFussel |
But not sure if there is a way to prioritize network packets |
| 18:16 |
Amaz |
Thanks :) |
| 18:16 |
paramat |
a minute for a WE process? that's either too big a process or a low power server, your own fault |
| 18:17 |
IhrFussel |
My server isn't even a creative one and my moderators still use WE a lot...now imagine how it would be on an actual creative server |
| 18:17 |
IhrFussel |
I don't think my server is slow when //set takes a few secs on 10 million nodes |
| 18:18 |
ThomasMonroe |
that's normal |
| 18:18 |
sfan5 |
what are you doing with WE? |
| 18:18 |
sfan5 |
//set uses vmanip so it's naturally fast |
| 18:18 |
paramat |
use a separate chat program to communicate to players then, it's not important enough to work on especially when it's for rare overly-slow servers |
| 18:18 |
IhrFussel |
Slow is //copy and //move |
| 18:19 |
paramat |
'few secs' ok but you said a minute |
| 18:19 |
IhrFussel |
If you use it on large projects |
| 18:20 |
IhrFussel |
The speed depends on the command you use..like I said //set and //replace are the fastest ... while //copy and //move are pretty slow... someone tried to move a 50x30x50 building and it froze the server for 2 minutes |
| 18:21 |
IhrFussel |
Since WE needs to set a new pos for each node it's that slow I guess |
| 18:21 |
paramat |
oh ok |
| 18:22 |
IhrFussel |
I don't know how fast vmanip is at setting new pos |
| 18:24 |
paramat |
still, if you use a slow mod, communicate with a separate program or warn before the process |
| 18:24 |
sfan5 |
copying call get_node + get_meta:to_table() + set_node + get_meta:from_table() for each node |
| 18:24 |
sfan5 |
bound to be slow |
| 18:25 |
IhrFussel |
I already implemented a "global message window" which is a formspec shown to all players when a moderator broadcasts one...but sometimes you forget to do that since you're human |
| 18:47 |
paramat |
too bad :] |
| 18:54 |
Shara |
I run a creative server, and my admin team members do use WE... But I've never felt a problem. |
| 18:55 |
Shara |
Big freeze ups usually only happen if someone did something kind of silly |
| 18:56 |
Shara |
You shouldn't be giving wordledit priv to people who don't understand how to avoid issues. |
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| 18:58 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, //copy and //move with a big building will always cause a huge lag, because of how they work (see sfan5's message) |
| 18:59 |
Shara |
Define "big" |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
62000^3 nodes |
| 18:59 |
Shara |
I don't really call a one off ten seconds lag big |
| 18:59 |
IhrFussel |
Actually not that big... I think it was 3 or 4 million nodes to be moved |
| 19:00 |
IhrFussel |
And took well over 2 minutes |
| 19:00 |
Shara |
And how often do you need to do something like that? |
| 19:00 |
Shara |
Something on that scale would be very rare on my server |
| 19:00 |
Shara |
People don't seem to see any need |
| 19:01 |
IhrFussel |
That was an extreme case exmple...of course most actions take a sec or less but it would still be nice to have a way to let players know what's going on...it would also help with non-WE mod caused lag |
| 19:02 |
paramat |
yes copy/move will inevitably be very slow due to get/set node/metadata, but anyway, it's important to warn beforehand not during |
| 19:02 |
Shara |
What paramat said |
| 19:03 |
sfan5 |
it would be better to just fix worldedit |
| 19:06 |
Shara |
Most of my long term players know to just check IRC if there is a problem as well. |
| 19:06 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, would it be possible to pause the WE action regularly and let the server continue for a moment to push all the messages? |
| 19:06 |
Shara |
Or the site for anything more long term |
| 19:06 |
sfan5 |
that's not how it would work but you can do something essentially like that |
| 19:06 |
sfan5 |
you would be dividing the whole action into several pieces |
| 19:07 |
LazyJ |
WorldEdit already asks if you are sure you want to proceed if a certain amount of nodes will be involved. Perhaps extend that message to a broadcast chat message warning of a major WE use soon. |
| 19:07 |
Shara |
If you add messages there, please optional. I don't want them. |
| 19:07 |
sfan5 |
no it's not worldedits job to tell players about the admins doings |
| 19:08 |
Shara |
Exactly |
| 19:08 |
paramat |
pausing WE actions for chat is a very bad idea. priorites |
| 19:08 |
Shara |
Don't give WE to people who don't understand when they should warn first. |
| 19:09 |
Shara |
And in general, on a busy server people shouldn't be using WE to the extent that it seriously disrupts gameplay for others anyway |
| 19:09 |
IhrFussel |
I guess I could realize LazyJ's idea first but not at 10,000 nodes since that wouldn't lag the server long enough |
| 19:11 |
LazyJ |
Whether or not players should be notified of events depends on the community of the server. |
| 19:11 |
LazyJ |
That is where more custom work on mods is needed so suit. |
| 19:13 |
Shara |
If a server is public and busy, regular freeze ups really shuld be avoided, orit's a good way to put players off. |
| 19:13 |
Shara |
or it's* |
| 19:22 |
IhrFussel |
if count > 100000 then minetest.chat_send_all("[Server]: !! "..name.." is about to modify lots of blocks with WorldEdit. The server might lag. !!") end ... directly below the 10,000 nodes warning should be good |
| 19:23 |
paramat |
good idea, do it. although it depends more on vmanip versus get/set node |
| 19:23 |
sfan5 |
it's still not worldedit's job |
| 19:25 |
IhrFussel |
It's WE's job to optimize the slow commands though |
| 19:25 |
IhrFussel |
But I think that would require engine changes |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
the fact that copying metadata needs to go through lua (via to_table & from_table) is unfortunate indeed |
| 19:27 |
paramat |
(i mean, Ihr can edit their own version of WE) |
| 19:27 |
IhrFussel |
Haha yeah I didn't plan to create a PR for the mod to merge |
| 19:29 |
IhrFussel |
And the message shouldn't bother my players too much...it's only 1 line per big action |
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| 19:39 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, the server lag is extra high right now cause of something I didn't find the cause for yet...usually it's between 1-2 secs (max_lag) |
| 19:44 |
Krock |
try sauth ? |
| 19:45 |
Krock |
depending on how huge it is, it may take some time to write to it |
| 19:54 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: i've already craeted an issue for WE (long ago) about dividing large projects into chunks to avoid OOM |
| 19:56 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, that would help with OOM errors indeed... so 2 good cases already |
| 19:58 |
paramat |
well, 1 good case :] |
| 20:04 |
IhrFussel |
Letting players chat in between large actions is a good case I'd say |
| 20:05 |
IhrFussel |
Or during* |
| 20:08 |
LazyJ |
What does "NPC" stand for? I get the impression it has something to do with mobs. |
| 20:08 |
rubenwardy |
non-playable character |
| 20:08 |
LazyJ |
Ah. Thanks, rubenwardy ;) |
| 20:19 |
Krock |
btw, IhrFussel I just noticed that it prints the timespan since the last login. "174 days ago" :3 |
| 20:19 |
Krock |
didn't expect that it was already this long |
| 20:20 |
IhrFussel |
Hehe... until recently it showed that only as hours...would've been a much bigger number then |
| 20:21 |
Calinou |
evening :) |
| 20:31 |
Krock |
evening, Calinou |
| 20:52 |
IhrFussel |
hi Calinou ... I just read #minetest log and someone mentioned that he's not a customer of their ISP... how is that possible? Illegal connection? |
| 20:56 |
rubenwardy |
ffs |
| 20:56 |
rubenwardy |
why the hell does minetest default to not run in place |
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| 20:58 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: only on linux, specifically to annoy developers |
| 20:59 |
rubenwardy |
really it should detect if it's running from /{usr|opt}/*/bin, then automatically do run in place then |
| 21:00 |
sfan5 |
huh? |
| 21:00 |
Krock |
what? It must be specified during compilation |
| 21:01 |
rubenwardy |
the issue is you basically have to recompile if you change that flag, when it should only effect main.cpp or smth |
| 21:01 |
Krock |
we use #if RUN_IN_PLACE in a few places |
| 21:01 |
Krock |
renderingengine, porting and main to be precise |
| 21:02 |
rubenwardy |
I'm aware |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
IhrFussel: using their neighbor's wifi? :D |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
or their parent pays for the ISP |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: run-in-place ought to be a minetest.conf setting IMO |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
*however*, how do you detect minetest.conf if you don't know whether it should run in place or not? ;) |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
this is why it's still a compile-time setting, I guess |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
Godot relies on a file named "._sc_" to know if it's run-in-place or not |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
(self-contained) |
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| 21:44 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, It didn't sound like "I'm using my neighbors connection" he only said he cannot use inbound connections |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
oh |
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| 22:09 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, I just made my server OS stop booting :P |
| 22:10 |
Megaf |
the one where Megaf Server is |
| 22:10 |
Megaf |
whoops? |
| 22:13 |
nore |
^ I'm not a user of my ISP either |
| 22:13 |
nore |
*customer |
| 22:14 |
nore |
(I'm using my school's connection; so the customer is my school and not me) |
| 22:20 |
LazyJ |
Megaf, you're supposed to use the keyboard, not actually kick it with a steel toed boot and a few whacks with a baseball bat. |
| 22:21 |
LazyJ |
Though the latter is much desired at times. :p |
| 22:22 |
Megaf |
Problem is the updated recplaced good old init with systemd |
| 22:22 |
Megaf |
and my host thingy doenst like systemd |
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| 22:22 |
Megaf |
I can chroot into the server tho, just internet is not working. If I could get the internet to work Id be able to fix that |
| 22:24 |
Megaf |
done, just got network :) |
| 22:30 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, done, OS back up and running |
| 22:30 |
Megaf |
years of experience really does matter# |
| 22:30 |
Megaf |
you just know how to solve some issues because you have encountered them before |
| 22:33 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/RnJClPgD0v.png |
| 22:33 |
rubenwardy |
wooo |
| 22:33 |
rubenwardy |
source code: https://github.com/rubenwardy/prometheus |
| 22:33 |
LazyJ |
When a baseball bat doesn't work, go for the 20 pound sledgehammer. After that, a large caliber pistol is satisfying. >:D |
| 22:33 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, lol |
| 22:34 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, well done |
| 22:34 |
Megaf |
at least for the aesthetics, let me check the code now |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
going to be adding graphs for stuff like kills per minute |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
and maybe score gained |
| 22:34 |
* Megaf |
approves the code |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
or maybe average score of players |
| 22:35 |
* Megaf |
wants to see that built in |
| 22:35 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 22:35 |
rubenwardy |
much better as a mod |
| 22:38 |
Megaf |
it could be one of the log levels |
| 22:38 |
Megaf |
it could be log leve g, for graph |
| 22:38 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, upgrading my server to -- *** Detected Git version 0.4.17-Megaf-41b7823 *** |
| 22:39 |
Megaf |
from 0.14 I think |
| 22:39 |
rubenwardy |
use git checkout v0.4.16 |
| 22:39 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, why no -b stable-0.4? |
| 22:39 |
rubenwardy |
don't use the stable branch, the tag is currently broken |
| 22:39 |
rubenwardy |
*the branch |
| 22:39 |
rubenwardy |
ask nerzhul |
| 22:39 |
Megaf |
nerzhul, can you please fix the branching ASAP? |
| 22:39 |
Megaf |
or just dont call it stable if not stable |
| 22:40 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6551 |
| 22:40 |
Megaf |
otherwise, lots of stupid people (me) will think it is stable because it's called stabler |
| 22:40 |
rubenwardy |
it's 0.4.16 but with a different name |
| 22:41 |
nerzhul |
if you want tag, checkout tag. branch is stable as it's just 0.4.16 + 0.4.17-dev tag |
| 22:41 |
Megaf |
but I want the latest and gratest and stablest 0.4 I can get |
| 22:42 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: HIP! |
| 22:42 |
rubenwardy |
a development version for a backport is still nonstable as it's not a release |
| 22:44 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, so, 0.4.16 for stability? |
| 22:44 |
rubenwardy |
the branch will currently give you a stable version, just the wrong version name |
| 22:45 |
LazyJ |
Now I'm confused. Isn't "Branch: stable-0.4" the stable branch and not the 0.5.0 version? |
| 22:45 |
rubenwardy |
it's currently the branch which will be used to hold development versions for the 0.4.17 release |
| 22:45 |
LazyJ |
"Master" is the 0.5.0 branch, correct? |
| 22:45 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 22:45 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, we should just find other game to manage servers of, Minetest it's too messy |
| 22:46 |
Megaf |
Not worth the pain |
| 22:46 |
LazyJ |
A checkers server would be about my speed. |
| 22:46 |
Megaf |
even less the money |
| 22:46 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
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| 22:47 |
Megaf |
the only thing, well, two things that keep my server running, is that I started hosting my own site in the same server, so I have to pay for it anyway. And my two Patreons |
| 22:47 |
LazyJ |
A checkers server, hosted in a barbershop, that serves coffee, and old duffers like me sit around all day telling stories and lies. :) |
| 22:47 |
Shara |
LazyJ: Will you serve tea? |
| 22:47 |
LazyJ |
Tea? Wazat? |
| 22:47 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, and biscuits |
| 22:47 |
Shara |
I might stop by fo r agame or too if you do, but otherwise.... no deal :P |
| 22:47 |
LazyJ |
Donuts! |
| 22:48 |
Shara |
Biscuits and doughnuts?! |
| 22:48 |
Megaf |
minetest mt:/run/shm/SourceMegafServer$ git checkout v0.4.16 |
| 22:48 |
Megaf |
error: pathspec 'v0.4.16' did not match any file(s) known to git. |
| 22:48 |
* Megaf |
slaps rubenwardy |
| 22:48 |
rubenwardy |
hmmm |
| 22:48 |
rubenwardy |
maybe 0.4.16 |
| 22:48 |
rubenwardy |
which would be a silly nonstandard tag |
| 22:48 |
LazyJ |
Straight razor shaves, shaving mugs on a shelf with patrons' names on them, newspapers and magazines. |
| 22:48 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, mt has no standards |
| 22:49 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 22:49 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, lol |
| 22:49 |
rubenwardy |
Megaf for head of quality control! |
| 22:49 |
Calinou |
Minetest Engineering Task Force |
| 22:49 |
rubenwardy |
well, that would be a position for Fixer |
| 22:49 |
rubenwardy |
Head of breaking things |
| 22:49 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 22:49 |
Megaf |
hah |
| 22:49 |
Calinou |
oh, I promose Minetest Engineering Task Head |
| 22:49 |
Calinou |
= METH |
| 22:49 |
* Calinou |
hides |
| 22:49 |
Shara |
He's more like head of finding broken things |
| 22:49 |
Calinou |
propose* |
| 22:50 |
rubenwardy |
that's better wording |
| 22:50 |
LazyJ |
The head of quality control fires all the staff, shutters the door, liquidates the company assets - all two gum wrappers and cat-eye marble. |
| 22:50 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: Wuzzy |
| 22:51 |
* Megaf |
reverts its workflow to using -b stable-0.4 |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
its?? |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
you're a thing? |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
robot! |
| 22:52 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: you have my vote :PP |
| 22:52 |
LazyJ |
Standards, direction, plan... all hashed over and over. rubenwardy, any input, ideas, or inspiration from the recent gathering in Bristol? |
| 22:52 |
LazyJ |
Shara too. |
| 22:53 |
LazyJ |
Other than KDE and a hole in the wall. |
| 22:53 |
benrob0329 |
Matrix bridging :P |
| 22:53 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, hah |
| 22:53 |
rubenwardy |
I asked a freenode staff member what they thought about matrix XD |
| 22:54 |
rubenwardy |
awkward silence ensued |
| 22:54 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, oh no |
| 22:54 |
rubenwardy |
mostly joking |
| 22:54 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, by the way, I commented on the issue about your PR about naming |
| 22:54 |
Megaf |
#6551 |
| 22:55 |
Megaf |
nerzhul, ^ |
| 22:55 |
LazyJ |
What's the criteria for membership, again, for this channel? |
| 22:55 |
rubenwardy |
they said on principal it was a good idea, just badly executed, bad technically, and badly maintained (pretends to be a friendly FOSS project) |
| 22:55 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, you have to be friend of someone important |
| 22:55 |
LazyJ |
I know of a new server-op but they may be too new. |
| 22:56 |
LazyJ |
Megaf, they let me in so the standards can't be too high. :)- |
| 22:56 |
Megaf |
hah |
| 22:56 |
Megaf |
well, we are old school |
| 22:57 |
Megaf |
we have MT servers for what, 5 or 6 years? |
| 22:57 |
* LazyJ |
stands and hears the popcorn of his joints. |
| 22:57 |
Megaf |
oh boy |
| 22:57 |
LazyJ |
Almost as long as VanessaE's servers. |
| 22:57 |
Megaf |
I think I started to very long after you |
| 22:57 |
rubenwardy |
How old is my server if it was offline for a year? |
| 22:57 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 22:57 |
Megaf |
not very* |
| 22:58 |
LazyJ |
TBS - Tired Butt Syndrome. Been sitting too long (and in need of a refrigerator raid), |
| 22:58 |
Megaf |
I have no idea how people manage to read or understand me on IRC... I just swap words, letters and change order of things all the time |
| 22:58 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, I'm here cogitating wheter I should eat yet another slice of bread with butter or not |
| 22:59 |
Megaf |
Homemade bread made by me :) |
| 22:59 |
* rubenwardy |
started Jan 2012 |
| 23:00 |
Natechip |
Megaf |
| 23:00 |
Natechip |
buster is noice |
| 23:00 |
Megaf |
I started in 2012 too, not sure the month |
| 23:00 |
rubenwardy |
still after lots of people though |
| 23:00 |
Megaf |
Natechip, I just upgraded my MT server to Buster |
| 23:00 |
Natechip |
rubenwardy: you should check out Electron |
| 23:00 |
Megaf |
I think mine was around March |
| 23:00 |
rubenwardy |
ewww |
| 23:01 |
Natechip |
ruben: whats wrong with Electron |
| 23:01 |
benrob0329 |
everything |
| 23:01 |
rubenwardy |
HTML and Javascript UIs |
| 23:01 |
rubenwardy |
I use a few electron apps |
| 23:01 |
LazyJ |
Wazuland was started by Orby in August, 2012. Then he started Wazuland2 in April 2013. Wazuland2 gradually became known as LinuxGaming because of the forum and clan name Orby chose. |
| 23:02 |
Natechip |
worked for atom :) |
| 23:02 |
rubenwardy |
but I'd rather learn QT |
| 23:02 |
rubenwardy |
Lots of sites use PHP, doesn't make it good |
| 23:02 |
LazyJ |
Miner_48er became admins in Wazuland in November 2012. By fall of 2013 we were the only ones taking care of things. Orby had faded out. |
| 23:02 |
Natechip |
ok |
| 23:02 |
benrob0329 |
nucklear looks nice :-) |
| 23:03 |
benrob0329 |
https://github.com/vurtun/nuklear |
| 23:04 |
Shara |
LazyJ: Just use your judgement. If they seem to be making a serious effort at a server which looks like it might stick around, they're more than welcome. |
| 23:04 |
Megaf |
That's my handmade bread by the way https://imgur.com/a/mS67L |
| 23:05 |
Shara |
Generally as long as someone has or is trying to contribute in some way, they can join. |
| 23:05 |
LazyJ |
Back to the invites to this channel - greeter is the server-op of Ravenchat Survival and Wazubaba is an admin from the old days of the Wazuclan and Wazuland. |
| 23:05 |
LazyJ |
Is it OK to invite them to here? |
| 23:05 |
Shara |
Sounds fine to me |
| 23:05 |
Fixer |
hmm |
| 23:06 |
Shara |
Just about to head off for a bit, but leave me a message if they need auto-voice here |
| 23:06 |
Megaf |
<benrob0329> nucklear looks nice :-) |
| 23:06 |
Megaf |
<benrob0329> https://github.com/vurtun/nuklear |
| 23:06 |
Megaf |
Was expectinc a nuclear bomb mod for MT |
| 23:06 |
Megaf |
disapointed |
| 23:06 |
benrob0329 |
heh |
| 23:06 |
Megaf |
was already imagining the mushroom cloud |
| 23:06 |
benrob0329 |
that does exist :^) |
| 23:06 |
rubenwardy |
Megaf, looks very nice |
| 23:06 |
rubenwardy |
reminded me I should go make food |
| 23:09 |
Megaf |
thanks rubenwardy |
| 23:09 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, link |
| 23:09 |
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| 23:09 |
* Megaf |
will brb, gonna grab some bread with butter |
| 23:09 |
* Megaf |
greets greeter |
| 23:09 |
Megaf |
greetception |
| 23:09 |
benrob0329 |
hello greeter |
| 23:10 |
LazyJ |
I told them both to PM Shara for voice. |
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| 23:10 |
LazyJ |
greeter said he's juggling a few things atm. |
| 23:12 |
Megaf |
lol, greeters IPv6! |
| 23:13 |
Megaf |
* greeter (fresh2604:180:2:117:cafe:babe:dead:beef) has joined |
| 23:13 |
LazyJ |
And Canadian. |
| 23:13 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: i remember a thread about that on reddit |
| 23:14 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: but how many projects actually use it? |
| 23:14 |
benrob0329 |
dunno, not nearly enough :D |
| 23:15 |
Natechip |
rubenwardy, what about Ionic |
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| 23:31 |
Wazubaba |
thanks |
| 23:31 |
paramat |
welcome to both |
| 23:31 |
benrob0329 |
hello Wazubaba |
| 23:31 |
Wazubaba |
hi |
| 23:33 |
greeter |
thank you kindly paramat |
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| 23:45 |
Megaf |
minetestmt:~/MegafServer/BinMegafServer$ bin/minetestserver --terminal |
| 23:45 |
Megaf |
Segmentation fault |
| 23:45 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 23:45 |
Megaf |
I think I will stick to my old trusty 0.4.14... |
| 23:46 |
greeter |
gotta go with what works |
| 23:47 |
LazyJ |
Megaf, iirc, 0.4.16 needs a newer compiler than what is in the repositories. |
| 23:47 |
LazyJ |
Debian in particular. |
| 23:47 |
benrob0329 |
gcc 7 ftw |
| 23:48 |
rubenwardy |
Megaf, works fine for me |
| 23:48 |
rubenwardy |
fancy attaching to gdb? |
| 23:50 |
Megaf |
LazyJ, dont even try to begin blaming my system... |
| 23:50 |
Megaf |
I already had enough of that from some stupid MT devs |
| 23:50 |
rubenwardy |
"works fine for me" |
| 23:50 |
Megaf |
gcc version 7.2.1 20171025 (Debian 7.2.0-12) |
| 23:50 |
rubenwardy |
"must be your system" |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
https://stephenhaunts.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/top20replies.jpg |
| 23:51 |
Megaf |
If that's too old for MT then just f*** MT and I'm outtahere |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
if you can run gcc 7 then it's fine |
| 23:52 |
Megaf |
and using built in json and gmp |
| 23:52 |
Megaf |
will try to use gdb |
| 23:53 |
LazyJ |
Megaf, I'm not blaming your system; just relaying a re-occurring problem with 0.4.16. |
| 23:53 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/045.jpg |
| 23:53 |
Calinou |
this quite follows your top 20 replies :P |
| 23:53 |
Megaf |
"/home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/minetestserver": not in executable format: File truncated |
| 23:54 |
Megaf |
seems like I ran out of space when compiling it and it corrupted the bin |
| 23:54 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 23:54 |
rubenwardy |
oops |
| 23:55 |
Megaf |
see? Nothing to do with the system |
| 23:55 |
Megaf |
just the huge bloated MT |
| 23:55 |
Calinou |
we need hard drives which expand themselves as they run out of space |
| 23:55 |
Calinou |
Elon Musk, do it pls |
| 23:55 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 23:56 |
Shara |
Wazubaba: Not sure if your name is registered. But if so please identify and let me know, so I can add you to auto-voice |
| 23:56 |
rubenwardy |
no, it is your system. Not enough hard drive space |
| 23:56 |
rubenwardy |
and 8MB is not that big |
| 23:56 |
Calinou |
Shara: /whois Wazubaba |
| 23:57 |
Calinou |
you can see if they're logged into NickServ this way |
| 23:57 |
Wazubaba |
Shara: I thought it was, but it might have gotten lost at some point with random freenode stupidity, one sec |
| 23:57 |
Calinou |
the answer is "no", here :P |
| 23:57 |
Shara |
Calinou: Had already checked |
| 23:57 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, just interesting that the compiling completed... |
| 23:57 |
Shara |
But they could always have anotehr name registered |
| 23:57 |
Shara |
another* |
| 23:59 |
benrob0329 |
Matrix doesnt have this problem :P |
| 23:59 |
* benrob0329 |
hides |
