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| 00:04 |
IhrFussel |
Am I Nostradamus or what? 2017-12-29 01:02:07: ACTION[Server]: AVG LAG: 0.667 ... MAX LAG: 46.650 |
| 00:11 |
benrob0329 |
https://gist.github.com/benrob0329/6550fb3106ff8d8caf6dee717b66dd09 |
| 00:11 |
benrob0329 |
this gives a stackoverflow :-/ |
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| 00:12 |
benrob0329 |
even if I set the time in minetest.after to something big like 10 (which shouldn't add anything to the stack until 10 seconds later) it instantly fills the que |
| 00:17 |
paramat |
ah |
| 00:17 |
paramat |
when working with self-calling 'afters' i once had a stack overflow |
| 00:17 |
paramat |
something to do with it calling itself |
| 00:18 |
paramat |
there is a way around this, can't remember though |
| 00:19 |
paramat |
how about 'minetest.after(0.86, demat, self, i)'? not sure you need arguments repeated in brackets |
| 00:20 |
benrob0329 |
paramat: that did it, thanks |
| 00:32 |
Jordach |
lul |
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| 00:58 |
Megaf |
but well, I don't really care... I secured my fork already, locally. I can build my clients, my server will continue. |
| 01:19 |
IhrFussel |
Did you guys change something in the item drop code?? I can no longer drop just one item of a stack with shift+Q in 0.4.17 |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
confirmed ^ |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
very annoying |
| 01:27 |
Megaf |
emergeblcoks still running here :P |
| 01:27 |
Megaf |
29% now |
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| 01:55 |
xerox123_ |
Is someone willing to give me an unbiased opinion? |
| 01:58 |
sofar |
willing yes, capable? maybe |
| 01:59 |
Shara |
xerox123: for what? |
| 02:00 |
xerox123_ |
I'll PM you it |
| 02:02 |
xerox123_ |
I don't wanna start an argument in here |
| 02:02 |
sofar |
well, feel free to PM me, or not. |
| 02:04 |
sofar |
afk some |
| 02:06 |
Megaf |
xerox123_: hah, PM me to. I gotta see that |
| 02:09 |
VanessaE |
now you've got me wondering |
| 02:09 |
* Sokomine |
is curious as well |
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| 02:10 |
Sokomine |
xerox123_: you might as well just ask publicyl and collect opinions :-) |
| 02:10 |
xerox123_ |
Okie |
| 02:11 |
xerox123_ |
Background: Me and someone had an arguement on my IRC network. Statement: requiring a valid E-Mail to register NickServ is too much personal information and must be clearly stated in the ToS |
| 02:11 |
Megaf |
[00:08:51] <Megaf> disagree on too much personal information |
| 02:11 |
Megaf |
[00:08:59] <Megaf> agree on stated in the ToS |
| 02:11 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 02:13 |
* benrob0329 |
works on tardis mod |
| 02:13 |
Megaf |
another? |
| 02:13 |
benrob0329 |
this fading effect actually looks pretty good |
| 02:13 |
benrob0329 |
same one |
| 02:13 |
Megaf |
just improve Travelnets... |
| 02:13 |
benrob0329 |
travelnet ~= tardis |
| 02:14 |
Sokomine |
well, almost tardis :-) |
| 02:14 |
Sokomine |
paint it blue... |
| 02:15 |
xerox123_ |
Right, I blacklist disposable mail which is what I didn't mention |
| 02:15 |
Sokomine |
and the buerocracy behind the company that operated the old yellow boths might as well amount for some additioanal space |
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| 02:35 |
Sokomine |
xerox123_: maybe you can make an exception for this one person. after all blacklisting disposable mail is usually a way of spam protection. if he's proven to you that he's a real person and has invested time to convince you - that ought to be enough |
| 02:36 |
Sokomine |
megaf: how shall travelnets be improved? the current version (which i havn't announced yet due to some more changes regarding what sofar posted) is hopefully pretty good |
| 02:37 |
Megaf |
well, I'm not sure. The thing I'm unhappy with for now is the short number of travelents we can add to a network |
| 02:37 |
Megaf |
in my server I have Public and Public2 already for example. |
| 02:38 |
Megaf |
Also, a way of adding people to a list of people who can add travelents would be good |
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| 02:49 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: each network can have up to 24 stations. there's simply no more room for more. it would get difficult to read |
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| 02:49 |
Sokomine |
most people install hubs if they need more stations |
| 02:50 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: you can globaly if you grant them travelnet_attach |
| 02:50 |
Megaf |
I know that :) |
| 02:50 |
Megaf |
and we do have a hub |
| 02:50 |
Megaf |
called Travelnet Hub |
| 02:50 |
Megaf |
[00:49:39] <Sokomine> Megaf: each network can have up to 24 stations. there's simply no more room for more. it would get difficult to read |
| 02:50 |
Megaf |
I udnerstand |
| 02:51 |
xerox123_ |
Add pages? |
| 03:17 |
Sokomine |
pages would in theory be possible. but would they really help? makes it more complicated for users |
| 03:24 |
xerox123_ |
To press a button that says [2] shouldn't be too hard for anyone |
| 03:25 |
xerox123_ |
Unless there's a perspective to modding that I don't know since I don't mod |
| 03:26 |
Sokomine |
i've had complaints from users not managing to set up travelnets...i don't expect too much anymore :/ |
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| 03:31 |
xerox123_ |
Ah ok |
| 03:33 |
ThomasMonroe |
hi xerox123_ |
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| 03:35 |
xerox123_ |
Hi tre |
| 04:05 |
ThomasMonroe |
Night all |
| 05:15 |
* Megaf |
grabs a banana |
| 05:15 |
* Megaf |
eats a banana while siping his wine |
| 05:16 |
Megaf |
(too quiet here) |
| 05:28 |
* benrob0329 |
programs light-node-swapping code |
| 05:30 |
Megaf |
I should have been in bed for 5 hours now, at least |
| 05:30 |
Megaf |
I have to "wake up" in 30 minutes :) |
| 05:30 |
Megaf |
I'm not going to sleep today |
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| 05:51 |
Megaf |
WB compunerd |
| 06:04 |
Megaf |
Cya folks |
| 06:18 |
* benrob0329 |
goes to bed, I'll work on the light glow and dust particles tomorrow |
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| 12:20 |
IhrFussel |
The support is extremely slow =/ But I'm expecting a bad answer anyway...like "sorry we cannot help you with the lag" |
| 12:25 |
IhrFussel |
Got a reply now "You say you experience regular server lags and I opened a ticket for you" Great, more waiting |
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| 13:05 |
CBugDCoder |
hi Aerozoic |
| 13:05 |
Aerozoic |
hey CBugDCoder |
| 13:07 |
Aerozoic |
hi sofar, regarding my question about your remote media server, your answer seems to describe what happens for a missing texture but what i'm wondering about is if i modify an existing texture (same file name) does it somehow know not to send the unmodified texture? |
| 13:08 |
sfan5 |
the remote media feature works based on file hashes |
| 13:08 |
sfan5 |
so the client will download the modified texture from your server |
| 13:10 |
Aerozoic |
cool thx. I'll give it a try |
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| 15:25 |
benrob0329 |
Good news, Minetest can handle texture changes at 100fps |
| 15:28 |
benrob0329 |
Bad news, I made a fading effect that changes texture at 100fps |
| 15:30 |
Krock |
good news: it doesn't matter because the game now runs with 2 FPS anyway |
| 15:34 |
Megaf |
Hi all |
| 15:34 |
Megaf |
Hows things? |
| 15:36 |
benrob0329 |
Krock: nah, handles it quite well off a local server. |
| 15:36 |
benrob0329 |
Hi Megaf |
| 15:37 |
Megaf |
I will be back later |
| 15:37 |
benrob0329 |
But I'm going to cut it down to ~50 fps |
| 15:38 |
benrob0329 |
Its done in a minetest.after loop so I busy have to change that |
| 15:38 |
benrob0329 |
*just, screw soft keyboards |
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| 15:52 |
Jordach |
coke and jager |
| 15:52 |
Jordach |
mmmmmm |
| 15:52 |
Jordach |
(even jager on it's own is mmmmmm worthy) |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: 100 FPS animated textures make no sense :P |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
anything above 60 really doesn't |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
and 30 FPS would have been enough if there was support for linear interpolation |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
(fairly easy to do, just fade between images) |
| 16:07 |
jas_ |
moxie and jagermeister |
| 16:08 |
jas_ |
(the two tastes cancel each other out.) |
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| 16:17 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: no, which is why I'mma change the timing |
| 16:19 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: if we had linier interpolation a lot of things would look better |
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| 16:41 |
benrob0329 |
after the fade is called once, it looses the delay ??? |
| 16:41 |
benrob0329 |
like, first time the timing it fine, second it goes as fast as possible |
| 16:42 |
benrob0329 |
wth |
| 16:51 |
benrob0329 |
does the client build a cache of texture modifiers? |
| 17:01 |
xerox123 |
can I git clone master, then checkout stable-0.4 and pull all the differences so now I have stable-0.4 instead of master? |
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| 17:11 |
Calinou |
xerox123: yes, you don't need to do "git pull" afterwards as all branches are fetched |
| 17:11 |
Calinou |
so you can even switch without an Internet connection available |
| 17:12 |
xerox123 |
ok, thanks |
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| 17:49 |
* Aerozoic |
wonders why worldedit has spheres and pyramids but no cubes? |
| 17:55 |
Shara |
Just select two points and do //set ? |
| 18:20 |
Aerozoic |
oh yeah, i was thinking about hollow cubes and squares :) |
| 18:21 |
Aerozoic |
I guess i could work with expand and contract. Just takes more effort. |
| 18:23 |
Shara |
I rarely use the set shapes since I find you end up with very basic buildings that lack features that way |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
PLACE EVERY BLOCK BY HAND |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
</sarcasm> |
| 18:30 |
* Shara |
pokes Jordach with a cat |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
https://jordach.net/images/dfxbqtmrbtvhduxwuv.jpg |
| 18:31 |
Shara |
:) |
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Sokomine |
why do i so often type seriialize and wonder why it doesn't work? :/ |
| 18:54 |
* Sokomine |
grabs sharas cat and confiscates it for further use |
| 18:55 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: did you remember to top off the kitten generator? |
| 18:58 |
Sokomine |
VanessaE: oh...er...i'm afraid i kept that running.... |
| 18:58 |
Sokomine |
might get a pretty crowded world now :-) |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 18:58 |
Shara |
Sokomine! |
| 18:58 |
Sokomine |
hopefully there'll be some cows in the world so that the kittens will get milk... |
| 18:58 |
Sokomine |
and...er...please don't step on a kitten. thanks! |
| 19:00 |
* VanessaE |
picks up the strays and puts them in Sokomine's pile |
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| 19:01 |
* Sokomine |
looks a bit guilty because she's used up all the kittens in the generator for one world |
| 19:03 |
IhrFussel |
Are dropped items supposed to float mid-air for a bit before they slowly fall to the ground? |
| 19:04 |
Shara |
Not that I ever saw |
| 19:05 |
IhrFussel |
Did you try it in 0.5.0-dev? |
| 19:05 |
Shara |
Not specifically, but have run about in it and never noticed it |
| 19:05 |
IhrFussel |
Now a dropped item fell through a solid node |
| 19:07 |
IhrFussel |
Looks like item entities stuck in nodes now slowly move upwards (or was that always the case?) |
| 19:07 |
Shara |
Don't think it was. |
| 19:07 |
Shara |
I seem to remember there being an issue about items getting stuck behind things, so maybe that was a fix for it? |
| 19:09 |
Sokomine |
i did see dropped items floating for a while and behaving strangely. in very old versions of mt they even managed to sink through the floor. i'm generally suspicious of mods like item_drop or mods that let items move with water etc. - just adds server lag and nothing really to the gameplay imho |
| 19:09 |
CWz |
langugetool now has a proversion i just hope that they didn't remove checks and made them paid |
| 19:09 |
IhrFussel |
Yeah it's a nice feature if intended, but if I drop an item while looking straight forward the item floats mid-air for a sec before it "flies" down |
| 19:10 |
Shara |
FLoating items sounds bad really |
| 19:11 |
IhrFussel |
The dropped items either float or sink into ground before they slowly come up again |
| 19:12 |
Shara |
Checking on my most recent 0.5 client and I don't see that. Things fall as expected. |
| 19:12 |
IhrFussel |
But I may just have an oudated client...one sec will recompile |
| 19:12 |
Shara |
But this isn't fully up to date |
| 19:18 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: as long as they come back up again... |
| 19:22 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, they do (at least in the build I tried, will test in newest build in a few minutes) BUT they take a few secs |
| 19:23 |
benrob0329 |
ack, why is this texture the one for an unknown node |
| 19:23 |
benrob0329 |
no error message either |
| 19:25 |
Amaz |
benrob, did you use tiles = "texturename.png" rather than tiles = {"texturename.png"}? That's happened to me too many times... |
| 19:26 |
benrob0329 |
you supposedly can do either, but both do the same thing |
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| 19:30 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, no it still happens |
| 19:30 |
IhrFussel |
You have to look slightly up and then drop to see them floating |
| 19:33 |
IhrFussel |
Or look straight down while dropping the item ... it will float for at least 3 secs |
| 19:34 |
IhrFussel |
And it also still falls through solid nodes sometimes |
| 19:35 |
IhrFussel |
The time it takes to come up again is pretty long I'd say... Many players would already have dug the solid node instead of waiting 5-10 sec |
| 19:39 |
Shara |
Then it must have been changed fairly recently. |
| 19:39 |
Shara |
I'm not willing to spend an eternity to compile current dev on this machine though |
| 19:40 |
benrob0329 |
wait, we have to program gravity with on_step? |
| 19:41 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, when's your build from? My older build is from Oct I think (when nrz needed testers for ASIO) |
| 19:41 |
Shara |
Sorry Fussel, but my focus is on other things |
| 19:41 |
IhrFussel |
I just want to know when you compiled yours to check if it was earlier than my ASIO one (Oct) |
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| 19:43 |
Shara |
I didn't compile it. It's one of sfan's builds |
| 19:43 |
Shara |
Compiling on this machine takes hours and I can't set up my laptop right now. |
| 19:48 |
IhrFussel |
Ok need to restart |
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| 19:57 |
IhrFussel |
GIF of the behavior (16 MB) http://85.214.239.123/mt.gif |
| 19:59 |
Shara |
Fussel, make an issue? |
| 20:03 |
IhrFussel |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6856 |
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IhrFussel |
paramat, I am on latest commit and run no mods AFAIK...will test with a new world though one sec |
| 20:55 |
paramat |
ok will try latest commit |
| 20:55 |
IhrFussel |
It happens in a new world with minimal and no external mods |
| 20:56 |
IhrFussel |
It also happened in a build from Oct though (ASIO) |
| 20:57 |
IhrFussel |
paramat, did you look down while dropping the item/stack? That's the most reliable way to reproduce the floating |
| 20:58 |
paramat |
straight down or a downward angle? |
| 20:59 |
IhrFussel |
Straight down ... the falling through nodes happens more often when I walk backwards while throwing it a bit upwards |
| 21:01 |
IhrFussel |
The falling through nodes seems to happen only when I look down right after I dropped the item else it slowly floats to the ground |
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paramat |
non reproducti |
| 21:07 |
IhrFussel |
How can that be? 4e652ea is the newest commit or not? |
| 21:08 |
IhrFussel |
I enabled all shaders for testing but doesn't make a difference |
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| 21:22 |
IhrFussel |
Could it be an OpenGL bug? |
| 21:22 |
IhrFussel |
I use 2.1 |
| 21:30 |
benrob0329 |
>makes nice fog glow texture for light |
| 21:30 |
benrob0329 |
>transparency sorting ruins it with plantlike drawtype |
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| 21:31 |
benrob0329 |
>nodes cant be sprites |
| 21:31 |
Calinou |
don't let your memes be sprites |
| 21:32 |
benrob0329 |
My memes work best as a sprite :^) |
| 21:33 |
benrob0329 |
The problem is that this needs to be visible from all angles, while only being one layer thick because we dont have a z-buffer |
| 21:35 |
IhrFussel |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6856#issuecomment-354503132 |
| 21:36 |
benrob0329 |
I could dither the texture and spawn an entity |
| 21:39 |
Krock |
Spotted chickens that run debian: https://imgur.com/gallery/HqTySJ3 |
| 21:39 |
Krock |
^ offtopic |
| 21:40 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, why does minetest still look for the conf in /usr/local/share although I didn't install it? |
| 21:40 |
Krock |
because it's RUN_IN_PLACE=0 |
| 21:41 |
IhrFussel |
Okay thanks, should remember that then |
| 21:53 |
IhrFussel |
Anyone a clue why shift+Q doesn't work in 0.4.17? It drops the whole stack versus just 1 |
| 21:54 |
Krock |
compatibility breakage |
| 21:54 |
Krock |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ad9677a14fb8ad1b4048e83a779e5ad36a99f2d0#diff-83bb4564c6fbf230569bdeb2becc32b9 |
| 21:54 |
IhrFussel |
But I chose the backport branch |
| 21:54 |
Krock |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6242 |
| 21:55 |
Krock |
is it also not possible by using server+client both with version 0.4.16? |
| 21:56 |
Krock |
s/16/17/ |
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| 21:57 |
Fixer |
Calinou: finished doom since 90s, playing doom ii |
| 21:57 |
IhrFussel |
It works in 0.4.16, it broke when I switched server version to 0.4.17 |
| 21:57 |
IhrFussel |
I should test that...but then there is breakage between 0.4.16 an 0.4.17? |
| 21:58 |
Krock |
I think it's like the player model change, where side effects may happen |
| 21:59 |
Wayward_One |
iirc, i thought 0.4.17 was supposed to omit breaking changes like that |
| 22:00 |
Wayward_One |
(hi all btw :P) |
| 22:00 |
paramat |
sneak-drop works for me in 0.5dev |
| 22:01 |
IhrFussel |
It works in 0.5.0 but not between 0.4.16 client and 0.4.17 server |
| 22:02 |
IhrFussel |
Cause (I think) server side check has been moved to client and 0.4.16 doesn't know about that check |
| 22:03 |
IhrFussel |
Wayward_One, I fully agree 0.4.X wasn't supposed to break in any way |
| 22:03 |
sfan5 |
that commit should probably not be in the backports branch then |
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Fixer |
!tell Krock lool |
| 23:24 |
MinetestBot |
Fixer: I'll pass that on when Krock is around |
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