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sofar |
anyway, it's all posted now, people can check out the code and whatnot |
| 00:23 |
sofar |
taking a break |
| 00:34 |
* Megaf_ |
breaks sofar s break |
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* rubenwardy |
gives sofar a kit kat |
| 00:35 |
Megaf |
hah, good one |
| 00:35 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 00:35 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server V4.17 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 13ms |
| 00:35 |
Megaf |
0 clients! |
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Megaf |
back in the day it was very complicated doing maintenance in my server, having to ask for people to leave |
| 00:36 |
Megaf |
now a days is so easy... |
| 00:36 |
Megaf |
I just shut it down |
| 00:36 |
Megaf |
Aello: hello guy from Matrix |
| 00:36 |
rubenwardy |
there's like no info about megaf there |
| 00:36 |
rubenwardy |
fake news |
| 00:37 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: I don't get it, where did that come from? |
| 00:37 |
rubenwardy |
I have /ctf_queue_restart for that, causes the server to start at the end of a round |
| 00:37 |
rubenwardy |
mt.megaf.info:30003 -> megaf.info |
| 00:37 |
Megaf |
LMAO |
| 00:38 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: you might want to try https://megafs.wordpress.com thats the "English version" |
| 00:39 |
rubenwardy |
that infographic is horribly stretched |
| 00:40 |
Megaf |
wordpress fault |
| 00:40 |
Megaf |
when I posted it was fine |
| 00:41 |
Megaf |
I quite like this tutorial I wrote for that blog https://megafs.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/understanding-the-linux-permissions-and-chmod/ |
| 00:41 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 00:41 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Understanding the Linux permissions and chmod. | Megaf Info |
| 00:45 |
Megaf |
though my English was not that good |
| 00:49 |
sofar |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PWu3BRxn60 |
| 00:50 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 00:50 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: ZUMA Mission - YouTube |
| 00:50 |
* Megaf |
clicks |
| 00:51 |
paramat |
me too |
| 00:52 |
Megaf |
Its a live trnasmission for a nice ressuply mission to the ISS |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
and they will land the rocket |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
or try ti |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
to |
| 00:53 |
paramat |
it's a top secret payload |
| 00:55 |
Megaf |
it might explode on launch |
| 00:56 |
Megaf |
space.com website really sucks |
| 01:00 |
Megaf |
oh boy |
| 01:00 |
Megaf |
there it goes |
| 01:09 |
sofar |
no iss mission |
| 01:09 |
sofar |
zuma == sekret |
| 01:10 |
paramat |
\O/ |
| 01:21 |
Wayward_One |
that launch was great, but the landing was so much better :D |
| 01:22 |
Wayward_One |
the way the booster lit up the clouds on it's way down was just beautiful |
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Megaf |
sofar: they might go to the ISS and you will never know |
| 01:25 |
Megaf |
I'm the only one who knows |
| 01:26 |
* Megaf |
waits for the federal agents to know at my door, in t -70 seconds |
| 01:26 |
Megaf |
xP |
| 01:28 |
Megaf |
well, I'm still here |
| 01:28 |
Megaf |
this might take longer than I was expecting |
| 01:29 |
Megaf |
landing of the rocket in case yu missed https://youtu.be/0PWu3BRxn60?t=1635 |
| 01:29 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 01:29 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: ZUMA Mission - YouTube |
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tumeninodes |
Nice parking job. |
| 03:29 |
tumeninodes |
I think the speed monitor was the rate at which Elon's portfolio and wallet grew |
| 03:29 |
benrob0329 |
G'night, irc really takes a toll on my battery so I'mma mostly be on here from my laptop/desktop. |
| 03:30 |
tumeninodes |
night benrob |
| 03:38 |
tumeninodes |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mleQVO1Vd1I so much is wrong and sad about this video, I don't know where to begin. I which I had the means to adopt the boy Emanual at the beginning, and give him a real childhood :'( |
| 03:38 |
tumeninodes |
sorry for so off-topic |
| 04:07 |
Lord_Buckethead |
hi tumeninodes |
| 04:12 |
tumeninodes |
hi blue :P |
| 04:12 |
Lord_Buckethead |
oh noes, my secrect identity is known |
| 04:13 |
tumeninodes |
muahahaha |
| 04:13 |
tumeninodes |
your base are all belong to us |
| 04:16 |
tumeninodes |
so yet another day, I intended to fix some issues with some of my mods... and I accomplished... nothing |
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Lord_Buckethead |
how DMCA'd freeminer anyways? I did proller mention it? |
| 05:25 |
Lord_Buckethead |
who* |
| 05:26 |
Hijiri |
what is a mese filter/injector supposed to do when in rotation mode? |
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Lord_Buckethead |
hi nerzhul |
| 06:17 |
nerzhul |
hi |
| 07:06 |
jas_ |
hi |
| 07:20 |
jas_ |
fine, i didn't want to play minetest anyway! haha, bbfn |
| 07:21 |
Lord_Buckethead |
thats midly confusing |
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Megaf |
Greetings |
| 13:10 |
Megaf |
so, here I am, having my coffee, in this mug https://i.ebayimg.com/images/a/T2eC16Z,!zEE9s3!YboFBQ5PTkjp9w~~/s-l300.jpg |
| 13:10 |
Megaf |
and they I read it. |
| 13:10 |
Megaf |
Now I feel sad |
| 13:18 |
shivajiva |
meh you should keep in mind most successful businesses are run by people who went bankrupt at some point to avoid their debts. |
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IhrFussel |
Hello guys...is it normal that my root server already uses swap even though the memory usage is below 15% ? |
| 13:34 |
Mr_Pardison |
depends on your swap setting. |
| 13:36 |
IhrFussel |
The swappiness is 60 |
| 13:38 |
IhrFussel |
Total RAM is 11 GB, in use 574 MB, cached 10 GB |
| 13:38 |
Mr_Pardison |
I'm not completely sure but that probably isn't normal. |
| 13:38 |
shivajiva |
that's a lot of cache |
| 13:39 |
nerzhul |
It's normal |
| 13:39 |
nerzhul |
if you server is a VM set vm.swappiness=10 |
| 13:39 |
nerzhul |
10GB cache means the OS has 10GB disk data in memory |
| 13:40 |
nerzhul |
it can be anything on disk, it depend on the recent usage, disk cache is always used and you should always have it else you will kill your disks :p |
| 13:41 |
shivajiva |
The disk cache will grow until you have no free memory left... |
| 13:41 |
shivajiva |
When you need more memory, some blocks will be evicted from the disk cache to make room. This eviction is controlled by a policy designed to maximize efficiency. E.g. "LRU": evict the Least Recently Used block. |
| 13:45 |
IhrFussel |
The only big file on my root server is map.sqlite ... all other files are mainly a few KBs |
| 13:46 |
nerzhul |
IhrFussel, anything can be in disk cache, binaries, logs ... |
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Mr_Pardison |
So, I have a question about how to change the key that activates and deactivates the woodcutter mod function where it cuts down the tree. |
| 13:51 |
Mr_Pardison |
I'm trying to change it since the default key used is sneak and that is used for other stuff. |
| 13:52 |
Mr_Pardison |
I have isolated the areas that I need to change to lines 294-332 |
| 13:52 |
Mr_Pardison |
this is in the init.lua file. |
| 13:54 |
Megaf |
cache and buffers are good IhrFussel |
| 13:54 |
Megaf |
also, using swap is ok, it's just the kernel puting htere stuff that doesnt need to be in RAM |
| 13:55 |
Mr_Pardison |
here is the code segment I'm talking about: |
| 13:55 |
Mr_Pardison |
https://thepasteb.in/p/Q1hBPVk9lMzi8 |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
total used free shared buff/cache available |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
Mem: 3936 787 1443 39 1706 3052 |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
Swap: 10238 0 10238 |
| 13:56 |
ThomasMonroe |
o/ Mr_Pardison, Megaf |
| 13:56 |
Megaf |
Greetings ThomasMonroe :) |
| 13:56 |
Mr_Pardison |
\o ThomasMonroe |
| 13:56 |
ThomasMonroe |
how are you two doing? |
| 13:56 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, swap is a few MB and I wonder what exactly is in there |
| 13:56 |
IhrFussel |
I mean swap in use |
| 13:57 |
Mr_Pardison |
rather well and happy that I got accepted into a college that I applied to. Puzzling over how to change the activation key for the woodcutter mod. |
| 13:58 |
ThomasMonroe |
:) thats good, and good luck XD |
| 13:58 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: SHould I worry about this? |
| 13:58 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2018-01-08 07:20:30: [Server] Item "streets:rw_asphalt_solid" not |
| 13:58 |
Megaf |
defined at position (-381,8,486) |
| 14:00 |
Thomas-S |
As long as you don't have the streets_compatibility mod installed, there will be lots of similiar error messages. There is no need for worry, it's simply an unkown node. |
| 14:00 |
IhrFussel |
Is that an unknown node? I think the position has been added to those (not sure if that got backported to 0.4.17 though) |
| 14:01 |
IhrFussel |
Here is my swap line of free -m: Swap: 3899 4 3895 ... so why exactly is it using 4 MB swap when there is 10 GB memory available? |
| 14:01 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: I explained that already |
| 14:02 |
IhrFussel |
So it's likely just kernel functions? |
| 14:02 |
Megaf |
just stuff that dont need to be in RAM |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
total used free shared buff/cache available |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
Mem: 3685 1547 43 22 2095 2063 |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
my laptop ^ |
| 14:07 |
IhrFussel |
But your laptop also doesn't use swap and my PC (Ubuntu) doesn't either right now ... a bit confusing |
| 14:07 |
Megaf |
I dont have swap |
| 14:08 |
IhrFussel |
Oh yeah right... well I'll see how it behaves after rebooting (set swappiness to 10) |
| 14:12 |
Megaf |
Yep, I can't play Minetest anymore |
| 14:13 |
Megaf |
it just hangs my whole system and I have to hard reset |
| 14:13 |
Megaf |
since 0.4.16 |
| 14:14 |
Mr_Pardison |
RIP |
| 14:14 |
Megaf |
4GB of RAM is nowhere enough to run Minetest |
| 14:15 |
Mr_Pardison |
that's enough for me with only MTG running on Fedora. |
| 14:16 |
Megaf |
see your memory use when you connect to my server |
| 14:16 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 14:16 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server V4.17 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/10, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms |
| 14:17 |
IhrFussel |
It depends on what your server loads...a simple client with no mods just MTG should max require 50 MB RAM ... a lightweight server maybe 200, a more heavy one (like mine) 700-800 MB ... do you use LOTS of nodes on your server? Mine has 1,700 nodes |
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Megaf |
I got a number of people trying to conenct to my server, 2/3 of them failed |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
they joined and crashed |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
when I finally manage to sort my server I fuck the clients |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
I just got a billion of lines like |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
2018-01-08 12:59:05: WARNING[Main]: Map::getNodeMetadata(): Block not found |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
2018-01-08 12:59:05: WARNING[Main]: Map::removeNodeMetadata(): Block not found |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
how bad is that? |
| 15:08 |
shivajiva |
lol what was that? |
| 15:08 |
Megaf |
server seg faulted |
| 15:09 |
Megaf |
when placing nixie tubes |
| 15:09 |
shivajiva |
eww |
| 15:09 |
Megaf |
mesecons is one of the biggest server crashers |
| 15:09 |
Megaf |
not as bad as pipeworks tho |
| 15:10 |
Megaf |
shivajiva: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1004033 |
| 15:10 |
shivajiva |
yup, I ran it on skyblocks for a few days and had nothing but crashes from player devices |
| 15:11 |
shivajiva |
huh all those tubes were placed in the same location |
| 15:11 |
Megaf |
shivajiva: I place one at that location... |
| 15:12 |
shivajiva |
why ~40 log events for the same tube |
| 15:17 |
Megaf |
shivajiva: because Minetest |
| 15:17 |
Megaf |
that's just the last lines... |
| 15:17 |
Megaf |
ugly mesecons bug https://github.com/minetest-mods/mesecons/issues/396 |
| 15:17 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 15:17 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: decatron nixies crash server on place. · Issue #396 · minetest-mods/mesecons · GitHub |
| 15:21 |
sfan5 |
looks like a faulty mod |
| 15:21 |
sfan5 |
fyi nixie tubes are not part of mesecons |
| 15:21 |
Megaf |
oh |
| 15:21 |
Megaf |
no? |
| 15:21 |
Megaf |
oh my |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/nixie_tubes/blob/master/init.lua#L201 |
| 15:24 |
shivajiva |
Vanessa made nixie_tubes didn't she |
| 15:24 |
sfan5 |
i'm not sure what this is supposed to do, but it's rotating itself causing after_place_node to be called again, causing it to rotate itself, [...] |
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| 15:24 |
Megaf |
let me put the bug report in the right place |
| 15:24 |
shivajiva |
good idea! |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
I wish I could remove issues on GitHub |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/nixie_tubes/issues/8 |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 15:25 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: decatron nixies crash server on place. · Issue #8 · minetest-mods/nixie_tubes · GitHub |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
there |
| 15:27 |
aerozoic |
Megaf, I've been getting a bunch of those errors to on my client when i connect to my server. |
| 15:27 |
aerozoic |
I don't have anything fancy like mesecons either |
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Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM2s06vPMuY |
| 19:13 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 19:13 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Vonikk - Frenzy - YouTube |
| 19:13 |
Megaf |
me gusta |
| 19:16 |
Fixer |
fantastisch old meme, my friend |
| 19:18 |
Fixer |
https://twitter.com/dephzon/status/948926605979680769 |
| 19:19 |
* Megaf |
clicks |
| 19:21 |
Fixer |
https://twitter.com/chanian/status/949457156071288833 |
| 19:22 |
Megaf |
I gotta check that on my VPS, |
| 19:23 |
Fixer |
wtf tramp related tweets on #meltdown |
| 19:23 |
Fixer |
trump* |
| 19:24 |
Megaf |
hold my beer, whitlisting my IP to login into my VPS control panel |
| 19:24 |
rubenwardy |
default drop |
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rubenwardy |
allow 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:25 |
rubenwardy |
done |
| 19:28 |
Megaf |
https://i.imgur.com/6pmLydz.png |
| 19:28 |
Megaf |
maybe they didnt patch it yet? |
| 19:28 |
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| 19:28 |
Megaf |
Or they did at week 51 |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
the patch does not necessarily raise your cpu usage by a significant amount |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
yes everyone has been saying this, but it's wrong |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
source: https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/950179182209830912 |
| 19:30 |
Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtxYug0tXM |
| 19:30 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 19:30 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: That Time an Olympic Rower Stopped to Let Some Ducks Swim By and Still Won the Gold Medal - YouTube |
| 19:32 |
Megaf |
That guy |
| 19:32 |
Megaf |
And he set a record |
| 19:32 |
Mr_Pardison |
watching it now |
| 19:32 |
Mr_Pardison |
don't spoil it. |
| 19:32 |
Megaf |
ok |
| 19:34 |
Megaf |
just amazing, going to my favourites playlsit |
| 19:38 |
Fixer |
sfan5: people who has no raise will obviously not report |
| 19:38 |
Fixer |
at least most of them |
| 19:38 |
sfan5 |
true |
| 19:42 |
* Megaf |
just reported no raise |
| 19:42 |
Megaf |
Though my social media is IRC |
| 19:50 |
Megaf |
I have no idea where I put my wallet, I and want o my an ice scream |
| 19:50 |
Mr_Pardison |
and I have no idea what happened to your typing. |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
I want to by an* |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
my dyslexia is getting worse |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
or my keyboard cant handle my speed |
| 19:52 |
Mr_Pardison |
I think it's the latter. |
| 19:52 |
Mr_Pardison |
that happens with me as it can't handle such skil and speed. |
| 19:52 |
Mr_Pardison |
*skill |
| 19:53 |
Megaf |
yep, for sure is the keyboards fault |
| 19:54 |
Megaf |
Now i cant find my credit card, I guess there will be no ice cream for me |
| 19:58 |
Fixer |
maaaaaaaaake a mooooooooove |
| 19:58 |
Fixer |
not 420 again... |
| 19:58 |
Fixer |
once it starts... |
| 19:58 |
* Mr_Pardison |
moves his king pawn to d4 |
| 20:04 |
Megaf |
Mr_Pardison: good man in that video isnt it? |
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Mr_Pardison |
yup. |
| 20:05 |
Megaf |
my ex would do even more stuff, she would block the other athletes to save the ducklings |
| 20:05 |
Megaf |
my ex is the best person ever |
| 20:16 |
IhrFussel |
What did I miss? xP |
| 20:17 |
IhrFussel |
*too lazy to read the logs now* x.x |
| 20:17 |
Mr_Pardison |
Megaf can't find his wallet and his keyboard can't handle the speed at which he types. |
| 20:20 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLnLGP4YcJg |
| 20:27 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 20:27 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Fix off-by-one in log output line length by pgimeno · Pull Request #6896 · minetest/minetest · GitHub |
| 20:27 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 20:27 |
rubenwardy |
that's a MTB bug |
| 20:27 |
rubenwardy |
!title is channel agnostic |
| 20:27 |
MinetestBot |
That's not a valid URL |
| 20:27 |
Megaf |
MinetestBot: you drunk mate |
| 20:27 |
rubenwardy |
hehe |
| 20:28 |
rubenwardy |
so posts the wrong link if a link was posted in another channel |
| 20:28 |
* Mr-Pardison |
observes MinetestBot to see how it acts while drunk |
| 20:28 |
Megaf |
!title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLnLGP4YcJg |
| 20:28 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: SYLLABUS - Is This INTERNET CLUB? - YouTube |
| 20:28 |
sfan5 |
the last observed url variable happens to be global |
| 20:28 |
Megaf |
Fixer: that's old |
| 20:29 |
Fixer |
Megaf: it is like 3 years old |
| 20:31 |
Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpTwsJaLvA4 |
| 20:31 |
Megaf |
mind blow |
| 20:31 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 20:31 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: The Physics of The Flash’s Infinite Mass Punch! (Because Science w/ Kyle Hill) - YouTube |
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Megaf |
:D |
| 20:36 |
Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6IZZvR60Vs |
| 20:36 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 20:36 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Would Dragon Ball Z Gravity Training Kill You? (Because Science w/ Kyle Hill) - YouTube |
| 20:48 |
Fixer |
so quite |
| 20:50 |
IhrFussel |
Nobody replied to https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19310 yet ... it's pretty critical |
| 20:50 |
Fixer |
https://twitter.com/apolloFER/status/949778078775029760 |
| 20:51 |
IhrFussel |
That function indeed seems to allow breaking even nodes that are supposed to be unbreakable by definition |
| 20:51 |
IhrFussel |
Or condition* |
| 20:51 |
rubenwardy |
I had this issue on CTF |
| 20:51 |
Shara |
Have seen the issue before |
| 20:52 |
Shara |
Problem is, you'd have falling nodes float on top of things you can't usually build on top of otherwise. |
| 20:52 |
Shara |
Which is also kind of bad |
| 20:52 |
Shara |
I actually had issues with my handholds mod because of this and had to work out a way around it |
| 20:52 |
rubenwardy |
replied |
| 20:53 |
IhrFussel |
But why does the "hit" node have to drop itself? |
| 20:53 |
Shara |
What else should happen to it? |
| 20:53 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: probably because it's not on the bugtracker |
| 20:53 |
sfan5 |
if they believe this to be a fairly important issue they should make sure the devs see it |
| 20:53 |
rubenwardy |
swear I made an issue about this |
| 20:53 |
Shara |
Either the existing node is replaced (so it's dropped or lost) or you let falling nodes float magically on top of things you can't usually build on |
| 20:54 |
Shara |
I never made an issue because I can't see a good solution |
| 20:54 |
rubenwardy |
#4781 |
| 20:54 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4781 -- Falling nodes can be used to break protected blocks. |
| 20:54 |
rubenwardy |
part of the problem |
| 20:55 |
IhrFussel |
Respecting certain node grups sounds very good |
| 20:55 |
IhrFussel |
groups* |
| 20:55 |
Shara |
Have the falling node cease to exist if the node it would occupy is protected and not air? |
| 20:55 |
rubenwardy |
maybe drop as item? |
| 20:55 |
Shara |
Hmm, maybe |
| 20:56 |
rubenwardy |
can a player make nodes in a protected area start falling? |
| 20:56 |
rubenwardy |
yes actually, if they dig beneath |
| 20:56 |
Shara |
I've only ever seen it used to grief twice in over two years on RC either way |
| 20:58 |
Shara |
But maybe the falling node dropping as an item would be best if the landing place is protected |
| 20:58 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, that's why I posted it here...to inform you about its existence since I'm not the author |
| 20:58 |
Shara |
Ugh, now I am tempted to stare at the code |
| 20:58 |
rubenwardy |
yay |
| 20:58 |
rubenwardy |
Shara offered to fix it! |
| 20:59 |
sfan5 |
nice |
| 20:59 |
Shara |
Lol |
| 20:59 |
Shara |
Yay, sfan5 thinks me coding is nice! |
| 20:59 |
sfan5 |
if you fix the issue and don't break anything else in the process, I don't see why not |
| 21:00 |
Shara |
Since falling code appears to be in lua, I could at least give it a try. |
| 21:00 |
IhrFussel |
Also how serious is this "cheat"? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19351 |
| 21:00 |
Fixer |
Microsoft’s Spectre-fixer bricks some AMD PCs |
| 21:00 |
Shara |
But if I need to compile anything I will sob and cry because windows |
| 21:01 |
rubenwardy |
affects serverlist ranking, IhrFussel |
| 21:01 |
Shara |
I really should teach myself to cross compile already |
| 21:01 |
rubenwardy |
so not particularly serious |
| 21:01 |
IhrFussel |
I know that but...bad enough to require fixing? |
| 21:01 |
rubenwardy |
probably not |
| 21:02 |
IhrFussel |
The user also questions the existence of that bonus for older servers while I see a good reason (so that old servers are never THAT forgotten on the list) |
| 21:02 |
Shara |
"...why giving a bonus for a old server?" Because old servers proved they actually last some time |
| 21:02 |
rubenwardy |
^ |
| 21:02 |
Fixer |
"high quality players" |
| 21:02 |
Shara |
It's so annoying to join a server, build something.. come back next day and no more server |
| 21:03 |
* Shara |
should probably post that there not here |
| 21:03 |
IhrFussel |
Many just do something before thinking about it... on one day they want to offer a server, the next day they regret their decision and shut it down |
| 21:04 |
IhrFussel |
Mostly when they realize what kind of work it takes to maintain a good server |
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| 21:06 |
Shara |
Replied anyway |
| 21:07 |
IhrFussel |
I mean there are a few good reasons to shut a server down (no money, job too hard, illness, losing interest and maybe more) |
| 21:07 |
Shara |
Well, it's also fine to shut it down because you don't feel like it anymore, but of course it isn't so great for players |
| 21:07 |
Megaf |
Shara: well said in the server age topic |
| 21:08 |
Shara |
Hi Megaf |
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| 21:08 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, "be" missing xP |
| 21:08 |
Megaf |
Speaking of that, I still ahve to adjust my servers age. it's not really accurate yet |
| 21:08 |
Megaf |
I think I'm off by almost one year |
| 21:08 |
Shara |
Fussel, fixed thanks |
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| 21:10 |
Shara |
I posted on the forum two days in a row. What's happening? |
| 21:10 |
rubenwardy |
woah :O |
| 21:10 |
IhrFussel |
I don't think servers get many bonus points for being old ... AFAIK the max is 4 points @ 8 months |
| 21:10 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, it's capped |
| 21:10 |
* Megaf |
pours a glass of red wine to go with this bread with butter |
| 21:11 |
Megaf |
while watching BBCs Planet Earth II |
| 21:11 |
* Mr_Pardison |
hands Megaf a jar of jam |
| 21:11 |
Mr_Pardison |
ooohhh.... I really want to watch that. |
| 21:11 |
Shara |
Anyway, rubenwardy / sfan5: would dropping the falling node as an item if it lands somewhere protected be a solution you'd support? |
| 21:12 |
Megaf |
Mr_Pardison: wathing the first episode now, just amazing |
| 21:12 |
sfan5 |
Shara: it sucks if a player lets stuff fall in his own protected area but sure |
| 21:13 |
Shara |
obviously if it's your own area you should be able to drop it as a node |
| 21:13 |
Mr_Pardison |
griefers are the problem with that. |
| 21:13 |
Shara |
though then you get weird inconsistent behavior depending on who owns an area... but that could be okay for this perhaps? |
| 21:13 |
Shara |
Mr P, yea, a way to counter using falling nodes to grief from above an area is what we're talking about ;) |
| 21:14 |
Mr_Pardison |
I can definitely get behind that. |
| 21:17 |
IhrFussel |
There is still the general problem that you can make any node drop by letting a falling one fall on it ... that's what made my player light nodes drop before I changed them to invisible light sources |
| 21:18 |
IhrFussel |
That problem isn't just in protected areas... players can obtain nodes they shouldn't get normally |
| 21:18 |
Shara |
Make 'any' node drop? |
| 21:18 |
Shara |
How? |
| 21:19 |
IhrFussel |
If you let a san node fall on any other node (that's not buildable_to AFAIK) the hit node will drop |
| 21:19 |
IhrFussel |
sand* |
| 21:20 |
IhrFussel |
Let me recheck |
| 21:21 |
IhrFussel |
Okay...seems like the falling node needs to be a certain one (didn't work with sand) |
| 21:21 |
Shara |
Ys, so not any node. That soundsed kind of weird :P |
| 21:22 |
rubenwardy |
you can use that exploit on ctf flags, btw |
| 21:22 |
rubenwardy |
as I posted in the topic |
| 21:22 |
Mr_Pardison |
Shara seems to be having the same problem that Megaf and I were having earlier. |
| 21:23 |
Shara |
? |
| 21:23 |
Mr_Pardison |
your keyboard cannot handle the speed at which you type. |
| 21:23 |
Fixer |
i remember snow falling on protected areas destroying some stuff like rails, that is quite old unaddressed problem |
| 21:23 |
Shara |
Oh, it just can't handle the cat on it |
| 21:24 |
* Mr_Pardison |
hopes that cat is a Scottish Fold |
| 21:24 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, do you know by any chance which nodes work for the dropping? I tried steelblock, meselamp and water sources so far |
| 21:24 |
Shara |
No. She's probably part rex though. |
| 21:25 |
rubenwardy |
? |
| 21:25 |
rubenwardy |
they need to be walkable = false |
| 21:25 |
rubenwardy |
so try ladders, plants, torches, etc |
| 21:28 |
IhrFussel |
Yep works with any rail |
| 21:29 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe we could make it so that if the hit node is walkable = false then drop the falling one instead? |
| 21:30 |
rubenwardy |
it shouldn't destroy the node if it's not diggable |
| 21:30 |
rubenwardy |
so it should check that it has at least one digging group |
| 21:30 |
IhrFussel |
But there is the group unbreakable too |
| 21:35 |
Megaf |
falling nodes shouldnt destroy nodes, period |
| 21:37 |
IhrFussel |
I think in most cases it would really make more sense to let the falling node drop instead of the hit one ... sounds more logical to me |
| 21:38 |
Megaf |
or just let the falling node stay on top of the node it has fallen on |
| 21:39 |
Megaf |
as it was placed there |
| 21:39 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, that already happens but isn't possible when the hit node is walkable |
| 21:39 |
Megaf |
I think this was the olde bahviour |
| 21:39 |
Fixer |
they do |
| 21:39 |
Megaf |
from my feet to my head |
| 21:40 |
Megaf |
all red |
| 21:40 |
Fixer |
it is especially problematic for protector_redo |
| 21:41 |
Megaf |
Im not even mad, it was amazing |
| 21:41 |
Fixer |
your skin will pile off |
| 21:41 |
Megaf |
likely |
| 21:41 |
IhrFussel |
Any node with walkable = true (rails, ladders, torches etc) can be dropped when you let a falling node fall on it which is a very good way of griefing but enables more than that (obtain unbreakable nodes you should never get in the game) |
| 21:42 |
Fixer |
i hate sunburns |
| 21:42 |
Megaf |
ok, server has been running great on my new dedicated, time to wipe it off from my VPS |
| 21:42 |
Fixer |
they also are quite nasty, even if you are in the shadow near the water |
| 21:42 |
Megaf |
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 21:42 |
Megaf |
/dev/sda 20G 13G 6.1G 69% / |
| 21:42 |
Megaf |
before wipe & |
| 21:42 |
* Mr-Pardison |
hands Megaf a shammy |
| 21:43 |
Megaf |
Destroying container private area: /vz/private/102 |
| 21:43 |
Megaf |
Container private area was destroyed |
| 21:43 |
Megaf |
oh boy |
| 21:43 |
Megaf |
it's gone |
| 21:43 |
Megaf |
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 21:43 |
Megaf |
/dev/sda 20G 6.7G 13G 36% / |
| 21:43 |
Megaf |
so much available space now |
| 21:45 |
Fixer |
NOBODY HERE |
| 21:45 |
Fixer |
Megaf: do meltdown tests |
| 21:45 |
Fixer |
Megaf: on minetest |
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| 21:45 |
Megaf |
nah |
| 21:45 |
Megaf |
I'm on holidays now |
| 21:45 |
* Fixer |
slaps Megaf with very large fish on holiday |
| 21:45 |
Megaf |
and when they end, I have plans already |
| 21:46 |
Megaf |
will work on a new photoshoot |
| 21:46 |
Megaf |
maybe it will be called, "Colours You Don't See" |
| 21:46 |
Fixer |
infra red? |
| 21:47 |
Mr-Pardison |
microwave? |
| 21:51 |
Fixer |
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 21:51 |
Fixer |
or not |
| 21:52 |
Fixer |
pc will probably lock up during compile |
| 21:52 |
Mr-Pardison |
RIP |
| 21:52 |
Fixer |
it is fine |
| 21:52 |
Megaf |
Done, requested downsizing of my Linode |
| 21:52 |
Megaf |
to the 5 USD plan, Linode 1GB |
| 21:52 |
Megaf |
and back to 20 GB of SSD |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
5$ per? |
| 21:53 |
Megaf |
sofar: 1 Xeon core, 1 GB for RAM, 20 SSD |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
$time_unit |
| 21:53 |
Megaf |
https://www.linode.com/pricing |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
so, hour? |
| 21:53 |
rubenwardy |
month |
| 21:54 |
Megaf |
20 GB SSD* |
| 21:54 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltncQ0t8I6A found it, happy procrastination |
| 21:54 |
Megaf |
in my dedi, I miss my 1 gbps Linode upload speed |
| 21:54 |
Megaf |
and 40 gbps download speed |
| 21:54 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 21:54 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Oneohtrix Point Never - Nobody Here [10:00:00 Edition] - YouTube |
| 21:55 |
IhrFussel |
I can really just recommend my new hoster netcup...I have a great server performance for $15/month |
| 21:56 |
Fixer |
minetest ASIO went into hibernation it seems |
| 21:56 |
Megaf |
I like the idea of having a dedicated IhrFussel |
| 21:56 |
Megaf |
oh boy, I'm not going to the sun tomorrow |
| 21:57 |
Fixer |
he is quite dedicated |
| 21:57 |
Megaf |
maybe I go to the sun today |
| 21:57 |
rubenwardy |
I'm enjoying kimsufi, although its file I/O isn't great |
| 21:57 |
rubenwardy |
as it is HDD |
| 21:57 |
IhrFussel |
My server is pretty much "dedicated" ... I have guaranteed cores and have yet to complain about someone who stole my CPU time |
| 21:57 |
rubenwardy |
not SSD or RAID |
| 21:58 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: they should do collocation |
| 21:58 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: you can put database to RAMdisk |
| 21:58 |
Megaf |
A Raspberry Pi 3 would be more powerful than my current Atom there, and it'd use way less energy |
| 21:59 |
rubenwardy |
ah, *colocation |
| 21:59 |
rubenwardy |
was wondering what you meant |
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| 22:05 |
IhrFussel |
Look at those values, not comparable to the 222-secs lag VPS or my old dedi https://pastebin.com/A54fW43e ... those are just the non-perfect minutes |
| 22:05 |
Megaf |
I had 8 seconds lag today |
| 22:05 |
Megaf |
but it was likely becausae of logic gates |
| 22:07 |
sofar |
I wonder how much AWS hosting of a MT server would actually cost after the free trial ends |
| 22:07 |
Megaf |
Closing IRC so I can play Minetest. Yest, Minetest does takes that much RAM. Cya guys, |
| 22:07 |
sofar |
looks like 8$ a month if you burn 100% cpu |
| 22:07 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 22:07 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server V4.17 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms |
| 22:09 |
paramat |
use less intensive mods |
| 22:14 |
paramat |
so it's likely not MT's fault |
| 22:15 |
Mr-Pardison |
will be leaving soon. |
| 22:15 |
Mr-Pardison |
cya tomorrow peeps. |
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