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benrob0329 |
IhrFussel: whats UTF-8 support? |
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IhrFussel |
benrob0329, something unknown in MT =P |
| 00:19 |
rubenwardy |
ARGH |
| 00:19 |
rubenwardy |
WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID GITHUB |
| 00:19 |
rubenwardy |
JEEZ |
| 00:21 |
Megaf |
ruben, where is that coming from? |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
Whenever I try to search something in lua_api.txt, it either goes into quick find file or edit mode |
| 00:23 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: just ctrl + f and type wht you need? |
| 00:23 |
Fixer |
FINALLY SOMEONE USES CAPSLOCK |
| 00:23 |
Megaf |
MEH, THIS IS NOT POLITE Fixer |
| 00:24 |
Megaf |
n o t p o l i t e |
| 00:24 |
rubenwardy |
Megaf, can't |
| 00:24 |
Megaf |
!? |
| 00:24 |
rubenwardy |
page listens for key stokes and does the "smart" stuff |
| 00:25 |
rubenwardy |
find takes a split second to open, but in that time I've typed the first letter |
| 00:25 |
rubenwardy |
so if I do ctrl+f e n v i r o n m e n t |
| 00:25 |
rubenwardy |
the e will be caught by the page and ctrl+f, but the page does stuff first |
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Megaf |
works perfect in Chromium for me https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
| 00:25 |
rubenwardy |
(y) |
| 00:25 |
rubenwardy |
congrats |
| 00:25 |
Megaf |
ctrl + f uses chromiums search thing |
| 00:26 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: just use RAW https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest/minetest/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
| 00:32 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: gitlab or the search function under <menu> |
| 00:39 |
benrob0329 |
What is it with people and bumping 4 year old mods that ofc arent going to work anymore |
| 00:57 |
twoelk |
hope? |
| 01:00 |
Fixer |
maybe they do work |
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CWz |
BananaLand isn't showing up on the server list |
| 10:38 |
lumberJ |
CWz its showing here: http://servers.minetest.net/ |
| 10:39 |
lumberJ |
daconcepts.com:31009 |
| 11:14 |
nerzhul |
note, yesterday i read some things about user limit count, don't forget minetest.register_can_bypass_userlimit |
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MinetestBot |
paramat: Jan-12 07:59 UTC <tumeninodes> thank you related to step height |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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tenplus1 |
hi Darcidride |
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Darcidride_ |
Hi tenplus1 |
| 12:29 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 12:38 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 12:38 |
tenplus1 |
hey fixer |
| 12:53 |
tenplus1 |
Xanadu updated with latest farming and mobs changes :D |
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tenplus1 |
wb |
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tenplus1 |
hi evergreen |
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tenplus1 |
hi aerozoic |
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aerozoic |
hello |
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| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
wb folks |
| 14:20 |
Fixer |
ty |
| 14:20 |
Fixer |
did some postmeltdown DISK related benchmarks |
| 14:20 |
Fixer |
crystaldiskmark and atto ones |
| 14:21 |
tenplus1 |
not see 'em |
| 14:21 |
Fixer |
also |
| 14:22 |
Fixer |
seems like performance issues are not over |
| 14:22 |
tenplus1 |
what you noticed ? |
| 14:23 |
Fixer |
according to microsoft "In general, our experience is that Variant 1 and Variant 3 mitigations have minimal performance impact, while Variant 2 remediation, including OS and microcode, has a performance impact." |
| 14:23 |
tenplus1 |
so far I have latest kernels and microcode and I dont notice any major regression |
| 14:23 |
Fixer |
Windows and Linux users already received Meltdown patches (Variant 3) |
| 14:23 |
Fixer |
Microcode Update for Spectre for some CPU was released recently |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
Variant 2 |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
Spectre mitigation will have bigger penalty :/ |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: minetest itself had same fps before/after patch, however emergeblocks was like 15% slower iirc |
| 14:25 |
tenplus1 |
after running ubu 18.04 with all new kernel.microcode.mesa I get fps increase |
| 14:26 |
tenplus1 |
but I think the newer drivers are helping accomodate the regression from spectre |
| 14:26 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: I compared my old CrystalDiskMark test from 2014 with todays numbers, they are a bit lower, ATTO gave me mixed results, something was lower and smth higher |
| 14:27 |
Fixer |
crystal disk mark: https://i.imgur.com/RTVmhcL.png |
| 14:29 |
Fixer |
disk io gonna suuck |
| 14:30 |
Fixer |
seems like worst part will be Spectre mitigation, it is not final slowdown we see |
| 14:30 |
tenplus1 |
damn, it hits io hard |
| 14:30 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 14:30 |
Fixer |
same for some SSD operations |
| 14:31 |
Fixer |
some workloads will be hit hard when that Retpoline goes merged |
| 14:31 |
Fixer |
into linux |
| 14:31 |
Fixer |
server related crap |
| 14:31 |
tenplus1 |
wonder how amd compares after fix |
| 14:32 |
Fixer |
"Intel promises transparency as Meltdown patch causes reboot problems with Broadwell and Haswell chips" |
| 14:32 |
Fixer |
ke-ke-ke |
| 14:32 |
Fixer |
AMD has BSODS iirc |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
AMD is affected to Spectre, but not to Meltdown |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
"Warning: Microsoft's Meltdown and Spectre patch is bricking some AMD PCs" |
| 14:33 |
tenplus1 |
if only they gave an option/boot setting to disable fixes and bring back speed |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
"Microsoft pausing the rollout of Spectre and Meltdown patches to AMD systems" |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: you can |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: in linux at least, for meltdown at least |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
kptioff or smth like that, at boot |
| 14:34 |
Fixer |
not sure about retpoline/spectre thingy |
| 14:36 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: ordinary users with meltdown patch, that do game/office should not be screwed much |
| 14:36 |
tenplus1 |
end of the day you still need access to pc to do anything with flaws, |
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| 14:39 |
tenplus1 |
hi srf |
| 14:39 |
tenplus1 |
lol, too short :) hey srifqi |
| 14:40 |
Fixer |
"With the Spectre attack, this information can be used to, for example, leak information within a browser (such as saved passwords or cookies) to a malicious JavaScript." |
| 14:40 |
Fixer |
this part is especially horrifying |
| 14:40 |
tenplus1 |
thankfully I dont save either... :D |
| 14:40 |
srifqi |
Hi tenplus1 ! |
| 14:41 |
srifqi |
What is Spectre attack? |
| 14:43 |
tenplus1 |
it's a sinister group in the bond movies that plan to take over INtel |
| 14:47 |
srifqi |
:O |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
"Windows will use PCID if the hardware supports INVPCID—that means Haswell or newer. If the hardware doesn't support INVPCID, then Windows won't fall back to using plain PCID" |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
this suck too |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
s |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
i have PCID, but not INVPCID |
| 14:48 |
tenplus1 |
why they gotta mess with the chips... whyyyyyyyy |
| 14:53 |
Megaf |
Are PowerPCs affected? |
| 14:53 |
tenplus1 |
those are too old to be affected |
| 14:53 |
Megaf |
PPC still very alive tenplus1 |
| 14:53 |
Fixer |
very good article https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/heres-how-and-why-the-spectre-and-meltdown-patches-will-hurt-performance/ |
| 14:54 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: the current PowerPC are the POWER 9 |
| 14:55 |
Megaf |
They have up to 8 threads per core and 12 and 24 core CPUs |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
So up to 96 threads per CPU |
| 14:56 |
tenplus1 |
damn, didnt know they were still being worked on... thought ppc died a death when apple moved to intel |
| 14:56 |
tenplus1 |
also hi Megaf |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
Hi :) |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
I wish I had a POWER9 workstation |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
Debian do support them |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
oh, and 4 GHz |
| 14:58 |
Fixer |
https://twitter.com/fran6wol/status/949696666172641280 python slowdown |
| 14:58 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: you know this? https://raptorcs.com/TALOSII/ |
| 14:58 |
Megaf |
opensource powerpc computer |
| 14:58 |
tenplus1 |
nice |
| 14:59 |
Megaf |
So my question stands, are PowerPCs affected? :) |
| 14:59 |
tenplus1 |
http://tenfourfox.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/is-powerpc-susceptible-to-spectre-yep.html |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
yep, I'm reading some websites abut that |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
now, what about SPARC!? |
| 15:01 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 15:01 |
tenplus1 |
POWER 8, POWER 9, System z, and SPARC are also vulnerable. |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
oh boy, what do we have left? |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
RISC V |
| 15:02 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.techpowerup.com/240310/risc-v-foundation-issues-statement-on-spectre-meltdown-exploits |
| 15:04 |
Megaf |
Aha! |
| 15:04 |
Megaf |
They did not disapoint me |
| 15:04 |
tenplus1 |
lol, |
| 15:04 |
Calinou |
"if you are rich, come to us" |
| 15:04 |
Calinou |
"ditch your girlfriend and enjoy CPU safety" |
| 15:04 |
Calinou |
:D |
| 15:04 |
tenplus1 |
think I'll wait until the next-gen cpu's appear before ever upgrading... |
| 15:04 |
Megaf |
ditch girlfirend, done |
| 15:04 |
Megaf |
can I have my CPU now? |
| 15:04 |
tenplus1 |
hi cal |
| 15:05 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 15:05 |
Megaf |
I think MIPS CPUs are safe too tenplus1 |
| 15:06 |
Megaf |
if MIPS were affected then havoc would happen |
| 15:06 |
Fixer |
Calinou: ditched my girlfriend @ finally updated my PC @ PCMasterRace |
| 15:06 |
tenplus1 |
wonder if I can stack 68040's and use those :P |
| 15:06 |
Megaf |
since a lot of routers, switches and stuff use MIPS |
| 15:07 |
Fixer |
good benchmarks here https://www.techspot.com/article/1556-meltdown-and-spectre-cpu-performance-windows/ |
| 15:07 |
Fixer |
also, part 3 is SAD! |
| 15:07 |
Megaf |
Fixer: the website is very sad, it's a piece of crap |
| 15:07 |
Megaf |
since it requires JavaScriptt to function |
| 15:07 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 15:08 |
Megaf |
not enabling JS for a website, no way |
| 15:08 |
Megaf |
no even Google has JS from me |
| 15:08 |
Megaf |
meh, anyone can edit wikipedia and add JS that exploits meltdown |
| 15:08 |
Calinou |
uh, I don't think so |
| 15:09 |
* Megaf |
removes wikipedia from the whitelist |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
you can add CSS and JavaScript to your own user account, which will only be used by yourself |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
(either for a specific theme, or for all themes) |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
from what I see, when I get microcode update - my HDD will start crying |
| 15:10 |
Megaf |
very nice website that doesnt use JS https://newworldinteractive.com/ |
| 15:10 |
Megaf |
or at least works well without it |
| 15:11 |
tenplus1 |
wow, that's nicely done |
| 15:12 |
Megaf |
Indeed |
| 15:12 |
Megaf |
see? That's why I hate JS |
| 15:12 |
tenplus1 |
it can all be done with html5 |
| 15:12 |
Megaf |
heavy as hell, devs make terrible use of it, it's vunerable, and totally not necessary |
| 15:14 |
tenplus1 |
maybe 2018 will see some browser changes to stop all that |
| 15:14 |
tenplus1 |
what would you say is the best plugin for chromium to limit JS usage ? |
| 15:14 |
lisac |
any idea how does one create vertical tabheader? |
| 15:15 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: just disable JS |
| 15:15 |
Megaf |
then enable it for the websites you want |
| 15:15 |
tenplus1 |
wont that mess up MANY sites |
| 15:16 |
Megaf |
the messed up websites you stop visiting |
| 15:16 |
Megaf |
because they are crap |
| 15:16 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 15:16 |
tenplus1 |
will do a test, lemmie disable JS and reset browser |
| 15:18 |
tenplus1 |
lolol, youtube doesnt work at all :P hah |
| 15:18 |
tenplus1 |
that's so sad |
| 15:18 |
lisac |
tenplus1: I thought YT was HTML5 since ages ago |
| 15:18 |
lisac |
wait |
| 15:18 |
lisac |
kill me |
| 15:19 |
lisac |
anyway, you can use noscript |
| 15:19 |
tenplus1 |
all I get is a youtube logo in corner and nothing on screen... |
| 15:19 |
tenplus1 |
hi lisac |
| 15:19 |
lisac |
hey tenplus1 :) |
| 15:19 |
lisac |
https://noscript.net/ |
| 15:19 |
Megaf |
13:18 <tenplus1> lolol, youtube doesnt work at all :P hah |
| 15:19 |
Megaf |
confirmed ^ |
| 15:20 |
Megaf |
and that's sad |
| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
indeed... why do so many sites use this |
| 15:20 |
Megaf |
as I previously shoes in te newwroldinteractive, you don't need JS for videos |
| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
I coudl add a javascript button to the page and enable.disable at will |
| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
hrm |
| 15:21 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: for the same reason people use Windows, .NET and other crap. because they are lazy ass and don't want to make something really good |
| 15:21 |
tenplus1 |
damn their lazyness |
| 15:21 |
Megaf |
And as I always said, It's too easy making software for powerful hardware |
| 15:21 |
Megaf |
it doesnt care about your lazyness and mistakes |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
chromium has a scriptsafe plugin |
| 15:22 |
srifqi |
Minetest landing page? |
| 15:22 |
Megaf |
down |
| 15:23 |
srifqi |
I mean, can Minetest main web page still run without JS? |
| 15:23 |
Megaf |
Dont know, it's down |
| 15:23 |
Megaf |
http://servers.minetest.net/ is just a white page without JS |
| 15:24 |
Megaf |
srifqi: minetest.net seems to work ok withtou JS |
| 15:24 |
Megaf |
apart from the menus |
| 15:24 |
srifqi |
Minetest server list depends on JS for content update. |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
the bloody menus are stupid JS code |
| 15:25 |
srifqi |
The menus don't work? |
| 15:25 |
srifqi |
I thought it was CSS. |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
man, you can do nice menus in old HTML 4 |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
without JS |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
2018, really?\ |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
/o\ |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
╯°□°）╯︵ â”»â”â”» |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
servers.minetest.net uses AJAX to update without having to refresh the entire page |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
("meta refresh" can be used to do that in HTML, but it makes for a really bad user experience) |
| 15:27 |
Calinou |
(it cannot be controlled by the user, it will scroll back up on refresh and everything) |
| 15:27 |
Megaf |
feck this. I ain't enable JS. â”»â”â”» ︵ ¯\(ツ)/¯ ︵ â”»â”â”» |
| 15:27 |
Calinou |
(plus, it flashes) |
| 15:28 |
red-001 |
just read http://servers.minetest.net/list |
| 15:29 |
Megaf |
oh my |
| 15:29 |
Calinou |
JSON is my son! |
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red-001 |
Calinou, couldn't the server do some noscript stuff and serve a static page to anyone in <current year> without javascript? |
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| 15:30 |
Megaf |
wb tenplus1 |
| 15:30 |
tenplus1 |
thanks... I have javascript disabled by default and can enable with button on navbar :D |
| 15:32 |
Calinou |
red-001: it's possible but it won't refresh automatically |
| 15:32 |
Calinou |
it would require moving the HTML rendering server-side, too |
| 15:32 |
red-001 |
Calinou, gets the JS haters to stop complaining through |
| 15:32 |
Calinou |
(it's client-side right now, IIRC, I'm not sure) |
| 15:33 |
red-001 |
yeah it's seems to be client sided |
| 15:33 |
Megaf |
Can't PHP do a lor of JS stuff? |
| 15:33 |
Megaf |
lot* |
| 15:33 |
red-001 |
Calinou, what about the minetest.net menus, I have heared people complain about them way too many times |
| 15:34 |
tenplus1 |
wow google search looks sooooo different without javascript active |
| 15:34 |
Megaf |
It's the old site |
| 15:34 |
Megaf |
it used to be like that |
| 15:35 |
tenplus1 |
I prefer it, loads fast |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
red-001: yeah, not sure if Bootstrap easily supports a way to make them display on hover using CSS |
| 15:35 |
Megaf |
And I rather like that version |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
(instead of on-click using JavaScript) |
| 15:35 |
Megaf |
also, it doesn't mask the page URLs |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
DuckDuckGo still has a no-JS version by the way |
| 15:35 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: try your GMail :) |
| 15:35 |
red-001 |
they kinda need to Calinou |
| 15:35 |
Megaf |
you can even midle click your emails to open them in a new tab |
| 15:36 |
red-001 |
thier selling point is that they wouldn't track you |
| 15:36 |
tenplus1 |
sweeeet, so fast... what the hell are google playing at using the slow ass javascript |
| 15:37 |
Fixer |
Megaf: js is not purely evil, you can enable bits you trust and leave trash/trackers disabled |
| 15:37 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: verbatim mode in google search, try it |
| 15:37 |
Megaf |
no ads in teh results |
| 15:38 |
Fixer |
i have not seen ads in google since ages |
| 15:38 |
tenplus1 |
have had adblocker enabled for years now :D |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
apple.com also works without JS |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
adblockers slow things down a lot |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
and make your browser use lots of memory/cpu |
| 15:39 |
tenplus1 |
they do, but I dont wanna see so much crap being loaded with a site |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
best thing is use clean chromium, without JS |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
and plugins and extension |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
I went back to Chromium, it's much smoother on Linux than Firefox |
| 15:40 |
tenplus1 |
agreed |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
Firefox on Linux has CSD now (especially in Fedora) so you gain some vertical space, but it's still less smooth |
| 15:40 |
Megaf |
Firefox is very slow indeed |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
I forced hardware acceleration in both, and tweaked many flags in Chromium |
| 15:40 |
red-001 |
I'm about 50% sure that browsers use that much memory just to drive up ram prices |
| 15:40 |
tenplus1 |
I use to hate chromium for it's lack of cache settings, but found a way around it :D |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
(new prefetcher, 4 render threads, …) |
| 15:41 |
Fixer |
adblocker for decades actually |
| 15:41 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: Opera up to 12 was the best browser |
| 15:41 |
Calinou |
pages on https://www.notebookcheck.net/ load in < 1 second, despite having an ADSL connection |
| 15:41 |
Megaf |
you could set up settings for ram cache AND disk cache |
| 15:41 |
Calinou |
sometimes < 0.5s even |
| 15:41 |
tenplus1 |
opera was a great browser, I use it until they went chromium and it exploded in site |
| 15:41 |
tenplus1 |
*size |
| 15:42 |
Megaf |
rebotting to kernel 4.15, brb |
| 15:42 |
tenplus1 |
good luck |
| 15:42 |
Fixer |
Calinou: it is funny how manufacturers raped everyone with 16:9, so you need to CSD, and other """workarounds""", when you can sell 16:10 for good prices but you don't want because it is made into Elite category |
| 15:42 |
Calinou |
with 7 tabs, the Chromium processes amount to ~1.2 GB of RAM or so right now |
| 15:42 |
Calinou |
it's a lot but I have 32 GB… |
| 15:42 |
Calinou |
and I set some flags which increase memory usage, but make it a bit faster |
| 15:43 |
Calinou |
Fixer: to be fair, I don't need 16:10 on 32" :) |
| 15:43 |
Calinou |
I'd like it on a laptop though |
| 15:43 |
tenplus1 |
Cal, what are your fav. flags to change ? |
| 15:43 |
Calinou |
or even 3:2 like the Surface Pro |
| 15:43 |
Fixer |
Calinou: yes, laptops are affected a lot by this nonsense |
| 15:44 |
Fixer |
i really need to calculate what 16:10/9 i need to replace my 19" 5:4 to have as much physical height |
| 15:45 |
Calinou |
tenplus1: I enable Override software rendering list, Display list 2D canvas, Fast tab/window close, Overlay Scrollbars, GPU rasterization, TCP Fast Open, Zero-copy rasterizer, Number of raster threads (4), Allow invalid certificates for resources loaded from localhost, Brotli Content-Encoding, No-State Prefetch (Enabled Prerender), Speculative Prefetch (Enabled Prefetching), many Omnibox things (narrow dropdown, 8 matches instead of 4, site |
| 15:45 |
Calinou |
favions, no trivial subdomains) |
| 15:45 |
Calinou |
whew :) |
| 15:45 |
Calinou |
the browser is still super stable |
| 15:46 |
tenplus1 |
oof, lemmie copy n paste that one :D |
| 15:46 |
tenplus1 |
I just disable cache and add adblocker :P |
| 15:46 |
Fixer |
Calinou: 1920x1200 is amazing for retro, since you can have proper pixel sizes |
| 15:47 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/rRvVH1bf6e/QqHa6qfBd8A2buoq.png |
| 15:47 |
Calinou |
my Omnibox looks like this |
| 15:47 |
Calinou |
Fixer: 2560×1440 works well for lowres Doom :P |
| 15:47 |
Calinou |
(6× scale in Chocolate Doom, 3× scale in Crispy Doom) |
| 15:47 |
Fixer |
Calinou: 2560 is probably overkill |
| 15:47 |
Fixer |
i don't have THAT MUCH CASH |
| 15:49 |
Fixer |
according to calculations, I need at least 24" 16:9 to have same height (physical and pixel) |
| 15:49 |
Megaf |
meh, nouveau is totally broekn in 4.15 rc5 |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
2560×1440 is fairly cheap in 24"/25"/27" but you need scaling |
| 15:50 |
Megaf |
rebooted in macOS instead... |
| 15:50 |
Calinou |
32" doesn't require it, but starts at €420 or so |
| 15:50 |
tenplus1 |
yeh, when using minetest it eventually stalled desktop Megaf |
| 15:50 |
Fixer |
no wait |
| 15:50 |
Megaf |
I couldnt even get the kernel to load properly tenplus1 |
| 15:50 |
Megaf |
framebuffer wast working |
| 15:50 |
Fixer |
according to my calc, 24-25" should be good enough |
| 15:51 |
Fixer |
or 23" 16:10 |
| 15:51 |
tenplus1 |
amd opensource is much better |
| 15:51 |
Fixer |
24" 16:10 |
| 15:53 |
Fixer |
https://www.ghacks.net/2018/01/11/check-linux-for-spectre-or-meltdown-vulnerability/ |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
I checked it, I still have vulnerability to Spectre :) |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
I reported https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker/issues/46 :P |
| 15:56 |
Fixer |
Calinou: you have updated bios/microcode? |
| 16:00 |
Calinou |
nope |
| 16:00 |
Calinou |
I just updated the kernel |
| 16:00 |
Calinou |
so I have the Meltdown fix at least |
| 16:04 |
Fixer |
"In a world where vintage-2011 Sandy Bridge processors" |
| 16:04 |
Fixer |
V I N T A G E???? |
| 16:05 |
Fixer |
writer is probably apple user |
| 16:05 |
tenplus1 |
ahaha |
| 16:06 |
tenplus1 |
my intel atom came out 2012 so I'm not quite vintage yet :D |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
Fixer: eh, 8 year old CPUs are vintage |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
even Sandy Bridge could be considered vintage |
| 16:06 |
red-001 |
vintage apple product: anything older then ~6 months |
| 16:06 |
Fixer |
no it is not |
| 16:06 |
Fixer |
386 is vintage |
| 16:06 |
tenplus1 |
lol red |
| 16:07 |
Fixer |
Celeron 300MHz is vintage |
| 16:07 |
Fixer |
Pentium III is vintage |
| 16:07 |
Fixer |
everything else still used actively |
| 16:07 |
Fixer |
you can slap more RAM on Athlon XP and keep using it in office |
| 16:08 |
Fixer |
they are not updating, they install more RAM and keep using whatever was installed, XP or 7 or whatever |
| 16:08 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, hell I've used a 286 pc with 4mb memory and working with Lotus Office :D |
| 16:08 |
Fixer |
even stuff like Celeron 1.7Ghz is used |
| 16:08 |
Megaf |
Calinou: AFAIK you need new firmware and a matching kernel |
| 16:09 |
Megaf |
Calinou: how can I test if I'm affected? |
| 16:09 |
Fixer |
i have notebook in use with CPU from 2008 or so |
| 16:10 |
Fixer |
today if you don't game at Ultra settings you dont need upgrade much anymore |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
I wonder if that will work on OS X |
| 16:11 |
Fixer |
some """"""""vintage""""""" core i5 with 200usd videocard is still perfectly up for most tasks |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
Megaf: https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker on Linux |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
other tools exist for macOS, surely |
| 16:12 |
red-001 |
honestly kinda surprised apple didn't get thier hardware to brick itself after 2 years, I guess that might have been too on the nose |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
Fixer: today's games pretty much require a quad core CPU to run smoothly, regardless of settings |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
these debuted in 2011 laptops :) |
| 16:12 |
Fixer |
Calinou: require? they will not refuse to work anyway |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
they'll run poorly, often stuttering below 30 FPS |
| 16:13 |
Fixer |
it is like, hey, you got only two eggs, i mean cores, f--k you, i will not run |
| 16:13 |
Fixer |
Calinou: quad cores were available since ages |
| 16:13 |
tenplus1 |
2fps... pfft |
| 16:14 |
tenplus1 |
64-bit has been available for ages and games still dont take advantage |
| 16:14 |
Fixer |
4 cores since 2007 in Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600 |
| 16:15 |
Megaf |
I might buy a Core2Quad laptop next month |
| 16:15 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: yeah, iirc, ETS2 was 32bit and sometimes crashed because of limit |
| 16:16 |
Fixer |
i had no such problem though |
| 16:16 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 16:17 |
tenplus1 |
my nettop has 32-bit linus on it for so long and eventually installed 64-bit by mistake and it worked :) ahahahaha |
| 16:17 |
Fixer |
if you don't use much mem, there is no need for 64 bit |
| 16:17 |
Megaf |
restarting, going back to Debian now (installing update on macOS) |
| 16:17 |
tenplus1 |
w00t |
| 16:17 |
Fixer |
but it is prefered for now |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
Fixer: in laptops, no |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
you mentioned laptops ;) |
| 16:18 |
tenplus1 |
at the time I had 2gb... now I have 4gb (nettops limis) |
| 16:18 |
Fixer |
Calinou: nah, nobody plays on craptops, apart from mazos |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
I remember 32-bit Minecraft OOMing in late 2011 when using the Far render distance |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
Mojang eventually discouraged the usage of 32-bit Java if using the Far render idstance |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
now, the maximal renderer distance depends on the -Xmx value you use |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
I can set up to 64 since I use -Xmx4G :) |
| 16:18 |
red-001 |
is 32-bit not dead yet? |
| 16:18 |
Fixer |
but times change, now people buy 1USD chinese speakers to listen to music @ It is 2017 |
| 16:19 |
tenplus1 |
it will be in a few years when the older systems eventually die or stop being suported |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
many distros no longer provide support for 32-bit |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
Arch Linux doesn't even provides updates anymore, but an official continuation exist |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
exists* |
| 16:19 |
tenplus1 |
lubuntu is the only *buntu version to do so... the rest are 64-bit only now |
| 16:19 |
Fixer |
debian/slackware will probably support |
| 16:22 |
tenplus1 |
considering how cheap it is to buy a 64-bit system now am sure ppl will upgrade where poissible |
| 16:22 |
* Wayward_One |
is running 32 bit mint 18.3 on this 2-in-1 |
| 16:23 |
Wayward_One |
:P |
| 16:23 |
red-001 |
hi Wayward_One |
| 16:23 |
tenplus1 |
hows it run ? |
| 16:23 |
tenplus1 |
also hi |
| 16:23 |
Wayward_One |
really well |
| 16:23 |
Wayward_One |
hi :) |
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Fixer |
tenplus1: not everywhere, in a lot of countries apart from US/Japan/EU stuff gets MORE PRICEY every damn day |
| 16:23 |
Wayward_One |
considering this device only has 2Gb ram |
| 16:23 |
tenplus1 |
my 64-bit lenovo desktop was 99quid... that has a quad j2900 |
| 16:24 |
Fixer |
there is a reason why I'm using Core i3 Sandy Bridge... it costs 3x as much today as when I bought it |
| 16:24 |
srifqi |
My 32-bit pentium 4 computer runs on lubuntu. |
| 16:24 |
tenplus1 |
sweet, all my systems run lubuntu... even xanadu server on it's core i5 |
| 16:25 |
srifqi |
... with 72 GB HDD and 512 MB RAM. ._. |
| 16:25 |
tenplus1 |
wow, what do you use it for ? |
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| 16:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi CBD |
| 16:32 |
CBugDCoder |
hi ten |
| 16:33 |
tenplus1 |
srifqi: did you add the 'vm.swappiness = 15' line to /etc/sysctl.conf file to help with memory ? |
| 16:33 |
CBugDCoder |
I just got done modifying mobs-redo so that the mobs turn smoothly :) |
| 16:33 |
tenplus1 |
ooh nice, you got it on git ? |
| 16:34 |
srifqi |
tenplus1: mostly because I have old data archived there and I need an OS to run it so that it still has some value to not to be ended up in trash. |
| 16:34 |
srifqi |
Also, my brothers still use it. |
| 16:34 |
tenplus1 |
I agree, mightbe old but if it still works :) yay |
| 16:35 |
CBugDCoder |
not atm it is for athermensia but i can send you the changes in a pm if you want i also made the mobs runaway crooked as if they are scared XD |
| 16:35 |
srifqi |
Never heard about sysctl.conf. |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
sysctl.conf has been here for over 10 years, IIRC |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
it's not linked to systemd |
| 16:35 |
tenplus1 |
srifqi: it handles virtual memory so it doesnt use it too soon, hence slowing down the computer, |
| 16:35 |
tenplus1 |
CBugDCoder: that'd be kewl thanks, would like to see changes :) |
| 16:36 |
srifqi |
Basically, use RAM more often than virtual memory? |
| 16:36 |
tenplus1 |
exactly, and once it hits 15% left use vm to unload memory |
| 16:36 |
tenplus1 |
it helps a lot |
| 16:36 |
tenplus1 |
even setting to 20 would be ideal wit 512mb |
| 16:37 |
srifqi |
Will try next time I use it. |
| 16:51 |
srifqi |
Late night here. See you! |
| 16:52 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
yo |
| 17:01 |
tenplus1 |
hi ruben |
| 17:03 |
rubenwardy |
> spam up on the forum for 10 hours |
| 17:03 |
tenplus1 |
is it that damn tech product thing again, fed up reporting those |
| 17:06 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 17:06 |
tenplus1 |
kinda wish I had a wee delete button next to the alert icon so I could just remove it |
| 17:06 |
rubenwardy |
always the same [a-z]apedLen |
| 17:06 |
rubenwardy |
I wish there were a delete icon |
| 17:07 |
rubenwardy |
you have to select the user profile, click administrate, enter password, ban their IP, then delete posts |
| 17:07 |
rubenwardy |
the last action takes about 20 seconds |
| 17:07 |
rubenwardy |
maybe 10 |
| 17:29 |
nore |
rubenwardy: install selenium and make a script for that :p |
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| 17:33 |
rubenwardy |
new homepage https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/index.html |
| 17:33 |
rubenwardy |
O_o |
| 17:33 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 17:33 |
rubenwardy |
older one had a lot of junk |
| 17:33 |
rubenwardy |
nore: I'll look into it, hesistant though |
| 17:33 |
rubenwardy |
don't want to accidentally delete a user again |
| 17:33 |
rubenwardy |
<_< |
| 17:35 |
Dargod |
hi all |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
hi |
| 17:37 |
tenplus1 |
hi Dargod |
| 17:50 |
red-001 |
I use sytlebot to inject css |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
Opera used to change sites styles... |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
Man, Opera was so amazing |
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| 17:55 |
Megaf |
opera/stable 12.16.1860 amd64 |
| 17:55 |
Megaf |
Fast and secure web browser and Internet suite |
| 17:55 |
Megaf |
cool |
| 17:56 |
Megaf |
apt search opera ^ |
| 18:01 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: for some reason, it does not fit like 1-2 pixels by height, so I see a scrollbar |
| 18:01 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: 1280x1024 |
| 18:02 |
rubenwardy |
thanks for saying |
| 18:02 |
rubenwardy |
can remove some of the cover heigh |
| 18:04 |
rubenwardy |
huh, I can't reproduce with 1280x1024 |
| 18:04 |
Megaf |
there, best browser ever ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/1216/ |
| 18:04 |
rubenwardy |
on FF or Chrome |
| 18:04 |
Megaf |
tar the bz2, is protable, run from where you extract it |
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tenplus1 |
hi benrob |
| 18:08 |
benrob0329 |
Hi ten |
| 18:11 |
Dargod |
It would be nice if someone tested my style for servers.minetest.net |
| 18:11 |
Dargod |
https://userstyles.org/styles/154149/night-mt-server-list |
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tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
| 18:17 |
Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhvfa3zRaGs |
| 18:17 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 18:17 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: $17,000 PC from 1990: IBM PS/2 Model 90 XP 486 - YouTube |
| 18:17 |
IhrFussel |
2018-01-13 19:11:36: [Main]: INFO: signal_handler(): got SIGTERM, shutting down. << I did NOT shut it down or end the process... what could've caused it? |
| 18:17 |
rubenwardy |
low memory |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
restart of vps |
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| 18:19 |
IhrFussel |
If it was memory wouldn't dmesg report it? The VM didn't restart, just the MT process exited for some reason |
| 18:24 |
sfan5 |
look into dmesg |
| 18:24 |
sfan5 |
if it's not in there it was something else |
| 18:47 |
IhrFussel |
dmesg only reports a segfault but that was earlier today ... I see no /shutdown in the chat log either |
| 18:48 |
IhrFussel |
Could KVM shutdown processes of VMs if they are too resource hungry maybe? |
| 18:55 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 18:56 |
benrob0329 |
Bye all o/ |
| 18:56 |
tenplus1 |
cya |
| 19:02 |
Fixer |
Megaf: i've read some history on PS/2, it was so funny, IBM PC clones won |
| 19:02 |
Fixer |
you are welcome |
| 19:02 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, is there a way to find out which process sent the signal? |
| 19:02 |
sfan5 |
nope |
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| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
hi nerzhul |
| 19:20 |
nerzhul |
hi tenplus1 |
| 19:20 |
nerzhul |
i updated the current 0.5 changelog on the wiki |
| 19:20 |
nerzhul |
https://wiki.minetest.net/Changelog |
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tenplus1 |
wb CBugDCoder, this kinda works: https://pastebin.com/ZTSud34a |
| 19:21 |
nerzhul |
hmm http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog sorry |
| 19:24 |
Shara |
nerzhul: not adding ability for subgames to restrict mapgen? |
| 19:27 |
nerzhul |
i don't see any commit about that |
| 19:28 |
Shara |
It's #6792 |
| 19:28 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6792 -- Give subgames the ability to disallow specific mapgens by Ezhh |
| 19:29 |
Shara |
It's a quite important feature for people making subgames, and addin git closed of some quite old issue about this |
| 19:29 |
Shara |
So would be nice to include it :) |
| 19:31 |
CBugDCoder |
hmm ten it still doesnt me or seem to turn much at all |
| 19:31 |
CBugDCoder |
follow ^ |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
issue with mobs attacking, you get to a certain angle and they keep going straight instead of at player |
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| 19:39 |
CBugDCoder |
ten that could be easily fixed by having the set velocity function read the yaw from target_yaw |
| 19:40 |
CBugDCoder |
but that would make movement jerky |
| 19:40 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, attack yaw is smooth cause it's updated per tick instead of the usual 1 second interval |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
maybe we could have a turn funtion to turn THEN attack |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
priority goes to turning first before movement |
| 19:45 |
CBugDCoder |
yea or have the folowing/attacking updated per step instead of per second |
| 19:45 |
tenplus1 |
normal mob tick is per second, movement is per second but when attacking its per tick so it turns to face player smoother |
| 19:46 |
CBugDCoder |
yes |
| 19:49 |
tenplus1 |
man I hate radians... why werent entities using degrees... |
| 19:50 |
CBugDCoder |
XD me too |
| 19:50 |
CBugDCoder |
ohh make a converter function so that the mobs can use radians and set/get yaw converts it XD |
| 19:51 |
CBugDCoder |
i meant so that they can use degrees |
| 19:51 |
CBugDCoder |
XD |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
I would but mob rotation and riding rely on radians... that took me forever to figure out |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 19:52 |
CBugDCoder |
ohh XD |
| 19:52 |
tenplus1 |
I was trying to simplify your turning function by using hardcoded radians, 0 = 0 degrees, 6.283 = 360 degrees |
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paramat |
too much offtopic here today (usual suspects), just read logs :) |
| 19:59 |
tenplus1 |
what offtopic ? intel ? |
| 20:00 |
tenplus1 |
also, hi |
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tenplus1 |
wb ruben |
| 20:05 |
rubenwardy |
nerzhul: please put the authors |
| 20:05 |
rubenwardy |
jesus |
| 20:07 |
Shara |
I'll just add that one myself to make sure it's not missed |
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tenplus1 |
Mobs Redo API updated with bug fixes |
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tenplus1 |
hi compunerd |
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tenplus1 |
hi nathan |
| 20:34 |
NathanS21 |
hi tenplus1 |
| 20:35 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 21:01 |
tenplus1 |
nite folks |
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nerzhul |
rubenwardy, no, i never did that , and i'm the only to maintain that and i don't have time for this :) |
| 21:20 |
rubenwardy |
you can literally do it as you're making the change log |
| 21:25 |
nerzhul |
i can but i don't want to do it, i don't have time for this. |
| 21:26 |
nerzhul |
nobody wants to do the changelog as it seems, 6 months pass and nobody has updated it since my last update |
| 21:26 |
nerzhul |
and i don't want to loose time to find all commits to see who did what, i have other things to do :) |
| 21:27 |
nerzhul |
https://twitter.com/MalwareJake/status/952025261045895168 serious, lkml... |
| 21:45 |
red-001 |
changelogs are thankless work |
| 21:46 |
Calinou |
are people still asking me to write a changelog 2 years later? :D |
| 21:47 |
Calinou |
we should have followed http://keepachangelog.com/en/1.0.0/ from the beginning :( |
| 21:47 |
Calinou |
I'm doing this for my own projects now |
| 21:47 |
Calinou |
(see moreblocks) |
| 21:56 |
Shara |
Any kind of documentation related work is usually thankless. |
| 21:57 |
Shara |
Just generates complaints if not done. |
| 22:01 |
Calinou |
exactly |
| 22:01 |
Calinou |
few people thanked me for the 4,000+ edits I've done on the Minecraft wiki :) |
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red-001 |
hi Grandolf |
| 22:31 |
Grandolf |
hi red |
| 22:49 |
Grandolf |
how do i fix skins on minetest 0.5.0-dev? |
| 22:50 |
Shara |
What's wrong with them? |
| 22:50 |
Grandolf |
they are sunken into the ground |
| 22:50 |
Grandolf |
by about 1 node |
| 22:50 |
Shara |
So the player model is sunk? |
| 22:50 |
Shara |
Is this when connecting to a server? |
| 22:51 |
Shara |
If so, you need to make sure you have the same version client as the server |
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| 23:48 |
Megaf |
Man, my ears really actually hurt when I listen to modern music |
| 23:48 |
Megaf |
the amplitude and rithm are just wrong |
| 23:48 |
Megaf |
too loud |
| 23:48 |
Megaf |
no continuation |
| 23:48 |
Megaf |
And I wont even mention the lyrics |
| 23:49 |
Megaf |
This is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5keCuQffN3g |
| 23:51 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 23:51 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Daft Punk - Get Lucky (Vinyl) - YouTube |
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Megaf |
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!title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LI-xUDjlI |
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Megaf: Pink Floyd - Mother - 432Hz (HQ German Vinyl) - YouTube |
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Loud music ain't good |
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