IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2018-04-25

Time	Nick	Message
00:00	ircSparky	I gues i could make them airlike
00:00	ircSparky	seems not ideal though
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00:20	ircSparky	then again, I could then add back protection without having to reset the map
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08:46	tenplus1	hi folks
08:53	tenplus1	Pova 0.3 - https://github.com/tenplus1/pova (added special functions)
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14:57	tenplus1	hi folks
14:57	Mr-Pardison	cello, hooman
14:57	tenplus1	hey mister :)
15:01	tenplus1	weeeeee
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15:01	tenplus1	wb folks
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15:04	tenplus1	hi lumberJ
15:05	lumberJ	how's it going tenplus1?
15:05	tenplus1	not bad thx, mod tinkering :)) you ?
15:06	lumberJ	good, messing with a love2d project
15:07	tenplus1	kewl :) love2d is pretty sweet..... https://github.com/tenplus1/pova
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15:07	tenplus1	wbs niper
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15:07	tenplus1	hi Jordach
15:16	lumberJ	tenplus1 si this 'finished' or do you plan to add any features, like handling timers on overrides or multiplying them?
15:16	tenplus1	timers are for the mods that use the functions
15:17	tenplus1	multiplication/division should only be done on default level before addition./subtractino layers added
15:17	tenplus1	so yeah, basically it's finished :) it has new default, min, max, force features added to handle all sorts now
15:18	tenplus1	when I get time I'll convert a handful of mods over to using it, see how it handles :)
15:18	lumberJ	so principally this is just to handle the changes in overrides and preserve them for offline players?
15:19	tenplus1	yup, this is a BASE layer to handle changes for any mod... it would have been better included in player mod in default but that's for another time
15:20	tenplus1	my testing has 3d_armor, playerplus, stamina, some potions and beds mod working all ok :)
15:20	lumberJ	looks like a nice clean code base that doesn't overly complicate or bloat a simple task.
15:21	tenplus1	that's what I was hoping for, quick code that's easy to use... e.g. player sleeps in bed: pova.add_override("TenPlus1", "force", {speed = 0, jump = 0}))
15:21	tenplus1	suspends movement until "force" is removed with: pova.del_override("TenPlus1", "force")
15:22	tenplus1	and works with all mods using all effects
15:22	lumberJ	also, importantly, easy to adapt without breaking core functions as game engine evolves
15:23	tenplus1	yeah, it still uses default function but adds to them so mods can safely co-exist
15:23	lumberJ	nice, and suspending player movement works?
15:24	tenplus1	oh yes, the "force" addition puts all defaults and effects in the background and uses what you set until it's removed
15:24	lumberJ	nice
15:24	tenplus1	the min and max put a ceiling and floor on effect numbers so it cant go above or below
15:24	tenplus1	and the "default" lets you set the BASE level to start from which is typically 1, 1, 1 anyway
15:25	tenplus1	time permitting I'll redo the potions mod to use this and have throwable potions for players to mess with
15:28	Jordach	i found an easier way
15:28	tenplus1	do tell ? :P
15:28	Jordach	when the player right cicks the bed
15:28	Jordach	teleport them into the middle of the bed
15:28	Jordach	and then a few moments later after the formspec spawns
15:28	Jordach	teleport them again
15:28	Jordach	that way you don't need to fiddle with any physics
15:29	Jordach	since you can't move while formspecs are active
15:29	tenplus1	yeah, was wondering why bed had physics override anyway since formspecs are in-front when sleeping
15:29	* rdococ	turns into a nuclear unicorn
15:29	tenplus1	ehehe hi rdococ
15:30	ThomasMonroe	hey tenplus1 :)
15:30	rdococ	In real life the bed doesn't tell you that you can only sleep at night
15:31	tenplus1	I changed code for Xanadu so that right-clicking on bed sets spawn point even if player doesnt sleep
15:31	Jordach	tenplus1: i wrote my own beds code in sp
15:31	Jordach	you can sleep at any time of day
15:31	tenplus1	:) even better
15:31	Jordach	(and gives you the ability to use chat)
15:32	tenplus1	really ? dude, why isnt this in default
15:32	Jordach	no commands, however
15:32	Jordach	tenplus1: because fuck Minetest Game
15:32	tenplus1	ahahahahah
15:33	tenplus1	am still using your bucket mod on xanadu btw, works great
15:33	Jordach	you can also define any node as a bed
15:33	Mr-Pardison	so, you could make a chest your bed?
15:33	Jordach	well
15:34	Jordach	by define i mean a custom entry that only uses the beds on_rightclick functionality
15:34	Mr-Pardison	ah
15:34	Jordach	(and the requirement for basic facedir)
15:34	rdococ	It'd be fun to have an acid liquid node
15:34	tenplus1	+100, we need corrosive liquids in-game
15:34	tenplus1	Jordach: may I see your code for beds plz ?
15:34	rdococ	tenplus1: Instead of +100, say +10!
15:34	tenplus1	lol
15:34	rdococ	tenplus1: The ! stands for factorial ;)
15:35	Jordach	https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/tree/mods/beds/init.lua
15:35	Jordach	that link used to work
15:35	tenplus1	not found
15:35	tenplus1	do I need permissions to see ?
15:35	Jordach	https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/tree/master/mods/beds/init.lua
15:35	tenplus1	that works :) thanks
15:37	Jordach	beds.sleep(pos, clicker, 0.4, "beds:red", "beds:red_active") is all you need to define
15:38	Jordach	active is there to prevent others sleeping in the same bed
15:38	tenplus1	that's a good idea, default has 20 ppl slumming it
15:39	Jordach	multiple people can respawn from the same bed
15:39	Jordach	but only one sleeper at a tim
15:39	tenplus1	I like it :) will play with this mod a little
15:39	rdococ	I'd like to see a chemistry mod that adds more metals, acids, and salts formed from the interaction of those metals and acids
15:40	tenplus1	ooh https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20016
15:42	tenplus1	ahh https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19194
15:42	rdococ	ehh
15:49	rdococ	It should also be more survival-oriented and realistic than YouKnowWhatâ„¢ Cash Grab Editionâ„¢ betaâ„¢ chemistry kit
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15:50	tenplus1	hey raven
15:50	Raven262	Hi ten
15:50	rdococ	I wonder if IcyDiamond's melterns modpack has a mod that allows you to register custom inventory liquids (liquids that can be stored in nodes)
15:50	tenplus1	lol @ cash-grab-edition
15:51	rdococ	tenplus1: I brought it when it was still the YouKnowWhatâ„¢ Mobile Portâ„¢ That is Worse than the Originalâ„¢
15:51	tenplus1	I tried the demo version on linux and it almost killed my net-top pc
15:51	tenplus1	fps was pathetic
15:52	rdococ	I was able to get YKW to run on my computer, even if it was a little laggy it was playable
15:52	rdococ	well, "playable" in-so-far as the framerate goes
15:52	tenplus1	much prefer mt :) get better results from game and modding :D
15:53	rdococ	Agreed, in my experience Minetest definitely runs smoother, it's more flexible and open-source
15:53	rdococ	"More flexible" as in you could easily create voxel games that don't even resemble MTG except for the fact that it's on a voxel grid
15:55	rdococ	Not only that but if you're creating a game that takes place on set maps e.g. CTF or Gun Party, then it's extremely intuitive to create said maps
15:55	rdococ	you simply go ingame, build it, and I think the worldedit mod allows you to save it as a schematic if you want to
15:55	tenplus1	I wonder what happened to the UFO game
15:56	Mr-Pardison	government probably took it to area 51
15:56	Jordach	>got shut out of the community for trying to make a buck from FOSS
15:56	Jordach	really activates the almonds
15:56	Jordach	how many GNU/freetards are here
15:56	tenplus1	damn
15:57	rdococ	If you can't make a buck from FOSS then what is the point of trying to advocate it? People that exclusively work on and develop FOSS software would starve
15:57	Jordach	quality costs money idiots, it's why [H]TURD never takes off :^)
15:57	tenplus1	[h]turd ??????
15:57	rdococ	The only way FOSS can overtake proprietary is if you can make a buck from it
15:57	Jordach	GNU Hurd
15:57	Jordach	aka the failure that got sound like 3 years ago
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15:58	Mr-Pardison	get a magician to turn FOSS into a deer ofc.
15:58	tenplus1	hi fussel
15:58	Jordach	virgin HURD and chad Linux
15:58	rdococ	chad?
15:58	IhrFussel	Hi tenplus1 & others :)
15:58	Mr-Pardison	cello IhrFussel
15:59	rdococ	Jordach: I wouldn't be mad at software that is 100% cost-free but I do agree that not all FOSS software should be cost-free
15:59	Jordach	i have an experiment to make at somepoint
15:59	tenplus1	ooh, experiments
16:00	Jordach	a standard MTG server with a handful of mods
16:00	Jordach	the catch is
16:00	Jordach	people who donate to the server get it "bug free"
16:00	Jordach	while people who do not see minor "bugs"
16:00	Mr-Pardison	I'm poor so I couldn't afford that.
16:01	Jordach	at the end of the experiment the original donations are refunded as a test
16:01	Jordach	people equate spending money == quality
16:02	Jordach	many of the tableteers in places with huge install bases such as india obviously won't
16:02	rdococ	Depends on what the bugs are
16:02	Jordach	things sometimes working as expected
16:02	Jordach	or just oddly stop working at random
16:02	tenplus1	donating time in fixing bugs and adding new mods/features is a good start :D
16:02	rdococ	How would that work on a server with both paying and non-paying players?
16:03	Jordach	every node that does a function like a furnace checks against the list of donators
16:03	rdococ	tenplus1: "Pay Â£1 for one bug fix"
16:03	Jordach	ones that have, will have it work as expected
16:03	Jordach	otherwise it'll be slightly faulty
16:04	Jordach	donators would probably also get a custom coloured nick in chat
16:04	Jordach	alongside other cosmetics
16:04	rdococ	I wouldn't mind if Minetest servers gave donators cosmetics but the "faulty for non-donators" thing seems dumb
16:04	tenplus1	hats!!!!!!!!!!!
16:05	Jordach	but the premise is: donating goes towards fixing bugs within minetest and other games using the minetest engine
16:05	Jordach	or see c55's anarchy/order server a while back
16:05	rdococ	Hm, fair enough...?
16:05	Jordach	donating to MT would grant you access to the moderated area
16:06	tenplus1	you'll get players who donate that expect to become instant admin
16:06	rdococ	Donations should never result in instant admin
16:06	Jordach	tenplus1: not anymore since YKW had EULA upgrades :^)
16:06	rdococ	Except if it's at least Â£1 million
16:06	Jordach	they know better now :)
16:06	tenplus1	lol
16:07	Jordach	you could tier it
16:07	rdococ	I know YKW has/had an EULA in place preventing servers from essentially being p2w
16:07	Jordach	Â£3 gets you a decorative node, Â£5 gets you a custom machine or furnace like object or chest
16:07	rdococ	Â£1,000,000 gets you a real life yacht and admin privileges
16:07	Jordach	kek
16:08	Jordach	most server ops like rubenwardy's CTF could make quite a buck if donations were enabled for cosmetics
16:08	rdococ	$2.5 billion gets you YKW
16:08	Jordach	kek
16:08	Jordach	based Notch shitposting in the distance
16:09	Jordach	and most F2P players like me in TF2 crack out the wallet for cosmetics
16:09	Jordach	i have a need for a e s t h e t i c s
16:09	Jordach	(no really, i have that problem in warframe already, send help)
16:09	rdococ	I don't, but whatever floats your boat
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16:10	tenplus1	I do like adding things that players recommend/want, but I wouldnt like to charge for it
16:10	Jordach	this is simply a thought experiment
16:10	rdococ	tenplus1: Maybe donation goals with promised features once reached?
16:10	Jordach	baseline is, people equate spent money to quality product
16:11	tenplus1	that forces a timescale
16:11	rdococ	That's kinda like charging for it but more fair to people that can't afford it
16:11	tenplus1	and then devs./modders get annoyed
16:11	rdococ	tenplus1: You could only set up the goals when the features are finished if you want
16:11	rdococ	e.g. you finish the yay blob mod and then set a donation goal to add yay blobs to the server
16:11	rdococ	That way nobody's constrained by time
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16:12	Jordach	at some point i'm thinking of adding donations for extra rewards
16:12	rdococ	tenplus1: Of course, that should only apply for extra things that you develop yourself, as opposed to things like mesecons that are already on other servers
16:12	Jordach	specifically for SP
16:13	Jordach	but at some point i am most definitely removing wardrobe
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16:24	Mr_Pardison	I'm not a thief but I suppose that one could adapt to gathering loot.
16:25	shivajiva	nice desensitisation therapy lol
16:25	tenplus1	throwable florbs containing acid... eek
16:26	Mr_Pardison	you can melt someone.
16:26	shivajiva	we need a moped mod clearly
16:26	Mr_Pardison	hydrochloric acidwould dissolve them completely, leaving no items behind
16:26	rdococ	There would also be bases
16:27	rdococ	eg. sodium bicarbonate
16:27	Mr_Pardison	ofc as it would allow you to get around a very large build faster (0r over flat terrain)
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16:27	rdococ	And bypass protection to reign corrosive tyranny over your new enemies' builds
16:28	rdococ	^ jk that shouldn't be in the mod
16:28	Mr_Pardison	that would be interesting to see if it were (but would be akin to anarchy)
16:30	rdococ	solar plains has some weird-looking stone
16:30	tenplus1	textures or some special stone ?
16:31	rdococ	Texturea
16:31	rdococ	s/texturea/textures/
16:32	tenplus1	ahh... heh :) each server should have it's own look
16:32	rdococ	Also, I was in a desert-like area and went into a grassy area but temperature is below freezing
16:34	rdococ	Although now it's decreasing... maybe just a cold morning?
16:34	rdococ	s/dec/inc/
16:34	tenplus1	chilly nights in them there deserts :D
16:35	rdococ	Although it is a nice breath of fresh air compared to MTG
16:36	tenplus1	:P
16:37	rdococ	A breath of fresh, cold, below freezing air
16:37	rdococ	Luckily, sprinting seems to heat me up
16:38	tenplus1	temp would be good in-game :)
16:42	tenplus1	clothes can have a heat value to keep you warm, same with standing next to hot nodes :D
16:43	Mr_Pardison	lava bath.
16:43	rdococ	wait, there's ironze in it?
16:43	rdococ	what even is ironze
16:45	rdococ	Hm, maybe they replaced the tin in the recipe with iron to make it simpler
16:46	rdococ	well, compared to MTG's bronze
16:46	tenplus1	ironze = apple bronze :P
16:46	rdococ	I am sad that cacti doesn't hurt you
16:47	rdococ	It's a cactus, it should hurt you
16:47	tenplus1	it doesn when you have playerplus installed :DDD same with suffocation
16:49	rdococ	playerplus requires MTG's default mod
16:49	rdococ	I'm using solar plains
16:50	tenplus1	does solar plains have default:snow default:ice default:cactus ?
16:51	rdococ	no, it's not based on MTG
16:51	tenplus1	it uses core: instead of default:
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16:55	tenplus1	playerplus updated, default no longer required as dependency
16:55	Jordach	kek
16:55	Jordach	basing everything on MTG was a mistake
16:55	tenplus1	but, to work with SP change default: to core: for nodes
16:56	Jordach	most of the names are the same
16:56	Jordach	some are technically BFD with a new coat of paint and don't support 0.4.6
16:56	Jordach	;)
17:02	Jordach	also, BSD > Linux jk
17:03	Jordach	ðŸ˜‚
17:03	tenplus1	heh
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17:04	tenplus1	hi tumeninodes
17:04	tumeninodes	haha damn you're quick, Hi tenplus1
17:04	Jordach	11 is like that
17:04	tenplus1	o/ :P
17:04	tumeninodes	hey Jordach
17:04	Jordach	ðŸ˜‚
17:04	Mr-Pardison	speedy 12-1
17:05	tenplus1	gotta go fast
17:05	tumeninodes	in other news, Kenney has been quite busy https://twitter.com/Pixelandio
17:05	rdococ	recursion > recursion
17:05	tumeninodes	.... ugh, phone brb
17:06	Jordach	inb4 i end up as part of Kenney's group with SP
17:06	tenplus1	pah! need to sign in to read it properly
17:06	* rdococ	turns into twelve
17:06	* ThomasMonroe	assumes a Mexican boy's voice for a lawn mower race
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17:06	Mr_Pardison	transport closed on me.
17:06	Mr_Pardison	guh.
17:06	ThomasMonroe	'ello my name is Weedy Gonzalez :P
17:06	tenplus1	wb
17:07	Mr_Pardison	XD & T.Hanks
17:09	tenplus1	lol, weedy... hi thomas
17:10	Jordach	mmm
17:11	Jordach	recliner chair + blanket + macbook + headphones
17:11	Mr_Pardison	+ nap
17:11	Mr_Pardison	s/+/=
17:12	* Jordach	instead turns up the bass
17:12	tenplus1	up to 11 :P
17:13	Mr_Pardison	so, you? :P
17:14	* rdococ	generates yay energy
17:15	* tenplus1	feels the yay
17:15	* rdococ	explodes into yay radiation which mutates humans into yay blobs
17:16	Jordach	nay
17:17	rdococ	Jordach has yayed
17:17	* Mr_Pardison	is a hooman
17:17	rdococ	The yay infestation is here
17:18	Jordach	ðŸ¤”
17:18	Jordach	ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”ðŸ¤”
17:18	rdococ	YouKnowWhatâ„¢ Cash Grab Editionâ„¢ Betaâ„¢
17:18	Jordach	but at least the mobile app isn't literal cancer
17:19	Jordach	it at least works properly
17:19	rdococ	Which mobile app are you talking about?
17:19	rdococ	as far as I know, both Minetest 0.5's and YKWCGE's mobile apps work, with the former working better
17:19	Jordach	kek
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17:22	Fixer	[VAP] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2pwDuCW_U
17:23	tenplus1	le click
17:23	rdococ	VAP?
17:27	tenplus1	Very Agressive Player
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17:27	tenplus1	hey Krock
17:27	Krock	hi tenplus1
17:27	Krock	>> SPEEDY <<
17:27	tenplus1	:P
17:28	Krock	ah man. The logs show that you were faster again :'(
17:28	tenplus1	sorry dude, my keyboard is magix
17:28	Krock	ikr :D
17:28	tenplus1	https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0013/7202/products/sony-vegas-keyboard-backlit-pc-28779860234.jpg?v=1512488356
17:29	Shara	Hi tenplus1 :)
17:29	Shara	(you only beat him by sneaking in)
17:29	tenplus1	ehe, hey shara :D
17:29	Mr_Pardison	true.
17:29	Krock	the more colors, the faster your typing speed
17:29	Shara	(it's the real reason I never leave the channel!!)
17:29	Krock	Shara, forgot to hold Shift
17:29	tenplus1	yeah, am at 228wpm now :D
17:29	Shara	Hehe
17:29	Mr_Pardison	!!!
17:29	Krock	wow nice
17:30	tenplus1	I added some new features to pova shara, has min/max/default/force now
17:30	Shara	ohhhh
17:30	tenplus1	covers all sorts of things now :D
17:31	Shara	I will have to do a proper review of it at some point
17:32	Shara	I'm wondering if I should sneak the apples mod onto DL at some point, or maybe wait to see if you add this for everything in ethereal first :P
17:32	tenplus1	defo sneak it onto DL, would be an amazing feature to discover :D
17:32	Shara	I'm sure Mr_Pardison would figure it out :)
17:32	tenplus1	ehehehe
17:33	Mr_Pardison	I'm pretty good at finding stuff.
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17:33	tenplus1	hey benrob
17:33	Mr_Pardison	hola benrob0329
17:33	benrob0329	hey ten
17:33	Jordach	ping
17:33	benrob0329	Jordach, pong
17:33	Jordach	>plebian
17:33	Jordach	real men use gentoo
17:33	tenplus1	nuuuuuu, not gnome3
17:34	Jordach	benrob0329: don't make me move michigan further north
17:34	benrob0329	Jordach, Gentoo is like my lawnmower
17:34	benrob0329	Its good and reliable, until something breaks
17:34	Mr_Pardison	loud and smelly?
17:35	tenplus1	lol...
17:35	benrob0329	then its more of a pain than it should be to fix, but once it is it runs better than anything else I've seen.
17:35	tenplus1	installed IceWM on 1804 to test, I keep going back to that for some reason, it's so simple
17:35	benrob0329	until it breaks again
17:35	Krock	benrob0329, mind giving me some of that RAM?
17:35	tenplus1	16gb aint bad... am sitting with 4gb only after xmas upgrade from 2 :P
17:36	benrob0329	Krock, sorry, DDR4 doesn't work on decade old computers :P
17:36	Krock	downgrade to DDR3
17:36	tenplus1	DDR17 is better
17:36	Krock	17!
17:36	tenplus1	rdoc's future self got me some
17:36	Krock	whoa it's a factorial
17:38	benrob0329	I don't know which is more of a meme, hating systemd or hating Gnome3
17:38	benrob0329	or hating Pulseaudio
17:38	tumeninodes	cinnamon = is da way
17:39	tenplus1	pulseaudio has redeemed itself... gnome3 is the new hate
17:39	benrob0329	I honestly think cinnamon is less customizable than gnome3 nowadays
17:39	tenplus1	tumeninodes: you kno da wae
17:39	tumeninodes	nad as far as following Kenney, I don't use Twitter either but follow him here n there via blog n whutnot. I guess he sold his house to buy the new office and lives in an apt above
17:39	tenplus1	xfce is really good and fast, lxde.lxqt are gaining more popularoty
17:40	tumeninodes	Ohhhhh, I kno da wae alright
17:40	benrob0329	People love to hate that gnome relies on extentions for customization, but love minetest because of mode ðŸ¤”
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17:40	benrob0329	*mods
17:40	tenplus1	hi Helmasur
17:40	Krock	tenplus1, they can't reply
17:40	tumeninodes	cinnamon is more customizable..., if you has skillz ; )
17:40	rdococ	everything can be customized with enough skillz
17:41	tenplus1	aww.... tumeninodes try IceWM sometime :) it's tiny
17:41	Krock	inb4 moderated channel here
17:41	Mr-Pardison	methinks tenplus1 has a script that just says hi to everyone
17:41	benrob0329	tumeninodes, can cinnamon go from windows-like to mac-like in under a minute?
17:41	tumeninodes	been there done that years ago [Ice]
17:41	tenplus1	lol, I've been found out... quick hibot, run....
17:41	tumeninodes	check themes online
17:41	benrob0329	in layout
17:41	tenplus1	I use Triskel theme on IceWM, looks great
17:42	benrob0329	I know the GTK themes exist, i've used them
17:42	tumeninodes	good lord, is Ice even still maintained?
17:42	tenplus1	kinda wish there was a gtk3 for ThinIce... was my fav. theme
17:42	tenplus1	yeah, and it's been updated
17:43	tumeninodes	I am unsure about Mac or Win layouts..., I don't like them :P
17:43	tumeninodes	... updated... (when)? last commit
17:43	tenplus1	icewm 1.4.3.0 pre 201802
17:43	tumeninodes	well that's good anyway
17:44	tenplus1	custom menu, toolbar, has net/cpu/temp graphs built-in and all is good
17:44	tenplus1	140mb memory sitting on desktiop :D
17:44	tumeninodes	E17 is lighter
17:44	tumeninodes	but whacked
17:44	tenplus1	e17/e19 is amazing but yeah, so many options
17:45	benrob0329	tumeninodes, https://upload.totallynotashadyweb.site/f.php?h=1W5yCXJx&p=1
17:45	tumeninodes	still no real cohesion to the madness though
17:45	benrob0329	enlightenment has a lot of unmaintained bits that don't work anymore
17:46	tumeninodes	I used to love blackbox
17:46	tenplus1	http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1371/718938180_8aa0ee8835_o.jpg icewm
17:46	tumeninodes	benrob, so true. Interest comes and goes in that arena
17:46	tenplus1	bb was amazing... I had bblean for winxp that was great, replaced whole desktop and used only 7zip as fm
17:47	tenplus1	the themes were great and very configurable... kinda wish gtk had a bb style theme
17:47	benrob0329	tenplus1, not even urxvt?
17:47	tenplus1	lol, I use lxterm and pcmanfm mostly :D
17:48	tumeninodes	Ice, still looks... Nice
17:48	tenplus1	that's only 1 theme, can make it look like almost any os... for a simple wm
17:48	tumeninodes	speaking of lx, lxde is pretty nice too
17:49	tenplus1	+100, using that on other desky :)
17:49	tenplus1	https://imgur.com/a/X8rqs screny
17:49	tumeninodes	so clean and minimal
17:50	Jordach	ew
17:50	tumeninodes	nice desktop btw
17:50	tenplus1	yup :) so much workflow happening on that system
17:50	Jordach	then again, i run everything on mac fullscreen with no dock or titlebars
17:50	tumeninodes	hahaha Jordach the rebel
17:50	tenplus1	jordach loves alt+tab
17:50	tumeninodes	CLI
17:51	Jordach	tenplus1: i much prefer three fingers to swipe between open apps or three fingers upwards
17:51	Jordach	goddamn fullscreened virtual desktops are magic
17:51	tenplus1	:P got vbox on 1 desktop to itself when needed, handy
17:51	tumeninodes	"right-click to".... (looks at Mac mouse) :'(
17:52	Jordach	double tap or use the bottom right of the touchpad
17:52	tumeninodes	pssssh too much
17:52	tumeninodes	iz so herd!!!
17:52	benrob0329	I'll stick with my headphone jacks thank you very much :P
17:52	tumeninodes	omagerd
17:52	tenplus1	prefer kb alternative :P grew up in age when pc's had no mouse
17:52	Jordach	>macbooks have headphone ports
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17:53	tenplus1	hi Gael-de-Sailly
17:53	benrob0329	>supporting a company that took out functionality with no alternative that doesn't suck
17:53	tumeninodes	"Mac put the P in proprietary"
17:54	tenplus1	love the yt video where the guy buys a new iphone and installs his own headphone jack that works :D
17:54	tumeninodes	yet voids the warranty
17:54	tenplus1	jacks are handy
17:55	tumeninodes	I sat on some jacks once as a kid... it was not so handy, or comfortable
17:55	tenplus1	4 or 6 arms ? 6 is more comfy
17:55	tumeninodes	heh
17:57	tumeninodes	wow... just looking, last BB release was 12 years ago o_0
17:57	tenplus1	I think openbox and fluxbox were latest renditions
17:58	tumeninodes	forks n sporks
17:58	Mr-Pardison	I prefer a salad fork.
17:58	tenplus1	open is in lxde which is good, flux has it's own systembar
17:58	benrob0329	OpenBox is pretty good as far as non-compositing WMs go
17:58	tumeninodes	the flux capacitor tends to be glitchy
17:59	tenplus1	openbox has compton which has compositing :) special effects all around
17:59	Mr-Pardison	tumeninodes: ask doc brown ti fix it.
17:59	tumeninodes	OpenBox is still active I believe
17:59	tumeninodes	doc!
17:59	tenplus1	very much so, lxde is based on it, lxqt also
18:00	tumeninodes	I have been meaning to try lxqt out
18:00	tenplus1	lubuntu-next iso's are available...
18:00	tumeninodes	does anyone remember the Athene DE? and their free WM?
18:01	tenplus1	never used that one, any good ?
18:01	tumeninodes	Athene OS was unfree but they put out a WM which I played with for a bit back in.... 2007-ish?
18:02	tumeninodes	it was fun, quite cartoony/kidish visually (icons n such)
18:02	rubenwardy	https://i.rubenwardy.com/zQGs6.png
18:02	tenplus1	looks like a netbook desktop
18:02	rubenwardy	60,000,000 photons simulated there
18:02	tumeninodes	but was quick and stable but then died out
18:02	tenplus1	ooh nice
18:03	rdococ	backziesâ„¢
18:03	Mr-Pardison	very nice.
18:03	tenplus1	latest Qt review says it's 200% faster in operation
18:03	tenplus1	ooh
18:03	Jordach	QT is great
18:04	tenplus1	it'll take over gtk slow but sure
18:04	tumeninodes	rubenwardy, how long are these simulations taking?
18:04	rdococ	Hm, I wonder what the word "Microsoft" describes ;)
18:04	rubenwardy	took 8 minutes to render that - that includes precomputation and actual rendering
18:04	rubenwardy	precomputation is firing all 60 million photons and recording where they end up
18:04	tenplus1	science!!!!
18:05	rubenwardy	yes!!!
18:05	Mr-Pardison	physics!
18:05	tumeninodes	Microsoft = the eaxact opposite of the company business plan on 2 counts
18:05	tumeninodes	-a
18:05	rubenwardy	it takes only 10 seconds to simulate 1 million photons though
18:06	tenplus1	swap prolly kicks in after 1 million and slows it all down
18:06	tumeninodes	but, what are you going to do with all those photons when the lesson is finished?
18:07	tumeninodes	60,000,000 orphaned/refugee photons, in the world, where will they go?
18:07	tenplus1	sprinkle them on donuts
18:07	tumeninodes	phonuts? 0_o
18:07	tenplus1	om nom nom... tastes like science
18:08	tumeninodes	hey... you're going all staticky
18:08	benrob0329	tbh, I don't really like Qt most of the time
18:08	* tenplus1	splits into colours
18:08	Mr-Pardison	tastes like very fast food.
18:08	Mr-Pardison	and kind of wavy too.
18:08	tumeninodes	QT is the future... global domination
18:09	rubenwardy	Also, to render that image it took 3.7GB of ram
18:09	tenplus1	Qt is supposidly easier to write for, faster and more optimized than gtk
18:09	rdococ	I can't wait for communism_game
18:09	benrob0329	GObject is the future, language independent bindings ftw :P
18:09	tenplus1	lol rdococ, red and blue sides
18:10	benrob0329	tenplus1, if you can find bindings, and on top of that find bindings that don't suck
18:10	Mr-Pardison	rdococ: comrade, we need more vodka!
18:10	tenplus1	MUI was only 86kb and a very configurable gui for desktops, but is paid
18:10	benrob0329	and then if you want a plugin interface you have to create binding for that for the language you want
18:10	tumeninodes	less costs more
18:11	tenplus1	kinda like blackbox with colours, lines, gradients etc. but also uses bitmaps :) very configurable gui where each app could have it's own style./theme
18:12	tenplus1	http://forum.amiga.sk/image/AmiKit8/mui4.png
18:12	tumeninodes	amiga is still kicking... nostalgists keep it alive on life support
18:13	tenplus1	AmigaOS 4.1 is available now :) looks good
18:13	tumeninodes	heh OS2
18:13	tumeninodes	yep I have seen that
18:14	Jordach	tenplus1: https://i.imgur.com/JDI3dSH.png
18:14	Fixer	CHA CHA
18:14	Jordach	and when i'm flipping through my fullscreen virtual desktops https://i.imgur.com/QTYu3Xp.png
18:14	tenplus1	heh, neat...
18:15	tenplus1	http://www.m4rko.com/amiga/gfx/screenshots.of.amigaos/20150605-AmigaOS%204.1%20FE-Update%208-Workbench-AOS4.1u8.png
18:15	Jordach	motorold 80040 amigas were macs with more horsepower
18:15	Mr-Pardison	Jordach: senor whiskers looking at you expecting food as the desktop?
18:16	tenplus1	at that point in time AmigaOS was better than macos and had mroe features than pc's at the same era
18:16	Jordach	Mr-Pardison: probably about 8 months old in the picture
18:16	tenplus1	AGA graphics was mind blowing
18:16	Jordach	too right
18:17	Jordach	until doom rolled it's sleeves up
18:17	rdococ	Hm, you could probably monitor positions in an ABM to determine when a new ABM step has begun
18:17	Jordach	tenplus1: if you see pages open i might be working on a certain SP Lore book
18:17	Jordach	;)
18:17	tenplus1	will slowly move amb's to nodetimers for my mods over time
18:17	rdococ	Depends if the ABMs are done in order though
18:18	* tumeninodes	had a Spark 0_o
18:18	tenplus1	fire!!!!
18:18	rdococ	Node timers are different to ABMs though since they're per-node
18:18	rdococ	Meaning that if cellular automata used it, cells could be out of sync with eachother
18:18	Mr-Pardison	have to hop, brb
18:19	tenplus1	gotta find a way to make mobs spawn without abm's
18:19	Jordach	rdococ: you can cheat
18:19	tenplus1	was thinking globalstep around player
18:19	Jordach	if ABMs are out of sync
18:20	Shara	Ten, is that really better?
18:20	tenplus1	I have a routine in mind that runs once only and can spawn ANY mod
18:20	tenplus1	*mob
18:20	rdococ	Jordach: ABMs being out of sync would be weird
18:20	Shara	I guess it depends how many nodes you are checking
18:20	tenplus1	instead of an abm per mob
18:20	Jordach	then have a mod wide frame count
18:20	Jordach	aka count up to a certain value and then keep going
18:20	Jordach	if some automata are on frame 2 where it's been evaluated and some are frame 1
18:21	Jordach	evaluate the frame 1 but leave the frame 2 cells
18:21	rdococ	If the ABM doesn't take too long, you could probably use system uptime to determine when a new ABM step begins
18:22	rdococ	Say you start with a stored uptime value of 0. on each node, if the current uptime minus the stored uptime value is large enough then you know a new ABM step has begun and you update the stored uptime variable
18:23	tenplus1	wont writing meta slow things down further ?
18:23	rdococ	It wouldn't be stored in meta, it would be a mod-wide variable in lua
18:23	tenplus1	ahh
18:23	rdococ	I wonder how the core manages it when an ABM takes longer than 1 second to complete
18:24	rdococ	say it has a step of 1 second but takes longer than 1 second to run
18:24	rdococ	s/step/interval/
18:25	tenplus1	I wonder if nodes listed for abm has a check against it so it knows when running/finished
18:26	tenplus1	wait, wasnt there an issue/idea on how to optimize abm's added
18:27	tenplus1	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7280
18:27	tenplus1	!title
18:27	MinetestBot	tenplus1: Possible (massive) ABM performance impact reduction Â· Issue #7280 Â· minetest/minetest Â· GitHub
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18:28	tenplus1	wb mister
18:29	tumeninodes	I wonder when Minetest will get a build for this :P https://www.oracle.com/solaris/solaris11/index.html
18:30	tenplus1	shudder will stick with linux
18:30	Mr-Pardison	MT should bet a build for Solus
18:30	tumeninodes	"My name, is Mr-Pardison... but my friends call me, Mr-Pardison"
18:30	tenplus1	lol
18:30	tumeninodes	Solaris is extremely secure
18:31	tenplus1	what's the hardware support like
18:31	Mr-Pardison	my name is Alexander Hamilton but my friends call me Mr-Pardison
18:31	tenplus1	o.O
18:31	tenplus1	did you just doxx yourself
18:31	tumeninodes	ten "proprietary" :D j/k
18:31	rdococ	Yays
18:32	tumeninodes	http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/hcl/hcl-oracle-systems-sparc-results-view-page-1520059.html
18:32	Mr-Pardison	tenplus1: I'm referencing something.
18:32	tenplus1	ohhhh, phew :P
18:33	tenplus1	only alex hamilton I know is american founding father
18:33	Mr-Pardison	that's the one.
18:33	tenplus1	ooh, nice :P
18:33	tumeninodes	There are quite a few in the Phone Directories
18:33	lumberJ	Mr-Pardison, what did you you mean "bet" a build for Solus?
18:34	Mr-Pardison	oh lol
18:34	Mr-Pardison	speed typing caused that error.
18:34	Mr-Pardison	meant get
18:34	lumberJ	ok thought so
18:34	* tenplus1	used an old sparc setup and didnt like it
18:34	lumberJ	mt is already in Solus' repo
18:34	lumberJ	0.4.16
18:34	tumeninodes	hey now, I had one and loved it
18:35	tumeninodes	ultra5 babay
18:35	tenplus1	heh, was slow compared to other systems I used at the time
18:35	lumberJ	i also posted in the forums the packages needed to compile on Solus a couple weeks or so ago
18:36	tenplus1	http://www.itinstock.com/ekmps/shops/itinstock/images/Sun-Ultra-Enterprise-450-4x-Ultra-Sparc-400Mhz-512MB-DDS3-Tape-Drive-Server-31150-p.jpg
18:36	lumberJ	mt forum*
18:36	tenplus1	that's the one I used
18:36	tumeninodes	solid server
18:37	tenplus1	true, was ok for 400mhz
18:38	tumeninodes	newest oracle machines are actually right there with PC and Mac but spensive and basically serves to corp end use
18:39	tenplus1	oh yeah, this held financial and purchasing databases on it for the place I worked... got VERY hot also
18:39	tumeninodes	Clean room and full on A/C
18:40	tenplus1	funny to think a raspberry pi has more power and only needs 2 watts instead of 500watts to run
18:40	tumeninodes	pi's are still not as mainstream as it was hoped to be though
18:41	tenplus1	they brought a standard in small board pc's... I like that :) the asus tinkerboard is really good tho
18:42	tumeninodes	I have to start getting ready for an appt, then some graphics and modding laterz
18:43	tenplus1	:P have fun
18:54	tenplus1	hi fussel, phone working ok now ?
19:09	IhrFussel	tenplus1, As far as I can tell it behaves normally when the screen is turned on, but can behave falsely when it's turned off (big drop in % or skipping %)
19:10	IhrFussel	Everything right now points to an OS bug that only happens in stand-by
19:10	tenplus1	strange issue... still under warranty ?
19:11	IhrFussel	It's 2 months old
19:11	tenplus1	damn, what kinda phone ?
19:11	IhrFussel	Krock, so is it normal for it to jump around in voltage below 10%?
19:12	Krock	IhrFussel, totally normal. you won't get reliable measure results there
19:12	Krock	and somewhen the underload protection kicks in and the phone is ded
19:13	IhrFussel	2% was @ 3585mV and 1% @ 3447 mV
19:14	Krock	http://siliconlightworks.com/image/data/Info_Pages/Li-ion%20Discharge%20Voltage%20Curve%20Typical.jpg
19:14	IhrFussel	Krock, and is it normal (when charging) that the voltage goes high very quickly? It's already 3730mV now again @ 8%
19:15	Krock	I believe your 1% equals something like 10% of the actual charge to not destroy the accumulator
19:15	Krock	IhrFussel, when it goes down fast, it'll go up fast in reverse.. seems logical
19:16	IhrFussel	But I mean when not charging it reaches 3.8 V @ ~ 50% ... when charging it reaches that way earlier...like at 30
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19:16	tenplus1	shoudl always charge a phone when 60% or more on battery
19:16	Krock	uh well I could try to explain that but tbh it's better for me to do my last work and go off here. bai peeps
19:17	Krock	* go off here and do my last work
19:20	IhrFussel	I just wanna know if that's nothing to worry about... when my battery voltage reaches 3.8V on charge earlier and "stalls" kinda until the % reach a higher number
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19:22	tenplus1	wb Jordach
19:56	tenplus1	nite folks o/
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20:02	Mr-Pardison	g2g cya
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20:59	Fixer	a c c u m u l a t o r
21:18	Fixer	this is NICE http://wiki.sk89q.com/wiki/CraftBook
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22:12	Mr_Pardison	sup
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22:25	Fixer	[gate] [bridge] on signs noted
22:25	Fixer	right clicking activates
22:25	Fixer	also can be active on player approach
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22:29	Fixer	custom text in chat when activated (if needed): gate moved, etc
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