| Time |
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| 02:36 |
Sokomine |
hm. i'm having considerable trouble with latest mineclone2 |
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| 12:13 |
TommyTreasure |
does anyone know why the irc mod has all of a sudden replaced "n" with "\n". i updated about 15 mods 2 nights ago, and have no idea what to look for |
| 12:13 |
TommyTreasure |
the irc mod was not one of the updated mods |
| 12:14 |
TommyTreasure |
happens on any command to the game bot |
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| 13:34 |
Krock |
Quality code https://github.com/BRNSystems/chemistry/blob/master/core.lua#L73 |
| 13:37 |
sfan5 |
oof |
| 13:43 |
rubenwardy |
god, so many globals |
| 13:51 |
Krock |
what's an array |
| 13:54 |
rubenwardy |
<Lua> I have no idea |
| 13:57 |
rubenwardy |
https://rwdy.uk/ws4dk.png |
| 14:06 |
TommyTreasure |
array comes after ado, and before ami |
| 14:08 |
Krock |
adoarrayami |
| 14:08 |
Krock |
???? |
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| 16:13 |
TommyTreasure |
bad musical humor sorry |
| 16:43 |
celeron55 |
so |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
buttons? |
| 16:43 |
Krock |
Trivago! |
| 16:43 |
celeron55 |
what do people think of bridging one of our channels to discord, as a separate discord channel |
| 16:43 |
celeron55 |
for example this one |
| 16:44 |
Krock |
depends. how big is the Discord channel? |
| 16:44 |
celeron55 |
umm... zero? |
| 16:44 |
rubenwardy |
raises issues of cross-moderation, I think, if you're referring to UMTD |
| 16:44 |
Krock |
ah. I thought you were referring to the unofficial one |
| 16:44 |
celeron55 |
anyone on the discord server could talk here then |
| 16:45 |
celeron55 |
but only if they talk on the hypotethically added #minetest-hub channel there |
| 16:45 |
DS-minetest |
Can you make them here us but us not them? Like only bridging from irc to discord, but not vice versa? |
| 16:46 |
celeron55 |
moderation of IRC users would be up to IRC moderators and moderation of discord users up to the UMTD staff |
| 16:46 |
celeron55 |
DS-minetest: why? |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
you could ignore the bridge in that case |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
##minetest-ctf contains an example of a bridge |
| 16:47 |
celeron55 |
in any case, i've discussed with GreenXenith and we have the means of trying this out |
| 16:47 |
celeron55 |
as long as people agree |
| 16:47 |
DS-minetest |
I'm afraid of discord users writing some weird messages that only look nice for them, like embedding images. |
| 16:47 |
Krock |
AFAIK images are redirected as direct URLs |
| 16:48 |
Krock |
like any other attachment |
| 16:48 |
celeron55 |
embedded images can also be disabled |
| 16:48 |
DS-minetest |
Hm, well then it will be fine I guess. |
| 16:48 |
celeron55 |
as it's a special channel with no discord-only traffic |
| 16:48 |
celeron55 |
but i'd assume those do work |
| 16:48 |
celeron55 |
what won't work is reactions and other very discordy stuff |
| 16:50 |
celeron55 |
the reasoning for this is that the unofficial discord is starting to have more people than these channels, and it tears the community apart too much |
| 16:51 |
celeron55 |
abandoning IRC is out of the question, and for the discord users abandoning discord is equally out of the question |
| 16:51 |
celeron55 |
and MT would benefit if they were more united |
| 16:52 |
celeron55 |
there aren't many ways to go about this; the only thing that can be done is a bridge of some sort |
| 16:53 |
celeron55 |
unless the division of the community is seemed as being fine |
| 16:53 |
celeron55 |
seen as* |
| 16:54 |
celeron55 |
i think bridging is necessary if the discord is to be called official one day, as that would direct even more people there instead of IRC |
| 16:58 |
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| 17:00 |
celeron55 |
well, i propose that a test period of 1 week will begin once setting up the bridge is complete, and after the week we'll do a vote within IRC users about whether the bridge is a good idea or not |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
sounds good |
| 17:02 |
celeron55 |
well, one thing still: #-dev might be a better channel for this test |
| 17:02 |
celeron55 |
as it's quite unique to IRC and very important in development |
| 17:02 |
rubenwardy |
errr |
| 17:02 |
rubenwardy |
definitely limit the users on the Discord side |
| 17:03 |
celeron55 |
well yeah, i guess most discord users don't have much to say or learn from it |
| 17:04 |
celeron55 |
well i'm ok with #-hub |
| 17:04 |
Krock |
I'm not a fan of bridging -dev. it should be kept to developers only |
| 17:04 |
celeron55 |
are you saying there can't be any developers on discord? |
| 17:05 |
Krock |
I'd like to point out that the discord channel would need limiting, like -dev to prevent guests or spambots |
| 17:05 |
Krock |
I'd say -dev is kinda hidden for the public, whereas it would be a single click away for people to ask non-related questions |
| 17:06 |
sfan5 |
I think part of the concern is random people wandering in (accidentally or not) and doing whatever that isn't development related |
| 17:06 |
sfan5 |
yeah |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
^ that |
| 17:06 |
sfan5 |
with discord's audience that's also more likely to happen |
| 17:06 |
celeron55 |
well, the unofficial discord does have for example the "core developers" group (or whatever it's called) |
| 17:07 |
sfan5 |
experimenting with a discord bridge for -hub is a good idea though IMO |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
i don't even know if anyone other than rubenwardy is in it |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
but limiting talking to that group could work |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
or some other non-newbie group |
| 17:07 |
rubenwardy |
You can make channels readonly in Discord |
| 17:07 |
rubenwardy |
-dev should be readonly |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
do you think including a read-only -dev as part of the 1-week test would make sense? |
| 17:08 |
rubenwardy |
you can also have a "voice"-like priv that allows people to talk on an otherwise readonly channel |
| 17:08 |
rubenwardy |
but I think being totally readonly would be better |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
to IRC users it being read-only on discord would be practically invisible |
| 17:08 |
rubenwardy |
sure |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
but that would be quite interesting on the discord side |
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| 20:37 |
MTDiscord |
<{$username}> Is this thing on? |
| 20:37 |
MTDiscord |
<{$username}> Ah shit |
| 20:38 |
rubenwardy |
I hope you're not making your own bridge |
| 20:38 |
GreenXenith |
I'm not |
| 20:38 |
GreenXenith |
Im using reactiflux/discord-irc |
| 20:38 |
GreenXenith |
But I forgot I made a modification because it doesn't support using usernames rather than nicknames |
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| 20:43 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Test two: electric boogaloo |
| 20:43 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> There we go |
| 20:45 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Time to open the floodgates |
| 20:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> ? |
| 20:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Lone_Wolf> :hypereyes: |
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| 20:49 |
MTDiscord |
<Apelta> uh oh |
| 20:49 |
rubenwardy |
oh noes |
| 20:49 |
MTDiscord |
<Lone_Wolf> May need to change the join messages but ? |
| 20:49 |
MTDiscord |
<ChaosWormz> Woah so now we can be both on discord and chat? |
| 20:49 |
CWz |
Seems so. |
| 20:51 |
CWz |
Oh no? |
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| 20:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Well this should be interesting, hello hub-goers |
| 20:52 |
CWz |
I wonder if VanessaE's channel would be added as well |
| 20:53 |
Lone_Wolf |
Might be better to do that on her own Discord |
| 20:54 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Relay going down for a minute or two whilst I do one last config |
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| 20:59 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> And we're live |
| 21:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ooh, interesting |
| 21:00 |
Lone_Wolf |
wb |
| 21:00 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> @rubenwardy I didnt choose the channel ? |
| 21:02 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I'm guessing when the channel was chosen, it was decided with the foreknowledge that there would be no restriction on the Discord side of who could speak |
| 21:02 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> So this is #minetest-hub now? |
| 21:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> But Discord requires accounts anyways |
| 21:02 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> If requested, I can make a role for chat perms |
| 21:03 |
VanessaE |
CWz: I have no interest in discord, but iirc there is an unofficial one for my servers, I think deezl maintains it? |
| 21:03 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Why's there a VanessaE bot? |
| 21:03 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Does the bot change it's nick or something? |
| 21:03 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Have you forgotten how webhooks work |
| 21:04 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> oh no, there's no reactions |
| 21:04 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> madness |
| 21:04 |
celeron55 |
it's a good point that there's some difference in moderation, let's keep in mind that the bridge could be on #minetest instead if it ends up more suitable |
| 21:04 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Hmm, this does not seem to be working properly |
| 21:04 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Anyone speaking from IRC will be displayed with a [BOT] flare because its a webhook |
| 21:04 |
VanessaE |
I ain't a bot :P |
| 21:04 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Yeah, but when I click on Lone_Wolf, it tells me VanessaE, confusing, ain't it? |
| 21:04 |
celeron55 |
*beep boop* |
| 21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> And yes, reactions are disabled to keep it as consistent with IRC as possible |
| 21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/747199787341971556/unknown.png |
| 21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> ^ |
| 21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> If you want the full experience, you could enable IRC mode on Discord ;p |
| 21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> I have enabled IRC mode ? |
| 21:05 |
celeron55 |
*of course* you enable IRC mode on discord |
| 21:05 |
celeron55 |
heretics |
| 21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I would never do such a thing |
| 21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> I should look into the webhook API |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I would never forsake my precious avatars |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Might be useful for adv_chat |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Lone_Wolf> Oh heh |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> celeron55: I can make the Discord side role-only on -hub for chatting, so anyone that wants to speak would have to prove they have voice in -hub as well |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> please no |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> I shall force adv_chat onto you |
| 21:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> > please no i agree |
| 21:07 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> If that were to happen, then the bridge would likely be extended to #minetest as well |
| 21:07 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Besides, this is a week-long trial run, just to see how it goes. |
| 21:08 |
rubenwardy |
It's not like this channel is used much anyway |
| 21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Webhooks are unable to DM I assume? |
| 21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I dont really know the extent of what this bridge can do |
| 21:09 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Im not using my skynet relay, so afaik there is no DM capacity atm |
| 21:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Bridges are neigh-impossible to DM with because you need server-side integration to either fake multiple users or actually have multiple users. |
| 21:10 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Is faking multiple users something only webhooks can do? |
| 21:11 |
TommyTreasure |
the time has come to part |
| 21:11 |
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| 21:12 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> It isnt very difficult to do DMs |
| 21:12 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Both archfan's and my relay handle them |
| 21:12 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Mine does too, but with a bot |
| 21:12 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Which means no fancy nickname faking |
| 21:12 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> webhooks are for servers only, not DMs |
| 21:12 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> and webhooks for relays are sent via bot |
| 21:13 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Yeah |
| 21:13 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Which is why the @IRC Bridge user exists |
| 21:13 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Still, didn't know of this name-changing feature |
| 21:14 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Webhooks are nice because you can also change the avatar on the fly too |
| 21:14 |
GreenXenith |
Which lets me use Discord avatars if and IRC name matches |
| 21:14 |
GreenXenith |
an* |
| 21:14 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Only drawback is the confusion if names are clicked |
| 21:14 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> A small price to pay |
| 21:14 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Couldn't you get rid of that by instantly renaming after the message is sent? |
| 21:15 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Or can you only rename by sending another message? |
| 21:15 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Webhooks are dynamic |
| 21:15 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> The reason it shows a single user when clicked is because thats how the discord client handles it |
| 21:15 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> Might be worth moving this to #lounge or #programming |
| 21:16 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I have the IRC avatars set to be identicons generated from username, but idk if Ill keep it that way |
| 21:17 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> In theory some of them might match GitHub avatars ;p |
| 21:17 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> You could reset avatar & nick after sending the message https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/webhook#modify-webhook |
| 21:18 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Well yes but actually no (further discussion elsewhere tho) |
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MTDiscord |
<The32bitguy> Hello IRC people |
| 21:25 |
MTDiscord |
<The32bitguy> I speak English |
| 21:25 |
rubenwardy |
congrats |
| 21:25 |
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Jordach |
i wonder if this works <@286032516467654656> |
| 21:42 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> :hypereyes: |
| 21:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Mr. Anom> neat |
| 21:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Mr. Anom> this exists now |
| 21:48 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> [off] no |
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| 21:51 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> [off] this should probably be ignored by the bridge |
| 21:51 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> [off] for both sides |
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| 22:00 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Again, I didnt make the bridge. If it were Skynet, [off] would be ignored |
| 22:01 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I intend to change it to Skynet after I rewrite it to be much, much cleaner |
| 22:01 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Right now its a mess |
| 22:06 |
Sokomine |
hm. i understand that bringing people together is an important part. maybe we got too few of that in this cozy little channel here... |
| 22:07 |
Sokomine |
perhaps #minetest would be more fitting for bridging when the test is over? just because of it beeing a generally themed mt-channel |
| 23:25 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Sokomine: Yes, that is the plan. Assuming this 1-week test goes smoothly, #minetest will be bridged as well. |
