IRC log for #minetest, 2012-08-25

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00:34	Octupus	hello
00:36	MiJyn	hi Octupus
00:36	Octupus	whats up?
00:43	Octupus	how do i make chanserv the op
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00:47	NekoGloop	Hello...?
00:48	NakedFury	...hello
00:48	NekoGloop	Heh
00:48	NekoGloop	Just seems so quiet compared to the other network i have opwn
00:48	NekoGloop	opwn*
00:48	NakedFury	open
00:48	NekoGloop	... I'll just stop there.
00:54	Basstard`	pwnd
00:55	NakedFury	what is pythons .intials?
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01:40	NekoGloop	Dead channel much?
01:40	NakedFury	sleeping
01:41	NekoGloop	Lol
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02:24	leo_rockway	anybody here develops mesecons or is it Jeija alone?
02:24	NekoGloop	Vanessae handles nodeboxes and some other graphical things
02:25	leo_rockway	VanessaE: ping me when you're around, please.
02:25	leo_rockway	NekoGloop: thank you.
02:25	NekoGloop	No problem
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02:44	_2cool_	Anyone here tonight?
02:44	NekoGloop	Me
02:44	_2cool_	cool
02:45	_2cool_	Hmm, is there a working delayer in the Mesecons mod?
02:45	NekoGloop	Yup
02:45	_2cool_	The delayer seems like temperest
02:45	NekoGloop	Latest from git has delayers
02:46	_2cool_	There is one in the version I have, but it looks like temperest and does not seem to work
02:47	NekoGloop	Try connecting stuff to it
02:47	NekoGloop	Graphically it kinda sucks but it works
02:48	_2cool_	I'll have to try again... again
02:51	NakedFury	http://hahasforhoohas.com/the-fart-that-almost-altered-my-destiny/
02:58	_2cool_	Nice, but this delayer is not working. Guess I have to download the new git
03:01	_2cool_	I downloaded the new git... This... This is a delayed inverter
03:01	NekoGloop	?
03:01	_2cool_	The delayer now delays, but also inverts the signal
03:02	_2cool_	And gasp Vertical mesecons!
03:02	NekoGloop	Omg
03:02	NekoGloop	I need to update too!
03:02	_2cool_	THIS IS SO AWESOME
03:03	_2cool_	Okay, the delayer works right now
03:04	_2cool_	And the mesecons aren't just an effect on the ground anymore, they're tree-dee
03:04	NekoGloop	?
03:04	NekoGloop	You had the old raillike drawing ones still?
03:04	khonkhortisan	unless it was updated again, a delayer loop may not start on load and may have slightly off timing and end up either all on or all off
03:04	NekoGloop	And you were going to do a let's play?!
03:05	NekoGloop	(/mod showcase)
03:05	_2cool_	I had people home and now it's a bit late...
03:05	_2cool_	I don't like doing videos with anyone around
03:05	NekoGloop	Heh
03:05	NekoGloop	Neither do i
03:05	NekoGloop	And i'm not even talking
03:05	_2cool_	Hey, I just glitched the circuit
03:06	NekoGloop	Cool :l
03:06	khonkhortisan	you overheated a chip?
03:06	_2cool_	No, I made it always on
03:06	_2cool_	again -_-
03:06	NekoGloop	Heh
03:06	NekoGloop	You need an "off" event
03:07	khonkhortisan	or an sbi
03:07	_2cool_	It's with a delayer
03:07	NekoGloop	Well sbi's are a bit more advanced
03:07	_2cool_	I know
03:07	_2cool_	But it's new and I want to play with it
03:07	NekoGloop	Heh
03:08	khonkhortisan	I think my patch to display signlike programming breaks if you use an after
03:08	_2cool_	I made a working clock!
03:09	NekoGloop	Nice :o
03:09	_2cool_	Didn't take long
03:09	khonkhortisan	my four-delayer clock stopped after 11 loops, I'm staying away from delayers for a while
03:09	NekoGloop	It doesnt
03:09	_2cool_	Just keep trying, you need lotsa delayers
03:09	_2cool_	And use the latest git
03:10	khonkhortisan	where are the vertical wires?
03:10	NakedFury	my game has them maye you had not updated to the new model?
03:10	_2cool_	Newest git download
03:11	khonkhortisan	I have latest, in what folder is it/ what giveme is it?
03:11	NekoGloop	Use creative mode
03:11	NekoGloop	Problems solved
03:12	_2cool_	That doesn't work]
03:12	_2cool_	(/giveme mesecons_delayer:delayer_off_)
03:12	_2cool_	stupid smileys
03:13	khonkhortisan	no for the vertical wire
03:13	NekoGloop	He means vertical wires
03:13	khonkhortisan	huh. I wonder if I have the right repo. They are crafted by stacking them, no?
03:13	_2cool_	If you build wires and put one 1 z level higher than the other, the wire should automatically climb
03:14	_2cool_	No crafting
03:14	khonkhortisan	oh. That's the nodebox wires.
03:14	_2cool_	yerp
03:14	khonkhortisan	They can't climb straight vertical yet.
03:14	_2cool_	nope
03:14	NakedFury	^
03:14	khonkhortisan	Make some insulated wires, they're much nicer
03:14	NakedFury	give it time
03:14	_2cool_	clock still ticking
03:14	khonkhortisan	how many delayers do you have in it?
03:14	_2cool_	does the tnt mod work like minecraft yet?
03:14	NakedFury	insulated wires get together between themselves only right?
03:15	_2cool_	khonk: 'bout 8
03:15	khonkhortisan	insulated wires only connect with a wire placed on the end
03:15	_2cool_	khonk:nvm, 5
03:15	NekoGloop	They use facedir
03:15	_2cool_	These aren't even laggy :D
03:16	khonkhortisan	so if you want to raise insulated wires up a level you need two noninsulated wires per insulated.
03:17	_2cool_	If only there was a killswitch...
03:17	khonkhortisan	make one
03:17	_2cool_	Yep
03:17	_2cool_	Even though I'm bad with uscript
03:17	khonkhortisan	put ÂµCs inbetween each delayer and hook a switch up to those
03:17	_2cool_	put wats
03:18	khonkhortisan	sbi(C,A&!D) :signal goes from A to C, with D killing
03:18	_2cool_	thanks!
03:18	khonkhortisan	I think it's a little odd ÂµScript works with or without spaces.
03:19	NekoGloop	I dont
03:19	_2cool_	It just ignores them
03:19	hmmmm	woah, is this what i think it is...?
03:19	NakedFury	depends
03:19	hmmmm	does the mesecon mod allow for microcontrollers?
03:19	_2cool_	Yep
03:19	hmmmm	and you can make your own circuit
03:19	_2cool_	Has for a few versions
03:19	khonkhortisan	I wonder how much it would slow something down to combine two signals on one wire
03:19	NakedFury	it has improved a lot
03:19	hmmmm	can you use vhdl or verilog?
03:20	hmmmm	that is awesome, haha
03:20	khonkhortisan	it uses its own language, with lua interpreting.
03:20	_2cool_	I forget the sign giveme...
03:20	hmmmm	it should use vhdl :/
03:20	_2cool_	is it giveme signs:sign or something else
03:21	khonkhortisan	I'll need some mesecon NTP
03:21	NekoGloop	Creative mode!
03:21	NakedFury	2cool use creative mode
03:21	_2cool_	No
03:21	NakedFury	why?
03:21	_2cool_	gimme better
03:21	khonkhortisan	mesecons aren't in creative mode?
03:21	NakedFury	no it isnt
03:21	NakedFury	they are
03:21	leo_rockway	so, I have zero idea about mesecons. Should I start with OGAM?
03:21	_2cool_	You have to use the giveme command
03:21	_2cool_	NO
03:21	_2cool_	leo, don't start with OGAM
03:21	NekoGloop	Leo, that uses temperest's stuff :P
03:21	khonkhortisan	I don't know what that is
03:21	_2cool_	It requires an outdated part of mesecons
03:21	NekoGloop	Which is horribly outdated
03:22	_2cool_	Thank you
03:22	_2cool_	Bahaha!
03:23	khonkhortisan	a chess game wouldn't be too hard to make, it's just the rules and sheer volume of wire that would make it difficult
03:23	leo_rockway	so what should I start with?
03:23	khonkhortisan	tetris :)
03:23	leo_rockway	but I have NO idea how mesecons work
03:23	NakedFury	start learning
03:23	NakedFury	download it and test
03:23	_2cool_	start by making a single bit ALU
03:24	leo_rockway	yes, what's a good guide?
03:24	_2cool_	There is none
03:24	leo_rockway	I don't know what ALU is
03:24	khonkhortisan	there's a pdf included
03:24	leo_rockway	I know nothing about circuitry logic either
03:24	khonkhortisan	mesecons/mesecons_microcontroller/MeseconMicro.pdf
03:24	leo_rockway	and nothing about redstones
03:24	leo_rockway	khonkhortisan: thanks.
03:24	khonkhortisan	I know enough about redstone to know you need torches everywhere
03:25	leo_rockway	would redstone tutorials be compatible with mesecons?
03:25	NakedFury	redstones are made too complicated by the limit
03:25	khonkhortisan	sort of, if you can tell what kind of redstone block is equivalent to what mesecon node
03:25	NakedFury	some tutorials
03:26	NakedFury	but mesecons stuff dont work through blocks
03:26	NakedFury	and some redstone stuff do
03:26	khonkhortisan	buttons do
03:26	NakedFury	buttons only
03:26	* khonkhortisan	still wants touchscreens
03:26	NakedFury	but check some piston elevator tutorials and they always need to work through a block
03:27	khonkhortisan	why?
03:28	khonkhortisan	pistons should be able to move the player around
03:28	_2cool_	When that happens, the cart mod will finally be able to work better
03:28	* VanessaE	peeks in
03:28	VanessaE	leo_rockway: you called?
03:29	_2cool_	Interesting, microcontrollers cause a bit of lag in the server
03:29	_2cool_	circuit, not server
03:30	khonkhortisan	okay that's bugging me enough to fix it now how pressing enter doesn't program the ÂµC
03:30	khonkhortisan	some of that lag is your client getting the memo that the node changed
03:30	khonkhortisan	I think
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03:30	_2cool_	Up pistons!
03:30	_2cool_	Why was I not informed of this?
03:31	VanessaE	blame cornernote I think :-)
03:31	khonkhortisan	I just found out recently
03:31	khonkhortisan	they craft in a loop
03:31	leo_rockway	VanessaE: hi!
03:31	VanessaE	hey hey
03:32	leo_rockway	VanessaE: do you have anything to do with mesecons.tk ?
03:32	khonkhortisan	up right up left up right up left you can make a vertical mine shaft
03:32	VanessaE	leo_rockway: Jeija and I both have direct access; you should use mesecons.net23.net though, no ads there.
03:32	leo_rockway	VanessaE: I can offer hosting and a .com.ar domain
03:33	_2cool_	Well, I'll be back on my android soon
03:33	leo_rockway	I saw in the forum that Jeija mentioned hosting was needed
03:33	VanessaE	I think we may already have the hosting sorted but I'll ask him anyway
03:33	leo_rockway	okay
03:34	VanessaE	(it may be up to 2 weeks, he's on vacation)
03:34	leo_rockway	oh, haha, that's alright
03:34	leo_rockway	just let me know when you talk to him
03:34	VanessaE	sure
03:37	khonkhortisan	aha! an enter while programming goes to the end of an else
03:37	VanessaE	what's the most code you've crammed into a single ÂµC before?
03:38	khonkhortisan	sbi(C,A)sbi(B,A&!C&!D) probably about that long
03:38	khonkhortisan	the flops are longer than my code
03:38	VanessaE	ah
03:39	khonkhortisan	I don't use off and on very much
03:40	VanessaE	Most I've done with them so far is half-adders (one AND+NOR in eachÂµC)
03:40	VanessaE	er, XOR.
03:41	khonkhortisan	I almost need five ports. D is the button, B is the output. C is combined whether any buttons have been pressed, A is reset. It can't be done with a grid of ÂµC very well, the A and C signals get crossed
03:42	khonkhortisan	I find myself doing a grid of sbi(B,D)sbi(C,A) sprinkled with sbi(B,D)sbi(C,A\|D) a lot
03:43	VanessaE	at any rate, it sure beats using temperest's old plugs/sockets :-)
03:43	khonkhortisan	I used those while trying to make a movestone turn a corner
03:44	khonkhortisan	hahaha! that was easy to make a microcontroller reprogram with enter.
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03:45	_2cool_	Hello again
03:45	khonkhortisan	just add an empty else
03:45	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: into the lua I assume
03:46	khonkhortisan	yes "elseif fields.code then"
03:46	* khonkhortisan	goes off to request a pull
03:46	VanessaE	did you sort out the hash LEDs yet
03:46	VanessaE	?
03:46	khonkhortisan	no I'm working on my tictactoe too
03:46	VanessaE	ok
03:46	khonkhortisan	tictactoetoo
03:47	VanessaE	If you wanna really be adventurous, work in an element from the TV game-show tic-tac-dough, namely the dragon that pops up randomly in the gameboard :-)
03:48	khonkhortisan	what does it do?
03:48	VanessaE	displays an animated dragon in the space the player choose, a "roar!" sound effect, and ends the round (or the whole game, I forget which)
03:48	VanessaE	chose*
03:50	khonkhortisan	then I give them the official Dragon Finder cap
03:50	VanessaE	well in the game show to uncover it was a bad thing :-)
03:51	khonkhortisan	I find it hard to believe tic tac toe could be a game show
03:51	VanessaE	meh, stick with regular tic-tac-toe, I was just playing anyway :-)
03:51	VanessaE	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tic-Tac-Dough
03:51	khonkhortisan	yes I was just reading that, then went to image search. They have two different intros
03:52	VanessaE	it's been years since I saw even a re-run of it
03:52	khonkhortisan	if it's old enough you can probably play it online for free
03:55	khonkhortisan	the github text editor doesn't select well
03:55	VanessaE	I always do my editing/coding from a local pull and then upload my changes
03:55	VanessaE	feels "safer" that way :-)
03:55	khonkhortisan	I don't want to get stuck with my old fork
03:58	khonkhortisan	are untracked files going to get connected to the commit?
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03:59	VanessaE	no
03:59	VanessaE	only if you git add them (or git add . )
03:59	_2cool_	What happened to neko
03:59	MiJyn	I think he died
04:00	_2cool_	Again?
04:00	VanessaE	I always do: nano changelog.txt; git add .; git commit -a; git push
04:00	VanessaE	that way I can be sure that the upstream always reflects my current state
04:00	khonkhortisan	I got all the way to git push before it asked me for a password
04:00	VanessaE	(and I don't have to waste time git rm'ing files when I can just rm them as usual)
04:00	_2cool_	Well, g'nigt all
04:01	VanessaE	the password is your github password.
04:01	VanessaE	(I use the ssh key method)
04:01	khonkhortisan	I have to switch the repo to my fork first
04:01	khonkhortisan	I couldn't get the http method to work
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04:02	VanessaE	git remote set-url --push origin <the git@ path of the repos you want push actions to actually go to)
04:02	VanessaE	I pull from jeija's repo for example, and push to my own fork, then issue a pull request against his
04:02	VanessaE	that way everything stays cleanly separated lest something gets broken
04:02	khonkhortisan	how?
04:03	VanessaE	simple
04:03	khonkhortisan	changing the origin?
04:03	VanessaE	yup
04:03	khonkhortisan	then it tells you when you need to update your fork
04:04	VanessaE	well see you do everything online
04:04	VanessaE	I do everything offline.
04:04	khonkhortisan	except for pull requeust
04:04	khonkhortisan	request
04:04	VanessaE	right,.
04:04	VanessaE	so here's how I do it:
04:05	VanessaE	first I go onto github and fork a repos
04:05	VanessaE	go through all their setup stuff
04:05	VanessaE	then from the command line, I git clone my fork
04:05	VanessaE	then use the git remote command to reset the push and pull URLs
04:05	VanessaE	then from there I just edit files; git add .; git commit -a; git push
04:06	VanessaE	changes get pushed to my fork
04:06	VanessaE	then I go online and issue a pull request when I'm ready
04:06	khonkhortisan	I'm leaving the repo switching written down in a file, I won't remember it
04:06	VanessaE	I don't either :D
04:06	VanessaE	I had to look it up
04:07	khonkhortisan	newbie question: is nano similar to vim?
04:07	VanessaE	only in the sense that it's an edtior
04:07	VanessaE	editor.
04:07	VanessaE	imho it's worlds easier to use than vim
04:07	VanessaE	it doesn't use that monumentally stupid idea of always being in some kind of command mode
04:08	khonkhortisan	then you must have a really good reason to use nano
04:08	VanessaE	if I wanted a command line, I'd open up another terminal. an editor should be AN EDITOR.
04:08	VanessaE	well,
04:08	VanessaE	I use nano for simple stuff, like a changelog
04:08	VanessaE	for my code, I use gedit
04:08	VanessaE	syntax highlighting is essential
04:08	khonkhortisan	I only start up gedit when it's the default editor for the filetype
04:09	khonkhortisan	I use kate
04:09	leo_rockway	VanessaE: nano has syntax highlighting
04:09	izua	VanessaE: you use command modes too in nano
04:09	leo_rockway	I use Kate for coding, nano for configuration files. I can use Vim, though.
04:09	izua	^ stuff is command mode, non^ stuff is text mode
04:09	VanessaE	there's only one thing I wish gedit had - some kind of batch re-indent (e.g. select a bunch of text, execute some function that adds a tab in front of each line or whatever)
04:09	izua	same in word or whatnot
04:09	khonkhortisan	vim and kate don't agree on indenting so that's one reason why I switch between them
04:09	leo_rockway	VanessaE: Kate has that.
04:09	VanessaE	izua: yeah but in practice, 99.9% of the time nano is in normal editor mode,.
04:10	leo_rockway	I <3 Kate
04:10	izua	you mean like =i{, indent inside { ... } in vim?
04:10	VanessaE	leo_rockway: you're right, I tend to forget nano can do syntax highlight, but I find gedit easier to work with anyway
04:10	leo_rockway	and Kate has optional vi-mode o.o
04:10	* khonkhortisan	always typed vi and didn't know he was actually using vim
04:10	khonkhortisan	oh yeah I forgot about vi mode
04:10	leo_rockway	vi is HORRIBLE
04:11	VanessaE	I will never touch vi
04:11	izua	and there's also [p, to paste something to the current indent
04:11	leo_rockway	I hate vi with a passion
04:11	VanessaE	or vim/elvis/vimperator/etc.
04:11	leo_rockway	Vim, I'm okay with.
04:11	khonkhortisan	I will touch vi when I come across a computer with it
04:11	VanessaE	and you can take emacs and sho...ahem.
04:11	leo_rockway	khonkhortisan: you can use vim compatible mode. Basically, half the things you rely on and that are neat just don't exist.
04:12	khonkhortisan	I just insert, :wq :w :q! dd, u and that's about it
04:12	leo_rockway	:wq -> :x
04:12	leo_rockway	saves you a keystroke
04:13	khonkhortisan	I haven't looked long enough for the redo button
04:14	leo_rockway	khonkhortisan: ctrl+r (redo)
04:14	khonkhortisan	u...ctrl+r? I wouldn't have guessed
04:15	leo_rockway	u for undo, ctrl+r for redo
04:15	leo_rockway	U to undo all changes in the line, I think.
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04:17	VanessaE	morning vic
04:18	khonkhortisan	Do I do a pull request from the pull side or the request side?
04:18	VanessaE	go to the original and issue it there
04:18	VanessaE	on github
04:19	VanessaE	(I think :-) )
04:19	VanessaE	no strike that, go to your fork
04:19	VanessaE	not thinking right today
04:19	vicscandl	howdy
04:19	VanessaE	sign, I can't remember now
04:20	VanessaE	sigh*
04:20	* vicscandl	offers VanessaE an "insta-sleep" pill...
04:20	VanessaE	no thanks, I just got up from a nap an hour ago :-)
04:21	vicscandl	nice, getting started for my evening as well..
04:21	vicscandl	been quite busy all week.. stupid rl
04:21	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: whichever of your clone or the original repo has the pull request button :D
04:22	khonkhortisan	when I use the online editor the pull request button is easier to find
04:24	khonkhortisan	oh, on the very top, not the actual commut
04:24	khonkhortisan	commit
04:24	VanessaE	right
04:24	VanessaE	next to the watch/unwatch button
04:24	khonkhortisan	I was looking for the sensible location, not the user-friendly one
04:29	khonkhortisan	huh. the online commit adds both a pull request and an issue, but manually pull requesting doesn't add a duplicate issue.
04:31	khonkhortisan	Now my mouse gets disconnected from the window when I right-click ctrl-V Enter. So I have to move the mouse to be able to sidestep to the next Âµc
04:32	VanessaE	that's a game bug, you've surely seen it coming out of the inventory or a furnace also
04:32	VanessaE	kahrl patched it months ago but c55 never implemented the patch
04:32	khonkhortisan	I haven't noticed it too much because I wasn't doing the same thing over and over that recreates it
04:33	VanessaE	merged.
04:33	khonkhortisan	yay!
04:35	VanessaE	enter really shoulda been default to do that anyway, "Principle of Lease Surprise"
04:35	khonkhortisan	there's hidden fees on my lease!
04:36	VanessaE	ack!
04:36	* vicscandl	hits you with some mello-roos
04:36	VanessaE	LEAST surprise
04:36	VanessaE	hah!
04:36	VanessaE	goes to show the new house is on my mind :-)
04:36	khonkhortisan	I had to read the large print "press this" on the official github pull request how-to
04:37	VanessaE	Abe and I are looking at buying our first home
04:37	* vicscandl	just ursurped your county tax collection office... your property taxes are now mine!!!
04:37	khonkhortisan	I guess you can't reverse-mortgage to pay for it, then?
04:37	vicscandl	now that would be a good hack...
04:38	khonkhortisan	might be able to get it half paid that way
04:38	vicscandl	VanessaE: being at work all week gave me some away-time to think about new avenues to track down that 512 pack pre-game lag...
04:39	VanessaE	vicscandl: it's the extrude routine being brain dead :-)
04:39	vicscandl	VanessaE: yea, getting into it that deep tonight...
04:39	VanessaE	I told c55 ages ago that a real status display is needed there
04:39	VanessaE	like "processed X of Y textures..."
04:40	VanessaE	do something other than show a black screen that gets garbled if any window crosses over it
04:40	vicscandl	i'll get that debug output like before doing that here in a short minute
04:40	VanessaE	(or that looks like it's crashed)
04:40	khonkhortisan	now if only minimum wage was based on inflation or the poverty line or the standard of living or anything else that auto-adjusted
04:40	khonkhortisan	I see nodes getting loaded in the bottom-left corner if I restart the server a few times
04:41	vicscandl	prob going to make it load like all other FPS systems and print the file its working on to the screen
04:41	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: that must be strictly a windows thing - I never see it.
04:41	khonkhortisan	linux
04:41	VanessaE	really?
04:41	vicscandl	khonkhortisan: this is the client, not the server
04:41	VanessaE	oh server.
04:41	VanessaE	meh
04:42	vicscandl	khonkhortisan: server, due to not loading the computed mesh graphics does not have these issues, but don't quote me, have not tested...
04:42	VanessaE	vicscandl: printing the filename isn't a good idea in the long term - it gives no indication of time-to-complete
04:42	khonkhortisan	during the black screen between the connecting percents and being able to see
04:42	vicscandl	khonkhortisan: this is mostly a fix to see why larger texture packs can make the initial black screen take upwards of a minute to load
04:42	khonkhortisan	I saw it briefly during the third load, then the full spectacle the fourth load
04:43	vicscandl	VanessaE: time to complete is bullshit before half the data is processed... even then its not valid or accurate
04:43	khonkhortisan	I think it's my memory slowing down
04:43	VanessaE	vicscandl: I know, but a count of images processed out of total number to go is at least meaningful even without a timer
04:43	vicscandl	VanessaE: percentage processed in terms of bytes, now that perhaps i'll do
04:43	VanessaE	that sounds good
04:43	khonkhortisan	filesize-based percent is best, assuming a constant load speed
04:44	vicscandl	that is accurate.
04:44	khonkhortisan	then they can see whether it slows down by the bar stopping
04:44	vicscandl	khonkhortisan: load speed is not of consern when counting bytes receved...
04:44	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: won't be constant - large texpacks like mine still use some small images where it makes sense (e.g. anything that should only be for the inventory)
04:44	vicscandl	khonkhortisan: but yes, i do understand your meaning
04:44	vicscandl	VanessaE: and with some of your textures being upwards of 7mb, yea...
04:45	VanessaE	vicscandl: you haven't downloaded the latest pack.
04:45	khonkhortisan	that reminds me, have a large image on your website that loads slowly? slice it into many small images so it loads faster!
04:45	vicscandl	VanessaE: oh shit
04:45	vicscandl	VanessaE: more mesecons updates/
04:45	VanessaE	most images are JPG now = far smaller than before.
04:45	vicscandl	s/\/\?/
04:45	khonkhortisan	I'm the last and next-to-last mesecon update
04:45	VanessaE	yeah, mesecons gets tweaked periodically :-)
04:45	vicscandl	using .jpg extenson
04:45	VanessaE	yep, with .jpg extension
04:46	VanessaE	so make sure you delete your old .png version completely or the game will try to load that first.
04:46	vicscandl	c55 work out the graphics issues with you the other day:? only read part of the convo in dev
04:46	VanessaE	(it prefers png over jpg if the base filename is the same)
04:46	vicscandl	VanessaE: all my mods and textures are symlinks to other locations where i just pull git. :)
04:46	khonkhortisan	? this commit shows my first name, the previous commit showed my username
04:46	VanessaE	yeah, he said the issue is in the cache loader - the decision to strip the file extension should be there instead of in the code that populates the cache.
04:46	khonkhortisan	oh. I know why, never mind
04:47	vicscandl	VanessaE: note that for later, i'll look into that as its related
04:47	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: I noticed that.
04:47	VanessaE	ok
04:47	vicscandl	khonkhortisan: check your config file
04:47	vicscandl	khonkhortisan: your .git configs
04:47	vicscandl	khonkhortisan: mercurial/hg is the same...
04:48	vicscandl	since the first commit was prob on your personal machine, it pulled that data... now that it is on github, its using that user account
04:48	khonkhortisan	it uses my username when web-committing and my first name when command-committing
04:48	VanessaE	vicscandl: c55 suggested that the texture extrude just be disabled entirely if the textures are big. I suggest a compromise: only extrude tools. If it's an inventory/craft/wield item, render it 2D/flat. If it's a cube/nodebox/whatever then render a proper cube/nodebox like usual and wield the result.
04:49	khonkhortisan	so just based on item/node
04:49	VanessaE	nod
04:49	khonkhortisan	what if there's both an item and a node registered?
04:50	VanessaE	then render each according to their respective rules
04:50	vicscandl	{{ one minute; have to call neice to setup tomorrow's xbox session at my house }}
04:50	VanessaE	vicscandl: I think he's doing the brain-dead thing and extruding everything that gets loaded, even if it's a texture on the side of a cube
04:50	vicscandl	VanessaE: so he has narrowed it down to the extrude function, and your above comment?
04:50	khonkhortisan	when you say extrude I think of extruding in blender
04:50	VanessaE	the more mods/textures I add, the slower it gets, even if the added items are all 3d objects that should not be extruded (see unifiedbricks for example)
04:51	vicscandl	khonkhortisan: i think play-dough fun factory
04:51	VanessaE	vicscandl: he narrowed it down to that. the comments above are entirely my own.
04:51	vicscandl	VanessaE: your comments are good; you are a totally fab playtester. i'd hire you if i still ran a gameshop.
04:52	khonkhortisan	my brother is very good at breaking programs
04:52	VanessaE	vicscandl: load up a normal session, then add unifiedbricks and colored woods. Observe the difference in startup times. Even though there are only a couple hundred 64px textures that need to actually be extruded, it acts like ALL of the big 512px ones are being extruded too.
04:53	VanessaE	(in my texpack, unifiedbricks and coloredwoods use 512px textures for the in-game nodes, and 64px textures for the inventory/wield images)
04:53	khonkhortisan	it's nice how a free account doesn't need a credit card on file
04:53	VanessaE	vicscandl: c55 hates me for this very reason :D
04:53	vicscandl	normal session == with your textures already in place?
04:53	VanessaE	yes
04:54	VanessaE	but without coloredwoods/unifiedbricks.
04:54	VanessaE	er
04:54	VanessaE	without the MODs that is
04:54	VanessaE	(don't delete the textures)
04:54	VanessaE	you get the point
04:54	vicscandl	aye...
04:55	VanessaE	vicscandl: in fact, I noticed a significant increase in the delay when I added animated torches and animated lava support to the 512px pack.
04:55	vicscandl	VanessaE: between you and i for all code discussions, normal session == no mods, your textures loaded. (for this issue, agreed?)
04:55	VanessaE	why on G*d's green earth is he extruding animated images?
04:55	VanessaE	yes
04:55	khonkhortisan	to have texture corruption look cooler, of course
04:55	VanessaE	haha
04:55	vicscandl	hrm... just to be sure, extrude == turn 3d
04:55	VanessaE	yes
04:56	VanessaE	take a 2d image and turn every visible edge pixel into a voxel
04:56	vicscandl	voxel being "large square block"
04:56	VanessaE	(which I guess is the only way to do it; opengl lacks a proper extrude operation)
04:56	VanessaE	no, worse.
04:56	VanessaE	voxel being a pixel-sized cube.
04:57	* vicscandl	looks like a monkey from the way he is scratching his head...
04:57	VanessaE	or rather, pixel-sized on two dimensions, and whatever the length of the cuboid is
04:57	VanessaE	length of the cuboid = thickness of the extruded image
04:57	vicscandl	time to google voxel theory, fuck
04:57	khonkhortisan	Many things lack a proper sphere: Defined by an equation, the number of faces defined by the number of pixels it currently occupies on-screen
04:57	vicscandl	i wanted to code
04:58	VanessaE	so he takes each pixel and uses it as three sides of a tall, slender cuboid, and does that for every pixel in the image, turning them all sideways to make a 'thick' object
04:58	khonkhortisan	yuck it should just uv map
04:58	VanessaE	like I said. brain dead. :-)
04:58	VanessaE	what is a UV map?
04:59	khonkhortisan	hehe
04:59	VanessaE	I've seen that phrase before
04:59	* VanessaE	looks it up
04:59	khonkhortisan	you cut the cube and unfold it so it lays flat, then you put an image over the top of it
04:59	khonkhortisan	then fold it back again
04:59	VanessaE	yeah I see it
05:00	VanessaE	can't really do that with a flat 2D image that has no 3d model to wrap itself around
05:00	khonkhortisan	if you had a single 3d face, you might still be able to call it uv-mapping
05:00	khonkhortisan	I don't know
05:01	vicscandl	ok, time to get started
05:01	VanessaE	yeah but in that case you're just tossing up a 2d image and orienting it to sort of suggest 3d
05:01	vicscandl	btw, thank you all for your input
05:01	VanessaE	you're welcome, vic
05:03	NakedFury	so hey guys
05:03	NakedFury	woah wall of text
05:03	VanessaE	hey NF
05:04	khonkhortisan	where's the bottom Âµc image?
05:04	vicscandl	NakedFury: talking is good. :)
05:04	VanessaE	"Pixel shading is often used [...] to make an object look [...] round or extruded."
05:04	VanessaE	so there IS a way to do it in opengl?
05:04	NakedFury	so you will look into texture problems
05:04	khonkhortisan	I can pixel shade with a pencil! :P
05:05	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: good question - didn't I give it one?
05:05	VanessaE	look in mesecons_textures/
05:05	khonkhortisan	it has one, it's just not next to the top images
05:06	VanessaE	huh.
05:06	VanessaE	it must be using the 'sides' texture.
05:06	VanessaE	I'll give it a proper 'bottom' one in a bit.
05:06	cornernote	hey
05:06	khonkhortisan	oh. okay. sides should be called bottom
05:07	VanessaE	vicscandl: by the way, don't be surprised if the 512px pack looks screwed up with mesecons and pipeworks - I haven't brought it up to date for those mods yet.
05:07	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: no, sides.
05:07	khonkhortisan	the circuit board is wider on the bottom than on the top
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05:07	khonkhortisan	so the green part is flat on the top, then it goes diagonally through the white until it reaches the bottom
05:08	VanessaE	strange
05:08	VanessaE	it shouldn't do that
05:09	khonkhortisan	it doesn't actually go diagonally, but based on the top and "sides" images, the green parts have to be connected somehow
05:11	VanessaE	well
05:11	VanessaE	the way it works
05:12	VanessaE	the image is tiled around the edges of the ÂµC, but only the bottom part of the image actually gets used
05:12	VanessaE	(the rest is redundant)
05:12	VanessaE	when tiled onto the back side, obviously the image is used verbatim.
05:13	VanessaE	literally, you can chop off all but the bottom 3 or 4 pixels of the image height and it'll still look right on the sides/edges (but the bottom would need a new image then)
05:15	khonkhortisan	six images are better than 17 (what I'm working on right now)
05:17	VanessaE	nod
05:17	VanessaE	do me a favor
05:17	khonkhortisan	what? Leave the letters separate?
05:18	VanessaE	keep a strict separation between the 17->6 conversion and the stuff you're doing with those hash displays
05:18	VanessaE	so I can merge them separately
05:18	khonkhortisan	yeah, I have that very separate, I don't want to break my own maps
05:18	khonkhortisan	I have two copies of the init.lua
05:18	VanessaE	(and it'll need 7 images - a top, 4 LED overlays, a side, and a bottom image)
05:19	khonkhortisan	the side is the bottom
05:20	VanessaE	yeah, but I wanna give it a 'proper' bottom image anyway
05:20	khonkhortisan	is there a better way to say string = string.."otherstring"?
05:20	khonkhortisan	like a +=?
05:21	VanessaE	I think you can use some of the lua substring functions to accomplish that
05:21	VanessaE	but I find it easier to do the A=A..B method.
05:24	cornernote	im going to try to make a 7 segment display using mesecons today
05:24	cornernote	like a digital number
05:24	khonkhortisan	like an alarm clock display?
05:25	cornernote	yeah, but only 1 digit of it
05:25	khonkhortisan	I can already see the font system based on the number
05:25	cornernote	i already made the blocks
05:25	cornernote	just gotta do the logic
05:25	khonkhortisan	well that didn't work, all the letters are dark
05:25	cornernote	10 different 4-bit inputs draw the numbers from 0 to 9
05:26	cornernote	depending on the 4-bit input, it lights up different segments of the display
05:26	khonkhortisan	Are we going to be competitors in the mesecon competition?
05:26	cornernote	theres a competition ?
05:26	khonkhortisan	yes
05:26	cornernote	im just doing it for fun
05:26	cornernote	lol
05:27	khonkhortisan	if you make something good, you can submit it
05:27	cornernote	what are you making ?
05:27	cornernote	i dunno what is good
05:27	khonkhortisan	I already made a 5x3 display for a 26-button keyboard, now I'm making a tic-tac-toe game which I'm thinking of submitting
05:28	khonkhortisan	it just has to do something useful or fun or be complicated or interesting or...(trails off)
05:29	khonkhortisan	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2810 this has the rules
05:29	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: I'm about to push a change to add a proper bottom image to the microcontroller
05:30	khonkhortisan	then I'll have to merge my change, go right ahead.
05:30	khonkhortisan	mine doesn't work yet
05:30	VanessaE	ok
05:32	khonkhortisan	that's a funny mistake "tostring(A)" instead of "tostring(a)". that shows you how much I've been using ÂµScript
05:33	VanessaE	merged.
05:33	* vicscandl	pushes your change into his tip cup...
05:33	VanessaE	ha
05:33	VanessaE	it's amazing what you can do with careful application of colors (or grey) + noise :-)
05:34	khonkhortisan	I haven't gotten the hang of noise yet
05:34	khonkhortisan	the sides multiplied
05:35	VanessaE	yeah
05:35	VanessaE	a proper definition should have six images listed
05:35	VanessaE	I've ran into a glitch or two in the past from not doing that
05:35	VanessaE	either give it one or give it six, anything in between might not always work
05:36	khonkhortisan	I guess I'll have to update my fork for my change to look right, and not make it look like your change
05:37	* khonkhortisan	goes button hunting on github again
05:37	VanessaE	better do that now before I find a reason to make some other change :D
05:40	khonkhortisan	I can't find a non-text-command for it
05:44	VanessaE	I've only ever done that from the command line
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05:50	khonkhortisan	now I have deleted, modified, untracked, and merged!
05:51	VanessaE	excellent
05:51	VanessaE	I'll get started in a bit on suitable replacement images
05:52	khonkhortisan	oops I tried to commit to the wrong one
05:53	VanessaE	you forgot to set your push destination
05:54	VanessaE	I'll name them:
05:54	VanessaE	jeija_microcontroller_top.png
05:54	VanessaE	jeija_microcontroller_LED_A.png
05:54	VanessaE	jeija_microcontroller_LED_B.png
05:54	VanessaE	jeija_microcontroller_LED_C.png
05:54	VanessaE	jeija_microcontroller_LED_D.png
05:54	VanessaE	jeija_microcontroller_bottom.png
05:55	VanessaE	jeija_microcontroller_sides.png
05:55	khonkhortisan	I named them _top_0000 _top_1000 _top_0100 but your idea is better
05:55	* khonkhortisan	is still getting used to git
05:57	VanessaE	ok, got them all ready to go.
05:57	khonkhortisan	I'm getting behind
05:58	khonkhortisan	oh that's what --push means
05:58	* MiJyn	is away: Gone phishing
05:59	VanessaE	let me know when your code is ready. Do a pull request and I'll merge that plus the new images.
05:59	VanessaE	MiJyn: away messages are bad, mmkay? :-)
05:59	khonkhortisan	because you aren't always here before going away
06:04	khonkhortisan	well that didn't work
06:04	VanessaE	you'll figure it out :-)
06:08	cornernote	khonkhortisan, do you have a fulladder ?
06:09	khonkhortisan	yay! my commit has disappeared!
06:09	cornernote	i think i need to understand that before i can get my display working
06:09	khonkhortisan	no I haven't done adding yet at all
06:09	cornernote	then hows your display work ?
06:10	khonkhortisan	on one side, I'll call it A, I have a row of 26 buttons (well, two rows of 13 but the wires come out to 26)
06:10	khonkhortisan	on another side, B, I have 15 wires for the 5x3 display.
06:10	khonkhortisan	I have a 26x15 grid of ÂµCs, mostly programmed with sbi(C,A)sbi(A,D)
06:11	khonkhortisan	then for each button and each pixel if I want the pixel to turn on when I press the button, (an "A" when I press the first button, a "B" when I press the second)
06:11	khonkhortisan	wait that first programming is incorrect
06:11	cornernote	ok, i see
06:12	cornernote	i want only 4 inputs to display 10 numbers
06:12	cornernote	which is why i need the adder
06:12	khonkhortisan	mostly it's sbi(C,A)sbi(B,D) then I change it to sbi(C,A)sbi(B,D\|A) when I want the button to map to the pixel
06:12	khonkhortisan	so you'll have a number-to-segment mapper like mine, after your adder
06:13	cornernote	yes, the "driver"
06:13	khonkhortisan	haha if it can be called that
06:13	cornernote	firmware ?
06:13	VanessaE	cornernote: need an adder? look at mine
06:13	cornernote	yes plz
06:13	cornernote	does it use uc ?
06:13	VanessaE	yes
06:14	VanessaE	hm, need to upload it. stand by
06:14	cornernote	where is it ?
06:14	cornernote	oh, your killing me
06:14	cornernote	:)
06:15	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/mesecons-8bit-adder.zip
06:15	VanessaE	there.
06:15	khonkhortisan	oh, I missed the words "Changes not staged for commit:" over "modified"
06:15	VanessaE	(it's a world file)
06:15	khonkhortisan	now how do I stage modified files for commit?
06:15	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: you forgot to git add .
06:15	VanessaE	(with the period)
06:15	khonkhortisan	I have to git add modifications?
06:15	khonkhortisan	interesting.
06:15	cornernote	VanessaE, thanks
06:15	khonkhortisan	um, does git add . include untracked files?
06:16	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: yes
06:16	khonkhortisan	wah
06:16	VanessaE	it adds everything to be tracked.
06:16	cornernote	i thought you might have done something like an adder, cos u mentioned u been into old-school game programming for a long time
06:16	VanessaE	if you want to add only some files, use patters, full paths, etc
06:16	VanessaE	e.g. git add init.lua textures/* changelog.txt
06:16	VanessaE	and so on
06:16	khonkhortisan	my deleted are staged, my modified are not staged, my untracked are untracked. I want both deleted and modified staged, and untracked to remain untracked
06:17	VanessaE	git add .; git commit -a
06:17	khonkhortisan	what's -a?
06:17	VanessaE	the -a will stage the deletes also
06:17	khonkhortisan	they're already staged, I don't know why.
06:17	VanessaE	just do that, then git push -u a few times
06:17	khonkhortisan	huh. -a stages modified.
06:18	VanessaE	yes
06:18	cornernote	V - nice .. has no insulation either, so it can be compacted
06:18	VanessaE	cornernote: yep, this was drawn up before the insulated mesecons were added.
06:18	khonkhortisan	just remembered to rename them before the commit
06:19	VanessaE	careful, I dug a hole near one of the microcontro----AHHHHHHHhhhhhhhIIIIIEEEEEEEEe............
06:19	khonkhortisan	is it fine if I stop here and come back tomorrow?
06:19	VanessaE	I forgot to patch it ;-)
06:19	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: no. now dammit ;-)
06:19	* VanessaE	is itching to see the changes put into practice
06:25	VanessaE	morning sfan5
06:25	sfan5	hi VanessaE
06:26	khonkhortisan	that's a lot of files changed - my deleted files have been deleted - I keep having to remember commit doesn't actually send it - now to request the pull
06:27	khonkhortisan	there you go.
06:28	cornernote	ok, that helps me understand,,, i wasnt sure how to hook the carry over number to the next halfadder
06:28	khonkhortisan	21 changed files!
06:28	VanessaE	got it
06:28	* VanessaE	looks
06:28	khonkhortisan	the letter is both on the blank and on the port, because the letter changes too
06:28	VanessaE	ha!
06:28	VanessaE	looks like I don't need to add any new images after all :-)
06:28	khonkhortisan	if the letters didn't change I could add another image to lay on top
06:29	VanessaE	21 changes btw includes the 16 files you deleted.
06:29	khonkhortisan	yep
06:29	khonkhortisan	16 deleted, 1 moved, 1 modified, 4 added I think
06:29	VanessaE	nice compact patch. and it works reliably?
06:29	khonkhortisan	no 15 deleted
06:29	VanessaE	HA!
06:30	khonkhortisan	I didn't test every single combination of ports
06:30	VanessaE	sfan just beat me to it :-)
06:30	khonkhortisan	but it works
06:30	khonkhortisan	haha
06:30	sfan5	VanessaE: :D
06:30	VanessaE	punk'd again :-)
06:30	VanessaE	there, pulled to my local copy. nice work, khonkhortisan.
06:31	khonkhortisan	git remote -v shows two origins, the original being fetch and the fork being push. Is that correct?
06:31	VanessaE	yes
06:31	VanessaE	that's the "right" way afaic.
06:31	khonkhortisan	so I just need to git pull; git push to merge?
06:32	VanessaE	yep
06:32	khonkhortisan	nice
06:32	khonkhortisan	it's a stream
06:32	VanessaE	git pull; make some changes; git add .; git commit -a; git push
06:32	khonkhortisan	now we can connect multiples of these and have ourselves a loop
06:33	khonkhortisan	I'd rather have my changes be separate from master changes
06:33	VanessaE	ok
06:33	VanessaE	but it's best to merge from master once in a while lest one of your commits causes a conflict later
06:33	khonkhortisan	git pull; git push; edit; git commit; git push
06:34	VanessaE	that works too
06:34	khonkhortisan	it makes more sense in my head :)
06:34	VanessaE	that said, your commits will still visibly be separate from the origin's
06:34	VanessaE	whether you push before your first change or not
06:35	khonkhortisan	so if I were to look at my fork the changes would be blended together, but if I look at the pull request it would only show my change?
06:36	VanessaE	no
06:36	khonkhortisan	no it shows your bottom image correctly
06:36	khonkhortisan	huh.
06:36	VanessaE	even on your fork, they'll be separate.
06:36	khonkhortisan	then it's smart
06:37	VanessaE	so a push before your first change isn't actually necessary unless it helps your workflow of course
06:38	khonkhortisan	your picture snuck into my fork
06:38	khonkhortisan	I still need a picture
06:38	VanessaE	heh
06:38	VanessaE	I uploaded that change to master before your last pull :-)
06:38	VanessaE	"a picture"?
06:39	khonkhortisan	the profile picture
06:39	VanessaE	OH
06:39	VanessaE	I think that's handled by gravatar
06:40	khonkhortisan	somehow I have to tell it the fork owner is the same person as the committer
06:48	khonkhortisan	gravatar and github aren't connecting...
06:49	sfan5	khonkhortisan: do you have the same mail address for them?
06:49	sfan5	s/have/used/
06:50	khonkhortisan	huh. It works now that I looked at the email tab.
06:50	khonkhortisan	maybe there was just a delay
06:51	khonkhortisan	and just as I thought, my commits don't have the gravatar.
06:55	khonkhortisan	cool I stole the whole commit record in the fork
06:55	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: that's normal :-)
06:56	VanessaE	everyone's supposed to carry the full history in each of their forks/branches, provided they don't do something stupid that deletes said history
06:56	khonkhortisan	like changing the first name author to the username author
06:57	khonkhortisan	ah, I have the wrong email in my git settings
06:59	khonkhortisan	my history shows both the commit and the pull request for the same commit, this is cool!
06:59	* khonkhortisan	isn't used to distributed version control, just version controll
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07:01	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: it's nice ain't it?
07:01	khonkhortisan	yeah!
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07:04	khonkhortisan	Do you ever have github stay white after clicking a link and have to reload the page to actually get it to show you the page it changed to?
07:05	sfan5	http://i.imgur.com/oTAhr.jpg stackable display with gpu
07:06	khonkhortisan	Now why do you have a side wire? What does that do?
07:09	sfan5	khonkhortisan: http://i.imgur.com/MfFbG.png
07:10	VanessaE	sfan5: genius!
07:11	sfan5	:D
07:11	khonkhortisan	I still don't get it? Does the side wire turn the whole screen on and off?
07:11	VanessaE	side wire is a row address
07:11	VanessaE	back wires are column address
07:11	VanessaE	like a DRAM
07:12	khonkhortisan	eh, I can't imagine how I'd program that thing. I should make one of those after I'm done with my other machine
07:12	VanessaE	or at least that's what it looks like to me :-)
07:12	khonkhortisan	I'm still doing the one-wire-per pixel thing
07:13	sfan5	VanessaE: the things you said are right
07:13	vicscandl	tonights codetunes: http://divbyzero.de/old.pls
07:13	VanessaE	sfan5: it's obvious how to turn a pixel on, but how do you turn a pixel off?
07:13	khonkhortisan	double the gpu, add another set of side wires! Or, can't you just use an sbi?
07:13	sfan5	umm, it doesn't save the pixels yet, so simply turn the wires off
07:13	VanessaE	oh ok
07:14	VanessaE	simple solution: another layer of ÂµC's between these and the display that act as latches, with a global reset
07:14	sfan5	the display is small, but you need extra vram to save the pixels
07:14	VanessaE	(ala electronic paper displays)
07:15	khonkhortisan	Most ÂµC memory is solid-state, but it is possible to add powered memory.
07:15	khonkhortisan	turn the switch off, forget everything
07:16	VanessaE	or better
07:16	VanessaE	the second layer would be gated latches
07:17	VanessaE	one row at a time could be refreshed by bring a 'write' line low
07:17	VanessaE	whatever's on the D inputs gets copied to the B output as long as that line is low
07:17	VanessaE	(using A/C as the write line)
07:18	khonkhortisan	If one wire gives you binary and two wires can give you trinary (quaternary), can you get trinary out of one wire and some timing?
07:18	khonkhortisan	that would create real frame drawing
07:18	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: easily.
07:19	VanessaE	but it's better to use dedicated logic to signal a read/write strobe
07:22	khonkhortisan	If you had alternating current on a wire, then a delayer, then a ÂµC that ANDs the wires before and after the delayer, then the signal will only get through if the wire is blinking slow enough.
07:22	VanessaE	right
07:22	VanessaE	that's a classic pulse divider circuit
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07:23	khonkhortisan	so for a pulse multiplier would you use multiple delayers?
07:23	VanessaE	in real hardware, you would get a pulse train equal in frequency to your input clock, but with an 'on' time equal to the difference in phase between the before- and after-delay clocks
07:24	VanessaE	and you could OR that with a delayed version of itself to get a 2x clock
07:24	VanessaE	(as long as the delay there is exactly equal to half the original clock period)
07:25	khonkhortisan	so the frequency is lopsided
07:26	VanessaE	so something like:
07:26	VanessaE	clk_in ---*--[delay]--.
07:26	VanessaE	\| [AND]------.
07:26	VanessaE	*-----------' \|
07:26	VanessaE	\| [OR]--- 2x_clk_out
07:26	VanessaE	'----[delay]----------'
07:26	sfan5	VanessaE: i need your help this( http://i.imgur.com/ELq33.png ) doesn't work, why?
07:26	VanessaE	well, that's wrong
07:26	VanessaE	lemme revise that.
07:28	khonkhortisan	> is else?
07:28	sfan5	yes
07:28	khonkhortisan	you only need one if(D)
07:29	sfan5	why?
07:29	khonkhortisan	if(C)sbi(#1,1);if(D)on(B)sbi(#1,0)>off(B);if(#1)on(A)>off(A);
07:29	VanessaE	khonkhortisan:
07:29	VanessaE	clk_in ---*--[delay]--.
07:29	VanessaE	\| [AND]----*-------------.
07:29	VanessaE	*-----------' \| [OR]--- 2x_clk_out
07:29	VanessaE	'---[delay]---'
07:29	VanessaE	(make sure your irc window is wide enough to show this right)
07:30	khonkhortisan	yeah it is
07:30	khonkhortisan	the font is a little off
07:30	VanessaE	use a fixed-width font :-)
07:30	VanessaE	you lose 1000 internet points for using a proportional font in IRC :-)
07:30	khonkhortisan	first time I ran into ascii art
07:31	khonkhortisan	woah that's big
07:31	thomas	/211/211
07:31	thomas	oops
07:31	VanessaE	morning thomas
07:31	thomas	good morning
07:31	thomas	finally caught you when you're active :-)
07:32	thomas	the only problem is catching groupy staff at the same time!
07:32	khonkhortisan	I still have papyrus as the background on my irc client, do I lose more points for that?
07:33	sfan5	VanessaE: do you know the problem with http://i.imgur.com/ELq33.png ?
07:34	VanessaE	lemme look again
07:34	sfan5	ok
07:34	khonkhortisan	if(D)on(B)>off(B); should be sbi(B,D)
07:35	sfan5	khonkhortisan: if's are more clear
07:36	VanessaE	you're just trying to set A=1 if both C and B are 1, right?
07:36	VanessaE	(and pass B through to D at any rate)
07:36	khonkhortisan	sbi(B,D)sbi(#1,C&!D)sbi(A,#1)
07:36	khonkhortisan	sbi(B,D)sbi(A,C&!D)
07:36	sfan5	VanessaE: no
07:37	VanessaE	OH
07:37	VanessaE	that's the latch layer
07:37	VanessaE	I didn't even see that
07:37	VanessaE	dur :-)
07:37	sfan5	VanessaE: if c is 1 a = 1 and save that status, if d gets signal delete status and "forward" signalto b
07:37	sfan5	s/signalto/signal to/
07:37	khonkhortisan	the last program I posted should work, no?
07:38	sfan5	lemme test
07:39	sfan5	..
07:39	sfan5	the signal should be saved
07:39	khonkhortisan	oh. missed that part.
07:40	VanessaE	Assuming signal D is active low (=reset the line), sbi(A,C&D)sbi(#1,1);if(D)sbi(B,D)sbi(#1,0)
07:40	khonkhortisan	sbi(B,D)if(C)on(A);if(D)off(A);
07:40	VanessaE	I'd think this would work
07:40	VanessaE	but I'm not well-versed yet in ÂµScript.
07:41	khonkhortisan	wow our programs are different
07:41	khonkhortisan	the port itself is capable of saving data
07:42	khonkhortisan	please try both our programs :)
07:42	sfan5	VanessaE: nope.avi
07:43	sfan5	khonkhortisan: it-works.png, thanks.jpg
07:43	VanessaE	told ya I was still learning it :-)
07:43	sfan5	:D
07:43	khonkhortisan	how do I get animated irc?
07:43	sfan5	umm, what??
07:43	VanessaE	one of these days you're gonna have to explain to me the origin of that 'nope.abi' meme :-)
07:43	khonkhortisan	that would be cool, but I'm sure it would be hackable
07:43	VanessaE	.avi*
07:45	khonkhortisan	ah. #1 is set twice, but never read in that last program
07:47	khonkhortisan	Does it matter that the signlike programming doesn't have spaces or comments?
07:47	VanessaE	eh, as long as the code works
07:47	VanessaE	spaces for readability is good
07:47	VanessaE	comments too unless the code is obvious
07:47	khonkhortisan	the comments are there if you right-click but not if you just point at it
07:48	jin_xi	it would be nice to add a comment or title or so to a ÂµC
07:48	sfan5	huh? minetest randomly crashed
07:48	sfan5	...without error
07:48	VanessaE	sfan5: happens to me at least once every 5 or so starts
07:48	VanessaE	segfault usually
07:48	khonkhortisan	the random crashes are the hardest to catch, and therefore the most common. <-- faulty logic?
07:49	khonkhortisan	the programming hash can be based on the binary representation of the string
07:49	VanessaE	good idea
07:50	VanessaE	put the whole thing into one long number, divide by 16 for 2x2 or 256 for 4x4 hash display, convert back to binary
07:50	VanessaE	er
07:50	khonkhortisan	I would modulus instead of divide
07:50	VanessaE	er not divide by
07:50	VanessaE	that was dumb
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07:50	VanessaE	yeah, take the modulus of it
07:51	khonkhortisan	divide makes it have to be really long
07:51	VanessaE	yeah ignore that, I'm not thinking too clearly tonight
07:51	khonkhortisan	I divided for the dectobin function, I made the same mistake already
07:51	VanessaE	dec-to-bin is easiest with a table, like I said before :-)
07:52	Calinou	every time you use division in nodebox definitions, a CPU cries
07:52	cornernote	i need insulated wire that goes around corners
07:52	Calinou	:<
07:52	VanessaE	cornernote: just go around the corner with a bare wire.
07:52	Calinou	fffffffffffffff-
07:52	cornernote	cant, it connects to another wire
07:52	VanessaE	oh
07:52	khonkhortisan	nodebox = {1/3, 5/7, math.PI/inf...}
07:52	khonkhortisan	insulated wire goes around corners, you just have to serrate it
07:53	VanessaE	nodebox = { -32/64, -4/64, -5/64, 1/64, 4/64, 5/64 }
07:53	khonkhortisan	first wire turns early, second wire turns late, third wire turns early, fourth wire turns late
07:53	VanessaE	the epitome of unnecessary division. except it's more readable than decimal.
07:53	khonkhortisan	just scale the whole thing
07:54	khonkhortisan	oh wait, we don't have scale :)
07:54	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: actually we do, visual_scale = <multiplier>
07:54	VanessaE	1.0 = normal size, 2.0 = double-size, etc.
07:54	khonkhortisan	is it an x/z corner with an xz plane of wire or an x/y corner with an xz plane?
07:56	khonkhortisan	I'm good at turning wire
07:57	sfan5	:/ minetest crashed again with no reason
07:57	khonkhortisan	so you fix the fractions in the nodebox, add a visual_scale, and get to the collision_box, and problem.
08:01	khonkhortisan	13 days left for the competition
08:02	sfan5	http://i.imgur.com/JHRqg.png \| latch layer programmed, time to program the other layer...
08:03	khonkhortisan	and you have to program every Âµc individually
08:04	khonkhortisan	_if_only_worldedit_had_meta_copying_capabilities_
08:05	khonkhortisan	if there was an rgb display it would take a lot of wiring to use more colors than just 8
08:05	khonkhortisan	each pixel being three rows of rgb
08:05	sfan5	minetest crash caught.....
08:05	sfan5	(actually its irrlicht)
08:05	sfan5	Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
08:05	sfan5	0xb7d92281 in irr::gui::CGUIFont::getDimension (this=0x864cff8, text=0x41 <Address 0x41 out of bounds>) at CGUIFont.cpp:429
08:06	sfan5	429for (const wchar_t* p = text; *p; ++p)
08:06	khonkhortisan	are you running released or source irrlicht?
08:06	jin_xi	would it be so hard to copy metadata? there is a function called hacky swap node somewhere that takes meta into account
08:06	sfan5	i compiled it myself
08:06	khonkhortisan	I had a different crash in source irrlicht that went away when I compiled with released
08:07	khonkhortisan	it wouldn't be that difficult, the hardest part is finding a function that copies meta without knowing what strings are stored
08:07	jin_xi	meta to_table and from table?
08:07	khonkhortisan	I tried that, I didn't try it enough
08:09	sfan5	meh, again the same minetest crash
08:10	jin_xi	RGB block should not be too difficult too
08:10	khonkhortisan	attempt to call method 'from_table' (a nil value) I did meta2:from_table(meta1:to_table())
08:11	VanessaE	jin_xi: you're evil.
08:11	khonkhortisan	just register a blue lightstone
08:11	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: you code it for mesecons, I'll draw up the textures
08:11	khonkhortisan	you can't wrap multiple wires together in the same node
08:11	khonkhortisan	what would the recipe be?
08:12	VanessaE	um
08:12	khonkhortisan	brick is red, cactus is green, cobble is gray, gravel is darkgray
08:12	VanessaE	well
08:12	VanessaE	water is sometimes used to get blue
08:12	VanessaE	but you know how I feel about using materials when dyes make more sense.
08:12	khonkhortisan	Can there be two outputs to a recipe, a bucket and a lightstone?
08:13	VanessaE	sure
08:13	VanessaE	use the replacements= parameter
08:13	VanessaE	e.g.
08:13	VanessaE	replacements = { {"bucket:bucket_water", "bucket:bucket_empty"} },
08:13	VanessaE	after the recipe block
08:13	khonkhortisan	haha it directly changes the item in the crafting spot?
08:14	sfan5	yaaay! i'm done programming the yC's
08:14	VanessaE	yes
08:14	VanessaE	but only after you take the craft result from the slot on the rightg
08:14	khonkhortisan	Âµ, it's pronounced myoo :P
08:14	khonkhortisan	that begs the question, are buckets stackable, and the second question, how does it replace a stackable item?
08:15	VanessaE	no they are not stackable
08:15	khonkhortisan	what if you replace one in a stack?
08:15	VanessaE	and I don't know what happens if you put a stack of something into the grid and get a replacement
08:15	khonkhortisan	of, say, wood?
08:15	VanessaE	maybe you get the replacement after you remove the remainder of the stack?
08:15	VanessaE	I've never tried that
08:16	khonkhortisan	it's a contender for being an edge case
08:16	khonkhortisan	that would make mesecons depend on bucket
08:17	VanessaE	you could also just require a water source
08:17	VanessaE	but how does one acquire that without a bucket?
08:17	VanessaE	(/giveme is all can think of)
08:17	khonkhortisan	/giveme only, or a special mod made for that purpose, like a sink
08:17	VanessaE	that said,
08:17	VanessaE	the "fiber" is blue...
08:17	khonkhortisan	why not?
08:17	khonkhortisan	that would work
08:17	VanessaE	and that's derived from cooking glue (which in turn is derived from cooking saplings.
08:18	VanessaE	)
08:19	VanessaE	what else in the game is blue or coul dbe made so?
08:20	vicscandl	VanessaE: water, sky, wtf?
08:20	khonkhortisan	blue isn't very common other than water and sky. There's mithril, but that would depend on moreores
08:20	VanessaE	well besides those two
08:20	VanessaE	definitely not mithril. hard enough to find that stuff as it is
08:20	vicscandl	VanessaE: crush glass
08:20	khonkhortisan	500 down
08:20	khonkhortisan	then what do you do with crushed glass? make spike traps?
08:21	vicscandl	khonkhortisan: make blue
08:21	* vicscandl	shrugs
08:21	khonkhortisan	someone will try to make more recipes from crushed glass if it's made
08:21	* vicscandl	rode a shorter bus than you.
08:21	khonkhortisan	I like the short bus, I never got to ride it
08:21	VanessaE	hah
08:21	* vicscandl	hands you a helmet because today is his day to lick the window...
08:22	VanessaE	wait
08:22	* vicscandl	mumbles something about snozberries...
08:22	VanessaE	is anything useful done with papyrus besides making paper?
08:22	sfan5	http://i.imgur.com/UiB7r.png http://i.imgur.com/NMZBR.png :)
08:22	VanessaE	cook that down maybe?
08:22	sfan5	+1
08:22	khonkhortisan	I don't think so, glue papyrus?
08:23	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: glue comes from saplings
08:23	vicscandl	nice sfan5
08:23	VanessaE	sfan5: nice
08:23	khonkhortisan	glue papyrus together and you get...green!
08:23	Bad_Command	Some mod makes sugar out of papyrus. Then baked stuff.
08:23	khonkhortisan	nature pack, strawberry pie
08:24	khonkhortisan	oh hello
08:24	Bad_Command	hi
08:24	VanessaE	damn
08:24	VanessaE	hey BC
08:24	VanessaE	ok so forget papyrus.
08:24	khonkhortisan	I still like fiber for blue lightstone
08:25	VanessaE	fiber will work in the absence of something better I guess
08:25	khonkhortisan	fiber makes more sense than gravel for refracting light
08:25	VanessaE	I expect that gravel et.al merely give the color, like frosted glass
08:26	VanessaE	of course, glass isn't needed in a glowstone, so..
08:26	VanessaE	'scuse me, a lightstone.
08:26	VanessaE	mesecon wire + torch = magic :-)
08:27	khonkhortisan	what's a glowstone? Have you been working with mods we don't know about?
08:27	VanessaE	glowstone is from ...um...which one was it?
08:27	VanessaE	moreblocks?
08:27	VanessaE	might be blox or bobblocks that carries that one
08:27	khonkhortisan	I think it's its own mod
08:28	VanessaE	yup
08:28	VanessaE	it's blox.
08:28	VanessaE	anyway
08:29	khonkhortisan	it's in spawnblocks too
08:30	khonkhortisan	that fiber kind of stands out when next to a microcontroller
08:31	khonkhortisan	got those textures ready?
08:31	VanessaE	one sec
08:31	VanessaE	didn't know you were ready
08:31	khonkhortisan	it's a one-liner
08:31	khonkhortisan	hey, a quit crash!
08:32	khonkhortisan	double free or corruption
08:33	VanessaE	ok
08:33	VanessaE	images merged
08:33	khonkhortisan	request sent
08:34	VanessaE	got it
08:34	VanessaE	merged.
08:34	khonkhortisan	crafted.
08:34	VanessaE	let's see how it looks in practice...
08:34	khonkhortisan	the description is "blue Lightstone"
08:35	khonkhortisan	all of them are like that "gray Lightstone"
08:35	VanessaE	craft works
08:35	VanessaE	and it lights up
08:35	khonkhortisan	cAPITalIZatiON
08:36	VanessaE	go ahead and push a patch to fix the caps
08:36	khonkhortisan	for some reason I was expecting the frosted look of the white bobblock
08:37	khonkhortisan	rgb display looks good
08:37	VanessaE	yup, just made a test of it
08:37	VanessaE	ok sfan5 , your turn :-)
08:37	sfan5	what?
08:38	khonkhortisan	if you make rgb, make the pixels 3x3
08:38	khonkhortisan	time to update!
08:38	sfan5	ok
08:38	VanessaE	better,
08:38	VanessaE	use a modified Bayer pattermn
08:39	VanessaE	R B
08:39	VanessaE	B G
08:39	VanessaE	(instead of two greens)
08:39	khonkhortisan	but thene it's off
08:39	khonkhortisan	RGB
08:39	khonkhortisan	RGB
08:39	khonkhortisan	RGB
08:39	VanessaE	well RGB triplets work too but they're 3x1 then
08:39	VanessaE	(i.e. non-square)
08:39	khonkhortisan	how will you make blue half brightness?
08:39	khonkhortisan	modify the pattern?
08:39	VanessaE	hm
08:39	VanessaE	well
08:40	VanessaE	you could also to R W
08:40	VanessaE	G B
08:40	VanessaE	er
08:40	VanessaE	R W
08:40	VanessaE	G B
08:40	khonkhortisan	there's gray
08:40	VanessaE	where W = a "grey" lightstone
08:40	VanessaE	(which looks more white than grey when lit)
08:40	khonkhortisan	hehe it's supposed to be green that's too much instead of blue
08:41	khonkhortisan	three doesn't divide into four very well
08:41	VanessaE	a lot of digital projectors use RGBW as their output format; mine uses RrGgBbW
08:41	khonkhortisan	RGB
08:41	khonkhortisan	GRB
08:41	khonkhortisan	BGR
08:41	khonkhortisan	whoops swapped two
08:41	khonkhortisan	RGB\|BRG\|GBR is what I meant
08:41	VanessaE	right
08:42	VanessaE	that's a thought
08:42	VanessaE	I think the OLPC screen uses that format
08:43	khonkhortisan	yep but it rotates the other way, depending on the orientation you look at it
08:43	khonkhortisan	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLPC_XO-1#Display_resolution
08:44	VanessaE	typ
08:44	khonkhortisan	it does look better than stripes, especially when the stripes are bigger than the people looking at the screen
08:44	VanessaE	yup
08:44	VanessaE	haha
08:45	khonkhortisan	I'm still waiting for the row-column address of a mesecon rgb screen
08:45	VanessaE	eh
08:45	khonkhortisan	it could be done
08:45	VanessaE	it'll have to be done the hard way I think
08:45	VanessaE	each lightstone = one bit, regardless of its color
08:46	khonkhortisan	I could do it with three wires per pixel, but not with the address stuff
08:49	khonkhortisan	huh. Can we have voltages on wires for dimmer switches?
08:49	khonkhortisan	in-between on and off?
08:50	khonkhortisan	I committed that change while having an unstaged change laying around. I'm getting better at git.
08:52	VanessaE	I'm afraid not
08:53	VanessaE	jeija would never go for it
08:53	khonkhortisan	Why not?
08:53	VanessaE	but there is always realbadangel's technic mod, it does that
08:53	sfan5	rwgb pixel: http://i.imgur.com/wKLiY.png
08:53	VanessaE	because mesecons are supposed to be purely logic 0/1 similar to TTL
08:54	khonkhortisan	ick, try making your pixel do something useful. That'll be a challenge.
08:54	khonkhortisan	so the power doesn't have to be returned to ground
08:54	VanessaE	sfan5: nice. stack that sucker up :-)
08:54	khonkhortisan	I see you lost your fancy addresses
08:54	sfan5	umm, its not stackable
08:54	khonkhortisan	why not?
08:55	khonkhortisan	just don't use side addresses until you separate the wires further out from the display
08:55	sfan5	i was wrong
08:55	sfan5	its stackable
08:56	khonkhortisan	congrats, you have 16 colors!
08:56	VanessaE	yay!
08:56	VanessaE	you can now emulate the screen from a ZX Spectrum :-)
08:56	khonkhortisan	more if you can figure out how to get both a gray and a darkgray LED in there
08:56	VanessaE	(I'd say CGA but you'd have to find some way to account for brown)
08:57	khonkhortisan	might have to have duplicate controls at various viewing distances
08:59	khonkhortisan	I think I'm going to lose the competition
08:59	VanessaE	sfan5: by the way, are you working off the world I distributed earlier? your screenshots look like it :-)
09:00	sfan5	no
09:00	VanessaE	oh ok
09:00	VanessaE	just done similar to mine is all
09:00	khonkhortisan	Â¿there's a meta:to_table() but no meta:from_table()?
09:00	khonkhortisan	attempt to call method 'from_table' (a nil value)
09:00	jin_xi	look at hacky_swap_node
09:00	VanessaE	serialize it yourself you lazy bastard ;-)
09:01	khonkhortisan	I can't guess what strings are set
09:01	VanessaE	just kidding :-)
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09:03	sfan5	http://i.imgur.com/a8Wj4.png
09:04	VanessaE	nice
09:05	VanessaE	sfan5: time to extend worldedit to copy metadata/sign-like data :-)
09:05	khonkhortisan	I would recommend making the output wires flat instead of 3D
09:05	khonkhortisan	I'm working on that, please help
09:05	khonkhortisan	or do it yourself
09:05	khonkhortisan	it's needed
09:07	khonkhortisan	hacky_swap_node uses meta:from_table(), which appears to be a nil value.
09:08	khonkhortisan	it can't be done!
09:09	VanessaE	?
09:10	khonkhortisan	there's no such thing as meta:from_table() but there is a meta:to_table()
09:10	khonkhortisan	oh. big oops!
09:10	khonkhortisan	meta = env:get_node(pos)
09:10	* khonkhortisan	is embarrassed
09:10	VanessaE	heh
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09:12	khonkhortisan	2:13:14 here, bye!
09:12	RealBadAngel	hi all
09:12	khonkhortisan	hi bye!
09:14	VanessaE	hey RBA
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09:15	RealBadAngel	hey ho VanessaE
09:15	RealBadAngel	have you done somethin with tubes?
09:17	RealBadAngel	ive tried already to simulate items goin through them
09:17	RealBadAngel	looks cool
09:18	VanessaE	nothing new since I last posted the new textures.
09:18	VanessaE	video?
09:18	* VanessaE	wants to see :)
09:18	RealBadAngel	my ftp is down, dunno why
09:19	VanessaE	also, you'll want to add in some auto-rotate/autoplace code to make the tubes connect with whatever will use them, I didn't put anything like that in as I did with the steel pipes.
09:19	RealBadAngel	called technician yesterday he told me problem is known
09:19	VanessaE	so use youtube :D
09:19	RealBadAngel	tubes shall connect to MANY kind of nodes
09:20	RealBadAngel	chests machines
09:20	VanessaE	maybe I'll put in dummy start/end nodes just for example code or so, but beyond that I'll leave it to you
09:20	RealBadAngel	in fact every node that will have inverntory
09:21	VanessaE	(maybe a an "teller" station as in a bank for the source, and a chest for the destination)
09:21	VanessaE	-an
09:21	RealBadAngel	i think i will do that with already checked and workin solution :)
09:21	VanessaE	ok
09:21	RealBadAngel	guess what
09:21	VanessaE	so when do I get to see the code? :-)
09:21	RealBadAngel	tubelike =1
09:22	RealBadAngel	:)
09:22	VanessaE	tubelike=1,
09:22	VanessaE	on_construct = function(pos)
09:22	VanessaE	local meta = minetest.env:get_meta(pos)
09:22	VanessaE	meta:set_int("tubelike",1)
09:22	VanessaE	end,
09:22	VanessaE	already there :-)
09:23	RealBadAngel	we will just add the same to the nodes that we will want the tubes to connect to
09:23	RealBadAngel	and all will work as a charm
09:23	RealBadAngel	i will end the cleanin in my code
09:24	RealBadAngel	and will send you workin one for you to play with
09:24	VanessaE	ok
09:33	RealBadAngel	anybody seen sdzen lately?
09:33	VanessaE	he pops in and out
09:34	RealBadAngel	need some new textures
09:34	VanessaE	what textures?
09:35	RealBadAngel	hes makin low res textures for my machines
09:35	VanessaE	ah
09:35	RealBadAngel	i do have now 5 new machines waitin for him :)
09:36	RealBadAngel	project table, alloy furnace, generator, geothermal power plant
09:36	RealBadAngel	and the nuclear reactor
09:37	* vicscandl	wants RealBadAngel to code a W.O.P.R. so he can play "Global Thermonuclear War"
09:38	RealBadAngel	it could be possible
09:38	* vicscandl	kicks Mr. Broderick in the bals, quite squarely.
09:38	RealBadAngel	just "forget" to cool down reactor chamber
09:38	RealBadAngel	you will miss your base then ;)
09:38	vicscandl	overheats when you play minetest
09:39	RealBadAngel	uranium use will cause core raisin heat level
09:39	RealBadAngel	when it will hit critical level
09:40	RealBadAngel	kaboom
09:40	* vicscandl	eats your core raisin.
09:41	RealBadAngel	you will be able to minimize the effect with reinforced concrete
09:41	VanessaE	um, I don't think that was a raisin, vicscandl.
09:42	RealBadAngel	lol
09:42	RealBadAngel	definitely not
09:42	VanessaE	is uranium supposed to glow like that?
09:42	VanessaE	;)
09:47	RealBadAngel	ok, im done with ores
09:47	RealBadAngel	ive added 3
09:48	RealBadAngel	diamonds for cutting and crafting coils, wires etc
09:48	RealBadAngel	chromium for stainless steel
09:48	RealBadAngel	and uranium for power
09:48	jin_xi	no alu for beer cans?
09:49	RealBadAngel	hehehe
09:49	RealBadAngel	no
09:49	VanessaE	no bananas either?
09:49	VanessaE	RealBadAngel needs to add a Mr. Fusion reactor ;-)
09:50	RealBadAngel	ive made the ores to be found on different levels
09:51	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: I must see a video of the entities "flowing" through the pneumatic tubes :-)
09:51	RealBadAngel	so i think i avoided rainbow caves effect
09:51	* jin_xi	laughs at vicscandl's post count
09:51	NakedFury	rainbow only happens if you dont limit ores
09:51	RealBadAngel	ive made diamonds to be found deep
09:51	NakedFury	if every ore can be found from a certain point to the lowest depth the game handles then it can happen
09:52	RealBadAngel	uranium -100 to -200
09:52	VanessaE	diamond should only be found deep, and only buried in coal.
09:52	RealBadAngel	and chromium -300 to -450
09:52	VanessaE	imho
09:52	RealBadAngel	diamonds are -650 and below
09:53	RealBadAngel	and more rare than mithril
09:54	RealBadAngel	15minutes of diggin and ive found like 5 of them
10:08	RealBadAngel	http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9045/technicmineraluranium.png
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10:15	Tengri	redcrab?
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10:20	VanessaE	he doesn't hang out here much
10:22	RealBadAngel	http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7441/scrfs.png
10:22	RealBadAngel	uranium and diamond ores
10:22	RealBadAngel	how do you like it?
10:26	VanessaE	not bad, but I hope it'll use the regular stone texture also :-)
10:27	RealBadAngel	of course
10:28	RealBadAngel	same pattern as all other ores, but uranium is blue-green, chromium almost white
10:28	RealBadAngel	diamond light blue
10:31	Basstard`	Pearls?
10:33	VanessaE	I could see pearls being a rare drop from collecting clams at the bottom of a lake perhaps
10:34	VanessaE	what use would they have? dunno
10:34	Basstard`	What use do they have otherwise?
10:35	FreeFull	Pearl blocks
10:35	jin_xi	super bad fuel
10:35	FreeFull	Power necklaces
10:35	FreeFull	Voodoo
10:35	VanessaE	well, jewelry aside, I dunno
10:35	RealBadAngel	http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4363/screenshot195836092.png
10:35	RealBadAngel	almost complete ores gallery, just the chromium is missed
10:35	VanessaE	gee, I recognize that coal lump! :-)
10:36	RealBadAngel	hehe
10:36	VanessaE	I use the exact same image as the inventory item for default:coal_lump :-)
10:36	RealBadAngel	i know
10:37	VanessaE	btw if you want to add galena/lead ore to your pack/mod/whatever, I have nice images of that too
10:37	RealBadAngel	uranium/tin/mithril/copper/gold/silver/coal/iron/diamond
10:38	VanessaE	https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/master/Vanessa_512HD/unobtanium_mineral.png
10:38	VanessaE	https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/master/Vanessa_512HD/unobtanium_lump.png
10:38	VanessaE	(still need to strip the "mineral" one of it's surrounding stone)
10:39	VanessaE	I'd love to put those images to use some time.
10:39	VanessaE	they were made for a mod that never came to be
10:43	RealBadAngel	could use lump image for chromium ore
10:43	RealBadAngel	can i?
10:43	VanessaE	please.
10:43	RealBadAngel	hold on
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10:44	VanessaE	use one for the ore and the other for the lump :-)
10:47	Tengri	redcrab? someone is attacking your server with a skript. spawn city looks like a vulcan
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10:49	RealBadAngel	uploadin
10:50	RealBadAngel	http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2386/screenshot196716439.png
10:50	VanessaE	sweet
10:51	Tengri	well, realy nice
10:51	Tengri	how much pixel per block?
10:51	RealBadAngel	128x
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10:52	RealBadAngel	but with lotsa blurr
10:52	RealBadAngel	to make it smooth
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10:53	Calinou	back
10:53	VanessaE	there, finally I can retire those old images :-)
10:54	RealBadAngel	http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2386/screenshot196716439.png
10:54	RealBadAngel	repeat for you Calinou
10:54	VanessaE	inb4 HD texture packs are noisy
10:54	RealBadAngel	complete ore gallery
10:54	VanessaE	:D
10:55	RealBadAngel	thats why i use blurr to make textures not so noisy
10:55	VanessaE	if c55 or someone would just implement texture filtering it wouldn't be necessary - even 16px textures look like ass without it sometimes
10:55	RealBadAngel	uranium/tin/mithril/copper/gold/silver/coal/iron/diamond/chromium
10:55	Basstard`	8px
10:56	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: you want a higher-resolution version of that galena lump?
10:56	RealBadAngel	i work with 256x and scalin them down
10:56	VanessaE	nod but that one was only 64px :-)
10:57	RealBadAngel	so i upsaled it
10:57	VanessaE	here's the ore (gimp XCF) btw: https://github.com/VanessaE/realistic-textures-data-files/blob/master/project-files/galena-chunks.xcf
10:57	RealBadAngel	result is acceptable imho
10:57	VanessaE	https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/realistic-textures-data-files/master/project-files/unobtanium_lump.png
10:58	VanessaE	there. scale that down and it'll look better than the upscaled small one
10:59	RealBadAngel	ok, lets try
11:00	Basstard`	Scaling ingame.
11:00	RealBadAngel	its gettin noisy
11:00	VanessaE	Basstard`: ...doesn't work very well.
11:01	RealBadAngel	1st made look way better
11:01	Basstard`	VanessaE: Make it work well.
11:01	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: now apply a blur like with the other stuff
11:01	VanessaE	upscaled produces jaggies, downscaled doesn't :-)
11:01	RealBadAngel	hmmm
11:04	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: told ya. :-)
11:05	RealBadAngel	http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5525/technicmineralchromium1.png
11:05	RealBadAngel	i think theyre almost the same
11:06	RealBadAngel	on the gallery theres upscaled one
11:06	RealBadAngel	here downscaled
11:06	VanessaE	I can see the difference
11:06	VanessaE	it's subtle but the downscaled one looks better.
11:06	RealBadAngel	a little :)
11:07	RealBadAngel	maybe if i choose to make 256x the difference then would be more visible
11:08	VanessaE	oh yes
11:08	RealBadAngel	with 128x theyre almost identical
11:08	VanessaE	what do you use for the lump you get out of the ore/
11:08	VanessaE	?
11:08	RealBadAngel	lump is 16x by now, so the ingot
11:09	RealBadAngel	same images as rest of the ores/lumps
11:09	RealBadAngel	just the colors
11:10	VanessaE	ah
11:10	RealBadAngel	diamond is 128x
11:10	RealBadAngel	uranium is to be made
11:11	RealBadAngel	ive made some time ago crystal blocks out of some pattern found
11:12	RealBadAngel	lemme find it
11:13	Basstard`	I prefer everything to be the lowest of the lowest.
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11:15	RealBadAngel	http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7408/technicdiamondblock.png
11:15	RealBadAngel	pretty nice imho
11:16	VanessaE	very nice
11:16	RealBadAngel	can be coloured for various crystals
11:17	RealBadAngel	red green blue looks really pretty
11:17	RealBadAngel	its a genetica generated pattern
11:18	Calinou	looks nice, RealBadAngel
11:18	RealBadAngel	really cool tool for makin textures
11:18	Calinou	not too noisy
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11:25	RealBadAngel	so, diamond block added
11:26	RealBadAngel	http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7830/screenshot198875975.png
11:26	Basstard`	How about a diamond block block?
11:26	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: oh that is beautiful
11:26	VanessaE	suggest you desaturate it some though
11:27	VanessaE	make it more silvery than blue, and slide the tint a bit further clockwise
11:30	RealBadAngel	hold on
11:32	RealBadAngel	played a bit with color curves
11:33	RealBadAngel	http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3548/screenshot199311006.png
11:33	VanessaE	eh, not enough contrast
11:33	VanessaE	otherwise it's better
11:34	RealBadAngel	make it a bit darker?
11:34	VanessaE	just turn the contrast up and the brightness down
11:34	VanessaE	maybe by 20% each
11:34	VanessaE	turn the saturation down by 50%
11:35	RealBadAngel	contrast up could make it too noisy
11:36	VanessaE	just be careful :-)
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11:38	RealBadAngel	went for more "silver" look, nah
11:38	RealBadAngel	dont like it
11:39	RealBadAngel	goin back to blue
11:40	RealBadAngel	ha, got an idea
11:40	RealBadAngel	brb
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11:47	RealBadAngel	done
11:47	RealBadAngel	http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9643/screenshot200174925.png
11:47	* VanessaE	waits patiently for the pneumatic tubes video...
11:47	VanessaE	;)
11:47	RealBadAngel	how do you like it?
11:47	VanessaE	ok, that ^^^ is nice
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11:51	RealBadAngel	gonna leave them in mod
11:52	RealBadAngel	will add just recipes to make the couloured ones
11:52	RealBadAngel	with dyes propably
11:52	VanessaE	unified dyes of course :D
11:53	RealBadAngel	hehehe
11:55	* VanessaE	taps foot and waits patiently for the pneumatic tubes video...
11:56	VanessaE	;)
11:56	RealBadAngel	ok ok, finished with ores for today
11:56	RealBadAngel	just one more screenshot
11:57	RealBadAngel	and im off for more technical stuff
11:57	VanessaE	ok :)
11:57	VanessaE	I'm dying to see this in action, at least in a video anyway
11:57	RealBadAngel	http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img109/6175/screenshot200740382.png
11:57	RealBadAngel	oops
11:57	RealBadAngel	http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6175/screenshot200740382.png
11:58	VanessaE	nice
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12:01	sfan5	http://xkcd.com/571/ :D
12:02	VanessaE	haha
12:03	VanessaE	abe just shakes his head at it :-)
12:08	RealBadAngel	lol
12:14	RealBadAngel	damn, wheres sdzen
12:15	RealBadAngel	somebody wake him up please ;)
12:15	VanessaE	heh
12:25	* VanessaE	taps foot and waits patiently for the pneumatic tubes video...
12:25	VanessaE	:D
12:29	Basstard`	Tom Waits too.
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12:30	NekoGloop	Ello
12:30	VanessaE	hey neko
12:30	NekoGloop	Yes?
12:30	VanessaE	um... hi? :)
12:30	NekoGloop	Lol
12:30	Basstard`	Hello Neko!
12:30	NekoGloop	Sounded like you wanted something
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12:39	* NekoGloop	pokes vanessae :3
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12:46	RealBadAngel	at least :)
12:47	NekoGloop	Hello rba :3
12:54	VanessaE	ow.
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12:55	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
12:55	VanessaE	hi PilzAdam
12:55	* NekoGloop	pokes vanessae again :3
12:56	Basstard`	MushroomMan.
12:57	VanessaE	ok I'm bored.
13:00	NekoGloop	So am i :3
13:00	* PilzAdam	too
13:00	NekoGloop	Well i cant fix that :P
13:01	VanessaE	well if RealBadAngel would get that damn video done already ;-)
13:01	VanessaE	at least we'd have something to entertain us for 1-2 mins :D
13:03	NekoGloop	Hm?
13:04	VanessaE	NekoGloop: RealBadAngel keeps teasing me with this damn technic mod, namely the parts that use pipes and pneumatic tubes, which I wrote
13:04	NekoGloop	Heh
13:04	VanessaE	I wanna see it (a video is sufficient) :-)
13:05	* NekoGloop	gives vanessae a cookie and tells her to wait :3
13:06	PilzAdam	VanessaE, this will entertain you for some hours: http://kinox.to/Stream/The_Big_Bang_Theory-1.html
13:06	VanessaE	meh
13:06	VanessaE	I don't watch TV
13:06	VanessaE	least of all that program
13:07	NekoGloop	Well, if you want i could link you to my game
13:07	NekoGloop	Made in game maker 8.0 lite
13:08	VanessaE	nah, I'm gonna go watch movies in a bit
13:09	NekoGloop	Heh
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13:12	PilzAdam	Hi iqualfragile
13:12	iqualfragile	GrÃ¼ÃŸe
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13:12	PilzAdam	Hi Calinou & _2cool_
13:12	_2cool_	Hello
13:12	_2cool_	I still haven't gotten a forum account...
13:13	iqualfragile	me too
13:13	Basstard`	You're _2cool_ for it.
13:13	_2cool_	Basstard`: http://data.whicdn.com/images/30788085/Happy-oh-stop-it-you-l_large.png
13:14	_2cool_	there's a space in there somewhere...
13:14	_2cool_	Nope
13:14	Basstard`	You're _2cool_ for a space.
13:15	_2cool_	okay now, that's enough
13:15	NekoGloop	You're too much of a Basstard`.
13:15	_2cool_	bad neko bad
13:15	NekoGloop	Heh heh
13:16	_2cool_	These headphones are so loud that they were sitting beside me and I heard the sound from the computer louder than the built-in speakers from them
13:18	RealBadAngel	VanessaE: sdzen is makin the textures now
13:18	RealBadAngel	and im coding
13:18	RealBadAngel	there will be big update today i believe
13:22	_2cool_	insulated mesecons can't round corners...
13:22	NekoGloop	No they cant
13:22	_2cool_	interesting
13:22	VanessaE	ok
13:22	NekoGloop	You need normal ones
13:22	_2cool_	yep, just a few alterations and this will be finished
13:22	NekoGloop	Maybe... Insulated should be craftable back into normal and the fiber
13:23	_2cool_	But you can only get one output on a crafting recipe?
13:23	NekoGloop	Use replacements
13:23	NekoGloop	Replace the insulated with fiber and have output be normal mesecon
13:24	_2cool_	hmmm
13:24	_2cool_	cool
13:24	_2cool_	Too much time on your hands: Building a piece of a mesecon circuit, then deleting it to do something better
13:28	NekoGloop	Yup
13:28	NekoGloop	Worldedit is awesome for that ;)
13:29	_2cool_	no
13:29	NekoGloop	Ya it is
13:29	_2cool_	not when it goes around corners
13:29	NekoGloop	//dig
13:29	_2cool_	that had interesting effects...
13:29	NekoGloop	Usually it does
13:29	_2cool_	And the circuit Won't kill!
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13:30	_2cool_	That'll need some delayers next time...
13:31	NekoGloop	...
13:31	NekoGloop	Anyway
13:31	NekoGloop	"minetest-c55" is an AWESOME seed on minecraft pocket edition
13:31	_2cool_	What does it do?
13:32	NekoGloop	Lots of useful stuff
13:32	Basstard`	We're _2cool_ for that.
13:33	NekoGloop	You're a Basstard`.
13:34	Basstard`	I'm _2cool_ to be a Basstard`.
13:34	NekoGloop	Then change thyself
13:35	Basstard`	I'm _2cool_ to change myself.
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13:50	RealBadAngel	no life. we are coding
13:50	* VanessaE	is trying to help the cleanup efforts on redcrab:30401
13:51	VanessaE	massive griefing
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13:51	_2cool_	That was strange
14:00	_2cool_	Hello?
14:11	* VanessaE	gives up
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14:35	_2cool_	Is there anything that movestones can't move?
14:36	VanessaE	chests I think
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14:40	Calinou	chests/furnaces and anything with content inside I guess
14:52	_2cool_	Nope, they can move chests
14:53	PilzAdam	with content?
14:53	_2cool_	Put content in
14:54	_2cool_	Nevermind, it was just some freak error
14:54	_2cool_	Okay, I see
14:55	_2cool_	If you put chests in the chest, then the movestone pushes it. If there is something else in the chest, then it can't
14:56	_2cool_	That's not the problem...
14:58	_2cool_	Movestones are unstoppable :(
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15:11	bas080	Rubenwardy, are you there?
15:17	VanessaE	he's in -delta
15:17	VanessaE	or was when he last spoke
15:17	VanessaE	(about 30 mins ago)
15:18	VanessaE	he's here, bas080
15:18	VanessaE	in -delta
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15:21	rubenwardy	did someone want me?
15:23	Calinou	VanessaE wants you :p
15:23	Calinou	(she said)
15:23	PilzAdam	bas080, wants you
15:23	rubenwardy	ok?
15:24	rubenwardy	bas080
15:24	bas080	I was thinking about the chess mod. Chess piece ownership should also be part of the rules.lua including functions to assign owenrship
15:25	bas080	Still thinking about how that could be implemented correctly.
15:25	saschaheylik	chess, awesome :D
15:26	saschaheylik	i wish i didnt suck at it
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15:27	rubenwardy	hum, i was also thinking that if we want to implement multiple chess boards, it makes things a lot more complicated, does it not?
15:27	bas080	I have no experience with node ownership. Will check out Chest mods
15:29	bas080	but what function would make sense? maybe a function where you type something like... /chessownerwhite
15:29	bas080	chessownerwhite <playername>
15:29	bas080	and then you punch the spawn node
15:30	rubenwardy	or chat message (White player punch node)
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15:31	rubenwardy	that could work...
15:31	bas080	that's shorter for sure
15:32	bas080	i like it
15:32	iqualfragile	pilzadam: https://github.com/PilzAdam/MinetestAmbience/commit/505b627c0cbf0dfe1d8e24da52db45894449b3c6
15:32	rubenwardy	as in when the block is punched chat msg is sent to all, and white person then punches it
15:32	iqualfragile	Vielen Dank
15:32	Calinou	wow the redcrab server is in a pretty bad state... I smell an incoming map reset (I hope there are backups though)
15:32	PilzAdam	iqualfragile, Kein ding alter!
15:33	rubenwardy	ikr
15:33	saschaheylik	fix
15:33	VanessaE	I wish he'd upgrade to 0.4.2 and install some more mods
15:33	iqualfragile	Wie hÃ¤ufig holst du die Ã„nderungen von https://github.com/Neuromancer56/MinetestAmbience zu dir rÃ¼ber?
15:33	rubenwardy	i have all my valuables in invertory, so if he does do map reset, i will still have them
15:34	rubenwardy	the server is f*cked up
15:34	Calinou	upgrade to 0.4.2: "HOW DO I CONNECT???" spam :/
15:34	bas080	rubenwardy, so it requires for the one to who the color is assigned to punch to agree
15:34	bas080	?
15:34	rubenwardy	yes
15:34	VanessaE	Calinou: already seeing that now with people wanting to use 0.4.2 on all the old outdated servers
15:35	Calinou	yes, people that can be bothered to read will use 0.4.2
15:35	VanessaE	may as well make the switch now while the confusion is at its height
15:35	Calinou	this can act as a very basic grief protection
15:36	bas080	rubenwardy, ok... i will add this feature to the the forum with some explanation of how it will be implemented.
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15:47	Octupus	Hey guys I'm on my iPod :)
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15:48	rubenwardy	hi
15:48	BicycleRepairMan	hey ruben
15:48	rubenwardy	hi
15:48	VanessaE	ruben, sign on please
15:49	PilzAdam	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant
15:49	Immanuel_Kant	jeah, but there is a error in the text
15:49	Immanuel_Kant	i am not dead
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15:50	Immanuel_Kant	*an
15:50	NekoGloop	Oh a new person
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15:50	PilzAdam	"AafklÃ¤rung ist der Austritt aus der selbstverschuldeten UnmÃ¼ndigkeit."
15:50	PilzAdam	*AufklÃ¤rung
15:51	VanessaE	wow, redcrab went kerblooey
15:52	Immanuel_Kant	selbstverschuldet ist diese UnmÃ¼ndigkeit nicht, weil es an Verstand oder... and so on
15:52	Immanuel_Kant	i know it ;)
15:52	PilzAdam	ara you german?
15:52	Immanuel_Kant	yes
15:52	PilzAdam	*are
15:52	PilzAdam	great!
15:52	Immanuel_Kant	why? you too?
15:52	PilzAdam	yes
15:52	Immanuel_Kant	gut
15:52	Immanuel_Kant	:D
15:53	PilzAdam	Was soll denn Pilz auf Englisch heisÃŸen?
15:53	Immanuel_Kant	vllt ein Synonym fÃ¼r Bier :D
15:53	PilzAdam	:-)
15:54	PilzAdam	iqualfragile ist auch deutsch
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15:54	Immanuel_Kant	:)
15:55	PilzAdam	:-)
15:55	PilzAdam	http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust._Eine_Trag%C3%B6die.
15:57	jin_xi	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slime_mold idea for minetest?
15:57	Dr_Faust	Habe nun, ach! Philosophie,
15:57	Dr_Faust	Juristerei und Medizin,
15:57	Dr_Faust	Und leider auch Theologie!
15:57	Dr_Faust	Durchaus studiert, mit heiÃŸem BemÃ¼hn.
15:57	Dr_Faust	Da steh ich nun, ich armer Tor!
15:57	Dr_Faust	Und bin so klug als wie zuvor;
15:58	Dr_Faust	that stÃ¼f ist great!
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15:58	Dr_Faust	they do actualy move around and eat stuff
15:58	rubenwardy	VanessaE stupid superbob
15:58	VanessaE	yeah I kjnow
15:58	Dr_Faust	and they are plants
15:58	Immanuel_Kant	thats an idea for minetest: http://www.bierzapfen.de/webshop/bilder/hg4/Zapfanlage35.jpg
15:58	VanessaE	and I was just about to go look for skyward city
15:59	PilzAdam	Immanuel_Kant, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2702
15:59	VanessaE	rubenwardy: great, now I think I'm causing an occasional restart
15:59	Immanuel_Kant	lol ok, war eigentlich klar das es das schon gibt
16:00	VanessaE	speak english please
16:00	rubenwardy	Immanuel_Kant, what is that last link?
16:00	Immanuel_Kant	a picture
16:00	rubenwardy	of what, a gass cooker?
16:00	* PilzAdam	facepalms
16:01	PilzAdam	you know what beer is?
16:01	rubenwardy	oh, it is a dispensor
16:01	Immanuel_Kant	a beer dispenser
16:01	rubenwardy	why does it have a gass bottle next to it?
16:01	rubenwardy	or is it coolent
16:02	Immanuel_Kant	its for the pressure
16:02	rubenwardy	ok
16:03	PilzAdam	VanessaE, we should add a bot to the forum that replies to all the topics in Bugs and Problems with this: "Please give more information"
16:03	rubenwardy	what do you think guys: http://tinyurl.com/mtmdfrm
16:03	rubenwardy	lol
16:04	Immanuel_Kant	btw ruben what is with my credits now?
16:04	Immanuel_Kant	:D
16:04	Immanuel_Kant	was the iron at spawn city?
16:04	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, I like the test mod and test mod 2
16:05	rubenwardy	yes
16:05	rubenwardy	testing database that is
16:05	VanessaE	PilzAdam: haha
16:05	rubenwardy	credits?
16:05	Immanuel_Kant	bank
16:05	rubenwardy	in what?
16:06	Immanuel_Kant	are you not play at redcrabs server?
16:06	rubenwardy	how much did you have?
16:06	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, How do i create a account?
16:06	rubenwardy	if i get to keep my inventory, the credits are kept
16:07	rubenwardy	if not sorry,
16:07	rubenwardy	PilzAdam: www.tinyurl.com/ruben-credit
16:08	Immanuel_Kant	Credits: 110
16:08	Immanuel_Kant	but wayne - need it not atm
16:09	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, didnt work
16:09	rubenwardy	testmod and test mod2 deleted,,,
16:09	rubenwardy	link or signup?
16:10	PilzAdam	ive created a acoount but i cannot login in the forum
16:10	Calinou	why? you must enable cookies iirc
16:10	rubenwardy	oh, you meant on the forum not ruben express
16:10	PilzAdam	yes
16:11	rubenwardy	account creation is not possible yet, if you private message me the password, then i will create an account for you
16:11	Calinou	private messaging a password, derp
16:14	rubenwardy	Huh?
16:14	rubenwardy	I can access the database anyway
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16:17	rubenwardy	huh it is Andrew, my real name is Andrew
16:18	rubenwardy	hmmm....
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16:38	Octupus	hello
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16:41	Dr_Faust	rubenwardy: you usualy hash those passwords
16:42	rubenwardy	brb
16:42	* VanessaE	watches redcrab:30401 slowly crumble :(
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16:43	jin_xi	VanessaE: is this texture smoothing? http://imgur.com/a/jbXxV
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16:45	VanessaE	sort of
16:45	VanessaE	that looks like antialiasing or so
16:45	jin_xi	EMF_BILINEAR_FILTER is what it is
16:45	VanessaE	AH
16:45	jin_xi	one line change in clientmap
16:46	VanessaE	can you do trilinear?
16:46	VanessaE	or anisotropic?
16:46	Dr_Faust	fugly
16:46	VanessaE	Dr_Faust: what do you expect out of a 16px texture?
16:46	Dr_Faust	fuglyness
16:47	VanessaE	jin_xi: but, look at the edges of the wielded torch closely (high zoom)
16:47	VanessaE	there's another setting that'll blend those edges into the backgroundf
16:47	VanessaE	-f
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16:48	jin_xi	clientmap.cpp, after line 469 insert this:
16:48	jin_xi
16:49	jin_xi	buf->getMaterial().setFlag(video::EMF_BILINEAR_FILTER, true);
16:49	jin_xi	if you want to try yourself with high res textures.
16:49	jin_xi	can use trilinear i believe...
16:49	VanessaE	after the scene:: line, before the const video:: line?
16:50	jin_xi	http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/namespaceirr_1_1video.html#a8a3bc00ae8137535b9fbc5f40add70d3
16:50	jin_xi	exactly there, VanessaE
16:51	* VanessaE	tries it
16:53	* VanessaE	waits for the game to start.
16:53	VanessaE	there it goes
16:53	VanessaE	doesn't do much good really, only for the close-up stuff
16:54	VanessaE	no appreciable effect on FPS
16:54	thexyz	jin_xi: saw no effect using those
16:54	VanessaE	(and I can tell it is indeed working, textures get blurry up close instead of pixely like the normally do)
16:54	jin_xi	well i see effect, look at link above, but thats with 16x textures
16:55	VanessaE	thexyz: I can see a definitely difference. a marginal improvement, but it does nothing for the distant stuff, that's what AFis for
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16:55	VanessaE	definite*
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16:56	jin_xi	lets try AF then...
16:57	VanessaE	EMF_ANISOTROPIC_FILTER I assume?
16:58	* VanessaE	loads the game...
16:59	jin_xi	yup, but looks the same to me
16:59	VanessaE	AF had no effect.
16:59	VanessaE	maybe it needs to be used in conjunction with bilinear or so
16:59	jin_xi	tried that
16:59	VanessaE	oh
17:00	jin_xi	oops, no did not ;)
17:00	* jin_xi	tries again
17:00	jin_xi	ok, trilin and AF...
17:00	VanessaE	how do I turn both on at the smae time?
17:00	VanessaE	two copies of that line I presume?
17:01	RealBadAngel	i can see there somethin more interestin than filtering
17:01	RealBadAngel	take a look on this:
17:01	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_kjL8ghhiA
17:02	jin_xi	VanessaE: thats what i did
17:02	VanessaE	ok, trying it
17:02	RealBadAngel	or this:
17:02	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvuxFfrTPoU&feature=fvwp
17:02	VanessaE	jin_xi: the AF setting has no effect, but trilinear filtering works for the closer stuff
17:04	VanessaE	I wonder if there's a graphic call that needs to be made to build the AF texture map first?
17:11	rubenwardy	I am implementing hash SHA1 now....
17:13	VanessaE	jin_xi: in practice though, Dr_Faust is right - it looks fugly with the lower-resolution textures
17:13	VanessaE	I think simple antialiasing + AF is more what we need
17:14	Dr_Faust	thats strange:
17:14	Dr_Faust	im running a server
17:14	VanessaE	unless bi/trilinear filtering can somehow be applied only to higher-resolution textures
17:14	Dr_Faust	it takes far too long for it to send chunks to clients
17:15	Dr_Faust	its not limited by its bandwidth
17:15	Dr_Faust	the server just does not send anyting
17:15	Dr_Faust	and i doubt its limited by the servers hardware
17:16	rubenwardy	maybe the router is not steamlined, is RakNet used? is so is router kit thingy installed
17:16	rubenwardy	in minetest i mean
17:16	Dr_Faust	im sorry, i dont get what you mean
17:17	jin_xi	easy, was just reading the source when i saw that, and gave it a try, i like blocky 16x anyways
17:19	rubenwardy	what does minetest use for networking? eg: RakNet, IrrNet
17:19	Dr_Faust	i dont know, how do i controll that?
17:22	VanessaE	jin_xi: no prob. still, what would I insert just to give it a try? :-)
17:23	Dr_Faust	additionaly one of my players reported horrybly delay in moving items around in the inventory
17:24	jin_xi	huh? for AF?
17:24	VanessaE	jin_xi: for simple AA
17:24	jin_xi	EMF_ANTI_ALIASING
17:27	* VanessaE	tries it
17:27	VanessaE	just for shits and grins :-)
17:28	VanessaE	no effect.
17:29	VanessaE	back to AF; there was definitely a difference now that I see it again without
17:36	saschaheylik	you working on AA?
17:36	saschaheylik	gotta go bye
17:37	VanessaE	playing with the settings jin_xi mentioned
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17:49	jin_xi	also try #fsaa = 0 setting in minetest conf?
17:50	NekoGloop	Minus a "#"
17:50	jin_xi	of course
17:57	VanessaE	fullscreen mode works, but fsaa doesn't do anything useful (I don't think that setting even works anymore)
17:57	rubenwardy	hash sha1 encryption of password done -- tinyurl.com/mtmdfrm
17:58	* VanessaE	returns the game back to it's standard code and no filtering.
17:58	VanessaE	I'll let someone who knows what they're doing (read: not me!) figure this out :-)
17:59	NekoGloop	I dont know what i'm doing but i'm doing it
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18:19	VanessaE	wb RBA; GLSL would be nice to see in MT but damned if I know where to start.
18:20	VanessaE	(never got to answer you earlier)
18:20	NekoGloop	What?
18:20	NekoGloop	"glsl" what?
18:20	RealBadAngel	you talkin bump mappin?
18:20	VanessaE	GLSL is a hardware shader language for OpenGL.
18:20	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: no, the second video you showed.
18:21	RealBadAngel	there was here too anyway
18:21	RealBadAngel	me neither hehehe
18:21	RealBadAngel	came here because encountered a problem
18:21	VanessaE	no matter, I don't know much C, even less C++, and I just don't know shit about irrlicht :-)
18:21	RealBadAngel	how to disable collision detection for nodes?
18:22	VanessaE	make the node non-walkable
18:22	VanessaE	walkable = false in your register_node() call.
18:22	RealBadAngel	i got cobble flyin all around
18:22	VanessaE	ohh
18:22	RealBadAngel	but when hit tube it stops heheh
18:22	VanessaE	eh.. that I don't know :-)
18:22	rubenwardy	in irrlicht you can call a function that clears collisions
18:23	VanessaE	you could make the tubes not-walkable but that's not very nice to do
18:23	rubenwardy	you will be on a trip to the underworld though
18:23	RealBadAngel	i need to make them "walkable" by items
18:23	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: "not" walkable means you can't stand on it - you just pass through it, like a plant
18:24	RealBadAngel	lets try
18:24	VanessaE	I think
18:24	RealBadAngel	and somebody please fix "some exception"
18:24	RealBadAngel	its gettin annoyin
18:25	VanessaE	you mean the crash after 20-30 logins/logouts?
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18:25	madchicken13	Hello
18:25	RealBadAngel	EACH login it happens now
18:25	VanessaE	hi madchicken13
18:26	madchicken13	o hey i got a Question for you
18:26	RealBadAngel	if not fresh start, always get that message
18:26	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: I have that issue too. one login is all I get then I have to restart the game - it is due to memory leaks
18:26	RealBadAngel	im on hd tp now
18:26	madchicken13	does anyone know how to compile minetest on Ubuntu 12.04?
18:26	RealBadAngel	without it it happened not so often
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18:27	RealBadAngel	with hd, 100%
18:27	VanessaE	(a true memory leak as in memory is allocated but then never de-allocated, followed by an attempt to allocate more of the same)
18:27	VanessaE	oh you're using my texture pack
18:27	VanessaE	?
18:27	RealBadAngel	mine
18:27	madchicken13	hello???
18:27	VanessaE	or your 128px one
18:27	VanessaE	oh ok
18:27	VanessaE	madchicken13: the README explains it.
18:28	VanessaE	madchicken13: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L78
18:28	madchicken13	well when i compile it minetest dont run it stops loading the aliases at iron_mineral and dumbs the core
18:29	madchicken13	the log is in minetest.net/forum
18:29	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: take a look at the game's memory usage after you get into a world. you'll probably find that it is using upwards of 3GB of RAM
18:29	VanessaE	madchicken13: try disabling the texture atlas.
18:30	RealBadAngel	http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/634/screenshot224322361.png
18:30	madchicken13	The error log in here for when i start minetest after i compile : http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2864
18:30	madchicken13	how?
18:30	VanessaE	close the game, edit ~/.minetest/minetest.conf and add this line --> enable_texture_atlas = false
18:30	madchicken13	thnx ill try
18:31	RealBadAngel	look at the cobble flyin away ;)
18:31	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: what am I seeing here?
18:31	hmmmm	hmm nouveau problems...
18:31	RealBadAngel	when put into injector (special kind of chest)
18:32	RealBadAngel	it just fly away :)
18:32	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: is it supposed to? :-)
18:32	RealBadAngel	yes
18:32	RealBadAngel	it shall enter then tube
18:32	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: cool then :D but does it work with the tubes right?
18:32	RealBadAngel	and follow it
18:33	RealBadAngel	but the collisions
18:33	madchicken13	now its randomly crashing (like it starts up and then it crashes out :()
18:33	VanessaE	as an aside, how did you get the pickaxe to draw flat like that?
18:33	VanessaE	madchicken13: only guess is the video driver as hmmmm suggested.
18:33	RealBadAngel	its 128x
18:33	NekoGloop	In wield_scale, make z=0
18:34	VanessaE	ah
18:34	NekoGloop	Similar to how toolsizes makes the tools larger when in hand, just on a different plane.
18:34	madchicken13	its set as opengl ill make it software
18:34	leo_rockway	madchicken13: check the debug file
18:35	madchicken13	i did nothing comes up
18:35	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: maybe you will have to make the entities move manually then
18:35	madchicken13	all there is is the aliases for unknown_block.png comes up
18:36	madchicken13	look here : http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2864
18:38	madchicken13	YES
18:38	madchicken13	it was the opengl driver
18:38	madchicken13	changed it to software it worked!
18:39	VanessaE	madchicken13: don't expect good performance out of software rendering
18:39	VanessaE	you'll be lucky to pull off 10 FPS on a mid-range box.
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18:40	madchicken13	getting 50 FPS
18:40	VanessaE	nice
18:40	NekoGloop	My friend gets 1 fps
18:40	madchicken13	bad 3d graphics
18:40	NekoGloop	With drivers
18:41	madchicken13	looks like crap
18:41	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: what happens if you set the entity's collisionbox to {0,0,0,0,0,0} (six 0's)
18:41	_2cool_	I still haven't gotten the video done...
18:41	_2cool_	Tried 3 times this morning.
18:41	RealBadAngel	walkable settin doesnt work
18:42	RealBadAngel	tryin collision box now
18:43	rubenwardy	try directX as well, incase that works
18:43	VanessaE	directx won't work on linux.
18:43	VanessaE	(nouveau is a linux video driver)
18:45	jin_xi	no hits with all zero collision box
18:46	RealBadAngel	im tryin to put it on tube
18:46	RealBadAngel	not the item
18:47	VanessaE	oh, modifying the tubes themselves
18:47	VanessaE	eh
18:47	VanessaE	well remember they're really solid objects
18:47	RealBadAngel	ok
18:47	RealBadAngel	dropped the idea
18:48	RealBadAngel	youre right
18:48	VanessaE	it wouldn't take much to make them hollow, but I don't see how that would help in practice
18:51	RealBadAngel	so, i got an item
18:51	RealBadAngel	how to set its collisionbox?
18:51	VanessaE	not sure - the same way maybe?
18:51	VanessaE	in your entity definition
18:52	madchicken13	directx dont work on linux that right how do you update your opengl driver?
18:52	RealBadAngel	local item = minetest.env:add_item(pos1, "default:cobble")
18:52	RealBadAngel	local x=pos1.x+1
18:52	RealBadAngel	local y
18:52	RealBadAngel	local z=pos1.z
18:52	RealBadAngel	item:setvelocity({x=1, y=0, z=0})
18:52	RealBadAngel	item:setacceleration({x=0, y=0, z=0})
18:53	RealBadAngel	heres the item flyin away
18:53	VanessaE	madchicken13: let your operating system handle that.
18:53	RealBadAngel	on x axis
18:53	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: maybe item:collisionbox = {0,0,0,0,0,0}, ?
18:53	jin_xi	set acceleration to x=0, y=-10, z=0 to make it heavy
18:54	VanessaE	just a guess, I don't know how entities work
18:54	RealBadAngel	jin_xi: cant, it shall follow the tubes
18:54	jin_xi	item.object:set_properties({ collisionbox = paintbox[fd%2] })
18:54	VanessaE	there we go
18:54	jin_xi	paintbox being some valid nodebox
18:54	RealBadAngel	lets try
18:55	VanessaE	what is the physical = parameter for?
18:55	RealBadAngel	i was thinkin bout it
18:55	jin_xi	look at painting mod source for all sorts of uses of api
18:55	VanessaE	if collisionbox doesn't work, try setting: physical = false
18:55	RealBadAngel	but when messin with tubes not the items
18:55	VanessaE	another rough guess of course
18:55	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: don't mess with the tubes. only mess with the entities :-)
18:57	rubenwardy	how do you sign up for an account on this?
18:57	NekoGloop	...?
18:58	rubenwardy	I am a guest
18:58	rubenwardy	i try entering a password and username on entering and it says: -NickServ- rubenwardy is not a registered nickname
19:00	RealBadAngel	jin_xi: whats that fd%2?
19:01	VanessaE	/msgnicksert register make_up_a_password youremail.address.com
19:01	VanessaE	grrr
19:01	VanessaE	/msg nickserv register make_up_a_password youremail.address.com
19:01	VanessaE	when you get the email, follow the instructions therein to validate your account.
19:01	madchicken13	is there a .deb package for Minetest 0.2.20120822?
19:02	VanessaE	then configure our IRC client to send the nickserv password when you sign in
19:02	VanessaE	madchicken13: no one uses 0.2 anymore
19:02	rubenwardy	thanks
19:02	madchicken13	ok
19:02	madchicken13	:(
19:03	jin_xi	RealBadAngel: its just to index a list of nodeboxes. you dont need it if you supply just one
19:03	RealBadAngel	tryin
19:03	jin_xi	in painting i need different hitboxes for x and z axis, thats why
19:03	RealBadAngel	userdata expected got table
19:03	RealBadAngel	it says so
19:03	rubenwardy	thanks VanessaE
19:04	VanessaE	you're welcome, rubenwardy.
19:04	jin_xi	maybe you need just item:set_properties, without object
19:05	RealBadAngel	no go
19:05	jin_xi	post your line
19:06	rubenwardy	i think there should be a "minetest.duplicate(new_node_name,old_node_name,table_of_changes)" command for lua modding
19:06	rubenwardy	so you could easily change the texture of a furnace to a new rubenfood:cooker mod....
19:06	NekoGloop	You can redefine nodws
19:07	rubenwardy	no redifine, duplicate
19:07	rubenwardy	*not
19:07	NekoGloop	?
19:07	rubenwardy	*redefine
19:07	rubenwardy	As in i want to make a cooker with name rubenfood:cooker, and i want to keep default:furnace
19:08	rubenwardy	so it copies it exactly
19:08	NekoGloop	Then... Copy it?
19:08	rubenwardy	changing any values in table_of_changes
19:08	NekoGloop	Copy the node?
19:08	rubenwardy	yes
19:08	NekoGloop	No
19:09	NekoGloop	Copy the register_node you lazy bum
19:09	RealBadAngel	i cant :P
19:09	rubenwardy	and all the adm's? the minetest.duplicate is so much code effiecent and memory saving
19:09	rubenwardy	*abms
19:10	rubenwardy	the furnace code is farely spreaded around
19:10	NekoGloop	No
19:10	NekoGloop	Only one abm
19:10	RealBadAngel	item.set_properties({ collisionbox = nil })
19:10	RealBadAngel	whatever i try
19:10	RealBadAngel	i can read USERDATA EXPECTED
19:10	VanessaE	not nil
19:11	VanessaE	{0,0,0,0,0,0}
19:11	VanessaE	or some other string
19:11	jin_xi	look at . and :
19:11	RealBadAngel	userdata epected, got table
19:11	RealBadAngel	that game is tellin me
19:11	jin_xi	: means use self as first argument
19:11	VanessaE	wtf does it mean by userdata?
19:11	RealBadAngel	idk
19:11	NekoGloop	Idk what userdata is, ask c55
19:12	VanessaE	unless you just can't set the collision box
19:12	jin_xi	as in item.set_properties(self, {}) == item:set_properties({})
19:12	jin_xi	self is userdata
19:12	VanessaE	try the physical = false idea.
19:12	jin_xi	typically... for that kind of error
19:13	jin_xi	userdata means user defined data. user means programmer of api. userdata means c data
19:13	jin_xi	so you need lua reference to it
19:13	RealBadAngel	i think i will just dump that shit to table change and restore
19:13	rubenwardy	So impressed with myself
19:13	rubenwardy	my mod "traps" got 18 downloads...
19:13	rubenwardy	miniscule to mesecons prob
19:13	RealBadAngel	hehehe
19:14	rubenwardy	and that is just the newest version...
19:14	jin_xi	sorry, really this: item.set_properties(item, {}) == item:set_properties({})
19:14	RealBadAngel	folks are aware of traps ;)
19:14	NekoGloop	Traps?
19:14	NekoGloop	Damn. I was gonna do that.
19:15	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: try the physical = false idea dammit :-)
19:15	jin_xi	^^^ RealBadAngel?
19:15	RealBadAngel	tryin now
19:15	rubenwardy	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2838
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19:16	rubenwardy	VanessaE, how many downloads did your homedecor mod get?
19:16	VanessaE	no idea, I don't know how to track that
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19:17	NekoGloop	Oh.
19:17	rubenwardy	in the downloads section it tells you, but you use zipball so...
19:17	NekoGloop	That's not what i thought rubenwardy meant by traps
19:17	rubenwardy	Spikes already done
19:17	rubenwardy	by Calinou i think
19:17	RealBadAngel	how the heck it should look like??
19:17	rubenwardy	what kind of traps do you mean? Temple style?
19:18	NekoGloop	I was gonna define a trap group
19:18	NekoGloop	Which damages the player as they are in contact
19:18	rubenwardy	oh right
19:18	rubenwardy	you can use abms
19:18	RealBadAngel	item.set_properties( "physical" = false )
19:18	NekoGloop	I know
19:18	NekoGloop	Simple mod but useful
19:18	rubenwardy	and gethp() sethp(hp-1)
19:18	rubenwardy	yeah
19:18	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: probably without the quotes
19:19	NekoGloop	Using bobblocks code ;)
19:20	jin_xi	self.object:set_properties({textures = { foo }}) another line from painting
19:23	RealBadAngel	attempt to index field object a nil value
19:23	VanessaE	with or without the quotes?
19:23	jin_xi	just use item:set_properties() then
19:23	jin_xi	note the :
19:23	RealBadAngel	then i got userdata error
19:24	VanessaE	(sorry if I seem like I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't, and I'm half asleep :D )
19:24	jin_xi	if you want to use . then make it item.set_properties(item, {foo = bar})
19:25	RealBadAngel	item.object:set_properties({physical = false})
19:25	RealBadAngel	with this i got nil error
19:25	jin_xi	well, if object is nil, drop it
19:26	jin_xi	it depends on what exactly item is.
19:26	RealBadAngel	i just put cobble there
19:26	RealBadAngel	it isnt nil
19:26	jin_xi	also can try item:get_luaentity():set_properties(...
19:26	RealBadAngel	dumpin now all the shit to table
19:26	RealBadAngel	goin to see whats ther
19:28	RealBadAngel	rotfl
19:28	RealBadAngel	theres <userdata> in it
19:29	jin_xi	yep userdata is c data
19:29	jin_xi	use get_luaentity to get lua reference
19:29	RealBadAngel	k
19:29	jin_xi	get_luaentity() that is
19:30	RealBadAngel	like so?
19:30	RealBadAngel	item:get_luaentity():set_properties(physical = false)
19:31	jin_xi	i often do someting like p = foo.add_entity():get_luaentity()
19:31	jin_xi	and then use p for stuff like that.
19:31	jin_xi	as i said, look at painting mod for some entity juggling
19:32	RealBadAngel	well this piece at least dont produce errors
19:32	RealBadAngel	but still no go
19:33	RealBadAngel	lets try with collision box again
19:36	RealBadAngel	i really do love LUA
19:36	RealBadAngel	Love U Always
19:36	RealBadAngel	damn
19:36	RealBadAngel	it is so unlogical that hands just go down
19:37	jin_xi	read pil, first parts of first chapters
19:37	jin_xi	explains a lot
19:37	RealBadAngel	im too old coder, too much assembler, too much c++
19:37	jin_xi	lua is a bit lispy ;)
19:38	RealBadAngel	LUA manners simply annoin me
19:39	RealBadAngel	im runnin big project and im stuck for hours because i cant change one fuckin object's property
19:39	jin_xi	i know, had a lot of such frustrations myself
19:40	jin_xi	still do mostly every day :(
19:40	RealBadAngel	really frustrating
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19:41	RealBadAngel	c55 knew what he were doin when took a break
19:41	_2cool_	I have finished recording
19:41	VanessaE	_2cool_: cool. let's see it :-)
19:41	_2cool_	Only recording, not editing
19:41	VanessaE	oh ok
19:42	jin_xi	RealBadAngel: for sure. add to that hordes of people yelling we need this, we need that
19:42	_2cool_	I didn't have my headset plugged in, my built-in mic got the audio though
19:42	RealBadAngel	he avoided me askin him how the fuck to set items variables ;)
19:43	RealBadAngel	i need some music to clear the mind
19:44	VanessaE	oh my G*D
19:44	VanessaE	Neil Armstrong is dead :(
19:44	_2cool_	aww
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19:45	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuz94ZIPfJk
19:45	RealBadAngel	this one should do
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19:50	VanessaE	afternoon leo
19:51	Basstard`	Isn't it always after noon?
19:52	RealBadAngel	somewhere
19:52	VanessaE	just as it's always 5:00 somewhere ;)
19:52	jin_xi	theres always a pedant somewhere
19:53	vicscandl	yawn
19:53	NekoGloop	VanessaE: Omaigawd i love that song \:D/
19:53	VanessaE	I wasn't referencing a song :-)
19:53	RealBadAngel	i did
19:54	NekoGloop	Heh
19:54	NekoGloop	Well i still like that song
19:54	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuz94ZIPfJk
19:54	RealBadAngel	catch this
19:54	vicscandl	sleep->end();
19:55	VanessaE	howdy vic
19:55	_2cool_	264 minuts remaining D:
19:56	_2cool_	video shrinking time!
19:57	rubenwardy	VanessaE: i have made a ton of changes: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/index.php
19:58	VanessaE	much better
19:58	rubenwardy	any one can add mods now
19:59	rubenwardy	just sign up, log in, then click "add entry" on the main page
19:59	_2cool_	Any spam protection (for precaution)
20:00	rubenwardy	not yet
20:00	rubenwardy	will do
20:00	Basstard`	Dan Dare says hello.
20:00	rubenwardy	email vertification will be required for adding entries
20:01	rubenwardy	sign up is secure now, the passwords are hashed
20:06	RealBadAngel	stupid question now
20:06	RealBadAngel	old movie, criminal
20:06	RealBadAngel	female name was the title of this movie
20:07	RealBadAngel	there was action there
20:07	Basstard`	You're making it too easy.
20:07	RealBadAngel	like 15 minutes long
20:07	RealBadAngel	no dialogues
20:07	RealBadAngel	just the music
20:08	RealBadAngel	anybody recalls it?
20:08	Basstard`	How old?
20:08	RealBadAngel	20 circa
20:08	RealBadAngel	need just that name
20:09	RealBadAngel	there were two parts of it
20:09	_2cool_	Uploading
20:11	Basstard`	I'm thinking Nikita, but it's probably not that.
20:11	RealBadAngel	no
20:11	RealBadAngel	she was a prostitute
20:12	RealBadAngel	and the action was police officers trying to help her
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20:13	_2cool_	I need an intro video...
20:13	RealBadAngel	it was one og the best scenes ive seen in a movie ever
20:14	RealBadAngel	comparable maybe to the last of the mohicans only
20:14	RealBadAngel	same style
20:15	RealBadAngel	propably last of the mohicans final action was made after this one im lookin for
20:17	rubenwardy	Vanessa, about multiple mods. Eg: Animals is already in the database. Can other players be able to add their own mod called "Animals" or not?
20:17	rubenwardy	VenessaE
20:17	VanessaE	no
20:17	rubenwardy	ok
20:17	VanessaE	definitely not.
20:17	_2cool_	in 10 minutes, we will have suckish mesecons video goodness
20:18	VanessaE	(and it's VanessaE, with two a's and two e's. :-) )
20:18	rubenwardy	ok, sorry, mistype
20:18	VanessaE	just giving you a hard time :-)
20:20	rubenwardy	ideally i would do the same with basenames but,
20:20	rubenwardy	(basenames, eg:"default"
20:20	rubenwardy	maybe just issue a warning
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20:26	rubenwardy	looking at the categories at http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/index.php , can anyone think of any that are is not there?
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20:26	VanessaE	ah sdzen is here
20:27	_2cool_	Here it is guys...
20:27	_2cool_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWGdT44NIe4
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20:28	rubenwardy	i though it was pronounced messy cons
20:28	_2cool_	Nope, MEEEScons
20:28	_2cool_	lol 3 e's
20:29	rubenwardy	that is the biggest problem with it, it does not stop
20:29	rubenwardy	love that line
20:29	_2cool_	NO
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20:29	_2cool_	Youtube upgraded their ads :(
20:30	VanessaE	ads? I don't see no steenkeeng ads :-)
20:30	_2cool_	not on my video
20:30	rubenwardy	water turbine
20:30	rubenwardy	or hydroelectic
20:31	_2cool_	Yeah
20:31	rubenwardy	sorry
20:31	_2cool_	no problem
20:32	rubenwardy	very good
20:33	_2cool_	I didn't think so, but thanks!
20:34	rubenwardy	A few slip ups, but every one does that
20:34	RealBadAngel	why the jar effect?
20:34	RealBadAngel	aliens invasion? :)
20:34	rubenwardy	where are you from
20:35	_2cool_	Wisconsin, US
20:36	rubenwardy	cool, i am from england, you dont have a very strong accent : )
20:36	_2cool_	I didn't think so either, but you know.
20:37	RealBadAngel	work on mic input
20:37	Basstard`	_2cool_ for an accent.
20:37	RealBadAngel	effect is horrible
20:37	_2cool_	I forgot to plug in my headset RBA
20:37	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LEVp2naM2A
20:38	RealBadAngel	check this guy doin gameplays
20:38	_2cool_	I'm sorry, my headset was out!
20:39	rubenwardy	that is an annoying voice
20:41	RealBadAngel	indeed annoyin
20:41	RealBadAngel	68,197 subscribers
20:41	RealBadAngel	21,524,104 video views
20:41	_2cool_	olwat
20:41	rubenwardy	but good video none the less
20:42	_2cool_	My voice?
20:42	VanessaE	I have to say,
20:42	RealBadAngel	drop the jar effect :)
20:43	VanessaE	the video quality is shit :(
20:43	_2cool_	I'm sorry that I'm annoying.
20:43	_2cool_	BAH HUMBUG
20:43	rubenwardy	no, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LEVp2naM2A
20:43	VanessaE	I mean the codec quality
20:43	rubenwardy	not you
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20:43	rubenwardy	you have a nice voice
20:43	_2cool_	Most people still think I'm annoying
20:44	rubenwardy	maybe in the US
20:44	Basstard`	_2cool_ to be annoying.
20:44	RealBadAngel	hehehe
20:44	rubenwardy	lol#
20:44	_2cool_	But I have a net connection of about 250kb/s up, so I can't make very big videos
20:44	RealBadAngel	i say, fix the input
20:44	RealBadAngel	drop the jar
20:44	rubenwardy	bits or bytes?
20:44	_2cool_	bytes
20:45	rubenwardy	hum
20:45	RealBadAngel	that was used by orwell's aliens attack on america
20:45	RealBadAngel	openin a jar in the toilet and talkin to the toilet
20:45	_2cool_	Yes, my room sounds like a jar.
20:45	_2cool_	I'm sorry
20:46	RealBadAngel	and folks belived aliens are takin over usa
20:46	_2cool_	let it go, rba
20:46	_2cool_	I'll retry sometime soon
20:46	Basstard`	RealBadAngel: Aliens have already taken over U.S.A. They call themselves "Americans".
20:46	RealBadAngel	lol
20:47	_2cool_	mother of
20:49	RealBadAngel	2cool, good work, but just the sound
20:49	RealBadAngel	nothin personal
20:49	_2cool_	It is now
20:49	jin_xi	hm, i say it like meh-seh-cons. dont like meees-cons
20:49	jin_xi	but good vid
20:50	RealBadAngel	me too
20:50	_2cool_	That's wrong
20:50	rubenwardy	messy, always messing up my caves
20:50	_2cool_	I said that too and Jeija hated me
20:50	jin_xi	next one you'll remember plugging the headset in
20:50	jin_xi	keep it up
20:50	rubenwardy	Stop bullying...
20:51	VanessaE	bbl
20:53	_2cool_	God, 7 minute ads on YT D:
20:55	RealBadAngel	use adblock
20:55	RealBadAngel	no ads then
20:56	_2cool_	Has anyone thought of adding a removestone to the mesecons mod that returns after power is lost?
20:57	rubenwardy	like a block that turns unwalkable with power then returns without power
20:58	rubenwardy	call it trapdoor
20:58	rubenwardy	no, i do not think so
20:58	rubenwardy	the mesecons api is quite elite, so it should not be so hard...
20:59	RealBadAngel	use pistons for this effect
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21:00	iqualfragile1	Bad_Command: can you please restructure your github for bones?
21:01	iqualfragile1	it would be great if there wouldn't be a seperate folder
21:01	rubenwardy	RealBadAngel, what about on a big area?
21:02	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p24DuUUf-Ug
21:02	RealBadAngel	watch this
21:04	NakedFury	signal transmit through blocks
21:04	rubenwardy	i have done a stone generator in minetes
21:05	NakedFury	I need to ask, how do they make the pistons stop moving the blocks at a given height?
21:05	rubenwardy	wow
21:05	rubenwardy	they dont, it is infinite
21:06	rubenwardy	or they use obidistan, it is unmovable
21:06	bas080	very cool! i think piston can't push more then x amount of blocks
21:06	NakedFury	^ if thats it then it explains it
21:06	NakedFury	because it always stops after a while
21:06	rubenwardy	2000 blocks per minute
21:08	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVK0cv-q0bE&feature=relmfu
21:09	rubenwardy	in mesecons you use chests instead of obidistan to stop piston
21:09	rubenwardy	or any block defined in a variable
21:09	_2cool_	No, don't use chests
21:09	_2cool_	It doesn't work
21:09	_2cool_	Er, it does push through
21:09	rubenwardy	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=38491#p38491
21:10	rubenwardy	the piston should not push it
21:10	_2cool_	Movestones do :(
21:10	rubenwardy	i am talking about pistons
21:11	_2cool_	Oh
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21:17	_2cool_	This guy is hilarious: turn down your speakers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D53eE3I_vMY
21:21	RealBadAngel	lol
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21:24	rubenwardy	hi, back
21:24	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uyxVmdaJ-w
21:25	RealBadAngel	watch this
21:27	RealBadAngel	or this
21:27	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxzfcOKbR0I&list=SP269398EFF9B8DE81&index=5&feature=plcp
21:27	Basstard`	Is there a MechWarrior mod?
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21:31	rubenwardy	back (again)
21:32	rubenwardy	seen it. it is terrible
21:33	iqualfragile1	wich sword does most damage
21:33	iqualfragile1	moreores+default
21:33	iqualfragile1	and exclusive mithril
21:35	rubenwardy	not sure
21:36	rubenwardy	steel out of default, have a look on the forum page of moreores, it should tell you how it relates to the default ores
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21:39	rubenwardy	VanessaE, i might be gooding crazy here but I could also add Map support... hum maybe later
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21:42	rubenwardy	if i was not already crazy...
21:46	rubenwardy	this chat room has gone boring now
21:47	_2cool_	yep
21:47	_2cool_	where neko
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21:52	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
21:52	_2cool_	PILZ
21:53	* leo_rockway	highfives PilzAdam
21:53	khonkhortisan	I think my router froze
21:53	_2cool_	nice
21:54	iqualfragile1	hi
21:54	khonkhortisan	it was frozen for eight hours according to the irc message timestamps
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21:55	PilzAdam	wb iqualfragile
22:00	Basstard`	khonkhortisan: Lesson learned: Don't use the freezer as a router.
22:01	rubenwardy	he PilzAdam
22:01	rubenwardy	*hi
22:01	PilzAdam	he
22:01	_2cool_	heh, YOLO
22:02	khonkhortisan	I finally got the router password and was looking at the pages, then one wouldn't load, and all the router pages wouldn't load, but the internet worked, so I thought it was fine, an I think I used enough commas in this sentence, and when it stopped working completely I power cycled it
22:02	* rubenwardy	ssdd
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22:02	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, there arent enough commas :-)
22:02	PilzAdam	hi NekoGloop
22:02	NekoGloop	Ello
22:02	_2cool_	,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
22:02	_2cool_	YES NEKO
22:03	NekoGloop	I'm watching 2cool's vid now
22:03	Basstard`	PilzAdam: He needs, too, add some, more commas.
22:03	khonkhortisan	I should write an essay about commas using comma-separated-sentences
22:03	_2cool_	,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
22:03	PilzAdam	_2cool_, what video?
22:03	khonkhortisan	Basstard`: for some reason that seems more annoying than my sentence
22:03	_2cool_	Enogh commas now?
22:03	khonkhortisan	those commas just blend into my papyrus background
22:03	NekoGloop	The mesecons vid
22:04	_2cool_	This one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWGdT44NIe4
22:04	_2cool_	I'm in a jar apparently
22:04	_2cool_	We all live in a Darn jar
22:04	NekoGloop	Oh movestones only work on the right side?
22:04	_2cool_	JAR
22:04	_2cool_	yep
22:05	_2cool_	YOLO
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22:05	_2cool_	oh
22:05	NekoGloop	But cats and nekos live nine times
22:05	khonkhortisan	make a mesecon rail, put the movestone in the middle, and double not the rails together, and put a button on each rail
22:05	_2cool_	what
22:05	sdzen	can i test that?
22:05	khonkhortisan	what what?
22:05	* sdzen	pumps up shotgun
22:06	_2cool_	I didn't understand the rail part
22:06	sdzen	lets see how many lives neko has
22:06	NekoGloop	Dont shoot me!
22:06	khonkhortisan	the only problem with seeing how many lives neko has is you don't know how many have already been lost
22:06	_2cool_	meh
22:06	khonkhortisan	what if there's only three lives left?
22:06	NekoGloop	Yeah i've already worked through eight of them
22:06	_2cool_	shoot him thrice!
22:07	iqualfragile	im having serious performance-isues
22:07	iqualfragile	its about the map
22:07	khonkhortisan	the internet is having some maintenance, don't worry about it
22:07	Basstard`	Shoot him frice!
22:07	iqualfragile	whenever i move to a region where i have allready been the map loads increadibly slow
22:07	iqualfragile	or just does not load at all
22:07	_2cool_	what server you in?
22:08	khonkhortisan	sounds like a mod's on_generated to me
22:08	NekoGloop	Probably some ores mod
22:08	NekoGloop	Like moreores or gloopores
22:08	NekoGloop	Or even both
22:08	_2cool_	galoop
22:09	iqualfragile	no, the map was allready generated
22:09	NekoGloop	Yes, 2cool?
22:09	_2cool_	I said galoop, I'm being random
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22:09	NekoGloop	Oh
22:10	NekoGloop	Well did you see what i meant by graphical errors?
22:10	khonkhortisan	how did you get the rail to turn into itself on the movestone side? 0:25
22:10	NekoGloop	(for delayers)
22:10	_2cool_	khonk: make a mesecon in between the two and delete
22:10	NekoGloop	khonkhortisan: By having the movestone there when making the wire
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22:11	Basstard`	Moonstone.
22:11	khonkhortisan	should've NOTted the rails together
22:11	_2cool_	I should get a MT account
22:12	_2cool_	khonk: why? The movestone just pushes anything out of the way
22:12	khonkhortisan	then pressing a button automatically switches both rails
22:13	khonkhortisan	you can turn a power plant off?!
22:13	NekoGloop	ReALLY?
22:14	sdzen	thats amazing
22:14	sdzen	turning power off
22:14	khonkhortisan	5:16 on that video
22:14	_2cool_	That's a mesetorch
22:14	NekoGloop	Lol
22:14	khonkhortisan	oh. I didn't know there was such a thing
22:14	Basstard`	Instead of more, cowbells, we need, more commas.
22:15	rubenwardy	it like my brother, an invertor
22:15	khonkhortisan	I heard something about torches inverting the signal so I tried a regular torch and it didn't work
22:15	rubenwardy	always wanting to do something else
22:15	_2cool_	GODDARNIT
22:15	_2cool_	This pun bots question confoundsme
22:15	NekoGloop	I wanna have a table of the ranges for the player detector... And to know what a block it doesnt recognize is...
22:15	PilzAdam	lol "This is a button...... its actually is.... a button"
22:15	rubenwardy	celeron55 0.4
22:15	_2cool_	oh, no space...
22:16	_2cool_	I now have a forum account
22:16	rubenwardy	the forum has a bug with pun bots, mean sometimes it just will not except it. Reset the browser cache and cookies
22:16	_2cool_	It worked
22:16	rubenwardy	ok : )
22:17	_2cool_	There is now a 2cool4me4 on the forums :)
22:17	Basstard`	That's _2cool_!
22:17	_2cool_	You like doing that
22:18	rubenwardy	Can someone test this for me: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/index.php ---someone like Bad_Command or bas080, who has mods that are not on there
22:18	rubenwardy	it's eggcitiny
22:18	khonkhortisan	is there a mesecon crosswire thing? like a microcontroller with A and C, B and D connected?
22:18	rubenwardy	*eggciting
22:18	_2cool_	khonk: no
22:18	PilzAdam	_2cool_, next vid: Carts
22:18	_2cool_	yes
22:19	_2cool_	With my headset plugged in
22:19	NekoGloop	2cool is gonna be the skydoesminecraft of minetest \:D/
22:19	_2cool_	I love that guy's channel
22:19	_2cool_	He's hilarious
22:19	Basstard`	NekoGloop: _2cool_ is _2cool_ for that.
22:20	PilzAdam	_2cool_ is _2cool_ for _2cool_
22:20	* _2cool_	kicks basstard`
22:20	Basstard`	:)
22:20	* _2cool_	slaps PilzAdam with a big red brick
22:20	* PilzAdam	dies
22:20	_2cool_	so close...
22:20	_2cool_	maybe I'll go do the carts mod now
22:20	* PilzAdam	stands up and laughs
22:21	PilzAdam	you cant kill me im the DEVIL!!!
22:21	* _2cool_	slaps PilzAdam with a 4r8a9inbow trout
22:21	khonkhortisan	^5color?
22:21	khonkhortisan	hmm.
22:21	_2cool_	yup
22:21	_2cool_	Built in to IceChat
22:21	PilzAdam	<_2cool_> maybe I'll go do the carts mod now#
22:21	PilzAdam	yes please!
22:22	NekoGloop	...
22:22	Basstard`	_2cool_: Is Right Said Fred your favourite band?
22:22	NekoGloop	No do my toolsizes \:D/
22:22	_2cool_	NO
22:22	khonkhortisan	RGB ,01color
22:22	_2cool_	okay then
22:23	khonkhortisan	it takes a while to do that
22:23	_2cool_	not in IC
22:24	khonkhortisan	worldedit has too many function
22:24	khonkhortisan	s
22:26	rubenwardy	i think is good
22:27	rubenwardy	simple
22:27	rubenwardy	//p set
22:27	_2cool_	Don't use all fo them
22:27	_2cool_	why neko leave
22:27	rubenwardy	//set default:dirt
22:27	rubenwardy	//reset
22:27	rubenwardy	simples
22:28	rubenwardy	ikr, why?
22:28	rubenwardy	why he leave
22:28	Basstard`	Neko is _2cool_ to stay.
22:28	_2cool_	Palmface
22:28	* rubenwardy	kicks the basstard'
22:29	khonkhortisan	I'm making it move meta. So I get the first meta, get the second meta, set the second to the first, go to the next function, repeat, and then I run into three nodes. I haven't even heard of stack, transpose, and flip.
22:31	rubenwardy	...
22:31	rubenwardy	worldedit?
22:31	Basstard`	khonkhortisan: More commas!
22:31	PilzAdam	Basstard`, +1
22:31	rubenwardy	shut up you stupid basstard
22:32	Basstard`	rubenwardy: You mean: Shut up, you stupid, Basstard`.
22:32	khonkhortisan	worldedit lets you move stuff, but not anything with meta, so I'm letting it move meta, for chests, furnaces, mesecon microcontrollers, in the functions copy, move, transpose, stack, flip.
22:32	_2cool_	stop
22:32	khonkhortisan	okay
22:32	_2cool_	not you, the basstard and ruben
22:32	rubenwardy	you want a bich fight?
22:32	_2cool_	no
22:32	rubenwardy	damn
22:33	rubenwardy	i was talking to the basstard'
22:33	_2cool_	We'll settle this on an online server!
22:33	rubenwardy	oh well
22:33	_2cool_	oh
22:33	_2cool_	Know any good pvp servers?
22:33	khonkhortisan	You can't fight with "communes in the NiÃ¨vre department in central France", otherwise known as Biches.
22:34	rubenwardy	oh well, i give up this pun/clichÃ© fight
22:36	khonkhortisan	TouchÃ©, clichÃ©.
22:36	Basstard`	BichÃ©.
22:37	_2cool_	sdzen server, go!
22:37	_2cool_	I'm stuck
22:37	rubenwardy	ã‚ãã§ãªã—
22:38	rubenwardy	bastard in japanese
22:38	rubenwardy	prononced: Rokudenashi
22:38	khonkhortisan	you broke my letters, now they're all in pieces
22:38	_2cool_	The server crashed
22:38	_2cool_	nvm
22:41	khonkhortisan	haha worldedit.rotate should rotate the items inside the chest too
22:42	rubenwardy	hum...
22:42	rubenwardy	hmm.....
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22:44	PilzAdam	anyone knows the ubuntu package that contains "gd.h"?
22:44	khonkhortisan	wow I didn't know there was a dig function
22:45	Basstard`	Digging in the dirt.
22:45	khonkhortisan	libgd2-xpm-dev?
22:46	felix_	yes the graph perl module
22:47	PilzAdam	yay
22:47	PilzAdam	thanks khonkhortisan
22:48	khonkhortisan	google searched "ubuntu gd.h" and clicked the first link, scrolled down to "This was fixed with..."
22:48	PilzAdam	i searched on ubuntuusers.de
22:48	khonkhortisan	walkingrandomly.com
22:49	Immanuel_Kant	good site
22:50	PilzAdam	this is a realy fast mintest-mapper: https://github.com/mireq/minetest-mapper-cpp
22:50	_2cool_	Since when does minetest wait on media from localhost on my computer?
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22:51	PilzAdam	_2cool_, you start a singleplayer game?
22:51	_2cool_	yep
22:52	PilzAdam	if i use my ambience mod i have to wait about 10 sec. until the music files are loaded
22:52	_2cool_	I see
22:52	_2cool_	I just installed that
22:52	_2cool_	now minetest crashed
22:52	PilzAdam	:-(
22:53	_2cool_	Is this your doing?
22:53	PilzAdam	?
22:53	_2cool_	you... what have you done?
22:53	Basstard`	Minetest is _2cool_ for _2cool_.
22:53	_2cool_	shudddup
22:53	_2cool_	Ambience mod is cool
22:54	PilzAdam	thx
22:54	_2cool_	Sounds so good
22:54	PilzAdam	do you use my or neuromancer version?
22:54	_2cool_	Hmm
22:54	_2cool_	It's neuromancer's
22:55	_2cool_	Is yours much different?
22:55	PilzAdam	mine is older
22:55	_2cool_	Ah
22:55	PilzAdam	but the code is cleaner ;-)
22:55	_2cool_	I can tell, it lags when I enter water
22:55	PilzAdam	i made the core code of the mod and let neuromancer do the rest
22:56	_2cool_	lol
22:56	PilzAdam	originally its neuromancers mod
22:56	PilzAdam	but it was realy â€¦â€¦ so I made a completly remade of the code
22:56	_2cool_	It makes Mintest crash occaisonally.
22:56	PilzAdam	u have latest git?
22:57	_2cool_	No, I'm using neuro's
22:57	PilzAdam	what is the error message?
22:58	_2cool_	god, large debug
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22:59	rubenwardy	hi
22:59	PilzAdam	wb
23:00	_2cool_	still haven't loaded the whole doc
23:00	PilzAdam	you use Linux?
23:00	_2cool_	nope
23:00	Basstard`	PilzAdam: GNU.
23:00	_2cool_	Win
23:00	_2cool_	Win d'ohs
23:00	rubenwardy	me? no, windows atm
23:01	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, not you
23:01	PilzAdam	_2cool_, you can delete the top of debug.txt if you don need it
23:01	PilzAdam	*dont
23:02	_2cool_	It's just too big of a document
23:03	rubenwardy	i <3 PilzAdam 's cart mod...
23:03	PilzAdam	thx
23:03	_2cool_	I will make a video of it
23:04	PilzAdam	ive added support for cooper rails of moreores (see github)
23:04	khonkhortisan	whoops I forked the minecraft worldedit
23:04	_2cool_	I can't get to the bottom of the document
23:04	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, so you [ice-cream waffle] my carts mod
23:05	_2cool_	49 mb .txt :O
23:05	PilzAdam	you can delete 99% of it
23:05	_2cool_	I can't get down %99 of it
23:05	_2cool_	oops
23:05	rubenwardy	huh?
23:05	PilzAdam	then go down by deleting some lines
23:05	khonkhortisan	print to command line then manually copy
23:05	_2cool_	it's windows
23:06	khonkhortisan	or do the special scroll-to-bottom command
23:06	khonkhortisan	haha you need the keyboard to copy/paste!
23:06	PilzAdam	on GNU/Linux i use tail -fn 0 debug.txt
23:07	_2cool_	okay, sent the open command to CMD. Now we wait about 10 mins
23:08	_2cool_	Or Windows opens it in Wordpad :l
23:09	PilzAdam	install Kubuntu; its faster than waiting for windows
23:09	PilzAdam	how is the process of the carts mod vid?
23:10	jin_xi	just wonderin: has anyone here ever tried painting mod? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2588
23:10	PilzAdam	sure
23:11	PilzAdam	it was a realy brilliant idea!
23:11	_2cool_	haven't started
23:11	khonkhortisan	does it point-and-drag paint or is it gui-based?
23:12	jin_xi	point'n'draw
23:13	khonkhortisan	soon you will be able to worldedit your mesecon machines
23:13	_2cool_	I wish there was a world edit gui
23:14	jin_xi	i thought lots of people are into pixel art, but judging from forum responses it seems to be a waste of time
23:14	khonkhortisan	huh. git diff knows what function the changed code is in.
23:14	_2cool_	People buy Minecraft for that :P
23:15	khonkhortisan	it might have a better response if you could craft everything, then it could be used on a server
23:15	PilzAdam	jin_xi, nobody post anything in the forum because its just so brilliant
23:16	jin_xi	khonkhortisan: good point
23:17	rubenwardy	jin_xi what is the cpu usage like?
23:17	_2cool_	I'll be back
23:17	khonkhortisan	I think it only maps to pixel when drawing, it shouldn't be too much, just ray casting.
23:18	rubenwardy	ok, cool. you can do that with lua?
23:18	jin_xi	not much cpu but texture memory
23:18	khonkhortisan	where's my painting:canvas?
23:18	jin_xi	use canvas_16, _32 or _64 for different resolutions
23:19	khonkhortisan	it doesn't say that
23:19	PilzAdam	jin_xi, do the brushes still look like axes?
23:20	khonkhortisan	yes
23:20	khonkhortisan	the brush is a little dry
23:20	jin_xi	khonkhortisan: post updated, thanks
23:21	khonkhortisan	I think I locked the canvas into the easel somehow
23:21	jin_xi	dig it from the side
23:22	khonkhortisan	maybe you can add an on_punch for the entity that does the same thing as on_dig for the node
23:22	jin_xi	could do when not wielding brush
23:22	jin_xi	hmm
23:23	khonkhortisan	hehe you need a color picker to steal wood, lava, papyrus colors
23:23	rubenwardy	should use paper for canvus craft (1x1=16,2x2=32,3x3=64)
23:24	khonkhortisan	yeah
23:24	PilzAdam	jin_xi, whats about this: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1000475227
23:24	khonkhortisan	so what does the hair/fiber on the end come from?
23:25	jin_xi	cool, can i use that? i made a (crappy) texture myself, then GIMP crashed
23:25	PilzAdam	WTFPL, credits would be nice
23:26	jin_xi	you made it? thanks!
23:26	rubenwardy	{plank,plank,plank} {plank,plank,plank} {stick, -- ,stick} for easel
23:27	PilzAdam	jin_xi, yea i made them just 1 min. ago
23:28	khonkhortisan	I agree with both crafting recipes
23:28	khonkhortisan	or stick _ stick \| wood wood wood \| stick _ stick
23:28	jin_xi	now for selecting colors... i thought about that a lot, but no good idea yet
23:29	jin_xi	original plan: 8 dyes in a ring -> palette
23:29	jin_xi	if you wield palette, exchange hotbar with colors
23:29	khonkhortisan	couldn't you place the palette on the easel and dip the brush in it?
23:29	jin_xi	thats another possibility
23:30	rubenwardy	or another block you can place else where
23:30	jin_xi	color picker idea is kinda neat too
23:31	PilzAdam	jin_xi, do the brushes wear out?
23:31	rubenwardy	paint:brush_red ...hum...
23:31	jin_xi	idk, its really just a minimal placeholder tooldef
23:32	PilzAdam	you have to define it like this: itemstack:add_wear(65535/[number of uses-1])
23:32	rubenwardy	PilzAdam, you made a syntax mistake in my forum :)
23:33	jin_xi	yea, with palette color dipping idea it would be good to wear off color on brush and palette
23:33	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, nope; the english language is false
23:33	khonkhortisan	that's different than tool wear
23:33	khonkhortisan	if the color wore off, the color would gradually lighten until it made no change
23:34	jin_xi	its not real life ;)
23:34	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, this is not a simulation
23:34	khonkhortisan	why do I keep hearing that?
23:34	jin_xi	but yes, could do that in theory
23:36	PilzAdam	jin_xi, there are 2 initial commits in the repo :-)
23:36	jin_xi	oh well
23:37	jin_xi	some of those diffs are too embarassing... my first LUA!
23:37	PilzAdam	gtg
23:37	PilzAdam	bye
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23:40	bas080	Working on jungletrees mod. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Screenshot%20-%2008262012%20-%2001%3A37%3A03%20AM.png
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23:40	bas080	Do these look anything like a tree?
23:40	jin_xi	cool, i like it
23:40	khonkhortisan	looks like something for a cat
23:40	jin_xi	with some vines and an ocelot
23:40	jin_xi	;)
23:41	khonkhortisan	depending on the tree type, the branches should go out further
23:41	Splizard	looks good
23:42	khonkhortisan	...meta doesn't stick around after deleting the node...
23:43	jin_xi	there is after_delete_node or so
23:43	jin_xi	it has oldmeta
23:44	jin_xi	after_dig_node, sorry
23:45	khonkhortisan	I'm not in the node, I just have to meta = meta:to_table() to keep it around
23:45	jin_xi	just realized that that probably is the case
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23:48	NekoGloop	Hello...?
23:48	khonkhortisan	Â¿...olleH
23:49	NekoGloop	Lol
23:50	NekoGloop	I cant connect to this other chat network... O.O
23:54	khonkhortisan	what does worldedit //transpose do?
23:55	khonkhortisan	I'm not getting an effect out of it
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