IRC log for #minetest, 2014-03-03

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00:29	PilzAdam	bye
00:32	ShadowNinja	~tell PilzAdam Saying "bye" immediately before leaving serves no function other than to fool other users into thinking that there is some actual disussion in the channel rather than just a quit. Could you please stop doing that?
00:32	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: O.K.
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04:00	VanessaE	sfan5: poke
04:02	VanessaE	eh, nevermind, I'll catch you later, this is a question that must be asked in private anyway.
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04:18	OldCoder	VanessaE, PM
04:19	VanessaE	hey
04:19	OldCoder	yeh
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04:45	Banditer	how is it that people can make there mods spawn certain structures automatically
04:45	Banditer	what would the code look like just an example?
04:45	Banditer	or what doyou recommen to analyse
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04:48	Banditer	nobody :(
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04:54	VanessaE	you picked a bad time to ask
04:54	VanessaE	this channel is usually pretty dead about now
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05:09	Banditer	VanessaE what mod would you recommend to nalyse regarding this topic?
05:09	Banditer	about the structures apprearing randomly around the map
05:10	VanessaE	probably the cottages and random_buildings mod
05:10	VanessaE	one sec, I'll get the link
05:11	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4885
05:11	* VanessaE	pokes Sokomine
05:11	VanessaE	try that out
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05:12	Banditer	thanks vanessa will look into it
05:13	VanessaE	good luck
05:17	Banditer	well im going to sleep ttyl :D
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06:21	nore	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8710 <-- ???
06:37	sfan5	I need more sleep
06:37	sfan5	I just banned that person for spam like I always dp
06:37	sfan5	do*
06:37	sfan5	unbans
06:38	sfan5	moves topic to Trash instead
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08:24	jp__	Hi VanessaE. I imported your colors.txt file in minetest-mapper, but blocks of homedecor, streets and snow mod are considered as "unknown" and doesn't appeat on the map. Have you fixed that in a new .txt file ?
08:25	jp__	*appear
08:28	jp__	My bad, it just bad names in my current colors.txt
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08:35	RealBadAngel	some new screenshots:
08:35	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/XX637oj.jpg
08:35	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/9ivjFGe.jpg
08:36	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/zgkBrpb.jpg
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08:37	jp__	Really nice, RealBadAngel.
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09:51	RealBadAngel	what about this one? http://i.imgur.com/ZEZmM2W.jpg
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10:40	reactor	gprof hell.o
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11:09	reactor	Hi john_minetest
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11:21	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
11:22	reactor	Hello PillsAdam!
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11:34	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8714
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11:38	vifino	Hai!
11:39	RBMK	It's spelled "hay". And it's for horses.
11:39	vifino	Can someone help me build 0.4.9 for mac?
11:39	RBMK	Or ponies. looks at john_minetest
11:39	RBMK	vifino: what seems to be concerning you?
11:40	vifino	wait i upload my pastebin log
11:40	vifino	http://pastebin.com/CbW4piSq
11:42	vifino	Thats only my Console log though, i upload the full log now
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11:43	vifino	http://pastebin.com/2G12510n
11:44	vifino	Thats the CMakeOutput.log
11:44	vifino	RBMK found something?
11:46	RBMK	Processing...
11:46	vifino	mkay
11:46	RBMK	So cmake fails.
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11:50	RBMK	vifino: found this, but not sure if it will get you through: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2011
11:51	vifino	The mac branch is 1 or 2 years old
11:51	vifino	and someone said that it wont run on 10.8
11:51	RBMK	...you could look how it's done there, and edit the stuff accordingly
11:52	vifino	aww man!
11:52	vifino	D:
11:52	RBMK	Gonna be rather expensive timewise, though.
11:52	vifino	uhhh
11:52	RBMK	...does Mac have virtualisation?
11:53	vifino	You mean if i can run VM's on it or make a OSX VM
11:53	vifino	?
11:53	RBMK	You could try and run BSD or GNU.
11:53	RBMK	If your machine is less than 2 years old, it must support hardware virtualisation.
11:54	vifino	I have ubuntu on my mac, as a seperate partition, and i want to have it on macos
11:54	RBMK	And it may be worth a try to run accelerated graphics in guest OS.
11:54	vifino	because my favorite IDE is on Mac
11:54	RBMK	Well, HW virt allows for native speed.
11:54	vifino	RBMK Everything runs fine and chill, but the mouse behaves like shit
11:55	vifino	i have 16GB ram on my Bacbook
11:55	vifino	i have 16GB ram on my BaDbook
11:55	RBMK	...I can't imagine for what could a notebook computer need that much memory.
11:56	vifino	its a monster.
11:56	RBMK	How about processors?
11:57	vifino	i7 quad, 2.8 Ghz
11:58	RBMK	Man, with that you can run several instances of OS without problems.
11:58	RBMK	What's the problem with mouse?
11:59	vifino	It sometimes doesnt move, but only in games that mouselock
12:01	RBMK	Natively? In virtual machine?
12:01	vifino	In virtual machines only
12:01	vifino	In virtualbox and parallels
12:02	RBMK	Hmm.
12:02	RBMK	Try running the VM fullscreen.
12:10	vifino	RBMK i do evry time
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12:11	weewooz	hi guys
12:13	RBMK	Then I'm out of ideas. Sorry.
12:13	RBMK	Must be something to do with OSX graphical server.
12:13	weewooz	anyone to help im using windows trying to start a server getting failed to bind sockets socket is already in use ?
12:14	RBMK	weewooz: try ports above 492000
12:14	RBMK	oops
12:14	RBMK	49200
12:14	vifino	RBMK The guys in minetest-de helped me, they said, i just needed to comment out a line, the error was the stuff with the docs and desctop icons
12:14	RBMK	vifino: so it works now?
12:14	vifino	at least no error
12:15	weewooz	sorry try what ports mate
12:15	RBMK	weewooz: Eh?
12:15	RBMK	The port.
12:15	RBMK	To which you bind the server.
12:15	weewooz	change it to what mate
12:16	RBMK	Above 49152.
12:16	vifino	oh god: more errors
12:16	weewooz	okies ty try it now
12:16	RBMK	vifino: paste?
12:16	RBMK	weewooz: ymmw
12:16	RBMK	ymmv*
12:16	vifino	http://pastebin.com/2rkmD2p5
12:17	vifino	brb
12:17	RBMK	cd to the dir, grep -R for sem_timedwait
12:18	RBMK	also check out what jsemaphore.cpp includes
12:21	vifino	i found that line, what do i need to do now?
12:21	vifino	its line 70
12:22	vifino	and why does it include itself?
12:24	RBMK	as in, #include?
12:25	vifino	RBMK yes
12:25	RBMK	It must be including jsemaphore.h?
12:25	RBMK	That's okay.
12:25	RBMK	Because function declarations go first.
12:26	vifino	kay
12:26	RBMK	We need to find out why that function is undeclared.
12:26	RBMK	And what it comes from.
12:26	RBMK	s/what/where/
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12:27	RBMK	Probably some of the libs needed. Are you sure your system's got all necessary headers in the right place?
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12:30	vifino	i got all requirements that i could find
12:30	vifino	AKA all libs
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12:31	reactor	The question was about their headers.
12:31	vifino	hm
12:31	vifino	idk if i got all
12:31	reactor	Uh.
12:31	vifino	the lua ones i got definitly
12:31	reactor	The file only includes its own headers?
12:32	reactor	Are there any declarations of that function anywhere? In its own header? In the .cpp file itself?
12:32	vifino	it includes assert.h errno.h sys/time.h and itself
12:32	reactor	Grep those for the function.
12:32	vifino	were?
12:33	reactor	use locate to find them?
12:34	vifino	uhh... it has to build its db
12:34	vifino	i think i got them though
12:35	reactor	Should take seconds on systems as new as yours.
12:35	vifino	the launchctrl sais its loadded, but the locate command sais its not
12:36	reactor	I'm not sure what you're talking about.
12:36	vifino	Just say i got those standard ones
12:36	reactor	Let me guess. THe function should have been defined somewhere in the minetest sources themselves.
12:37	vifino	found a link
12:37	vifino	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/641126/posix-semaphores-on-mac-os-x-sem-timedwait-alternative
12:37	reactor	You could also "apropos sem_timedwait" to make sure.
12:38	reactor	Oh. Exactly, it's in semaphore.h
12:39	reactor	now, grep for "<semaphore.h>" or "<semaphore.h>" in the source
12:40	vifino	Output:
12:40	vifino	jthread/jevent.h:#include <semaphore.h>
12:40	vifino	jthread/jsemaphore.h:#include <semaphore.h>
12:40	vifino	sqlite/sqlite3.c:# include <semaphore.h>
12:40		vifino was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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12:40	vifino	ahh
12:40	vifino	dont paste...
12:40	reactor	pwned
12:40	vifino	...
12:41	reactor	So you said the file includes what?
12:41	reactor	jsemaphore.h includes semaphore.h, so if the file includes jsemaphore.h, there should be no problem
12:42	vifino	it includes assert.h errno.h sys/time.h and itself
12:42	reactor	type "man sem_timedwait"
12:42	reactor	Does anything come up?
12:42	reactor	Does your OS implement that call?
12:42	vifino	nope
12:42	vifino	no man entry
12:43	reactor	apropos semaphore
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12:44	vifino	?
12:47	reactor	wb
12:47	reactor	vifino: run the command
12:47	vifino	?
12:47	reactor	What don't you get?
12:48	vifino	What command?
12:48	reactor	apropos, whatis â€” keyword search whatis documentation databases
12:48	reactor	k?
12:48	vifino	I HAZ NO CLU WHAT U SAYIN!
12:49	reactor	yeah, what he said I meant.
12:49	vifino	http://pastebin.com/kFJfNuRd
12:50	reactor	Aha
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12:50	reactor	that's something.
12:50	reactor	Hang on.
12:50	vifino	ka
12:50	vifino	y
12:51	reactor	I wonder if sem_wait can be substituted for sem_timedwait
12:52	reactor	vifino: try this one: http://www.aao.gov.au/local/www/ks/uploads/sem_timedwait.c
12:52	reactor	It's a standalone implementation.
12:52	vifino	WTF WHAT A NICE DOMAIN!
12:53	reactor	Don't worry. Not a shock site.
12:53	vifino	and where should i put that, and i think i need to include it?
12:54	reactor	The workings of cmake are beyond me. So let's kludge.
12:54	vifino	uhm
12:54	vifino	yeah
12:54	vifino	whatever
12:54	reactor	Paste its entire (except comments and include lines) contents in the offending file.
12:54	vifino	just temm me what to do
12:54	vifino	kay
12:55	reactor	The includes - only the ones that the problematic file does not already include.
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12:57	vifino	pasted it at the end
12:58	vifino	nope still no workin
12:58	reactor	I'See if the problem persists. I really wish I knew cmake's ways, so we could patch it properly.
12:59	reactor	What now? Paste?
12:59	vifino	http://pastebin.com/038PVH0W
13:05	reactor	vifino: still the same, strange.
13:06	reactor	You probably should have pasted it in the beginning in order for the compiler to see the function
13:07	vifino	pls do it for me, i fail
13:07	reactor	How am I supposed to? I don't have OSX here.
13:08	reactor	I can only rely on you.
13:08	vifino	but you can take the file and past it in the right places
13:08	vifino	pls
13:08	reactor	I've got an idea.
13:08	vifino	?
13:08	reactor	Hang on a second.
13:09	reactor	Do you know how to use FTP or SFTP?
13:09	reactor	GIT, maybe?
13:09	vifino	Are you kidding me??
13:09	vifino	YES!
13:09	reactor	Which one?
13:10	vifino	ALL!
13:10	vifino	ftp and sftp on vserver, git on my projects
13:10	reactor	...the problem is, I would have to set up GIT server here.
13:10	vifino	You can upload things to github
13:10	reactor	Let's take the discussion to PM?
13:10	vifino	why not use that
13:11	vifino	?
13:11	reactor	Oh well. Why clutter it with our kludgery.
13:11	vifino	reactor i am sure we will fix it
13:11	reactor	In order to properly fix it, we need to know how CMAKE works.
13:12	reactor	Learning it isn't in my plans yet.
13:12	vifino	what do you need to know?
13:12	vifino	i know how to use install
13:12	reactor	I need to know what it does regarding the source. Or does it only affect the build process?
13:13	reactor	And what we need to change in order to add a new object file, for that function OSX is missing.
13:14	vifino	i can add some functions to copy files to a dir
13:14	reactor	What we need is, make a header for that that .c file I gave you, produce an .o, and link against it.
13:15	vifino	theere is already an option to behave ifferintly if its macosx
13:15	reactor	Aha.
13:16	reactor	So include the production of that .o there.
13:16	reactor	We also need to control the inclusion of the .h by #ifdefs
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13:18	vifino	hm
13:18	vifino	such a problem
13:19	vifino	arg
13:19	reactor	?
13:19	vifino	lemme make a git repository and then we can explore there together
13:20	reactor	'ight
13:20	vifino	was that a "Go for it, its a good idea!"?
13:20	reactor	Exactly.
13:21	vifino	made a fork
13:21	vifino	https://github.com/vifino/minetest
13:21	reactor	Direct link to .git, please.
13:21	vifino	wait
13:21	vifino	https://github.com/vifino/minetest.git
13:22	reactor	I'm on it.
13:22	vifino	so
13:22	vifino	that CMakeLists i already "fixed" is uploaded
13:23	vifino	brb
13:26	vifino	ima back!
13:26	reactor	Wb. Now I'll be brb.
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13:36	vifino	wb!
13:39	vifino	whats your github name?
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13:41	vifino	reactor?
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13:42	baconsnorkel	hi all
13:42	vifino	hey
13:43	baconsnorkel	someone helped me update my minetest server to the latest version from 4.7 and my world went all gray with msgs like this ERROR[main]: Subgame [] could not be found.
13:43	baconsnorkel	they suggested i start from scratch so i rolled back and figured i'd do that today
13:43	baconsnorkel	do i need to back anything up besides my world and mods?
13:45	reactor	I'm (almost) back.
13:45	reactor	Or rather, uniformy distributed all over the room. Just a second.
13:45	reactor	s/my/mly/
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14:05	baconsnorkel	ok, so i went ahead and wiped everything and did a portable install for the first time (on ubuntu)
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14:05	baconsnorkel	where should i copy my backup mods and worlds folder?
14:05	baconsnorkel	i see a minetest folder in /home/baconsnorkel/
14:05	vifino	my ubuntu broke so
14:06	baconsnorkel	:D
14:06	vifino	copy it to a stick i guess
14:06	baconsnorkel	i see a /home/baconsnorkel/minetest/mods not sure about where my world goes
14:07	harrison	"not sure about where my world goes"
14:07	vifino	and then on your 2. system, install minetest, and then copy mods to it, but dont ask me, i never played it yet ( other than 0.3.X )
14:07	harrison	you and everyone else baconsnorkel
14:07	baconsnorkel	:D
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14:10	baconsnorkel	readme says $user/worlds
14:10	baconsnorkel	so i guess i'll put it in /home/baconsnorkel/worlds
14:15	Megaf	folks, how do I compile minetest for OpenGL ES?
14:17	baconsnorkel	so i setup portable using https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 on ubuntu
14:17	baconsnorkel	i'm not sure where to place my backed up mods and world and how to load them
14:19	sfan5	baconsnorkel: user is ~/.minetest for system-wide install
14:19	sfan5	so ~/.minetest/worlds/
14:19	baconsnorkel	i did a portable install
14:19	sfan5	then it is in bin/../worlds
14:20	baconsnorkel	hrm
14:20	sfan5	which is ~/minetest/worlds if you used calinou's script
14:20	baconsnorkel	k thx
14:21	baconsnorkel	should mods to there as well?
14:21	baconsnorkel	~minetest/mods?
14:23	baconsnorkel	it isn't loading my backed up world
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14:24	baconsnorkel	because i don't have my privs, also no mods are loading
14:25	baconsnorkel	World at [/home/countcharrkilla/minetest/bin/../worlds/world]
14:25	baconsnorkel	the /../ loses me, but i put my world in ~/minetest/worlds/world
14:26	baconsnorkel	i know non portable well, but i couldn't get help on updating
14:26	baconsnorkel	and everything got screwed up when i updated
14:28	baconsnorkel	hrm
14:29	baconsnorkel	think i got it
14:29	baconsnorkel	i had it in ~/minetest/bin/worlds
14:31	vifino	reactor! COME NAO!
14:32	baconsnorkel	sfan5, thank you my world is back
14:35	baconsnorkel	now, how do i update it?
14:36	vifino	Has anybody a build of Minetest for MacOSX
14:36	vifino	?
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14:42	baconsnorkel	i feel like i saw some for older versions of minetest
14:42	baconsnorkel	can't wait till an android one comes along
14:46	sfan5	baconsnorkel: an android version is being worked one
14:46	sfan5	-e
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14:48	reactor	back
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14:52	Krock	Hi
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15:13	iqualfragile	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6eS5vt2gBU
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15:15	fireglow	Is there a way to stop fire from spreading?
15:15	fireglow	I've removed the fire mod, but I have tons of ugly "default block" blocks now
15:16	fireglow	or "unknown node"
15:16	fireglow	can I for example remove all the "fire:basic_flame" from a world?
15:17	Krock	With an ABM, as example
15:20	Krock	http://pastebin.com/hQn38Fc9
15:21	fireglow	hmm
15:21	fireglow	coolio
15:22	fireglow	that would go into delflames/init.lua, yes?
15:22	iqualfragile	fireglow you can allso disable fire spread
15:22	fireglow	iqualfragile: how can I do that?
15:22	iqualfragile	sec
15:23	iqualfragile	disable_fire = true
15:23	iqualfragile	add that to minetest.conf
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15:26	fireglow	iqualfragile: thanks!
15:26	fireglow	wow Krock & iqualfragile you're so helpful, thank you very much!
15:26	reactor	twoelk: Ñ‰/
15:27	iqualfragile	np
15:27	Krock	np
15:27	reactor	also, hi iqualfragile
15:27	iqualfragile	hi reactor
15:27	iqualfragile	long time no see&stuff
15:27	twoelk	whispering hi from secret IRC at work
15:28	reactor	Bam! Secret panel!
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15:42	sfan5	oh hey
15:42	sfan5	that guy is there
15:42	ILike2Grief	Looks like my nice little forum topic got deleted :/, so I ask it here, if anyone wants to grief some servers with me, PM me. : )
15:43	sfan5	!kick ILike2Grief
15:43		ILike2Grief was kicked by MinetestBot: ILike2Grief
15:44		ILike2Grief_ joined #minetest
15:44	ILike2Grief_	why? I didn't break any rules here :(
15:44	sfan5	like on the forum ops may ban you for any reason
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15:45	ILike2Grief_	I don't believe you had even any reason at all
15:46	sfan5	I do
15:46	ILike2Grief_	May I please be informed of it?
15:47	sfan5	maybe
15:47	ILike2Grief_	Ok...
15:49	* ILike2Grief_	waits impatiently
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15:51	ILike2Grief_	!kick sfan5
15:52	sfan5	as if my bot would kick me
15:52	sfan5	well it would
15:52	sfan5	but it does not obey your command
15:52	sfan5	!kick sfan5 this would work
15:52		sfan5 was kicked by MinetestBot: this would work
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15:52	NekoGloop	!kick sparta
15:52	* sfan5	throws a kitten at NekoGloop
15:53	ILike2Grief_	great, care to try "!ban sfan5" too?
15:53	* NekoGloop	pets MinetestBot
15:53	sfan5	ILike2Grief_: nah
15:53	PilzAdam	dont feed the troll
15:54	* sfan5	feeds PilzAdam trolls
15:54	* PilzAdam	noms ILike2Grief_
15:54	NekoGloop	pilz you're the biggest troll here
15:54	ILike2Grief_	yeah I know, I shouldn't be talking to him, sorry
15:56	ILike2Grief_	A repost of a former question: If anyone would like to grief some servers with me (lotta fun :), PM me
15:57		ILike2Grief_ was kicked by VanessaE: Kindergarten is elsewhere!
15:57	sfan5	\o/
15:57	sfan5	but
15:57	sfan5	Y U NO USE MinetestBot's FUNCTIONS?
15:57	VanessaE	MY servers would likely be among them.....
15:57	VanessaE	because lazy? ;)
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15:58	ILike2Grief_	Would someone please tell me why everyone is kicking me?
15:59	NekoGloop	because you're a griefer?
15:59	sfan5	did you read the kick message?
15:59	NekoGloop	and a troll?
15:59	NekoGloop	and a kindergartener?
15:59	reactor	...but why not develop anti-griefing measures ingame instead?
15:59	sfan5	reactor: we do have mods that do that
15:59	reactor	Oh.
16:00	sfan5	feel free to write another mod for this purpose
16:00	VanessaE	reactor: we have anti-griefing measures.
16:00	sfan5	!op
16:00	VanessaE	!kick ILike2Grief_ Go grief the competition then
16:00	reactor	...then ILike2Grief_'s efforts are pointless.
16:01	VanessaE	sfan5: that's why :P
16:01	PilzAdam	yay! op party
16:01		ILike2Grief_ was kicked by VanessaE: Go grief the competition then
16:01		Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.9 is released! \| Website: http://minetest.net \| Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules \| Development channel: #minetest-dev \| Server list: http://minetest.net/servers \| IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| IRC stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html
16:01	sfan5	!deop
16:01	VanessaE	sfan5: too lazy to authenticate with MinetestBot :P
16:01	sfan5	PilzAdam: I just reorganized the topic a bit
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16:02	sfan5	VanessaE: I just need to add your hostmask to the settings
16:02	sfan5	may I?
16:02	ILike2Grief_	The competition? I am not aware of what that is...
16:02	VanessaE	sfan5: sure but be careful with that, I don't know how much of my hostmask is dynamic
16:02	sfan5	IPv6 isn't that dynamic
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16:03	VanessaE	unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful
16:03	sfan5	I'll add it w/o any wildcards for now
16:03	VanessaE	sfan5: oh, I'm on with ipv6 today?
16:03	VanessaE	oh derp
16:03	sfan5	yes
16:03	sfan5	better get a cloak
16:03	VanessaE	yes, go ahead and add this one
16:03	VanessaE	no it's okay, this is my public server, no cloak needed, and it's static
16:04	VanessaE	(suddenly, quassel :P )
16:06	ILike2Grief_	Is there any way to send a PM to multiple people?
16:06	sfan5	MinetestBot: quit
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16:06	sfan5	VanessaE: should work now
16:06	VanessaE	nope, not that I know of, and uninvited PMs are not kindly looked-upon either
16:06	VanessaE	sfan5: ok
16:07	VanessaE	now take your childish behavior back to the playground.
16:07	VanessaE	!kick ILike2Grief_
16:07		ILike2Grief_ was kicked by MinetestBot: ILike2Grief_
16:07	sfan5	works \o/
16:07	VanessaE	good. needed an excuse to test it ;)
16:08	NekoGloop	ya can always kick me
16:08	NekoGloop	i dun care ;P
16:08	* sfan5	gives NekoGloop a kitten
16:08	sfan5	kittens are way better than kicks
16:08	Jordach	zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!
16:08	* NekoGloop	throws the kitten at Jordach
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16:09	ILike2Grief__	This is getting annoying, so stop.
16:09	PilzAdam	!kick ILike2Grief__ mee too!
16:09		ILike2Grief__ was kicked by MinetestBot: mee too!
16:09	sfan5	can we just ban him already?
16:10	PilzAdam	no
16:10	PilzAdam	this is way more fun
16:10	* sfan5	high fives PilzAdam
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16:10	PilzAdam	/)\o
16:10	ILike2Grief	I'm going to tell c55 about this
16:10	sfan5	ahahahahaha
16:10	sfan5	plol
16:11	PenguinDad	plol
16:11	sfan5	and what will he do?
16:11	proller	plol
16:11	VanessaE	chuckle
16:11	VanessaE	either he won't care or he'll agree
16:11	VanessaE	and we all HATE griefing, so piss off
16:11	sfan5	probably the first
16:11	VanessaE	!kick ILike2Grief
16:11		ILike2Grief was kicked by MinetestBot: ILike2Grief
16:12	* sfan5	flips Jordach
16:13		sfan5 was kicked by Jordach: lemme snooze - i'm fucking tired, leave me alone for a bit, kay?
16:13	reactor	Just ban the damn web gateway eh!
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16:13	sfan5	Jordach: get out of IRC if you want to sleep
16:14	Jordach	maybe i like this chair
16:14	PilzAdam	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=131772#p131772
16:14	Jordach	i nearly did at school
16:14	sfan5	reactor: that would be too harsh
16:14	reactor	How?
16:14	reactor	That would subtly hint people to get a normal client.
16:14	reactor	As a bonus, you would get rid of idiots.
16:15	PenguinDad	then how about muting the web gateway? :P
16:15	sfan5	eeee
16:15	sfan5	egarikjhij
16:15	sfan5	the first person replied already: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=131774#p131774
16:15	reactor	PenguinDad: oh.
16:16	Calinou	don't kick for no reason
16:16	Calinou	<PenguinDad> then how about muting the web gateway? :P
16:16	VanessaE	gtg
16:16	Calinou	too many false positives
16:16	VanessaE	bbl
16:16	Krock	lol
16:16	Calinou	really, don't be elitist
16:16	Krock	I clicked on that link, refreshed 30s later and it's gone
16:16	Calinou	"aaaand it's gone" :)
16:16	Krock	^
16:17	reactor	That's not elitist.
16:17	reactor	Web gateways are a stupid thing.
16:17	reactor	...like most web-based stuff.
16:17	sfan5	reactor: you mean IRC web gateways
16:17	reactor	Yeah.
16:17	sfan5	without (normal) Web gateways we would have much of a problem with the Internet
16:18	PilzAdam	gateways are overrated
16:18	reactor	Not just because they tend to be used by idiots. They're a bad practice in general.
16:18	reactor	Web-based apps are always laggy and bandwidth-heavy.
16:19	reactor	And likely insecure.
16:19	Jordach	says the one with a webfacing FTP server
16:19	reactor	It's isolated.
16:19	reactor	over 9999 fscks will be given if someone breaks it
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16:19	Jordach	you'll have to unzip first
16:19	PilzAdam	ftp is obsolete
16:19	reactor	I do never run public services on bare metal.
16:19	Jordach	</unix_humor>
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16:20	reactor	Well, if Windowsers could use SFTP, I would abandon FTP right away.
16:20	sfan5	reactor: use btrfs, you need to fsck then
16:20	ILike2Grief	+1: 16:16 Calinou don't kick for no reason
16:20	reactor	sfan5: that was an euphemism
16:20	sfan5	reactor: ik
16:20	PilzAdam	!kick ILike2Grief reason
16:20		ILike2Grief was kicked by MinetestBot: reason
16:21	Jordach	winning
16:21	reactor	Jordach: heh
16:21	sfan5	I appreciate this humor :D
16:21	Calinou	reactor, I'm sure FileZilla can use SFTP ;)
16:21	Jordach	reactor, but when you're finished, you have to unmount ;)
16:21	reactor	Calinou: but browsers can not.
16:22	reactor	Oh. Look, I've just collided with my own logic.
16:22	reactor	Fuck browsers.
16:22	reactor	Jordach: yeah yeah
16:22	Calinou	for browsers, you would probably just use HTTP(S) downloads
16:22	reactor	fscking a mounted fs leads to interesting consequences.
16:22	reactor	HTTPd does not come with base system.
16:23	reactor	And does not allow for uploading.
16:23	Jordach	reactor, man was meant for unix, shame man didn't come with a manual
16:23	reactor	...without some BDSM.
16:23	reactor	Man does actually have a manual
16:23	Jordach	it's called woman
16:23	reactor	man 1 man
16:24	reactor	No. Woman _thinks_ it's a manual.
16:25	Jordach	sfan5, i'm fully awake now, since i drank my energy drink
16:25	sfan5	was it 'rockstar'?
16:25	Jordach	which colour?
16:25	sfan5	green
16:25	Jordach	nope.avi
16:25	sfan5	just a guess anyway
16:26	Jordach	i'd drink monster, but that's twice the price
16:26	reactor	Interestingly, coffee, used by some for concentration, tends to actually cause distraction.
16:26	reactor	is it "mÑ„nster"?
16:27	Jordach	no
16:27	Jordach	unless it's like Â£1.20, then gtfo
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16:30	ILike2Grief	Too many jerk admins around here to get anyone to join me :(, guess I'll just have to grief by myself. VanessaE's servers on the target list!
16:30	Jordach	why are we even linking webchat to the -dev channel
16:30	Jordach	ILike2Grief, good luck
16:30	Jordach	i just xbanned your ip range
16:30	PilzAdam	Jordach, to read
16:31	ILike2Grief	Jordach: banned from what? :O
16:31	Jordach	the VE server range
16:31	pitriss	kick this idiot plz
16:31	reactor	...I'd better not negotiate with terrorists.
16:31	sfan5	Jordach: did you ban ... yet? I heard there are griefers coming from that IP range
16:31	NekoGloop	all lethal military androids have been provided with one copy of the "Laws of Robotics". To share.
16:32	PilzAdam	!kick ILike2Grief idiot plz
16:32		ILike2Grief was kicked by MinetestBot: idiot plz
16:32	reactor	NekoGloop: slow clap
16:32	sfan5	PilzAdam: hey, it was my turn
16:32	sfan5	:'-(
16:32	pitriss	thank you
16:32	PilzAdam	next time, sfan5.... next time
16:32	reactor	...web gateway is the primary source of onanimous idiots.
16:32	Jordach	deal with it
16:33	Jordach	let's see if he twigs
16:33	PilzAdam	Jordach, you do realise that he already joined with ILike2Grief_?
16:33	Jordach	now stfy
16:33	harrison	onanimous lol
16:33	harrison	my aunt had a canary named onan
16:33	harrison	because he kept spillin his seed on the ground
16:34	harrison	spilling
16:34	Jordach	androids would never misspell
16:34	Jordach	as you claim to be
16:34	reactor	I am not one.
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16:35	* Jordach	purrs at EvergreenTree
16:35	reactor	EvergreenTree: nice IP.
16:35	* EvergreenTree	barks at Jordach
16:35	* Jordach	still waits for a 69.69.69.69
16:35	EvergreenTree	reactor: what nice ip?
16:35	* reactor	wants 66.66.66.66
16:35	Jordach	<-- EvergreenTree (~quassel184.17.67.71) has quit (Changing host)
16:35	sfan5	!up 66.66.66.66
16:35	PilzAdam	!title http://69.69.69.69/
16:35	MinetestBot	66.66.66.66:30000 seems to be down
16:35	sfan5	damn
16:35	EvergreenTree	odd, I have an unafilliated cloak
16:35	sfan5	!title has a long timeout
16:36	PilzAdam	MinetestBot!
16:36	MinetestBot	PilzAdam!
16:36	reactor	!title localhost
16:36	MinetestBot	reactor: No title found
16:36	sfan5	EvergreenTree: you authenticated after joining the channel
16:36	EvergreenTree	I can't type that fast
16:36	EvergreenTree	:P
16:36	sfan5	!title localhost/forumstats.html
16:36	MinetestBot	sfan5: Minetest Forum Statistics
16:36	PilzAdam	EvergreenTree, inb4 sasl
16:36	reactor	...authenticating manually! -_-
16:36	PenguinDad	EvergreenTree, try SASL
16:36	EvergreenTree	mkay
16:36		ILike2Grief joined #minetest
16:36	MinetestBot	PilzAdam: Can't connect to http://69.69.69.69/
16:36	PilzAdam	sfan5, ^^
16:37	PilzAdam	your turn
16:37	reactor	!expr Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰-
16:37	reactor	ILike2Grief: Ð³Ð”ÐŸÐ®Ð‘Ð¯Ð Ð‘Ð¡Ð˜Ð Ð• Ð•Ð«â•¦ ÐŸÐ®Ð“.
16:38	sfan5	!kick ILike2Grief yay! my turn æ°ã!
16:38		ILike2Grief was kicked by MinetestBot: yay! my turn æ°ã!
16:38	PilzAdam	Jordach, remove the mute, its funier if
16:38	PilzAdam	*more fun if he says something
16:39	sfan5	!unmute ILike2Grief!@*
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16:39	NekoGloop	what's the text there, sfan?
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16:40	Jordach	gg
16:40	sfan5	NekoGloop: æ°ã! -> shine! -> Die!
16:40	Jordach	http://paste.ubuntu.com/7028446/
16:40	NekoGloop	ah.
16:40	sfan5	ahahaha
16:40	PilzAdam	lolwat
16:40	sfan5	ah
16:41	PilzAdam	we dont ban him
16:41	sfan5	the IP is a rapidswitch dedicated server
16:41	sfan5	too bad
16:41	Jordach	little does he know i'm in the IRC channel that VanessaE's servers chat to
16:41		markveidemanis joined #minetest
16:41	Jordach	and i nick'd to Ghostmin on purpose
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16:41	reactor	sfan5: there must be a way to contact its owners.
16:41	markveidemanis	Hi
16:42	sfan5	reactor: % Abuse contact for '217.147.94.0 - 217.147.94.255' is 'abuserapidswitch.com'
16:42	EvergreenTree	That's better. Thank you for telling me btw
16:42	reactor	sfan5: yeah
16:42	Jordach	VE-Minetest, cmd xban 217.147.94.* <- instant KILL
16:43	reactor	O O *
16:43	reactor	O O
16:43	* Jordach	is thinking of starting a server that joins this channel, but shout isn't a given priv
16:43	PilzAdam	Jordach, no!
16:43	Jordach	you have to use webchat or bust :)
16:44	Jordach	you need shout for chatting PilzAdam
16:44	PilzAdam	I think it would be best to not allow irc-mod servers in this channel
16:44	PilzAdam	#minetest @ InchraNet is just too spammy
16:45	Jordach	that's why i said nobody has shout
16:45	* sfan5	agrees with PilzAdam
16:45	Jordach	some sort of server just for the people in here would be nice
16:45	reactor	...create own channel for server?
16:45	Jordach	(ofc, hidden in another chan)
16:50	markveidemanis	~seen RagnarLaud
16:50	ShadowBot	markveidemanis: I saw RagnarLaud in #minetest 1 day, 6 hours, 7 minutes, and 11 seconds ago saying "to a chain*".
16:50	sfan5	markveidemanis: Y U NO USE MY BOT?
16:50		Naked joined #minetest
16:50	markveidemanis	Because I rely on ShadowBot not to ban me randomly
16:51	sfan5	ah
16:51	sfan5	well
16:51	sfan5	!uningore markveidemanis
16:51	markveidemanis	or 'ignore' as it were
16:51	sfan5	MinetestBot!
16:51	sfan5	!uningore markveidemanis
16:51	MinetestBot	sfan5!
16:53	MinetestBot	I don't want to unignore markveidemanis!
16:54	sfan5	oh fail
16:54	sfan5	!unignore markveidemanis
16:54	MinetestBot	sfan5: 'markveidemanis' removed from ignore list.
16:54	Jordach	that bitch has AI
16:54	Jordach	-bitch
16:54	MinetestBot	Hey! Who are you calling a bitch?
16:54	NekoGloop	haha
16:55	Jordach	you know my fingers suck for typing
16:56	sfan5	you probably wanted to say birch instead of bitch
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16:56	Jordach	then that'd be annoying EvergreenTree
16:56	ILike2Grief	I know more than you think ;) "Jordach little does he know i'm in the IRC channel that VanessaE's servers chat to"
16:58	Jordach	<3 xyz for once
16:58	sfan5	why would xyz remove [off] ?
16:58	Jordach	don't fucking ask me
16:59	plolololol	sweet
16:59	plolololol	nick changes aren't shown
17:00	sfan5	lol
17:00	sfan5	!tell reactor next time use f as quit message
17:00	MinetestBot	sfan5: yeah, yeah
17:00	sfan5	<3 MinetestBot
17:00	MinetestBot	<3 sfan5
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17:13	NekoGloop	lol
17:16	VanessaE	oh whoop-de-do, so Mr griefer knows how to find the channel logs
17:16	* VanessaE	is back
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17:22	rubenwardy	Hi all
17:24	Krock	Hey
17:27	* markveidemanis	has just linked a web-editable directory to another domain
17:27	markveidemanis	basically hosted a project from project management
17:44	NekoGloop	http://i.imgur.com/tuUKUb1.jpg
17:45	Calinou	VanessaE, BOFH?
17:45	AdminsGhoul	!g define BOFH
17:45	MinetestBot	AdminsGhoul: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BOFH
17:48		vifino joined #minetest
17:50	VanessaE	also, hand in your geek card :P
17:50		SylvieLorxu joined #minetest
17:50	rubenwardy	oh yeah!
17:50	vifino	Anybody got a working MacBuildÃŸ
17:50	vifino	Anybody got a working MacBuild?
17:50	NekoGloop	we'd have a working macbuild
17:51	NekoGloop	except that would require that mac worked
17:51	VanessaE	vifino: the only builds I know of are one that's outdated, and one that's not entirely legal
17:51	vifino	VanessaE "not entirely legal" lol
17:51	PilzAdam	NekoGloop is responsible for Mac builds
17:52	vifino	Well, my build failed several times
17:52	NekoGloop	ok.
17:52	NekoGloop	cool.
17:52	VanessaE	vifino: "not entirely legal" = supposedly the buildcraft guys did a build for Mac also
17:52	* NekoGloop	throws the mac build in a river
17:52	vifino	VanessaE kay
17:52	VanessaE	but buildcraft itself isn't legal
17:53	NekoGloop	and also shares a name with a minecraft mod that is quickly killing itself
17:53	vifino	If someone who codes on MineTest wanna help me to get a macbuild working, say it!
17:53	NekoGloop	utter silence
17:53	vifino	made i change that makes cmake build it without errors
17:54	VanessaE	vifino: you'd probably be better off inquiring on #minetest-dev later
17:54	vifino	yeah
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17:54	vifino	i cant wait though...
17:54	NekoGloop	then go to the bathroom
17:54	VanessaE	you're more likely to find someone there that can give you some insight but bear in mind that you might be elected to be the Mac maintainer :P
17:58	* AdminsGhoul	is the only person here with the balls to square up against VanessaE
17:59	Calinou	:o urban dictionary has a new design
18:01	* AdminsGhoul	might fork out for this
18:01	AdminsGhoul	http://woboq.com/quassel.html
18:03	* AdminsGhoul	updates Quassel
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18:05	VanessaE	haha
18:05	Jordach	tghere
18:05	Jordach	i've missed the hover over link for preview
18:05	Jordach	i was running 0.7.x
18:05	Jordach	now running with 0.9.2
18:05	VanessaE	I turned those damn things off, they kept gettins stuck
18:05	VanessaE	getting*
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18:07	Jordach	did i not have an extra set of join lines?
18:07	Jordach	because i enabled SASL on both IRC servers
18:10	* Jordach	waits around for his dropbox folder full of shit to get around to doing
18:20	Jordach	jesus fuck spotify just ramped up network load
18:20	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/fXClkmz.png
18:21	Jordach	5.97mb
18:22	Jordach	>waiting for Pavel_S' email >youtube notification >dreams crushed
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18:26	sfan5	!tell Jordach spotify:track:61fSt0sLgLlHoAqacJxHZ5
18:26	MinetestBot	sfan5: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
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18:36	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Document CMake options in README 8e15179e7d 2014-03-03T10:35:14-08:00 http://git.io/hcJDJA
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19:05	Taoki[laptop]	Hmm... I wonder why I no longer receive emails from the forum for topics I'm subscribed to
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19:32	sfan5	!title
19:32	MinetestBot	sfan5: Yeltsa Kcir â€” Pu Uoy Evig Annog Reven - YouTube
19:34	rubenwardy	SmartFS update: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=131823#p131823
19:40	fwilson	So I'm a bit confused about how to get parameters from a chat command
19:40	fwilson	The example doesn't demonstrate it very well :(
19:40	fwilson	because "params" is a ... string?
19:41	Jordach	fwilson, the first thing that goes into the function
19:41	Jordach	is the player name
19:41	fwilson	right
19:41	fwilson	so is "param" a list of parameters?
19:41	Jordach	anything after that, is an arg
19:41	fwilson	oh
19:41	fwilson	so i'll get multiple arguments after the player name
19:41	fwilson	what's the point of the "params" string then
19:41	Jordach	exactly
19:42	fwilson	that's really throwing me off :\|
19:42	PilzAdam	fwilson, "params" is everything after the command
19:42	PilzAdam	in one string
19:42	Jordach	http://paste.ubuntu.com/7029320/
19:42	Jordach	^ that shows usage of the player name
19:43	fwilson	right, i know how to use the player name
19:43	fwilson	so wait a second
19:43	fwilson	PilzAdam: i'm looking at the example on http://dev.minetest.net/register_chatcommand , i mean the first parameter in the options table there
19:43	fwilson	what's that for
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19:44	PilzAdam	ah, thats just a string that should describe the parameter format to players
19:44	fwilson	oh, okay
19:44	fwilson	so just to be clear, the function gets two arguments, the player name and a string with the rest of the command
19:45	sfan5	yes
19:45	fwilson	ok, thanks
19:45	* fwilson	goes back to modding
19:45	Jordach	and now that explains why the old sethome shat it's guts out
19:45	sfan5	I can't find this damn song! :-(
19:52	sfan5	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=131814#p131814
19:52	sfan5	I FUCKING HATE IT when he does that
19:52	Jordach	then deny him access
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19:56	* Krock	is about to compile his own MT release
19:56	sfan5	Jordach: that'll just cause troublwe
19:56	sfan5	-w
19:56	Jordach	FreeMiner will eventually become un-maintainable
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20:02	Krock	hmm I'm getting the following error: CD3D9Texture.cpp(13): fatal error C1083: Datei (Include) kann nicht geÃ¶ffnet wrden: "d3dx9tex.h": No such file or directory [E:\Programme\MT_compiler\irrlict-1.8.1\source\Irrlicht\Irrlicht10.0.vcxproj]
20:02	Krock	What's missing there?
20:03	PilzAdam	a proper OS :-p
20:03	Krock	Ehm wrong answer
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20:08	sfan5	Krock: directx dsk
20:08	sfan5	sdk*
20:09	Krock	k
20:19	Krock	More errors, this time at libvorbis: ..\..\..\lib\analysis.c(21): fatal error C1083: Datei (Include) kann nicht geÃ¶ffnet werden: "ogg/ogg.h": No such file or directory [E:\Programme\MT_compiler\libvorbis-1.3.3\win32\VS2010\libvorbis\libvorbis_static.vcxproj]
20:20	Krock	I can't understand, I extracted all files
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20:23	Krock	Nvm, solved theproblem
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21:36	daswort	i get the following error, any ideas how to fix it?
21:36	daswort	Fatal error, could not get visual.
21:37	daswort	--verbose doesn't add something helpfull
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21:39	VanessaE	sounds like your system doesn't have OpenGL support?
21:39	VanessaE	(or no 3d anyway)
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21:43	daswort	the thing is that even trine on full effects works and other opengl games to. VanessaE
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21:46	daswort	glxinfo say "OpenGL core profile context flags: (none)" is that relevant?
21:46	daswort	+s
21:49	sfan5	try compiling Irrlicht from source
21:58	daswort	can i install the source (via apt) and the make file recognises it automatically? or do i need to clone their repo and change the make file?
22:03	sfan5	just clone the official Irrlicht source compile it and use the cmake options for irrlicht
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22:03	sfan5	http://dev.minetest.net/CMake_Options
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22:38	Partmedia	Hi, are vombies from the animals_modpack supposed to spawn when the "secondary spawning" option is enabled?
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