IRC log for #minetest, 2014-05-05

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Time	Nick	Message
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00:11	Jordach	klick klack
00:11	Jordach	system fan removed
00:13	Jordach	EvergreenTree, HOLY SHIT
00:13	EvergreenTree	hm?
00:13	Jordach	i found a mountain in the world we were in made of stone
00:13	Jordach	AND IT'S FUCKING OIL
00:14	EvergreenTree	lol
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00:50	BlockMen	night everyone
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00:54	EvergreenTree	g'night everyone
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01:00	lemon	what "Congestion control parameters" in minetest.conf do?
01:06	Jordach	lolwat
01:06	Jordach	i'm up longer than evergreen and he's in the US
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07:06	MinetestBot	GIT: maciej.kasatkinyahoo.com commited to minetest/minetest: Bugfix: make waypoints respect camera offset 6f511b1d05 2014-05-05T09:03:37+02:00 http://git.io/DSEYlg
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07:40	RealBadAngel	Unified Inventory is updated with waypoints support
07:40	RealBadAngel	ofc for that feature you will need up to date game
07:43	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/6VAtiUW.png
07:48	VanessaE	and dreambuilder is updated to follow.
07:48	VanessaE	build  20140505-0343
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08:32	* whiskers75	hugs VanessaE
08:44	VanessaE	hi
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08:55	CWz	there's a server on the server list that is "lying" about it's user count
08:55	whiskers75	which one?
08:56	CWz	Eternal Deadly Christmas
08:56	doge	514/515  o.o
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10:17	crazyR	is there anyway to change an abm interval dynamicly?
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10:30	whiskers75	sfan5, meow
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11:39	Jordach	morning
11:51	Jordach	finally! (fixed TBM so it's not a sub repo anymore)
11:53	Jordach	basically, git rm -rf --force * && git add * && git commit -m "commit"
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12:39	whiskers75	hi Jordach
12:39	whiskers75	http://gfycat.com/FormalPaltryAmericanindianhorse :D
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13:23	Megaf	Hi
13:24	FreeFull	Heya
13:28	tuorwork	have minetest redstone?
13:29	nore	see mesecons
13:29	nore	tuorwork, ^
13:30	Megaf	tuorwork: yep, It's even cooler than redstone
13:30	Megaf	more complete
13:30	Megaf	you can actually program microcontrollers
13:30	Megaf	and make the server totally unresponsive
13:30	Megaf	:P
13:30	tuorwork	Megaf: wow
13:31	Megaf	tuorwork: yes, mesecons are quite powerful
13:31	Megaf	there are some cool logic gates
13:31	Megaf	and some simpler ones
13:31	Megaf	like diodes and not gate
13:31	tuorwork	how can i have a look how minetest function? "like this is minetest"
13:31	Megaf	hm
13:31	tuorwork	diods. nice
13:31	nore	you can visit VanessaE's server if you want to see that...
13:31	Megaf	or my server?
13:31	nore	you can see quite a lot there
13:32	Megaf	I have pipeworks, digilines, mesecons
13:32	nore	well, the simplest thing is to visit a server
13:32	Megaf	tuorwork: hold on
13:32	tuorwork	but this evening not now.. ;)
13:32	Megaf	tuorwork: this is Mesecons http://mesecons.net/
13:33	Megaf	and pipeworks are really cool too vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/
13:34	nore	the video is quite old though
13:34	Megaf	Those are mods for minetest
13:34	Megaf	yay! 0 players on my server
13:35	Megaf	~up minetest.megaf.info 30003
13:35	tuorwork	ok so i'll see this evening if i can join a server to watch how it looks.
13:35	ShadowBot	Megaf: minetest.megaf.info port 30003 is up (610ms)
13:35	Megaf	tuorwork: I will be happy and guiding you
13:35	Megaf	in guiding*
13:36	Megaf	tuorwork: just be around in 7 hours
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13:38	tuorwork	UTC?
13:38	tuorwork	MEZ?
13:39	Megaf	tuorwork: 7 hours from now
13:39	Megaf	tuorwork: 16 hours UTC 0
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13:41	Megaf	tuorwork: be around at 16:00 UTC
13:42	tuorwork	Megaf: ok, ill be on the way but ~16:30 UTC I-ll online again.. :)
13:45	asie	refactoring my gate implementation into an API for easily adding gates
13:46	Jordach	hey asie
13:46	Jordach	walking to the shop this morning, and i can easily majorly refactor the tanks and jukebox
13:46	Jordach	but i'm not bothering, in case it fucks up :)
13:48	Wooldoor	Hi guys... Do you use WorldEdit GUI on your server?
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13:50	zsoltisawesome_	hi sfan5!
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13:52	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
13:52	Megaf	Hi PilzAdam
13:52	Megaf	Wooldoor: I don't
13:52	Megaf	I rather use commands only
13:52	Wooldoor	Hi Pilzadam!
13:54	Wooldoor	How come, Megaf?
13:54	Wooldoor	I mean, so far I only used commands too. But I wanted to try GUI
13:55	Wooldoor	Unfortunately I can't get it to work. It shows up, but when I click the buttons nothing happens.
13:55	zsoltisawesome_	sad
13:56	zsoltisawesome_	Wooldoor? :D
13:56	Wooldoor	Don't be sad zsoltiawesome_
13:57	Megaf	Wooldoor: you need to select the area first
13:57	Megaf	Doing a //pos1 for example
13:58	Wooldoor	Thanks, Megaf, but not even the 'About' button works
13:58	zsoltisawesome_	its broken! broken, i tell you!
13:58	zsoltisawesome_	:P
13:58	Wooldoor	That might be the reason, zsoltiawesome_
13:59	zsoltisawesome_	is it lua code?
13:59	Wooldoor	Uh yes
13:59	zsoltisawesome_	lol
13:59	zsoltisawesome_	is it on the forum
14:00	zsoltisawesome_	i just got here
14:00	zsoltisawesome_	:P
14:00	Megaf	Wooldoor: Anyway, I just disabled the GUI thing
14:00	Megaf	in my world.mt file
14:01	Wooldoor	yeah, I might have to Megaf
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14:01	Megaf	"10:40:56: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: cerfsquare399 supplied empty password"
14:01	Megaf	Why you no use password?
14:01	zsoltisawesome_	Wooldoor: <Jordach> Calinou, the "," in Lua, world champion at hide and seek
14:02	zsoltisawesome_	^from logs
14:03	asie	http://paste.ubuntu.com/7398812/
14:03	asie	this is what the API currently looks like
14:03	asie	textures are all mesegates_[name]_0.png and _1.png, the side and bottom is unified
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14:03	asie	i will also rework it into a few helper functions
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14:04	zsoltisawesome_	asie: pretty cool!
14:04	asie	it's nice as I will easily be able to easily define every single gate i wanted to define
14:05	asie	and I wrote the API in a way that will let me add features to gates later
14:05	asie	such as RedPower2-esque blocking of certain input sides
14:05	zsoltisawesome_	WHO says polio is coming back :O
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14:08	zsoltisawesome_	Krock!
14:08	Krock	hello
14:09	zsoltisawesome_	Jordach: Github for windows 8 is quite... white
14:09	zsoltisawesome_	is there a dark color scheme?
14:11	sfan5	meow
14:11	sfan5	hi everyone
14:11	asie	how does texture overlapping work in minetest's API?
14:11	asie	as i want to finally make use of it
14:11	* sfan5	puts a kitten on whiskers75's head
14:12	sfan5	asie: overlapping?
14:12	asie	sfan5: as in putting textures one on top of another
14:12	asie	i heard that is possible
14:12	zsoltisawesome_	like this: tiles = {"default_stone.png^default_mineral_coal.png"},
14:12	asie	i see
14:12	sfan5	!g texture modifiers "minetest" site:github.com
14:12	MinetestBot	sfan5: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/207
14:12	zsoltisawesome_	lol
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14:14	zsoltisawesome_	lol I am now µCarrot
14:15	microcarrot	アイ・アム・エイ・スペイスマン!
14:15	Wooldoor	omg I can't believe it. It was my client
14:15	microcarrot	what!
14:15	sfan5	asie: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/tile.cpp#L1038-1452 look there
14:16	sfan5	microcarrot: にゃん～！
14:16	asie	sfan5: that is absolutely amazing
14:16	asie	...japanese
14:16	asie	i should get back to learning it
14:16	asie	not modding minetest
14:16	microcarrot	yes
14:16	microcarrot	lol
14:16	microcarrot	katakana FTW
14:17	sfan5	^ meow
14:17	asie	sfan5: i noticed.
14:17	asie	i managed to learn hiragana and start learning katakana and then minetest.
14:18	sfan5	the katakana are very similar to the hiragana
14:18	microcarrot	sfan5: ミーアウ
14:18	asie	my main thing i find lacking in minetest is
14:18	asie	there is no ability to dynamically change the texture, or is there?
14:18	microcarrot	nope
14:18	sfan5	of nodes, no
14:18	asie	i always wondered how signs_lib pulls it off
14:18	microcarrot	textures are loaded at start
14:18	sfan5	but you can dynamically change textures of entities
14:19	asie	microcarrot: not what i mean
14:19	asie	i mean out of textures loaded at start
14:19	asie	sfan5: i see!
14:19	sfan5	microcarrot: writing german words with katakana does not make much sense
14:20	microcarrot	hm?
14:20	microcarrot	meow?
14:20	microcarrot	i think not that is a german word^
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14:20	sfan5	miau is german for meow
14:21	microcarrot	lol
14:21	microcarrot	http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/e2k.cgi
14:21	microcarrot	helpful
14:21	nore	asie, about signs_lib: it stacks a lot of textures (one for each character)
14:22	tuorwork	someone speaks german/french?
14:22	microcarrot	sfan5, PenguinDad, etc.
14:22	nore	tuorwork, I speak french
14:22	tuorwork	oh nice.
14:23	* sfan5	throws a 世界 at microcarrot
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14:23	Krock	what's better from MB/quality? mp3 or ogg?
14:24	sfan5	ogg
14:24	microcarrot	you throw a world at me? ouch
14:24	microcarrot	+1
14:24	Krock	ok th
14:24	Krock	x
14:24	sfan5	microcarrot: I didn't specify how big it is
14:24	sfan5	Krock: opus is even better
14:24	sfan5	but you don't usually measure such things in quality/MB
14:24	microcarrot	sfan5: lol
14:25	Krock	sfan5, opus? that's a music group
14:25	Krock	</noob>
14:25	microcarrot	time to update the moontest forum post, #necrobumping
14:25	PenguinDad	much noob
14:25	Krock	many noob
14:25	microcarrot	such noob
14:27	microcarrot	damn, how to strikethrough on phpBB?
14:29	sfan5	Krock: http://opus-codec.org/
14:30	Krock	sfan5, when I look at the changelog, then it ssems like this has potential to beat mp3 :3
14:31	Krock	*in popularity
14:31	microcarrot	yay!
14:31	PenguinDad	sadly minetest doesn't have opus support :/
14:32	microcarrot	what is the deadline for ubuntuone?
14:32	microcarrot	like to pull your files?
14:33	Krock	microcarrot, does [del]blah balhtext[/del] work?
14:33	microcarrot	hmm
14:33	microcarrot	ope
14:33	microcarrot	*nope
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14:35	PenguinDad	:C
14:35	microcarrot	what
14:36	microcarrot	yay!
14:36	microcarrot	moontest get!
14:37	microcarrot	lol: "C:\Users\Zsolt\Downloads\This\folder\is\very\buried"
14:40	microcarrot	achievement get: such mod
14:44	microcarrot	erm: "Firefox can't find the server at www.mediarcru.sh."
14:45	microcarrot	well crap
14:45	microcarrot	Dropbox hates Tor, Mediacrush is broken, I have no way to upload screenshots!
14:49	PenguinDad	microcarrot: Imgur
14:49	microcarrot	Imgur doesn't respect privacy, that's why i dont use it
14:50	microcarrot	i'm mad at Tor
14:50	microcarrot	it won't let me access my 20GB dropbox!
14:50	PenguinDad	Dopebox doesn't respect privacy too
14:50	PenguinDad	*dropbox
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14:50	microcarrot	they do a little better, but still
14:50	microcarrot	ah!
14:50	microcarrot	i knoww
14:51	microcarrot	MEGA is the solution!
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14:52	microcarrot	i hope MEGA is Tor-tolerant
14:52	PenguinDad	Yotta is better :P
14:52	microcarrot	in what way?
14:52	Krock	mediafire.
14:53	microcarrot	FUCK Mediafire!
14:53	Krock	why?
14:53	microcarrot	Ads are annoying
14:53	Krock	get ad blocker
14:53	microcarrot	i do
14:53	microcarrot	MEGA is better
14:53	Krock	Get a better ad blocker
14:53	microcarrot	encrypted!
14:54	Krock	go into darknet and publish there your criminal photos
14:55	microcarrot	hmm?
14:56	Krock	aagh why are automatically all topic subsriped when I post something?
14:56	Krock	spam alert
14:57	microcarrot	change your phpBB user settings
14:57	microcarrot	:P
14:57	Krock	Manage subscriptions -> Mark all -> Unwatch marked -> Wow that easy
14:58	microcarrot	lol
14:58	Krock	fu... 2nd page
14:58	microcarrot	#lag
14:58	microcarrot	lol
14:59	microcarrot	that acually exsists
14:59	microcarrot	XD
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14:59	Krock	sfan5, Manage attachments -> Mark all -> Delete marked -> Do the mods really want that easy-made-delete-on-ragequit-feature?
14:59	Mikerhinos	hi
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15:00	Krock	hi sonihrekiM
15:00	microcarrot	Hi kcorK
15:01	microcarrot	k cork XD
15:01	PenguinDad	EHLO Mikerhinos.local
15:02	sfan5	microcarrot: mediacru.sh not mediarcru.sh
15:03	microcarrot	fail
15:04	sfan5	microcarrot: >Dropbox hates Tor
15:04	sfan5	umm
15:04	sfan5	are you using tor?
15:04	microcarrot	sfan5: yus
15:04	microcarrot	why?
15:04	sfan5	that is not a good idea
15:04	microcarrot	why?
15:05	sfan5	it is not a good idea to log into any service over tor (without being sure that you're using TLS)
15:05	sfan5	the exit node can steal all your data
15:05	PenguinDad	microcarrot: if you are using mediacrush over tor you should use the hidden service
15:06	microcarrot	hmm
15:06	PilzAdam	because fuck privacy, thats why
15:07	microcarrot	PilzAdam: *fuck you
15:07	Krock	^- wtfy
15:08	* PenguinDad	tries to find the wwan wire
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15:13	fluffy_	hi??
15:14	Krock	bye.
15:14	microcarrot	;p;
15:14	Krock	lol
15:14	microcarrot	lol
15:14	microcarrot	there isn't much to take pictures of on the moon XD
15:16	microcarrot	erm
15:16	microcarrot	lol
15:16	microcarrot	i accedentally am trying to upload minetest.exe to mediacrush
15:16	microcarrot	XD
15:16	Krock	EXE FOR THE WIN
15:17	microcarrot	yes
15:17	microcarrot	APP FOR THE MAC
15:17	microcarrot	XD
15:17	microcarrot	https://mediacru.sh/BN8GBNadMoU7
15:17	sfan5	!title
15:17	MinetestBot	sfan5: MediaCrush
15:18	microcarrot	:O
15:18	microcarrot	no way!
15:19	Krock	MinetestBot, you failed.
15:19	Krock	Title is MediaCrush (800x600)
15:19	microcarrot	:O
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15:19	microcarrot	asie!
15:20	asie	hi
15:20	PenguinDad	Krock: it's just MediaCrush for me
15:20	microcarrot	would you like to be put down as a contributer to moontest?
15:21	sfan5	Krock: the (800x600) is added by javascript
15:21	Krock	PenguinDad, sfan5, ok. JavaScript for the win then.
15:21	sfan5	no
15:21	sfan5	Javascript is bad
15:21	sfan5	very bad
15:21	microcarrot	yes
15:21	microcarrot	ECMAScript is better
15:21	microcarrot	:P
15:22	Krock	It's useful is many visual cases but it has too much holes at all
15:22	sfan5	both are shit
15:22	microcarrot	sfan5: lol
15:23	microcarrot	javascript ========== ECMAScript
15:24	microcarrot	PenguinDad: Firefox can't find the server at mediacrs5ujufxog.onion.
15:24	Krock	microcarrot, much equvalent.
15:24	sfan5	microcarrot: then you aren't using tor
15:24	microcarrot	i am
15:24	sfan5	no you aren't
15:24	microcarrot	its portator
15:24	sfan5	are you using your main browser?
15:24	microcarrot	yes
15:25	microcarrot	FF doesn't know its tor
15:25	sfan5	(what the fuck)
15:25	microcarrot	it thinks its a proxy server
15:25	sfan5	you need to configure every program for it to use tor
15:25	sfan5	it won't do that automatically
15:25	microcarrot	i know
15:25	microcarrot	its set to use tor
15:25	sfan5	yeah, you did not do that for firefox
15:25	Krock	microcarrot, better use tor brower
15:25	sfan5	otherwise it would find the server
15:26	sfan5	also if you leave flash/java/etc. enabled someone could easily get your real IP
15:26	microcarrot	TorBrowser is the equivilent to 60 addons + firefox
15:26	microcarrot	fucking slow
15:27	sfan5	(what the fuck)
15:27	sfan5	it's so slow because you can't expect good speeds from the tor network
15:27	microcarrot	what?
15:27	PenguinDad	hmmm… it's not slow for me
15:27	microcarrot	i guess it doesn't like Minetest and firefox
15:28	sfan5	what doesn't like minetest?
15:28	PenguinDad	you can't use minetest over tor -.-
15:28	microcarrot	TorBrowser
15:28	microcarrot	no shit
15:28	sfan5	uhh
15:28	microcarrot	i have 2gb of ram
15:28	sfan5	what are your proxy settings for the browser you currently use?
15:28	sfan5	and?
15:29	microcarrot	SOCKS proxy: localhost:9050
15:29	microcarrot	^tor
15:29	microcarrot	lol
15:29	microcarrot	TorBrowser is an idiot
15:30	Krock	IE 1.0 is an idiot
15:30	sfan5	???
15:30	microcarrot	its all "I don't want to use the already running tor.exe, i will launch a new one, and make it so i can't load pages!"
15:30	Krock	since when can things be idiots?
15:30	Krock	programs only do what you tell them
15:30	microcarrot	:/
15:31	microcarrot	i didn't tell it to launch Tor twice
15:31	asie	http://paste.ubuntu.com/7399288/
15:32	asie	is the API clear enough yet?
15:32	sfan5	yes
15:32	microcarrot	yes
15:32	asie	let's do a similar one for XOR
15:32	asie	also, i will add two more fields
15:32	asie	min_inputs and max_inputs
15:33	microcarrot	yay!
15:33	microcarrot	#gates
15:34	PenguinDad	#torvalds :p
15:34	asie	http://paste.ubuntu.com/7399317/
15:34	asie	#stallman
15:36	sfan5	this is not twitter
15:36	* Krock	tweets
15:37	asie	http://paste.ubuntu.com/7399330/ <- NAND gate!
15:37	asie	has another function from the API there, too
15:38	Krock	horray?
15:38	microcarrot	lol
15:38	microcarrot	i just registered all of those channels
15:38	microcarrot	:P
15:39	microcarrot	i have like 20 channels on freenode registered
15:39	PenguinDad	I just have seen a rat dying in nyancat rainbows
15:39	microcarrot	lol
15:40	microcarrot	we should make rainbows have lava physics
15:40	microcarrot	they KILL YOU!
15:42	microcarrot	gonna make tac nayn
15:42	microcarrot	such fucking annoying! http://www.nyan.cat/tacnayn
15:44	Krock	microcarrot, minetest needs this.
15:45	microcarrot	i'm making
15:45	microcarrot	:D
15:45	microcarrot	will even have the music, i think
15:45	microcarrot	http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/822/4921/original.jpg
15:46	sfan5	https://pp.vk.me/c607929/v607929263/624e/K6NMxz0Cj7U.jpg
15:46	microcarrot	lol
15:46	microcarrot	Dogebear
15:46	microcarrot	XD
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15:48	microcarrot	"Caution: MEGA's cryptographic security model depends on the confidentiality of the keys displayed above. Avoid transmitting them through insecure channels! "
15:48	* microcarrot	thinks of #insecure
15:48	microcarrot	:P
15:50	PenguinDad	better call it #mega-insecure :þ
15:51	microcarrot	lol
15:51	* Krock	got 1010 posts, then 1011, then 1100 <-- NOT :(
15:53	Krock	Wow..my most active post evaar... a game.
15:54	asie	okay
15:54	asie	time to rewrite mesegates to allow you to block off sides
16:05	PilzAdam	lol, BSD user spotted https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=140637#p140637
16:05	Krock	bsd = linux for me
16:06	* PilzAdam	replaces Krock's head with a working version
16:06	PilzAdam	what did you say?
16:06	* Krock	wonders where PilzAdam got it from
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16:06	Krock	hey
16:07	Krock	PilzAdam: Krock.Calc(BSD === LINUX) = true
16:07	PilzAdam	hmmm.. seems still broken
16:07	Krock	lol
16:07	* PilzAdam	removes the head
16:08	PilzAdam	I'll wait for the tech department to send a working version
16:08	PilzAdam	(sfan5 is the tech department)
16:10	microcarrot	Ah!
16:10	microcarrot	BUG!
16:10	microcarrot	no ores are spawning, my fault
16:10	microcarrot	i haven't coded it XD
16:10	* Krock	needs help. ERROR_HEAD_EXE_NOT_FOUND
16:11	* microcarrot	gives Krock my brother's head
16:11	microcarrot	*his
16:11	Krock	oink oink
16:11	Krock	oink
16:11	microcarrot	lol
16:11	* Krock	takes the head off
16:12	PilzAdam	john_minetest, yea sure, lim x->inf (e ^ x) = 0
16:12	* microcarrot	gives Krock K_Rock.head.exe
16:12	Krock	~give Krock HEAD_EXE
16:12	ShadowBot	Krock: <HEAD_EXE>
16:12	Krock	:)
16:13	Krock	lol "3) I'm British, what do you expect? Some clever dude from, idk... Switzerland????" -e-arif
16:14	asie	okay, i'm almost done adding RP2-esque toggleable input sides to my gates
16:16	Krock	what's ELF?
16:16	Krock	..a binary
16:17	Krock	.COM ftw!
16:17	microcarrot	john_minetest: or ObeseELF :P
16:18	Krock	old 7.3 ms-dos wise
16:18	microcarrot	Krock: .ini FTW
16:18	Krock	microcarrot, ini doesn't mean "I'm aNother bInary"
16:19	microcarrot	lol
16:19	microcarrot	.app FTW
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16:20	Krock	Holy, A Rare, Dark Whisky I aRound thE Dolfins
16:20	Krock	uh so cretive
16:20	Krock	H.A.R.D.W.I.R.E.D
16:20	Krock	*Is
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16:23	microcarrot	hmm
16:25	microcarrot	hmm
16:26	microcarrot	https://mega.co.nz/#!aJUBEJTA!LyZdcbIUHcundV2zAyOxSgKDW_YJoUi2dZg0DHh98A4
16:26	microcarrot	^old mod of mine
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16:30	microcarrot	Calinou!
16:30	Calinou	hi
16:30	Calinou	microcarrot, hello zsoltisawesome.
16:30	* Calinou	gives zsoltisawesome a microcarrot
16:30	microcarrot	yum
16:32	PenguinDad	microcarrot: you forgot the sudo ;)
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16:32	microcarrot	lol
16:32	microcarrot	sudo yum
16:32	microcarrot	amazing: http://youtu.be/hubBBzh_190?t=1m31s
16:33	tuorwork	Megaf: hey, i installed it. (debian)
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16:34	microcarrot	oh my gosh
16:35	microcarrot	http://youtu.be/ZD3O6FFKowI?t=1m11s
16:42	Krock	omg hat the co
16:42	Krock	w
16:42	Krock	http://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?t=10s
16:46	microcarrot	Bump!
16:46	Krock	!Pmub
16:47	microcarrot	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=5305
16:47	Calinou	added modified no_guests to Carbone
16:47	Calinou	(disallows Guest, Admin and all-numeric names)
16:48	zsoltisawesome_	damn
16:48	Krock	Calinou, in hope to get servers with this? :3
16:48	zsoltisawesome_	that name
16:48	zsoltisawesome_	Car Bone
16:48	zsoltisawesome_	XD
16:49	Calinou	Krock, server administration should be powerful and fool -proof
16:49	Calinou	:P
16:49	Krock	john_minetest, srsly? :(
16:49	Calinou	john_minetest, play AssaultCube! it has GEMA!
16:49	Calinou	</AssaultCube jokes>
16:49	Calinou	(“gema” maps are maps where players must do trick jumping in order to finish)
16:49	Calinou	it's poorly regarded by the developers
16:49	Calinou	so they nerf stuff so that people don't do it, but thankfully, it still exists
16:49	Krock	Googl EM All
16:50	zsoltisawesome_	lol
16:51	Krock	zsoltisawesome_, which #moontest? there are over 9000 IRC servers
16:51	lordcirth	Krock, there is a #moontest here on freenode
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16:52	Krock	lordcirth, ik but it must be DAU compatible
16:52	Calinou	DAU?
16:52	asie	guys
16:52	asie	can I get an award?
16:52	asie	http://gfycat.com/PleasantSlowAnteater
16:52	Krock	"Dümmster Annzunehmender User" -> Dumbest Acceptable User
16:52	Krock	or whatever
16:53	lordcirth	asie, the wire disconnects when you hit it, did you make it unregister itself as a mesecons device?
16:53	asie	lordcirth: no, i use swap_node and mesecon:update_autoconnect
16:53	lordcirth	asie, I think it would work better to only stop the output
16:53	Krock	asie, how you do that?
16:53	asie	Krock: i made an API that lets you register gates
16:53	Krock	with gif-animations
16:53	asie	Krock: i use a screen recorder
16:53	zsoltisawesome_	Ah!
16:53	asie	then ffmpeg to convert to GIF, then gifsicle to optimize
16:53	asie	lordcirth: what do you mean?
16:54	Krock	chinese alert
16:54	zsoltisawesome_	hmm?
16:54	asie	what I do right now is swap_node, then I run update_autoconnect to update wire connection rendering, then I run the update function which sets the new state if it changed
16:55	asie	that's reasonably fast, uses publicly exposed Mesecons APIs and doesn't break anything
16:55	zsoltisawesome_	#asieissmart
16:57	asie	http://paste.ubuntu.com/7399764/
16:57	asie	this is how the API works for the developer
16:58	asie	the rest is taken care of automatically by the library
16:58	zsoltisawesome_	and? or? :P
16:59	asie	yes
16:59	asie	you can probably derive other examples from this
16:59	asie	you also get mesegates:get_input_rules(node) if you need it
16:59	Krock	asie, the master meseconer
17:00	asie	Krock: i just think mesecons_gates is /really/ horrible
17:00	asie	so i made a replacement that (a) is not horrible and (b) is easy to extend
17:00	asie	there are two steps in adding a new gate
17:00	Krock	ok
17:00	asie	1. create mesegates_[gate name]_on and mesegates_[gate name]_off.png
17:00	asie	which are transparent and overlayed on that gray square on top
17:00	asie	2. register_gate in your code
17:00	Krock	3. enjoy
17:01	Krock	that are 3 steps
17:01	asie	nah
17:01	asie	you needn't enjoy.
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17:01	Krock	3. don't enjoy. hate
17:01	Calinou	adding xban (and fixed it so that it feels like it's official)
17:02	* Krock	likes the windows-like server adress :D
17:02	* Krock	likes *.ntdll.*
17:02	asie	okay, uh, let me make a quick ZIP of what is mesegates right now
17:02	asie	for those of you who want to play with it now
17:02	asie	i'll make a github repo once i have more stuff done
17:03	PenguinDad	Krock: that *.wow64.* thing is windows too :P
17:03	Calinou	world of warcraft 64
17:03	Krock	PenguinDad, yes I already saw that WOW thingie...is it something like a emulator?
17:03	asie	(the meseblock.lua stuff is unrelated and part of a different tweak which makes P-NAND gates react to mese blocks as if it were an actual signal while not having meseblocks emit signal to wires; it's a part of my old sandbox game's energy system)
17:03	Krock	TL;DR
17:03	asie	http://asie.pl/mesegates.zip
17:03	asie	tl;dr ^
17:07	FreeFull	I think I'll download and test it
17:07	FreeFull	Any dependencies?
17:08	asie	FreeFull: mesecons.
17:08	asie	obviously.
17:08	asie	http://blog.asie.pl/2014/05/minetest-status-update-1/
17:08	asie	the code only adds a simple OR gate, though
17:08	FreeFull	Probably not much point to testing it then
17:08	asie	yeah
17:08	asie	i will put up a proper version tomorrow, likely
17:09	asie	with most of the useful gate types (or/and/xor/not/nand/nor/xnor and a bonus toggle latch)
17:09	VanessaE	asie: NAND is the most useful
17:09	VanessaE	XOR is considered to be equally so.
17:09	asie	VanessaE: All of them are useful if you don't want to bother making gigantic circuits
17:10	VanessaE	hah
17:10	VanessaE	I read "with" as "which"
17:10	asie	there will be 3 mods in the set, really
17:10	VanessaE	somehow I interpreted that as a question :)
17:10	asie	mesegates (core API), mesegates_default (the gates I mentioned) and mesegates_wirium (my own reimplementation of my old sandbox game's gate, the P-NAND)
17:11	Calinou	there, added xban
17:12	asie	i wanted to add coloured insulated cables but that might not happen after all
17:12	asie	it probably will, though, it's not that much of a pain to add
17:12	VanessaE	asie: already done.
17:12	asie	VanessaE: in?
17:12	VanessaE	nore made a mod that'll do that
17:12	asie	ooh
17:12	asie	good
17:12	VanessaE	look in the issues list, there's a pull there for extra wires that can be trimmed
17:13	VanessaE	making even 1-node-apart wires insulated from one another
17:13	asie	mesegates mainly needs to have "max_second_param" added
17:13	asie	that will add a rightclick-toggleable value
17:13	asie	that will be overlaid on top
17:13	asie	think, for instance, repeaters
17:13	VanessaE	well there *was* a pull
17:13	asie	with 4 speed configurations
17:13	VanessaE	where is it now...
17:13	Calinou	http://blog.asie.pl/2014/05/on-idealism/ → I'm going to rant on your rant ;)
17:13	asie	Calinou: haha
17:14	asie	someone already did
17:14	asie	and i ranted on their rant of my rant
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17:16	crazyR	is there a way to make my server use a paticular texture pack without overwriting existing ones
17:17	VanessaE	asie:  well I can't find the forum page for it but here's the repo:  https://github.com/Novatux/wires
17:17	VanessaE	100% compatible to mesecons
17:17	Calinou	asie, “Therefore, I might just end up modding Minetest with a small community of people who still play it.”. Who “stlll” play it sounds pretty negative here...
17:17	Calinou	it sounds like Minetest is abandoned
17:18	asie	Calinou: That's true
17:18	asie	I should edit that blog post
17:18	Calinou	it's getting more and more played, unlike Minecraft which has no proof of such (sales count doesn't increase much?)
17:18	VanessaE	asie: there's a "wire cutters" in there.  use it to trim the wires.  These wires can go everywhere.  on block sides, on ceilings, you name it, but they're buggy
17:18	asie	Calinou: Minecraft is less and less played
17:18	asie	but the community is giant
17:18	Calinou	I thought so
17:18	Calinou	yeah
17:19	asie	it's sad people are calling me a wimp for quitting
17:19	VanessaE	asie: once a connection between two neighboring wires is trimmed, the two wires are electrically insulated even if they don't appear to be.
17:19	Calinou	I support you on your move to Minetest though :) it's always a better idea to mod free software
17:19	Calinou	the Minecraft community is peculiar indeed ;)
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17:20	VanessaE	I'll second Calinou's support.  better to be here than with Minecraft :)
17:20	asie	Calinou: I fought for free software in the Minecraft community
17:20	asie	:P
17:20	asie	For months
17:20	asie	my greatest success is making people unaware of "default copyright" aware of it
17:21	asie	and making their mods formally open
17:21	asie	"Me moving to modding Minetest is not yet definite… I’m trying to look into the tools I have available - the Lua API isn’t bad, but I still wish I could move on and create my own game. The problem with that is I lack motivation. Therefore, I’ll just keep modding Minetest with their small, dedicated community of players and modders. It makes me feel a lot happier than engaging in weeks of drama just to get a modpack done, and then
17:21	asie	being told your modpack sucks and will never be playable just because its vision revolves not around gameplay, but around fairness."
17:21	Calinou	<asie> Calinou: I fought for free software in the Minecraft community
17:21	Calinou	this is like fighting for being vegetarian at a KFC
17:21	asie	http://blog.asie.pl/2014/04/on-open-source-modding/
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17:22	asie	this post changed quite a few people's opinions on free software modding
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17:22	Calinou	would be nice if more Minecraft texture packs were free, this is actually very rare
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17:23	Calinou	but anyway, it's not common to see a Minecraft modder moving to Minetest :)
17:23	Calinou	give it a few years, and we'll have an ex-Mojangsta here. ;)
17:23	asie	Calinou: The Painterly pack is permissive
17:23	asie	it's not offically free, but it gives out permissions like crazy
17:23	asie	a few mods have just taken textures from them
17:23	asie	I am considering talking to their team about it
17:24	Calinou	getting permission is one thing, ability to do things without asking is another
17:24	Calinou	(remember that “NC” and “ND” clauses are not free – the term “semi-free” also doesn't exist currently)
17:24	Calinou	I just read some pastebin you posted on your blog
17:25	Calinou	“[01:06] <Grum> also opensource doesnt mean 'flawless' -- remember heartbleed?”
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17:25	asie	Calinou: If not for OpenSSL being open-source
17:25	Calinou	that's desolating
17:25	asie	we wouldn't have known
17:25	asie	it was found literally by a bored Google engineer reading the code, IIRC
17:25	asie	and then Google told CloudFlare
17:25	CraigyDavi	hello everyone
17:25	Calinou	hey, this is Mojang were Dinnerbone defends obfuscation: “for performance reasons”
17:25	Calinou	(talked to him a few times about that)
17:25	asie	yeah
17:25	VanessaE	hi CraigyDavi
17:26	asie	Calinou: I am aware
17:26	asie	and I wanted to ask them to put it under an open license
17:26	VanessaE	Calinou: seriously? O_o
17:26	asie	my friend actually tried to coax me into making a paid Minetest server for the Polish Minecraft community
17:26	asie	but I refused
17:26	asie	ugh
17:26	asie	i'm making all of my mods free
17:26	asie	VanessaE: Seriously.
17:26	PenguinDad	asie: seriously!
17:27	asie	PenguinDad: Serious levels of seriously there
17:27	Calinou	“[01:35] <Grum> or at least something with a fucking shell on it >.>” → Windows has a shell, Mr. Grum
17:27	asie	also
17:27	asie	Grum literally said that a linear search over all tile entities in Minecraft is fine
17:27	Calinou	VanessaE, yeah, I don't have logs though
17:27	MinetestBot	GIT: maciej.kasatkino2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Move message about missing normal maps to infostream instead of errorstream. c80d67f48e 2014-05-05T19:25:18+02:00 http://git.io/wScTLA
17:27	asie	because *MOJANG* uses TEs sparingly
17:27	asie	and *only* Mojang does so
17:27	Calinou	he used to be in #minecraft channels, like other Mojangstas
17:28	asie	yes
17:28	asie	then they moved to #mojang
17:28	asie	it was an insider channel back in 2010-2011
17:28	asie	i belonged there
17:28	asie	had some nice talks with jeb
17:28	Calinou	#mojang          1       To claim this channel as an official member of mojang, please leave me a memo via memoserv.
17:28	asie	no, on EsperNet
17:28	asie	i would actually go as far to say as jeb is one of the sanest people at Mojang
17:28	asie	he's also the only one adding new features to Minecraft per Grum's words
17:28	Calinou	I indirectly suggested something to jeb_ (someone else did it for me), it got in the game
17:28	asie	yes
17:29	asie	jeb is really a sane and nice guy, shame the other guys ruin it for him and that he spends most of his time on Minecraft PE
17:29	Calinou	it was nice, but that particular feature was removed in 12
17:29	Calinou	it was seed visibily in debug screen
17:29	Calinou	1.2*
17:29	Calinou	:P
17:29	asie	they removed it due to server owner complaints IIRC
17:29	Calinou	yeah
17:29	Calinou	I have yet to see xrayers on Minetest 8)
17:29	asie	I have yet to see quarries on Minetest
17:29	asie	and, frankly, quarries in Minetest scare me
17:29	Calinou	used to be possible with minetest.conf setting (invisible_stone = true), but no longer since 0.4
17:29	Calinou	I've done quarry mining a bit, but that's inefficient
17:29	asie	no
17:30	asie	i mean in minetest
17:30	Calinou	doing a real branch mine is way better
17:30	lordcirth	asie, technic is working hard on automated quarries :)
17:30	asie	infinite height
17:30	asie	and quarries
17:30	Calinou	a quarry that goes to -31000? ah, never ;)
17:30	asie	and... infinite height
17:30	asie	and quarries!
17:30	* Calinou	continues reading log
17:31	Calinou	Grum blunders and blunders, every minute
17:31	asie	Grum is an idealist
17:31	asie	like me
17:31	asie	only his ideals are different
17:31	asie	he believes in, hm, a cathedral
17:31	Calinou	he sounds very negative
17:31	asie	and I believe in a bazaar
17:31	asie	if you get the analogy
17:31	Calinou	it's not even believing in a cathedral at this point
17:31	Calinou	it's Mojang-powered stupidity like I've already seen
17:32	Calinou	let's not argue too much about it though; it's not worth it and I'd rather develop stuff in Carbone a bit
17:32	asie	Yeah
17:32	asie	I'm working on asietest_game, slowly
17:32	Calinou	I had a weird hoverboard idea
17:32	asie	the gates are an addon because I won't really use them; my game is going to be powered by my old sandbox game's wire system
17:32	asie	but I abstracted it out to (a) clean up the code and (b) give the community something many always wanted
17:32	asie	it's probably going to end up in technic very soon, too
17:32	asie	i also plan to add bundled cables, eventually... if i figure out how
17:32	Calinou	giving stuff the community wants is a good thing, but you should think by yourself too
17:33	Calinou	this is how I design my mods :p
17:33	Calinou	cool stuff, but it tries to be useful at the same time
17:33	asie	yes, i did both
17:33	asie	that's why mesegates is an API
17:33	asie	there will be two reference implementations
17:33	whiskers75	Calinou: ohai
17:33	asie	one that mimics RP2 (many gates) and one that mimics my old sandbox game (one versalite gate)
17:33	Calinou	More Blocks was quite bad initially, now it's much better thanks to many rewrites by community people
17:34	whiskers75	Calinou: add technic to carbone?
17:34	asie	\
17:34	asie	\
17:34	asie	whoops
17:34	asie	also, one thing nice about mesegates - it only registers the possible connection/on/off combinations
17:34	Calinou	moreblocks is only 1439 lines of code
17:34	asie	mesegates is only 130 for the API alone
17:34	Calinou	(TIL how to measure line count in a directory: wc *)
17:34	asie	roughly
17:34	Calinou	whiskers75, too complex
17:34	asie	also yeah that's why i'm not adding technic either
17:35	Calinou	it's also not much of an use for most people
17:35	asie	i am adding pipeworks but for items only
17:35	asie	\]
17:35	asie	ugh
17:35	Calinou	you can it by yourself, the point of Carbone is not to make modding useless :)
17:35	Calinou	you can add it*
17:35	asie	the point of my game is to create an enjoyable gameplay experience
17:35	asie	trying to have a bit of everything
17:35	Calinou	me too, but complex/slow/heavy/uncommon stuff stays in the modding area
17:35	asie	so, if you can't understand it in 15 seconds, it's not in your pack? :P
17:36	whiskers75	Calinou: add mesecons
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17:36	Calinou	asie, yeah, quite a bit
17:36	Calinou	whiskers75, same reason: too complex and slow
17:36	whiskers75	>mesecons
17:36	whiskers75	>complex
17:36	asie	Calinou: do what I did and add a tiny bit of mesecons
17:36	whiskers75	>slow
17:36	Calinou	mesecon bugs can have dramatic consequences, too :P
17:36	asie	I removed about 1/4th of the mod for my pack
17:36	whiskers75	yeah
17:36	Calinou	I'd be OK with a tiny bit of mesecons (buttons/levers to open doors, with wires)
17:36	whiskers75	you don't need the MCUs
17:36	Calinou	but nothing more
17:36	asie	Calinou: mesecons is very modular
17:36	whiskers75	Calinou: Id like that too
17:36	asie	just take mesecons and mesecons_walllevers
17:36	Calinou	I'd probably need hours to implement that
17:37	asie	and mesecons_button
17:37	asie	like this! https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/
17:37	asie	also mesegates [/shameless_selfinsert]
17:37	Calinou	command block is very useful, but error-prone :/
17:37	whiskers75	don't use it then
17:37	Calinou	if it's only usable by admins, then it's fine
17:37	asie	Calinou: them remove it
17:37	asie	that's how mesecons works
17:38	Calinou	(I think by default that only admins can use them anyway)
17:38	asie	(yes)
17:38	Calinou	I'll look a bit at mesecons
17:38	crazyR	ive never been able to get command blcoks to work
17:38	asie	well
17:38	asie	mesecons alone adds wires
17:38	asie	then each part adds the thing that's after the _
17:38	asie	some less obvious ones: _compatibility adds support for doors, _extrawires adds insulated wires
17:38	crazyR	when ever set the command it keeps telling me its still unconfigured
17:39	asie	_powerplant is actually just a constant 1, _blinkyplant is a timer, _solarpanel is a daylight sensor and _hydroturbine is a water sensor
17:39	asie	that's about it from the confusing stuff
17:39	Calinou	oh, moreblocks is more than 1439 lines of code, I forgot sub-directories
17:40	Calinou	I'm fine with most sensors
17:40	Calinou	what I don't want is potential slowness
17:40	asie	mesecons is rather well-written
17:40	asie	at least the wires
17:40	asie	and my gates try to be optimized to cause little lag as well
17:40	Calinou	are pistons slow?
17:40	asie	no, but moveblocks are quite buggy
17:41	Calinou	what's the different between microcontroller and luacontroller?
17:41	crazyR	asie any alternative ideas for a blinky plant with less lag?
17:41	asie	microcontroller has a custom language
17:41	asie	crazyR: i will be working on a timer gate, likely
17:42	asie	Calinou: from what i heard about your design plans, don't use either controller
17:42	Calinou	so if I want faster mesecons, I remove movestones, blinkyplants and controller stuff?
17:42	asie	Calinou: I think you should think in terms of what you want and not what you don't want
17:42	asie	player detectors are probably rather laggy, for instance
17:42	Calinou	I'll rename the directories to .<modname> so that they can be enabled easily
17:42	Calinou	OK
17:42	crazyR	blinkyplants are a huge lag cause. but without them alot of automated machines wont be possible, without messing with gates
17:42	Calinou	(keep the files, but as dotfiles, since they aren't loaded)
17:42	asie	IMO you want mesecons, mesecons_pistons, mesecons_mvps (required API for pistons), mesecons_button, mesecons_walllever, mesecons_powerplant and when I'm done mesegates
17:43	asie	and perhaps things like mesecons_solarpanel
17:43	Calinou	mesecons_torch looks useful too
17:43	Calinou	(toggleable torches, IIRC)
17:43	asie	i think it's a redstone torch reimplementation
17:43	CraigyDavi	Ermmm someone seems to have made it look like they have 514 players online when they only have 14 players online.
17:43	Calinou	these torches are gray or white
17:43	Calinou	looks like a light source
17:43	CraigyDavi	They are the top of servers.minetest.net
17:43	Calinou	CraigyDavi, yeah, being dealt with
17:44	Calinou	(but not so quickly)
17:44	Calinou	master ban is a possible solution...
17:44	Calinou	if they refuse to not fake their player counts, make them not able to announce
17:44	Calinou	or having a bot that scans player counts (but would cause chat spam and useless bandwidth usage)
17:44	CraigyDavi	Ah I never knew you could ban people from the server list
17:44	Calinou	you can't
17:45	Calinou	this was a suggestion :P
17:45	CraigyDavi	Oh
17:45	Calinou	some other games allow doing that, like Sauerbraten or Red Eclipse: these go further, because a player can be banned from all servers which appear on the list and some people have privileges everywhere
17:45	Calinou	I don't agree much with the latter, because you're not allowed to opt-out (at least in these two games)
17:46	zsoltisawesome_	Calinou: how is Red Ecplise?
17:46	markveidemanis	zsoltisawesome_, Is ZNC not working?
17:47	zsoltisawesome_	i can connect to other IRC server with this client without writing a JS plugin
17:47	Calinou	what is the difference between mesecon switch and mesecon lever, asie?
17:47	zsoltisawesome_	:P
17:47	Calinou	other than cosmetics
17:47	asie	Calinou: I think none :P
17:47	Calinou	zsoltisawesome_, http://redeclipse.net
17:47	Calinou	so I'll remove switch then
17:47	Calinou	it's uglier :p
17:47	Calinou	(well, I'll think this about this one, actually)
17:47	Calinou	having a full node as a switch can have some use
17:48	asie	okay, added the 7 main gates as well as a diode
17:48	asie	now i just need to make textures for them in a sec
17:48	Calinou	luacontroller, movestones, noteblock, microcontroller, detector, blinkyplant disabled
17:48	Calinou	whiskers75, anyway, I'm still unlikely to add technic because it makes the game too complex
17:48	Calinou	basic mesecon functionality is nice and can do nice things
17:49	Calinou	Mesecon wires make for good christmas decoration ;)
17:49	asie	disable lamp and lightstone as they're very ugly, same for gates
17:49	asie	as i'm almost done with a superior version of gates
17:49	asie	and will work on a superior version of lamp :)
17:49	Calinou	I could come with a better texture, but let me see for now
17:49	asie	for lamp, i will be using RedLogic's textures
17:50	asie	they're free textures and free as in freedom
17:50	asie	(RedLogic is a FOSS clone of RP2 Wiring/Logic)
17:50	asie	i will also add an option to support unifieddyes for lamps because why not
17:53	Calinou	I thought Mesecon code was more complicated than that.
17:54	asie	it's really rather simple
17:56	zsoltisawesome_	Calinou: you should look before you assume
17:57	asie	i'm halfway through doing the gate textures
18:01	Calinou	There are 2000 registered nodes, items and tools.
18:01	Calinou	:D
18:01	asie	okay, i finished adding the basic gates
18:03	Krock	Calinou, for i = 0, 9999 do minetest.registered_nodes["mod:test_"..i] = LOL :)
18:04	asie	http://i.imgur.com/EL243BP.png
18:04	asie	how does that look?
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18:05	Krock	looks like a soundcard memory overflow
18:05	asie	;_;
18:05	asie	possibly
18:06	Krock	and..it's dirty
18:06	Calinou	I'd like an improvement of the /give command which scans all mods and tries to /give an item of that mod
18:06	VanessaE	Calinou: only 2000?  you got a ways to go to meet up with Dreambuilder ;)
18:06	Calinou	to make specfying a modname useless
18:06	Calinou	(= much faster to do /give commands)
18:06	Calinou	(alias abuse lengthens load time)
18:07	Calinou	and they need to be kept up to date
18:07	Krock	Calinou, how about unified_inventory with /grant creative?
18:07	Krock	no need to chat then
18:07	Calinou	unified_inventory is complex and ugly :'(
18:07	VanessaE	Calinou: oh I'm reminded:  check your groups settings on the admin pick (with drops), there's still some stuff it doesn't instantly dig, unknown nodes being one of them
18:07	Calinou	also, creative doesn't have items which are not shown in the inventory
18:07	VanessaE	er dig properties.  whatever it's called for tools
18:08	Calinou	VanessaE, I don't think it's possible to make unknown node digging instant with the “drops” one
18:08	Calinou	I think the time is enforced for all tools...
18:08	VanessaE	there are a few other nodes I've noticed that behave this way also, but I can't remember what they are now
18:12	asie	http://i.imgur.com/CJxteJY.png
18:13	asie	made the output/input sides a tad more visible
18:14	* sfan5	throws a kitten at PilzAdam
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18:16	* microcarrot	throws an orange at sfan5
18:17	Calinou	add some noise and shading to the top
18:17	* sfan5	flips microcarrot
18:17	Calinou	(well, on all sides)
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18:18	* Calinou	gives sfan5 a luacarrot
18:18	Calinou	*** Server shutting down
18:18	* sfan5	noms it
18:18	Calinou	</luacontroller jokes>
18:21	VanessaE	hm, anyone else having a problem with the front-side texture on the wield for shared, locked furnace?
18:21	VanessaE	(it's ok in-world but in-hand and in-inventory, the front shows a distorted, scaled-down image of the animated furnace front)
18:21	Calinou	default_furnace_lock.png and default_furnace_lock_active.png
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18:21	Calinou	textures used in Carbone for locked furnace ^
18:22	Calinou	there are no locked furnaces in the default game
18:23	VanessaE	hm I take it back, doesn't work in-world either
18:23	VanessaE	(I didn't turn it "on" before)
18:23	VanessaE	I'm referring to Sokomine's Locks mod btw
18:23	Calinou	ah
18:23	Calinou	anyway, you could add HDX textures for my furnaces :p
18:24	Calinou	it probably requires just a copy + rename
18:24	VanessaE	what's the new names for yours?
18:24	VanessaE	or as above?
18:24	VanessaE	(sokomine's mod doesn't require explicit HDX support)
18:25	asie	https://github.com/asiekierka/mesegates
18:25	asie	and it's finally up!
18:25	CraigyDavi	I seem to have convinced the owner of the server which had 500 players to fix the problem.
18:25	asie	https://github.com/asiekierka/mesegates/blob/master/mesegates/init.lua <- this is the API
18:25	VanessaE	this is an OOOLLLLLLLDDDD bug in the engine, it's not properly handling the case of overlaying a static one-frame image on top of an animation
18:27	VanessaE	(it's using the pipeworks API to overlay the tube "entry fitting" image onto the front of the furnace)
18:28	VanessaE	(this doesn't work with animations because of that engine bug  I didn't do this with default furnaces because it looks wrong)
18:31	asie	that gate system is just so much fun
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18:34	asie	is it time to make a forum thread yet?
18:35	nore	VanessaE, btw: there is no forum thread for my wires mod...
18:36	VanessaE	you should make one :)
18:37	nore	I don't think it is important enough for that (as is my computer mod...)
18:37	asie	the wires mod? it is far superior to the insulated wires we have now . . .
18:38	nore	I might do some big mesecons-like mod someday... (maybe I should do something with asie?)
18:38	nore	asie, thanks
18:38	asie	nore: i am committed to keeping mesecons compatibility
18:38	asie	but the mesecons API is fairly good and high-level
18:38	nore	that's a good idea
18:38	asie	so it can be replaced while keeping mods compatible
18:38	nore	mesecons compatibility is always something important to keep in mind
18:39	asie	mesegates is a first step... tomorrow i will use the third digit i have left in the gate definition
18:39	nore	which is?
18:39	Calinou	VanessaE, I just told them
18:39	asie	right now it's forced to 0
18:39	asie	but later it will store information for those things which need visible visual output of their setup
18:39	asie	such as repeaters
18:39	Calinou	default_furnace_lock.png
18:39	Calinou	default_furnace_lock_active.png (can be animated)
18:39	asie	and... mostly repeaters
18:39	asie	maybe counters, too
18:39	VanessaE	Calinou: oh derp
18:40	VanessaE	Calinou: send me a forum PM and I'll get on those a bit later on
18:41	Calinou	<asie> is it time to make a forum thread yet?
18:41	Calinou	yeah, you can
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18:47	zsoltisawesome	Mega F
18:47	Megaf	Me
18:48	zsoltisawesome	Yes
18:49	Krock	YOU
18:49	* Calinou	renames Megaf to Tinyf
18:49	zsoltisawesome	*Nanof
18:50	zsoltisawesome	what the hell happened to Zeg9?
18:50	* Krock	renames Megaf to Yougaf
18:50	Megaf	heh
18:51	Megaf	There you go
18:51	Krock	zsoltisnotawesome, what happened?
18:54	Krock	zsoltisnotawesome!
18:54	Krock	hey!
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18:55	Megaf	ho!
18:55	zsoltisawesome	http://a.veryviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/funny-chinese-sign-translation-fails-10.jpg
18:55	zsoltisawesome	lol
18:57	CraigyDavi	haha
18:58	zsoltisawesome	yes
18:58	zsoltisawesome	http://a.veryviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/O4uPYfj.jpg
18:59	CraigyDavi	Tiny grass is dreaming? Whaaaa
19:00	zsoltisawesome	kik
19:00	Krock	kik
19:00	Krock	lol
19:01	Krock	http://a.veryviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/SO1v2TK.jpg
19:01	Krock	xd
19:02	CraigyDavi	o_O
19:02	Amaz_	Interesting...
19:02	Calinou	veryviral.com is from pastebin.com
19:02	zsoltisawesome	yes
19:02	* Calinou	is now using LevelDB for his singleplayer worlds
19:02	Krock	really?
19:03	* sfan5	meows at Calinou
19:03	Calinou	it feels the same
19:03	Krock	Calinou, nice privilege
19:03	Calinou	(I didn't migrate, so old stuff is gone :P)
19:03	Calinou	(there was almost nothing in the world)
19:03	Krock	#sfan5'sbuildsarecorrupted
19:03	Calinou	but the few torches I placed were gone
19:03	sfan5	Krock: don't use Windows XP, problem solved
19:03	sfan5	you can also try to download a random leveldb dll from the internet and see if it works
19:03	Krock	sfan5, err... my server is running on vista and can reproduce it too
19:04	sfan5	then don't use windows
19:04	* Krock	haddesks
19:04	* Krock	headdesks
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19:04	* PenguinDad	slaps Krock with Debian
19:04	Krock	again?
19:04	Calinou	gotta love cave entrances in Minetest
19:05	Calinou	the mix of grass and stone going down looks so scary, when you think about the potential mobs
19:05	Calinou	but you still know you're supposedly safe above -15 ;)
19:05	Krock	sfan5, why do you privide win32 builds if you don't like windows? /justinterest
19:05	Krock	*provide
19:06	sfan5	because many people use windows
19:06	Calinou	it's an useful service
19:06	sfan5	and with buildbot.sh it is just ./buildmtwin32.sh & ./buildmtwin64.sh for me
19:06	Krock	ok.
19:06	Megaf	sfan5: That easy?
19:06	sfan5	yes
19:06	sfan5	it even uploads it for me
19:07	Jordach	Calinou, worse
19:07	Megaf	sfan5: And what about requisites? (I dont know how to spell that)
19:07	Jordach	mobs now have greater than player health and do like 4x the damage they used to do
19:07	Calinou	lots of libraries have to be installed by hand
19:07	Calinou	Jordach, yeah, to take armour and eating into account
19:07	sfan5	Megaf: they are automatically downloaded if not alread present
19:07	Jordach	Calinou, BFD has 0 ARMOUR.
19:07	Calinou	and bows
19:07	zsoltisawesome	that sucks
19:08	Krock	ahah http://a.veryviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ep3gv.jpg
19:08	Jordach	Calinou, i did steal your bows
19:08	Jordach	s/steal/borrow/
19:08	Jordach	gah
19:08	zsoltisawesome	You know what else BFD is missing?
19:08	sfan5	kittens
19:08	Krock	^
19:08	zsoltisawesome	^
19:08	Jordach	this updated realtek driver is shit
19:08	Krock	^
19:09	zsoltisawesome	^
19:09	PenguinDad	Kittens!
19:09	Krock	^
19:09		Krock was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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19:09	zsoltisawesome	^
19:09		zsoltisawesome was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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19:09	Krock	LOL
19:09	PenguinDad	^
19:09	zsoltisawesome	indeed
19:09	zsoltisawesome	^
19:09	Krock	^ exactly
19:09	PenguinDad	^ for sure
19:09	Krock	^yeah
19:09	sfan5	Krock, zsoltisawesome: auto-rejoin can get you banned quickly in many channels, I'd advise you to turn it off
19:09	Krock	sfan5, we know.
19:10	zsoltisawesome	yes
19:10	Krock	But I can't turn off this feature
19:10	sfan5	lolwut
19:10	sfan5	you can
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19:10	zsoltisawesome	get a different client
19:10	sfan5	I guarantee you
19:10	Krock	wait
19:10	sfan5	or do that..
19:10	Krock	I done it
19:10	* sfan5	meows at asie
19:10	PenguinDad	Krock: use a better client
19:10	Jordach	hey asie
19:10	* sfan5	curls up to Jordach's lap
19:10	* Jordach	purrs
19:10	* asie	nyans at sfan5
19:10	* sfan5	meows
19:10	Krock	sfan5, after I had a german overwied it sudednly appeared..lol
19:10	Krock	*overview
19:11	* sfan5	throws 猫 formed cake at asie
19:12	* PenguinDad	squawks at asie
19:12	jordan4ibanez	If only C55 were here.
19:12	jordan4ibanez	http://youtu.be/EIgzfiFOTwY
19:12	sfan5	zsoltisawesome:
19:12	sfan5	* microcarrot has quit (Quit: アイ アム Zsolt)
19:12	sfan5	this is not how katakana work
19:12	zsoltisawesome	you but dots
19:12	zsoltisawesome	*put
19:12	sfan5	you cannot translate whole english sentences into katakna
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19:12	sfan5	katakana*
19:13	sfan5	katakana is for single words
19:13	sfan5	!title
19:13	MinetestBot	sfan5: Best of finnish rally crashes 2013 by JPeltsi - YouTube
19:13	zsoltisawesome	whatr?
19:13	Jordach_	thank you AMD for fucking with my Realtek drivers
19:13	Megaf	Jordach_: what?
19:13	Megaf	How?
19:13	sfan5	zsoltisawesome: short answer: "アイ アム Zsolt" is random gibberish because it does not work like that
19:14	Megaf	~title
19:14	ShadowBot	Megaf: Best of finnish rally crashes 2013 by JPeltsi - YouTube
19:14	sfan5	Megaf: y u no trust MinetestBot?
19:14	zsoltisawesome	https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4%20%E3%82%A2%E3%83%A0%20Zsolt
19:14	Krock	its ignore list is too long
19:14	Megaf	Just in case
19:15	sfan5	zsoltisawesome: that means nothing
19:15	zsoltisawesome	meh
19:15	Megaf	!title
19:15	MinetestBot	Megaf: Google Translate
19:15	Megaf	~title
19:16	ShadowBot	Megaf: Google Translate
19:16	zsoltisawesome	you idiot
19:16	Megaf	YOu don't say
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19:16	zsoltisawesome	Jordach!
19:16	sfan5	katakana is used for nouns, you can't simply put english sentences into katakana (you can, but it makes no sense)
19:16	Megaf	Jordach: Hi, What's going on with your drivers?
19:16	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
19:16	sfan5	damnit
19:17	sfan5	I think Jordach should stop using windows
19:17	zsoltisawesome	lol
19:17	zsoltisawesome	I think you should start using Windows
19:17	sfan5	no u
19:17	* Megaf	thinks windows is the best thing eva!
19:17	* sfan5	slaps Megaf
19:17	* lordcirth	slaps Megaf harder
19:18	* zsoltisawesome	slaps sfan5 for slaping Megaf
19:18	* Megaf	thinks windows is the best thing eva! I made much money fixing windows computers
19:18	lordcirth	rofl
19:18	* sfan5	purrs at Megaf
19:18	* zsoltisawesome	slaps lordcirth for slaping Megaf
19:18	* sfan5	flips zsoltisawesome
19:18	Megaf	and in some of them I installed Debian
19:18	* lordcirth	slaps everybody for no particular reason
19:18	* zsoltisawesome	slaps sfan5 for slaping him
19:18	Megaf	That includes my girlfriends laptop and my grandmas desktop
19:18	* zsoltisawesome	defends
19:19	Megaf	Ok, enough of slaping
19:19	zsoltisawesome	Megaf: Are you CRAZY?!?!
19:19	* sfan5	flips zsoltisawesome
19:19	zsoltisawesome	Debian!?!?!
19:19	sfan5	:O
19:19	Megaf	yep
19:19	Megaf	whats the problem?
19:19	Megaf	It just works
19:19	sfan5	someone actually made an android port and published the source: https://github.com/gameabc/worldcraft
19:19	zsoltisawesome	O:
19:20	PenguinDad	much free, very port, wow
19:20	lordcirth	Megaf, debian with gnome 3?
19:20	zsoltisawesome	we have been wasting our time?
19:20	Megaf	lordcirth: indeed
19:20	zsoltisawesome	gnome 3 is better than Unity
19:20	zsoltisawesome	:X
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19:21	* Megaf	agrees with zsoltisawesome
19:21	Amaz_	sfan5: Is that a first?!
19:21	Megaf	Countdown for Jordach timeout
19:21	Megaf	30
19:21	Jordach	nope.avi
19:21	Amaz_	I mean the source code being published by a non community member.
19:21	* sfan5	curls up to Jordach's lap
19:21	* lordcirth	doesn't like Unity or Gnome Shell very much
19:22	Jordach	Megaf, i updated my audio drivers via AMD and it fucked up the amplified audio settings
19:22	Megaf	lordcirth: GNOME 3 is actually quite cool for the end user
19:22	Megaf	Jordach: if you have a realtek thing, use realtek drivers
19:22	lordcirth	Megaf, I like Pinguy and Trisquel's Gnome 3 configs
19:22	Jordach	and that explains everythig
19:22	Megaf	lordcirth: end http://extensions.gnome.org are pretty neat
19:23	Jordach	headset was in the wrong fucking mode
19:23	lordcirth	But I really don't get Debian's default version
19:23	Megaf	Jordach: you should be timing out by now
19:23	Megaf	congrats
19:23	Jordach	Megaf, nope
19:23	Megaf	16:22 < Jordach> and that explains everythig
19:23	Megaf	so, not actually AMDs fault?
19:24	Megaf	16:23 < Jordach> headset was in the wrong fucking mode
19:24	Megaf	!title
19:24	MinetestBot	Megaf: GNOME Shell Extensions
19:25	Jordach	sfan5, attempt to compile worldcraft
19:25	Calinou	sfan5, no license.
19:26	Calinou	this is a minefield, be careful
19:26	Calinou	also they're all new: https://github.com/gameabc
19:26	sfan5	Calinou: they say on their google play page LGPL; you can't use a DMCA against them now
19:26	sfan5	Jordach: no u
19:26	Calinou	they should still add it to GitHub repo
19:26	Jordach	sfan5, 1) not Linux based
19:26	sfan5	Jordach, cygwin
19:26	Jordach	2) find me a CD-R and i'll install fuckin Debian#
19:27	Jordach	3) I'll have a quick look :O
19:27	sfan5	go to <nearest supermarket>, they have some
19:27	lordcirth	Jordach, you don't have a USB, or Virtualbox?
19:27	Megaf	There are several worldcraft games on google play
19:27	harrison	Some users may experience seizures.
19:27	zsoltisawesome	lol
19:28	zsoltisawesome	"some users will experience chronic headdesking"
19:28	zsoltisawesome	:P
19:29	harrison	Signs of withdrawal include minor laziness, mild depression, nightmares, and slight tremor.
19:29	PenguinDad	more users experienced seizures while trying to install gentoo :P
19:29	zsoltisawesome	haha
19:29	harrison	step right up ladies and gentoos!
19:29	zsoltisawesome	i installed gentooX on my X-Box
19:30	zsoltisawesome	no seizure
19:30	zsoltisawesome	XD
19:30	Megaf	Jordach: I could be your guide to the Linux world if you are interested
19:30	Jordach	pfft
19:31	* PenguinDad	gives Megaf a cookie
19:31	sfan5	Jordach: <sfan5>30 go to <nearest supermarket>, they have some
19:31	* zsoltisawesome	wants a cookie
19:31	sfan5	also: linux mint is way nicer than debian
19:31	* Megaf	takes a cooke
19:31	* sfan5	taps zsoltisawesome
19:31	Megaf	hm, delicious
19:31	* sfan5	goes find cookies
19:31	* zsoltisawesome	asks why he got tapped
19:32	zsoltisawesome	by sfan5
19:32	sfan5	because にゃん
19:33	sfan5	*irc stats updated*
19:33	zsoltisawesome	:(
19:33	zsoltisawesome	nyan is haunting me
19:33	Jordach	let's hope this works :)
19:33	Jordach	(found a flash drive, totally forgot i have flash pens now)
19:34	sfan5	18MinetestBot638743453321583262today"john_minetest: yeah, sure, whatever"
19:34	zsoltisawesome	lol
19:34	sfan5	Jordach: hao mani GBz?
19:34	Jordach	\o/ open source bootable flash pen maker
19:34	Jordach	http://rufus.akeo.ie/
19:34	* sfan5	hopes Jordach understands broken english
19:34	Jordach	sfan5, 2gb iso is ~1gb
19:35	zsoltisawesome	ireland?
19:35	sfan5	Jordach: take a look at win32diskimager
19:35	Megaf	16:31 < sfan5> also: linux mint is way nicer than debian
19:35	Megaf	There's a Debian based Linux Mint :)
19:35	Calinou	I've never tried Rufus, but it looks good
19:35	Calinou	Linux Bint.
19:35	Calinou	really: use an /official/ Ubuntu derivative
19:36	Calinou	Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Xubuntu all welcome you arms open
19:36	Megaf	Any Irish here?
19:36	* sfan5	throws Xubuntu at Calinou
19:36	Calinou	yeah
19:36	Calinou	Linux Mint has tons of issues
19:36	Jordach	interesting fact: this flash pen went through the wash so it probably won't last
19:36	zsoltisawesome	Calinou: YOU have tons of issues
19:36	sfan5	>sfan5 can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 19 times.
19:36	Megaf	Calinou: what do you expect from something that is based on Ubuntu?
19:36	sfan5	>sfan5 seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 19 times.
19:36	sfan5	19,19 :D
19:36	zsoltisawesome	lol
19:36	* Jordach	slaps sfan5
19:36	Jordach	nope.avi
19:36	* sfan5	slaps Jordach
19:36	Jordach	not anymore.
19:36	* Jordach	slaps sfan5
19:36	sfan5	:D
19:36	* sfan5	slaps Jordach
19:37	Jordach	everyone slap sfan5
19:37	zsoltisawesome	21,21
19:37	* Megaf	grab popcorn
19:37	Jordach	bbl
19:37	* PenguinDad	slaps sfan5
19:37	* sfan5	slaps PenguinDad
19:37	* zsoltisawesome	slaps Megaf
19:37	* CraigyDavi	slaps CraigyDavi
19:37	* zsoltisawesome	slaps PenguinDad
19:37	* sfan5	meows
19:37	* PenguinDad	slaps zsoltisawesome
19:37	* zsoltisawesome	slaps CraigyDavi
19:37		zsoltisawesome was kicked by ShadowBot: Slap flood detected.
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19:37	PenguinDad	:D
19:37	* CraigyDavi	slaps zsoltisawesome
19:38	Calinou	gotta like Rufus developer's stance on donation
19:38	zsoltisawesome	what?
19:38	* Megaf	slaps ShadowBot
19:38	Megaf	Whos your god now?
19:38	Megaf	where is he?
19:38	Megaf	pff
19:38	* Megaf	hides
19:39	* zsoltisawesome	unhides Megaf
19:40	Megaf	lol, I can only look to the sky in buildcraft
19:40	jin_xi	so, painting mod v1.0 soon to be ready i think
19:40	Megaf	cant move "camera"
19:41	jin_xi	http://i.imgur.com/eAynyoN.png examples of 16x paintings
19:41	Calinou	meh, 16× paintings are ugly
19:41	Calinou	(generally)
19:41	Calinou	oh, this is the mod where you paint those by yourself
19:41	Calinou	then they're nice :D
19:41	jin_xi	bigger ones are hard to do
19:41	jin_xi	it goes to 64x tho
19:42	jin_xi	but needs a lot of patience
19:42	Megaf	jin_xi: well done
19:42	Megaf	jin_xi: you would like my pixel art server
19:42	Megaf	Im making a Sonic at the moment
19:42	jin_xi	so i wonder what to add to it. maybe a photocopier so you can have multiple copies of paintings
19:43	jin_xi	or some sort of enlarging thingy to make it easier to do the bigger canvases by scaling up
19:43	Calinou	“On the first day, Megaf built a Sonic. On the second day, Megaf built a Megaman. On the third party, Megaf built a pony. That's it: he did the same thing as dozens of Minetest players.“
19:43	Calinou	third day*
19:43	Calinou	lol “third party”
19:43	zsoltisawesome	lol
19:43	PenguinDad	plol
19:43	zsoltisawesome	pplol
19:44	Megaf	Calinou: What should I build then, a Tux?
19:44	Megaf	And BTW, that's actually a neat idea
19:44	Tux[Qyou]	most likely
19:44	Tux[Qyou]	don't you think, calinou
19:45	Calinou	build a Tux[Qyou] indeed.
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19:47	PenguinDad	The Tux
19:47	Megaf	The Penguin
19:47	Megaf	Much bird
19:48	PenguinDad	many water
19:48	Megaf	very ice
19:49	PenguinDad	wow
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19:49	asie	license choices again
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19:50	asie	i wanted to pick MIT like I usually do but then I heard this caused problems over here in the past
19:50	zsoltisawesome	will somebody host a moontest server?
19:50	zsoltisawesome	use LGPL, thats what i usually use
19:50	zsoltisawesome	or WTFPL
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19:50	asie	I'd rather use MIT than WTFPL
19:50	PenguinDad	how would MIT cause problems?
19:50	asie	PenguinDad: I heard someone wanted to sell Minetest over here
19:50	* Megaf	has its own license
19:51	Megaf	but I dont remember it
19:51	EvergreenTree	WTFPL is barely a license.  It just means people can do whatever the f*ck they want with it
19:51	PenguinDad	asie: how about zlib/libpng?
19:51	EvergreenTree	I would rather use CC0 if I wanted that
19:51	asie	zlib is nice
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19:52	zsoltisawesome	EvergreenTree: been proved in court :P
19:52	EvergreenTree	What has been proved in court?
19:52	EvergreenTree	You can use whatever license you want.  I would just prefer to use CC0 if I don't care how it's used
19:53	zsoltisawesome	https://mediacru.sh/rIbMAsGDPfYW
19:53	PenguinDad	"what the fuck you want" isn't defined in german law :(
19:53	zsoltisawesome	ore! finally!
19:53	zsoltisawesome	lol
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19:55	Calinou	hahaha I just made hoverboards
19:55	Calinou	like boats, but work everywhere
19:55	Calinou	can't go upwards though
19:55	Megaf	Just like hoverboard
19:56	PenguinDad	make a DeLorean ;)
19:56	Megaf	PenguinDad: hm, using it would involve a rollback
19:56	Megaf	may be dangerous
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19:57	Megaf	Jordach: welcome bek
19:58	Calinou	it'll be a flying thing probably, however
19:58	Megaf	Can't you make it hover a little higher?
19:58	Jordach	Megaf, tried a distro i downloaded last night, turned out to be quite shit for my needs, despite looking amazing
19:59	VanessaE	Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512/commit/ad439efea7fb475bd99f7f0d26a5eeb728621fc5
19:59	Amaz_	Jordach, what was it called?
19:59	PenguinDad	Jordach: which one?
19:59	Megaf	Jordach: perhaps you'd like Ubuntu Studio
19:59	Jordach	one that went MIA a while back
19:59	Megaf	but get ready for bugs
19:59	Jordach	fuck it: stock Ubuntu
19:59	asie	https://forum.minetest.net/posting.php?mode=edit&amp;f=9&amp;t=9248&amp;p=140673
19:59	asie	err
20:00	asie	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9248&amp;p=140673
20:00	Megaf	Jordach: just take a look in Ubuntu Studio
20:00	Jordach	pfft
20:00	Megaf	I'm a Designer and Engineer and I like it
20:00	Jordach	it has outdated shit
20:00	Jordach	old blender
20:00	Jordach	old lmms
20:00	Jordach	everything is outdayed
20:00	Megaf	can't you update it?
20:00	EvergreenTree	Don't use ubuntu studio
20:00	EvergreenTree	just install them yourself
20:00	EvergreenTree	:P
20:01	EvergreenTree	there is no point in getting a distro just for applications that come with it
20:02	Calinou	<Megaf> Jordach: just take a look in Ubuntu Studio
20:03	Calinou	the problem is that it's a “specific distribution” with all the problems that come with it: small userbase, little testing
20:03	Megaf	well, I used Debian
20:03	Calinou	it's a better idea – if you know how to do it and you probably do – to install a general-purpose OS
20:03	VanessaE	oh derp, I forgot to add something to the locking images that suggests that they actually *lock*...
20:03	Calinou	your lock looks nice
20:03	Calinou	the active one can be animated, but the default texture isn't
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20:04	zsoltisawesome	HOLY CAVE!
20:04	zsoltisawesome	seed: &99 coords: 50 -25 -220 generator: v7
20:04	VanessaE	what's the correct filename for the animated, active one?
20:05	zsoltisawesome	FOOD!
20:05	Calinou	I have four OptiPNGs running at once :D
20:05	Calinou	VanessaE, the same name
20:05	Calinou	(just like in the default game)
20:05	asie	I use pngout
20:05	Calinou	anim length is 1.25s
20:05	asie	because despite the program being closed, its output is not
20:06	Calinou	OptiPNG is pretty efficient at doing it
20:06	Calinou	it works on Windows too, I've used it there
20:06	VanessaE	oh ok
20:06	asie	all mesegates textures are optimized
20:06	asie	that's how it fits in about 7KB for the whole mod
20:06	Calinou	optipng -o6 -zm1-9 -strip all
20:06	Calinou	is very good (but lenghty)
20:06	asie	for i in *.png; do pngout -y $i $I; done
20:06	Calinou	removing -zm1-9 is less lengthy, but not the best one
20:06	asie	err, $i $i
20:06	Calinou	you can use *.png as input
20:06	Calinou	all files in a directory are processed
20:06	Calinou	with OptiPNG
20:07	Calinou	much easier /P
20:07	Calinou	:P*
20:07	asie	oh wow
20:07	asie	optipng is actually smaller
20:07	asie	nice
20:07	Calinou	and it's free software ;)
20:07	PenguinDad	advpng is nice too
20:08	zsoltisawesome	pngcrush?
20:09	Jordach	s/CURLed/cURLed/
20:09	* PenguinDad	gives everyone good-night-everyone.png
20:15	asie	okay guys
20:15	asie	putting up a test mesegates server
20:15	EvergreenTree	ip?
20:15	asie	one sec
20:15	Megaf	mesegates?
20:16	EvergreenTree	a mod he is working on
20:16	asie	Megaf: my logic gates mod
20:16	Megaf	asie: github? forum topic? wensite?
20:16	Megaf	s/wen/web
20:16	asie	Megaf: http://blog.asie.pl/ is all you need
20:16	asie	also forum topic is in the modding general
20:16	asie	asie.pl : 30000
20:17	asie	one last reboot, though
20:17	asie	a few minor tweaks
20:17	Calinou	http://asie.pl/ → is pretty empty :P
20:17	Megaf	3 inputs asie, well done
20:18	asie	Megaf: or 2 inputs
20:18	asie	it's tweakable
20:18	EvergreenTree	waiting for media
20:18	zsoltisawesome	me too
20:18	asie	EvergreenTree: i rebooted it
20:18	asie	zsoltisawesome: i rebooted it
20:18	asie	reconnect.
20:18	Megaf	OR and NOT gates, cool
20:18	asie	Megaf: and more!
20:18	Megaf	asie: what about flips flops?
20:19	asie	Megaf: soon.
20:19	EvergreenTree	there are so many different kinds of gates
20:19	Megaf	well, at least now we have enough gates to make a flipflop
20:19	zsoltisawesome	Media
20:19	EvergreenTree	right
20:19	zsoltisawesome	shoot
20:19	zsoltisawesome	this is taking forever, gonna grab a burrito
20:19	Megaf	asie: some player on my server will be like crazy when I add this mod
20:19	asie	yes
20:19	Megaf	and I'm one of them
20:19	asie	it's lightweight, well-coded and only needs recipes
20:20	zsoltisawesome	#suchlag
20:20	Megaf	asie: recipes could be based on silicon and mesecons
20:20	Megaf	mese fragments I mean
20:20	asie	zsoltisawesome: something is wrong
20:20	zsoltisawesome	what?
20:20	asie	i'm rebooting it
20:20	harrison	only by repetition, repetion and more repetition can the 01,09memehopper achieve victory!
20:20	asie	the server stopped responding and i don't know why
20:20	zsoltisawesome	ok
20:21	zsoltisawesome	i am joining
20:21	asie	loading
20:21	zsoltisawesome	probably thats why
20:21	* Tiktalik	waves at asie
20:21	* asie	waves at Tiktalik
20:21	zsoltisawesome	fucking minetest
20:21	Megaf	asie: we need a faster more efficient kind of wiring too
20:21	zsoltisawesome	access vilolations
20:21	asie	Megaf: nore is working on it
20:21	asie	or was
20:22	nore	asie, about what?
20:22	asie	nore: better wires
20:22	zsoltisawesome	this time, don't stop the server
20:22	nore	ah, I just made a slight update to fix a bug
20:22	nore	the drawback is that those wires register a lot of nodes (~320 IIRC)
20:23	Megaf	nore: github link?
20:23	asie	nore: my gates register 8 nodes per gate
20:23	nore	https://github.com/Novatux/wires
20:23	asie	and some, like the repeater, will register around 24
20:23	nore	no, I mean, 320*2
20:23	Megaf	asie: is that bad?
20:24	asie	something started lagging like crazy again
20:24	asie	and the server is not giving any output again
20:24	asie	what is it? i know it's not related to my mod
20:24	asie	oh there we go
20:24	asie	it works now
20:24	nore	total: 800 nodes for all wires
20:24	EvergreenTree	what was it?
20:24	Amaz_	That seems to be me. It always seems to happen when I join.
20:24	asie	Amaz_: keep joining
20:24	asie	you will eventually
20:25	Amaz_	Trying again...
20:31	asie	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9247
20:31	asie	is that texture ripped off?
20:32	Calinou	yes it is
20:33	asie	what are with those lagspikes?
20:34	asie	the server just randomly stops responding for 15 seconds
20:34	asie	what is with*
20:34	MegAFK	asie: saving map to disk?
20:34	asie	MegAFK: Using LevelDB; would redis be better?
20:35	Calinou	redis is faster but requires (complex) setup
20:35	asie	i used redis
20:35	VanessaE	Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512/commit/f7e1999abb0f5672b981090064294e4be8a80e57
20:35	VanessaE	better?
20:35	Calinou	haha, nice
20:35	MegAFK	asie: just set save map interaval to a higher value
20:36	MegAFK	and set sqlite syncronous to 1
20:36	MegAFK	if its just a test server
20:36	Calinou	not sure if higher value really speeds up stuff, since you have more stuff to save
20:36	asie	server_map_save_interval = 5.3
20:36	asie	MegAFK: I use LevelDB
20:36	VanessaE	(the 16px size still lacks a visible lock, because I didn't figure it would really be particularly obvious at that size, so no point)
20:36	MegAFK	Calinou: 60 is a good value
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20:37	MegAFK	17:36 < Calinou> not sure if higher value really speeds up stuff, since you have more stuff to save
20:37	MegAFK	THinking about that I tested saving data each second
20:37	asie	oh wait
20:37	MegAFK	and every five seconds too
20:37	asie	i'm /not/ using leveldb
20:37	MegAFK	painfuly slow
20:37	asie	why am i not using leveldb
20:38	asie	how to force minetest to use leveldb?
20:38	MegAFK	asie: migrate
20:39	asie	MegAFK: migrate?
20:39	asie	i don't need my current map
20:39	asie	i just want to make a new one using leveldb as its backend
20:39	asie	ooooh
20:39	asie	i see
20:39	MegAFK	asie: then, remove map.sqlite and in world.mt set it to use leveldb
20:39	asie	sorry, nvm, nvm
20:39	MegAFK	bye
20:40	asie	okay, it works now
20:41	Calinou	MegAFK, then beg in #minetest-dev about making 60 seconds (or more) the default :P
20:42	zsoltisawesome	omfg: http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/30/sony-185tb-data-tape/?ncid=rss_truncated&amp;cps=gravity
20:42	asie	using leveldb and disabling rollbacks helped a lt
20:42	zsoltisawesome	asie, is the server up?
20:42	asie	yes
20:43	zsoltisawesome	connecting... again...
20:47	zsoltisawesome	connected
20:54	* Calinou	throws the hover in the Images directory
20:54	Calinou	really...
20:54	Calinou	spent more than an hour trying to make the hovers able to go up and down
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20:56	zsoltisawesome	Calinou: hovers?
20:57	Calinou	like boats, but would float
20:57	Calinou	;)
20:58	Calinou	I can make them “float” on ground around and fall, float in the air without falling: but in both cases I can't make them go up or down like I want
21:01	zsoltisawesome	ah
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21:10	Mimilus	plop
21:11	zsoltisawesome	plip
21:11	Mimilus	Is it possible to play an animated png just one time after a click on a node ?
21:12	Mimilus	Is it possible to have automatic ejection of particles for a specific node ?
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21:14	Calinou	third person distance increased locally, looks better
21:15	Calinou	:)
21:15	Calinou	from 2 to 3 nodes (camera.cpp)
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21:16	asie	Mimilus: I believe you could just make it stop animate after a specified amount of time with minetest.after
21:16	asie	And for the latter, I don't think so but I'm not an API expert
21:16	Mimilus	asie, thx i'll take a look
21:18	WindHero	anyone else find this a bit vague? http://dev.minetest.net/Mapgen_Parameters#minetest.set_mapgen_params.28.29
21:18	Mimilus	asie, http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.after is this the good wiki version ?
21:19	asie	maybe
21:19	asie	i tend to use http://tinyurl.com/mt-lua-api and Ctrl+F
21:20	Mimilus	ôÔ
21:21	asie	ó.
21:21	Mimilus	asie, thx for the info
21:22	* Mimilus	bookmarking
21:24	zsoltisawesome	}
21:25	zsoltisawesome	ô
21:25	zsoltisawesome	öò
21:25	zsoltisawesome	lol
21:28	WindHero	all these special characters that European keyboards get....
21:28	WindHero	but still, I can use ʗɦɑɽɱɒṕ
21:28	zsoltisawesome	§
21:28	zsoltisawesome	P
21:28	zsoltisawesome	:P
21:29	WindHero	אַ
21:29	WindHero	:P
21:29	zsoltisawesome	╦
21:29	WindHero	don't get too far....
21:29	zsoltisawesome	♪
21:30	zsoltisawesome	♪
21:30	zsoltisawesome	☺☻♥
21:30	WindHero	well, got it to finally force singlenode for my game
21:30	zsoltisawesome	fun
21:30	WindHero	minetest.register_on_mapgen_init(minetest.set_mapgen_params(mgparams))
21:30	zsoltisawesome	â—„â–º
21:31	zsoltisawesome	↕
21:31	Amaz_	Simple mobs and 3d_armor aren't working together any more... They were working fine until recently... But now, I am imortal against mobs when wearing any armor at all, even a wood chestplate...
21:31	WindHero	@Amaz_, really?
21:31	WindHero	john, please stop
21:32	Amaz_	It seems so. I'm useing a fairly recent dev build. I'll update and see what happens.
21:32	WindHero	which was the one you updated most recently?
21:34	Amaz_	I'm using a fairly old version of simple mobs (The last one in PlizAdam's repo) and a month or two old version of 3d_armor... And I tested the latest of both, and it still happens.
21:35	WindHero	what does the lua window show?
21:35	Amaz_	What do you mean?
21:35	WindHero	when mobs try attacking you, what does the black window say?
21:36	zsoltisawesome	lol "BTC 1NfBXWqseXc9rCBc3Cbbu6HjxYssFUgkH6
21:36	WindHero	it's usually something like "LuaEntitySAO hits singleplayer for 0 HP"
21:36	zsoltisawesome	We did not invent the algorithm. The algorithm consistently finds Jesus. The algorithm killed Jeeves.
21:36	zsoltisawesome	The algorithm is banned in China. The algorithm is from Jersey. The algorithm constantly finds Jesus.
21:36	zsoltisawesome	This is not the algorithm. This is close."
21:36	Amaz_	Just let me check. I don't normaly start from the terminal.
21:37	zsoltisawesome	can anyone host a Moontest server for a sec?
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21:37	Amaz_	22:37:19: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player singleplayer punched by LuaEntitySAO at (31.1,8.51,27.1), damage 0 HP
21:38	WindHero	I'll think about it
21:38	WindHero	gtg
21:38	Amaz_	If I'm not wearing armor it's fine, and if I use minetest 0.4.9 stable it's also fine
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21:39	asie	so i found a few bugs
21:39	asie	firstly, detector tubes don't seem to work for me
21:39	asie	secondly, wires being pushed by pistons cause a lot of weird edge cases
21:40	harrison	As John Hussman of Hussman Funds comments, “Believing that historical tendencies have evolved into a new paradigm will likely have the same results as playing leapfrog with a unicorn.”
21:43	zsoltisawesome	http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/22/lytro-illum/?ncid=rss_truncated&amp;cps=gravity
21:44	zsoltisawesome	somebody host a moontest server for a sec?
21:45	zsoltisawesome	silence................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
21:45	zsoltisawesome	^many dots
21:45	harrison	somebody else is on the moon
21:46	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, I guess I could
21:46	zsoltisawesome	cool!
21:46	zsoltisawesome	wow
21:46	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, which git repo/branch?
21:46	zsoltisawesome	master, mine
21:47	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, which would be ManofMinetest24?
21:47	zsoltisawesome	yus
21:47	lordcirth	cloning
21:48	zsoltisawesome	fun
21:48	zsoltisawesome	lol
21:48	zsoltisawesome	my plugin works!
21:48	zsoltisawesome	RedDoge has left (Quit: Page closed)
21:49	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, any particular seed?
21:49	zsoltisawesome	&99
21:49	zsoltisawesome	^that
21:50	zsoltisawesome	oops
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21:50	lordcirth	odd.  What mapgen?
21:50	zsoltisawesome	lol
21:50	zsoltisawesome	v7
21:51	zsoltisawesome	in theory it should force v7, but it might not
21:51	Amaz_	It (for me) always does.
21:52	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, running, 75.119.249.81 , port 30000
21:52	lordcirth	gtg tho
21:52	zsoltisawesome	ok
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22:03	kaeza	evenings
22:03	WindHero	good evening
22:03	WindHero	(although it's noon here xD)
22:07	WindHero	well, it's one thing to use noise to generate a ton of islands
22:07	WindHero	and it's another to generate a single island at a specific place without noise
22:12	WindHero	I'm working on creating a Minetest game with nothing but floating islands, so I need to ensure an island appears at the origin so as not to leave people fall to their doom
22:16	WindHero	:P
22:16	WindHero	seems legit
22:19	WindHero	lol
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22:35	WindHero	the moment you inadvertently create an hourglass of stone with the voxel manipulator
22:37	lordcirth	Wow, everybody is on my server now...
22:37	WindHero	how many people?
22:46	lordcirth	WindHero, I accidentally made it "public" forgetting that meant lobby.  so like 50, who had no idea what to do
22:46	lordcirth	Supposed to be a dev server
22:48	lordcirth	So many bones xd
23:09	WindHero	xD
23:09	WindHero	that can be problematic
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23:18	zsoltisawesome	lol
23:20	WindHero	well, so far so good with a spawn-island gen
23:20	lordcirth	Yeah, I just deleted and remade with same seed, since I can do that now
23:20	WindHero	cool, about the easiest barring WorldEdit
23:20	WindHero	(replace command)
23:21	lordcirth	yeah, that would work too.  But people had done lots of random stuff, like wood houses, etc
23:21	lordcirth	and torches! :P
23:22	WindHero	oh, this had been that way overnight or something
23:22	WindHero	then yeah, total reset :P
23:36	WindHero	Now I have the most basic of starting islands....
23:37	WindHero	a semi-bowl filled with water 10 below origin
23:37	WindHero	gotta make this bigger....
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23:45	zsoltisawesome	WindHero: I wish you luck
23:45	WindHero	thank you!
23:45	WindHero	so far, my get-up for the game is a singlenode map gen,
23:45	WindHero	players are given a helicopter and 99 torches by default
23:46	zsoltisawesome	so, is singlenode like turning off mapgen?
23:46	WindHero	yeah
23:46	zsoltisawesome	lol
23:46	WindHero	only the rare nyancat block appears
23:46	zsoltisawesome	haha
23:46	zsoltisawesome	just remove that code, and you have yourself a bunch of void!
23:46	zsoltisawesome	XD
23:47	WindHero	:P
23:47	WindHero	yup
23:47	zsoltisawesome	fun
23:47	zsoltisawesome	so, how does one make custom generators
23:47	zsoltisawesome	i need some for moontest
23:47	WindHero	not really sure if you can create a base engine mapgen
23:48	WindHero	but you can make one through lua mods and just use singlenode
23:48	WindHero	mainly, use voxelmanip
23:49	WindHero	take a look at skylands or (even better), one of paramat's mapgens such as watershed
23:49	WindHero	experimentalmg is another to look at
23:49	zsoltisawesome	i need like pregenerated sturutures
23:50	zsoltisawesome	moontest is based from paramat's moonrealm mapgen
23:51	WindHero	if you're looking for something like that
23:51	WindHero	definitely look at https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=7263
23:52	WindHero	it actually generates villages randomly
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23:57	zsoltisawesome	thats cool
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23:57	zsoltisawesome	sounds like i could use that
23:58	WindHero	:)
23:58	lordseanington	VanessaE, can you giveme interact on your mostly vanilla minetest server under this name
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